* Posts by nauved

6 posts • joined 23 Apr 2017

Devuan ships second stable cut of its systemd-free Linux


Re: A BIG favor please, El Reg...

Thanks for the donation. :D

Something to think about regarding this statement:

"I predict MX-17.1 will be a first-place contender before much longer...and systemd-free, by the way."

Please read this page https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd. MX Linux ships with systemd disabled just as it would be done in Debian. I have had discussions with some folks involved with MX Linux and understand from that that the hard systemd dependencies appearing in an ever-increasing number of packages are not removed. So if you want to run one of those applications, you would have to switch to systemd to use it. There will likely come a time when so many packages will require a systemd hook that it won't be worth switching back and forth. This tipping point is the fallacy of init freedom that Debian has in place. It is a Trojan horse leading the way to a systemd OS.


Re: systemd-free?

Devuan's priority has been to remove the hard systemd dependencies not every file that has "systemd" in its name but does nothing. An explanation about the libsystemd0 can be found here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925

Now that we're caught up with the Debian release cycle, removing libsystemd0 is on our to-do list. We will find a way to remove that cosmetic annoyance without having to repackage each instance where it is present.

Systemd-free Devuan Linux looses version 2.0 release candidate


Re: I don't understand...

Systemd is about more than init and those three short lines that you boast about. How can anyone not understand that after all these years. systemd has invaded user space with dependencies that tie user-space applications to systemd. It is in effect becoming a monolithic systemd OS where systemd will be required to run your favorite apps. This is not freedom.

Devuan is removing those "hooks" and restoring freedom to the Debian ecosystem.

Devuan supplies the complete Debian repositories except for the blacklisted packages and those that have been forked. IOW it is almost entirely Debian so should contain any apps that you are currently using. If those apps have been contaminated with systemd, feel free to come over, clean up the package and maintain it in the future.

Linus Torvalds may have damned systemd with faint praise


Re: foreshadowing?

Those of us who were paying attention read that but could see the handwriting on the wall long before it was written. ;) Been working on Devuan since the fork was announced after the GR vote debacle. This link - Combatting revisionist history - explains how the vote went down in detail:


systemd-free Devuan Linux hits version 1.0.0


Re: geez, the ignorance about systemd here is astounding

We knew this day was coming.

Want to know where systemd is headed? Take a look at this:


That graph is linked from:


If the 'wontfix' bugs were included, the numbers would be even worse. systemd is sinking under its own weight. May it disappear to the bottom of the ocean of software failures where it belongs!!


Re: Logo

No, it's not a swoosh. It's a segment of an orbit. Very appropriate since Devuan releases are named after Minor Planets in our solar system (and one of the lead developers is an astronomer)

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