Re: There's a stupid, fat, paranoid, evil dictator at work here.
Kim Jong Un as Cartman from South Park - RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!
At least he's not launching rockets over Japan, or blowing up mountains.
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Kim Jong Un as Cartman from South Park - RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!
At least he's not launching rockets over Japan, or blowing up mountains.
I believe it was Willie Sutton who was reported to have said something like what's in the title, in response to "why do you rob banks". [some research suggests that the news reporter might have imbellished a bit]
from the article: "Why the use of such sophisticated and intricate operations just to attack banks?"
"Well, thats going to help a lot."
Ack on the snark. (you WERE being facetious, right?)
The laws of 'unintended consequences' are the usual result from the "legislate yet another law" crowd, who claim good intentions. But coming from Jerry Brown and the Sacramento legislature [one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet, where paid lobbyists mull about on the legislature floor waiting to be 'consulted' on EVERY!THING! before it's voted on] I can expect an 'ulterior motive'.
Cali-fornicate-you gummint can only affect California corporations and residents. And they can NOT stop competing products coming in 'at the border'. So you'll probably see a couple of things:
a) a drop in the quantity of things being built within the California borders;
b) an increase in prices to the consumer;
c) overly-complicated setup processes if "just firmware" is involved in this regulation;
d) all of the above
Some of this was alluded to in the article, but I'll just say it straight out: the more governmentium and petty regulation, the LESS PRIVATE SECTOR ACTIVITY you will see. Because it costs the legislature NOTHING to "pass yet another law". It only costs those who are AFFECTED by it. That would be everybody else who is NOT THEM.
(My state needs an enema, starting with that crap-hole called "Sacramento")
I'd also like to point out, for the record, that all of the cheap IoT junk being sold on E-bay and Alibaba won't be affected by this. And I wouldn't be surprised if THAT stuff is MOST of the problem...
If you 'stick with government on this one' with respect to encryption, you're missing the point. If the weakening of the encryption took the form of a 'back door', it would be more obvious.
Although the legislation itself seems to CLAIM that it does not involve 'back doors', it DOES seem to involve circumvention of encryption for law enforcement, etc.. so how are they going to accomplish this?
I suspect it will be some 'weakening' of encryption, such as 'man in the middle' SSL certs or disclosure of server private keys, so that traffic can be easily decrypted.
In any case, take a look at what's happening over here in the USA, involving certain 'rogue' factions wtihin the government and their uber-LOUD 'howler monkey' protesters/activists help to drive it in the public eye. Even when 'innocent until proven guilty' is CLEARLY written directly into the Constitution, you have "trial by emotion", in the public eye, where you're PRESUMED GUILTY until PROVEN innocent, based on 'political correctness' of the day, assisted by a willing press corps. Couple that with FBI interviews and "special investigations" that consist of 'perjury traps' for political enemies, in which you're JAILED for LYING [or potentially impeached, *cough* *cough*] because of the trap [and in many cases, some have spent YEARS in jail until the appellate court figures out they were SET UP and ACQUITS them, damage and 'mission of the moment' accomplished anyway].
A 'bad' example of a perjury trap:
Cops: do you sometimes pleasure yourself to on-line porn?
You: No way!
Cops: is that your statement under oath?
You: Of course it is! How dare you insinuate [etc.]
Cops: Well look what we have here, it's your BROWSER HISTORY and images taken through your web cam, which we compromised using a special added script we injected into the web pages... oh, my, you're such a NAUGHTY BOY! And what were you looking at? WEll I'd say 5 to 10 YEARS for LYING TO INVESTIGATORS!!!
And these dirty, politically-motivated 'investigations' are a way of COERCING "testimony" from political adversaries in order to take out OTHER adversaries, a filthy, sneaky, "tin horn dictatorship" way of operating. Might as well wear BROWN SHIRTS with red,white, and black armbands...
I don't think Australia is immune to this kind of corruption. The USA obviously isn't. And giving gummint MORE power to go on a "fishing expedition" into YOUR life, or anyone else's for THAT matter, is a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, BAD idea. History CLEARLY shows what happens when there's "too much spying going on out there" by gummints on their own citizens. "Does not end well" is an UNDERstatement.
Ok, ok... lemme get this straight.
If the host system is 'taken over' or has malware mucking with it, this "shielded VM" thing is supposed to stop it from mucking with the VM's too, right? And previous incarnations from the earlier server release only did this for VM's running some version of windows, right?
And this "new, shiny" _also_ includes Linux. Wheee.
I say, why not host everything on a NON-micro-shaft OS instead? You know, like *REAL* Linux!
I'm certainly not against running windows in a VM hosted on Linux or FreeBSD when customers want a VM that runs windows. Just don't have a windows host when you do it. Many reasons exist, INCLUDING the need for "Shielded VMs" in the FIRST place! (think bandade on a compound fracture, bubble gum patching the radiator, finger in a dike, bailing wire and duck tape...) That being said, 'windows VM host' = security crater out of the box as far as I'm concerned. Recent vulnerabilities and zero-days are good supporting proof of that.
Seriously, WHAT advantages are there to running cloudy VMs on a Windows host, vs something LIKE CentOS or FreeBSD?
As for "Microsoft Linux" - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, *EX-TER-MIN-ATE*!!!
"I only boot into Windows about once a week as it is."
looks like it's time to move your windows schtuff into a VM, hosted on Linux. Yeah, system backups will be easier (in virtualbox, "export appliance" - so simple!)
hopefully the AI API has both GPU and non-GPU versions of the core functionality with a simple way to pick the right one based on your hardware. Otherwise why use Python? The kind of thinking that drives users to a specific hardware platform is WORSE than something that uses ".Not" or C-Pound (or requires you to log in as 'administrator').
"explain why their super-duper AI doesn’t want to give mortgages or jobs or whatever to" [insert special interest group here]
well, if race/sex/whatever wasn't an input parameter to your algorithm, the answer to this should be obvious. The moment your algorithm includes something that *could* be a matter of discriminatory practice, an improperly trained AI *could* make use of it in a discriminatory manner.
Besides, wouldn't having a "simplistic" library, something that n00bs and kids can easily make use of, help people to understand the basics of AI and thereby avoid the FUD-trap?
[I can't believe how my original positive non-snarky post about this got 8 downvotes - probably ALL from my 'fan club' - which means its personal and unrelated to content. howler monkeys. go fig. the up/downs are meaningless - well i wear the 'downs' as a badge of honor, heh!]
Icon, because "think of the children" which is why I also mentioned RPi - when kids get this kind of AI API working with an RPi (in Python) along with whatever science project they're interested in, things could get really interesting.
An open source AI lib (etc.) for Python. This DEFINITELY has some potential!
Additionally I'd like to see some API stuff for quantum computing included with it (if it hasn't been done already). All open source, of course!
/me sees possibility of AI stuff running on RPi
"that it searched the whole bloody file-system"
I became 'slurp-aware' when pre-installed Adobe reader on a reconditioned windows 7 machine asked me for an e-mail address to register with their online services, EVERY! STINKING! TIME! I tried to use it.
The possibility that they're ALSO scanning your network is VERY, VERY, DISTURBING...
[what we need is actual confirmation of their data slurp so that no doubts will remain]
there are at least 2 alternatives I'm aware of [atril and evince] and they run on Linux and FreeBSD [although evince may have mono dependencies now, DAMMIT - I use an older version of evince on windows machines, however, and so maybe it's there but I didn't notice]
in any case, PDF is well supported in the open source world. We don't need Adobe's "special sauce" nor their attempts at *SLURP* [why ask me to LOG IN using my E-MAIL ADDRESS just to view a PDF file????]
So yeah, toss Adobe's reader in to the trash and get something that actually WORKS! Atril is my current favorite. That may change if they do something stupid (like include mono dependencies).
" Launched from a remote location, most of the pulse-bombs detonated at altitude, with careful pauses for different layers of the atmosphere, you could get a massive Orion into orbit with negligible environmental impact."
I dunno, having worked in the nuclear industry I have this nagging desire to keep the fission products out of the atmosphere... [they really ARE pretty nasty]. It's why we don't use A-bombs nowadays for any kind of major excavation project.
Sure, it'd be "convenient" to blast open a canal with 10K-ton atomic bombs, but I think I'd rather put a few industrial diggers in there instead, and do it the "somewhat old" fashioned way.
And there's no reason why Orion-style nuclear propulsion can't be done out in space. Just not inside of Earth's atmosphere. It's basically why we need efficient launch systems, to get that stuff into orbit where it can be assembled safely and operated without impacting anyone on Earth.
If electric cars were powered by fusion reactors, and not fission, nor coal, nor oil/gas [as they mostly are now], then the anti-freedom crowd [in the name of the environment] would find some OTHER reason to whine about it and convince gummints to curb our freedom [but not theirs, of course].
Seriously. You know I'm right.
But I'd love to see fusion reactors making electricity. It would make electricity COST LESS.
Austin Texas a 'nuclear free zone'... [facepalm, see icon]
Isn't the ENTIRE PLANET heated by a nuclear fusion reactor? You can't BE "nuclear free". It is the way of the universe.
/me points out that I got MORE radiation standing on the surface of the earth than I did while living inside of a submarine while underway on nuclear power...
@Yet Another Anonymous coward
Ah, a stellarator. It is interesting because it solves one of the biggest problems with plasma instability in a tokomak. But tokomak lets you "research" indefinitely...
Good luck getting "research" scientists and the bureaucracy that funds them to actually USE a stellarator... it might actually produce stable power, and we can't have THAT, now can we?
"if you can build a fusion reactor in space, you probably have the capability to build small ones for powering cargo ships"
ACK, and a virtually unlimited supply of potential fuel - aka "the ocean".
It'd be _perfect_. And every Navy on the planet would want YOUR design for their warships.
yeah without the urgency of winning a war [i.e. Manhattan Project to get fission to work] fusion power is likely to be "researched" until the cows come home [with no results, "always more research"].
Of course, being "the guy" to make it work for realz is a true motivator for SOME scientists. Good luck getting that past the upper management bureaucracy that is perpetually funded by "research" grants.
In any case I worked the maths out on this quite some time ago.
In order to get propulsion to be efficient, you have to accelerate a large mass by a small amount, but if that amount is too small, the engine isn't efficient.
There's a point at which the amount of fuel you need, accelerated by the engines you can build, will be minimized for maximum acceleration for whatever mission you're running. I'm pretty sure NASA's "rocket surgeons" run these numbers a LOT.
Now, the best fusion reactor design wouldn't (primarily) produce electricity. Fuel to produce elecricity along with thermal losses would be essentially _wasted_ unless you're accelerating fusion products, but they're too lightweight to be effective fuel.
To make up for that a hydrogenous material [like water or methane] would be used. You'd have to separate out the hydrogen fusion fuel from that, but no big deal. Then the engines get to use that fuel to product propulsion with the bulk of the hydrogenous material. And "some electricity" can be produced along the way. So yeah you'd have to run the engines occasionally to recharge the batteries [or use fuel cells, or both].
In any case, using current tech [that does not involve warp fields and wormholes] you'd need to produce a reaction engine (one that produces a given amount of energy from the fusion of hydrogen into helium, then transfers that as kinetic energy of the propellant), such that the energy produced becomes velocity of the propellant, and gives you an impulse for acceleration. All of that coupled against the total weight on takeoff [with 100% fuel load] etc. etc. etc. even if that 'take off' is in earth or lunar orbit.
Anyway, thought I'd mention it. Sorry about bursting any bubbles. The equations really aren't that hard.
post-edit - looks like my fan club is already thumbing be down. thank you!!!
the 4th 'E'
I can do a _really_ convincing impersonation of the Lost in Space robot.... *evil grin*
(BBC America has been playing a Dr. Who marathon - heh)
Actually this meme might be better served by quoting a cyberman, but they don't repeatedly say anything beginning with the letter 'E', not that I can remember anyway...
[ok who uploaded that 'cyberman' virus to all of the windows robots - as an "upgrade"]
that's because it's propping up the welfare state and the state employee union's demands.
and continuously they BEG for more, DEMAND more, and it's always "for the children". Or in the case of what proposition 6 is trying to stop, increasing registration fees and gasoline taxes to "pay for the roads" so they can divert the funds into buying more votes later on, and then BEG FOR EVEN MORE, "oh it wasn't enough" [when they'd have PLENTY of money if they stopped giving illegal aliens and the state employee unions 'free everying'].
I know someone who works for the state of Cali-Fornicate-You in a management position. I've been told that it's ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to fire someone who's totally incompetent, insubordinate, shows up late all of the time, goofs off at work, etc. etc. etc. and way too many people will strive for that 'cushy gummint job' to get the retirement benefits, barely working etc. so they have to HIRE EVEN MORE PEOPLE to compensate for inefficiency amongst the ranks. Yeah THERE's your problem...
That, and benefits for non-citizens [particularly for the ILLEGAL variety]. Clean that up and they can balance the budget and start CUTTING TAXES.
"think of the children" - for REAL this time!
"Companies will be able to regulate and set policies"
proof, please, or else this is just FUD.
"pretending to defend the Constitution while they are actually breaking it fully"
/me facepalms at the ignorance and FUD. see icon.
Jerry Brown and his "successor" are a major problem in this state. Do you think that this is ACCIDENTAL, 2 months before an election that will attempt to replace "2nd Time Around" Brown with someone even WORSE??? (yeah I'm voting for Cox)
Brown and his cronies in Sack-of-who-knows [Sacramento] have been forcing socialism onto Cali-Fornicate-You for a LONG time, with little or no opposition. They have funding from Silly Valley zillionaires and George Soros. Surely you recognize that THESE people aren't working in YOUR best interest, right?
If you want to talk about 'corporations' running things, I suggest starting with the Demo[n,c][R,r}at "machine" that's already in place. It's all there, and extremely obvious if you look at it.
Jerry Brown has gone against the feds on MANY things since Trump was elected. I'm glad the feds are calling him on it. For the liberals would say "Federal law supercedes state law" for those things that are convenient, such as Obaka-"care", but when it comes to controlling 'teh intarwebs' and potentially taxing the HELL out of it [as mentioned earlier], they claim 'states rights'.
Hypocrisy takes many forms. And I'm voting for COX to try and put a STOP to this insanity!
How about a ginormous ball of sticky ballistics gel equivalent going in polar orbit. that way the orbit won't decay so quickly. kinetic energy remains the same after colliding, and "live" satellites can be steered out of its path. Anything NOT live gets to be part of the thing. launch it at an altitude that collides with most of the space junk.
it's as good as any other idea, and doesn't require propulsion, just enough time to stick to everything [like using tape on a suit to get the cat hair off]
Yes, thanks Richard!
Now (different Richard), can you do the same thing with Windows 2000 ? so we can FORK it? And update it to 64-bit? And have something that is *NOT* 2D FLATSO slurp-o-matic Win-10-nic ??? Maybe just as sample code for the ReactOS developers to work with???
"Not surprising developers just sit there watching the framework merry-go-round go round."
queue background music.... "You spin me right round, baby, right round, like a record player, right round, round, round..."
[WHAT? 23 spins? THAT was just because of the apoplectic shock! I was STUNNED, I couldn't find the 'off' button fast enough!]
for Win-10-nic. doesn't surprise ME in the least.
From article: "With Redmond now very keen on Progressive Web Apps (PWA) and UWP having singularly failed to set the world alight"
I would think that PWA has the potential to replace UWP with "yet another" 3-letter acronym "new, shiny" in Micro-shaft's eyes. Wishful thinking on their part, again. They obviously need a CLUE-BAT.
'Progressive Web Apps' - yeah, THAT sounds _wonderful_. Wheeeee.
I have a better idea: Promote Win32 _WITHOUT_ ".Not" with a subsystem that runs cross-platform _WITHOUT_ using Mono nor ".Not Core" nor any _OTHER_ "Micro-shaft Uber Alles" slurp infestation library. Admit the world wants cross-platform and deal with it. Make it easy for developers, particularly if they want to static-link in lieu of DLL hell.
Yeah, like it'd be 2003 again! [before the '.Not' monster emerged from the bowels of Redmond, in which "this" kind of crap originally started and Micro-shaft jumped the shark]
strangely I found out about this ransomware from a UK news source (El Reg), but I live in San Diego. Go fig.
And I think the 'Super Cali' titles are entertaining.
As for the new layout (since it was mentioned by the previous poster), please make it work better with 'noscript' running. Try and you'll see what I mean.
Who knows maybe it's a consulting gig waiting for someone like me to help them clean it up...
(what, win-10-nic? Office 365? Heh, THERE's your problem! - yeah they don't wanna hear THAT, now do they!)
I'd pay them MORE to offer something that's not "2D Flatso". That screenshot of 'pick a theme' DELIBERATELY EXCLUDED things that are 3D Skeuomorphic. as far as I'm concerned
Why must ALL of the browser devs out there *FEEL* [not think] as if EVERYONE has bought into this STUPID [deadpool-worthy profanity stream] 2D FLAT CRAP??? You know, like Australis. And Chrome. And Win-10-nic.
I have NO good things to say about this now... I looked with ANTICIPATION to see if I could find a *GLIMMER* of *HOPE*. It did not exist.
"When you have a man with no shame, but a very fragile ego"
You have Obama and half of the Democrats [the other half are women - heh].
I suspect you'll see this position ('security czar' or whatever) move into a more military/CIA context, rather than 'yet another meaningless bureaucrat'. With 1300 or so things left out of 3000 or so, sounds to me like it wasn't working very well.
Yes. It's my guess that last May Trump decided that JUST having a 'security czar' wasn't working. He's a "results" kind of guy, after all. So buh-bye to the 'not working' bureaucracy. What replaces it might just be so secret it can't be mentioned.
yeah, yeah, the wishful/hopeful/pipe-dream crowd [aka howler monkeys] will all downvote me for stating the obvious, and not using it as yet another opportunity for Trump's enemies to sling poo at him like a bunch of howler monkeys. Yeah, whoopee twiddle. badge of honor!
it suggests that using a captcha should be avoided, since you also have to enable google's stupid 3rd party scripting to make them work...
"how many of these are [fill in the blank]" - waiting for one that uses pornography
Facebook. that's all I need to say.
Well, if the new 'Project' is in any way 'git-based' it might be worth doing. (Just don't force me into it if I want to use git)
I have known a manager or two who swear by 'Microsoft Project', in the past. I don't use it, but they did. I considered writing a simple spreadsheet to do most of what it did, though... [it would require some manual fiddling but would accomplish the same goal].
It's hard to say whether I'm happy about it or 'meh'. I hope it works, a lot of managers seem to like 'MS Project'. Usually I work in a very small team where it makes no sense to go through the effort to use, though.
(on an unrelated note, visiting the link from the article to the blog site announcing 'Project' got me that dreaded "Forbidden nginx" 403 error. because, I'm using noscript, and those web developers responsible for this are [insert deadpool-worthy profane description here].)
I wish they'd just stop pronouncing it "Sequel" [that was an IBM market-speak-ism that totally confused me the first time I heard it, because I couldn't find information on "sequel server" - sequel to what? That was back in the OS/2 days, before Windows 3]
it's worse when that pronunciation propagates into the open source world. It's not "My Sequel" nor "PG Sequel". idiots...
I used regedit on a reconditioned Lenovo box I bought on e-bay a couple of years ago [maybe suspicious?] by looking for the string 'rwdrv'. nothing found. hopefully not a 'false negative'.
I have a better idea than a mandatory hardware button: socketed NVRAM (for BIOS flash) that can be easily replaced with a one-time programmable ROM [one you can install yourself]
I doubt any motherboards made in "certain countries" would have this feature...
(I didn't mean USA but who knows what the NSA is up to)
At least, if you can't re-flash the BIOS without changing it out physically, it would be a LOT harder to get a BIOS virus/trojan/rootkit installed on your computer by airport/customs spies.
"all new emojis"
emojis - something I would like to be UN-invented. Or just turn every one of them into that 'pile of poo' one. Because *THAT* is what they are.
And yeah, it's just like Micro-shaft to make that a "new, shiny" feature, isn't it?
Icon because emojis cause me to facepalm. [it's not an emoji, it's an icon. heh]
actually the classic way of expressing that kind of thing is to just write it out - *FACEPALM*
/me draws an obscene thing with ASCII art - how about THAT for an emoji? No, wait...
"The most requested feature was the return of Aero"
MS interpreted it that way; actually, it was the return of 3D SKEUOMORPHIC as I recall, being one of the LOUD voices in that regard, back during the 'insider' program. There were MANY of us saying that.
Micro-shaft then *INTERPRETED* that as "Aero". Then they abandoned the idea. Typical.
1) pretend to "listen" to customers
2) re-package what they say into MS-friendly market-speak that nobody can truly *disagree* with
3) shelve it
This is how Micro-shaft "listens" to their customers.
"You have to go though 5 nested menus in order to get to the dialer to actually make a phone call"
each with the potential of jamming an ADVERTISEMENT into your face...
^^^ the reason for doing this kind of [insert Deadpool-worthy stream of profanities here]
"ADHD-addled Millennials in their Marketing department get bored with this current one"
etc. (if true) It's "a reason" NOT to give Ritalin to KIDS. [ok it's a pet pieve of mine, thought I'd mention it anyway]
"Microsoft like to change user interfaces in order to piss off users"
Seems like it, huh? I don't think it's outright deliberate. Just negligently clueless and selfishly arrogant.
Well, Micro-shaft CLAIMS that they're continuing 'to work on your most requested features". Yet the article points out that the most requested features are, basically, to RESTORE the capabilities of "skype classic".
But you _KNOW_ Micro-shaft will *NEVAR* do that. Why should they? They're MICRO-SHAFT! If they don't like it, then it was never even mentioned (*cough* *cough*), at least not 'enough' to be 'most requested' [I think their dictionary definition of 'most requested' might need some serious re-editing] and so they fly off into "la la la I'm not listening" mode with their hands firmly planted against their ears as if NOT perceiving it means it doesn't happen...
Micro-shaft started doing this when 'Ape' (windows 8) released. Why is anyone surprised? Ok nobody is, and this is why many of us *SNARK* about it. I miss their customer-centric attitude (ok not entirely but still...) when 7 was released. Now it's "world domination"-centric. Right?
yeah without the cold war urgency of the moon program in the 60's, and with all of the new environmental and political roadblocks in its way, a "modern" space program is lucky to even have a rocket to get into orbit...
Seriously, a private industry solution makes way more sense. Private industry is driven by GETTING THINGS DONE, and not GETTING MORE FUNDING.
considering that Marx and Engels were complete morons, but their B.S. "manifesto" was believed by enough clueless people to get MILLIONS KILLED (and BILLIONS oppressed) because of it, makes the idea for a 'new Marx' sound pretty bad.
How about some reasonable anti-trust laws applied directly to Google instead? You know, don't allow the source of an operating system to strong-arm you into using ONLY its services from end to end...
This was tried with Micro-shaft a while ago, like during the 'browser wars', but for some reason it wore off. maybe it's time to resume the countdown... for a 'duopoly' between MS and Google is as bad as a monopoly when both of them do THE! SAME! DAMN! THING!
- or -
ack on the 'Ignore that site' - and I also 'ignore that site' for anything that uses nginx and returns 'Forbidden' because I'm running 'noscript'.
As far as I can tell, the 'nginx "Forbidden"' problem is due to one or more cloud services front-loading a 301 or 303 re-direct with script in the header, which then fails because you have 'noscript' running. Not only is it *INCREDIBLY LAME* it's *INCREDIBLY IRRITATING*. Web authors that write such [expletive deleted] DESERVE the cat-5-o-nine tails, the cluebat, AND a nice long tongue lashing from an El Reg commenter with a really good vocabulary.
[and because it's always nginx involved, I will *NEVER* use their application, nor recommend it, because as far as I'm concerned, it's "noscript" hostile]
if you have an android device, it's a bit difficult NOT to use chrome [in one form or another].
'corrupt useless ruse' is a distinct possibility. However, let's wait until Trump signs something into law...
also as far as fines go, think of what the FCC will do to a company that tries to sell devices that are 'unintentional radiators' without getting them tested first... MILLION DOLLAR FINES are not uncommon.
That being said, the fines and punishment for spammers, robocallers, and other "irritation crimes" done by businesses [and scammers] can be used as an example of "too weak" enforcement and punishment.
I guess it's time to fire off an e-mail to Senator Diane [pejorative] Feinstein, tell her off about recent events in the news, and THEN suggest she step up to the plate with respect to GDPR and maybe save her own career. [she's a better alternative than 'the other candidate' and I might have to hold my nose, choke down the bile, and vote FOR her aka against the other one]
'Civil Liberties' need to favor the citizens over organizations or corporations (political or otherwise). GDPR-like laws in the USA are likely to help in that regard.
was not completely understood? I bet they had a "no personal device" policy also.
(on a related note, I visited my old sub before it was decommissioned a few years ago. they had a standing "no device" policy in which they told everyone up front, 'leave your phones and devices in your car". I think that was pretty sufficient notification.)
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