* Posts by Probie

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Mark Zuckerberg did everything in his power to avoid Facebook becoming the next MySpace – but forgot one crucial detail…

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No Sir-eee, not Texan, I lived there long enough to work that out.

Sticking with one mobile provider gets you... Oh. Price rises, big exit fees, and lovely, lovely lock-in

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Re: Hmm...

I had the same experience, but I was in store. In the end the manager of the store put in a complaint on my behalf.

What perhaps galled me the most was that I was still taking out a new but reduced contract with 3 at the time. !!!

Privacy, security fears about ID cards? UK.gov's digital bod has one simple solution: 'Get over it'

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Re: "you got his full name and DoB"

umm that is what an address is for. The statistical likely hood that you have the same address, somone with the same name and someone with the same DOB is very very low, unless of course you are a twins and your parents were sadists.

Erase 2017 from your brain. Face ID never happened. The Notch is an illusion

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Re: What's so bad about bezels?

Nothing, they are a god send.

When doing ANYTHING in landscape mode, bezels mean I can hold the phone and not have my subjective app doing all sort of weird, because I am holding the phone.

Regards

James

Big Tech slams Trump on plan to deport kids

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The bi partisan diatribe

You know I have heard this argument in the UK in the USA and likely it will be rehashed in every county under gods yellow ball of fusion.

"People are abusing our charity" - seems to be what it boils down too. Well here's the answer, you (yes you Mr/Mrs/Ms bi-partisan commentator) stand in front of the effected and deliver the god damn message. It takes some conviction to do that, with fear, panic, loathing and downright horror coming out every single facial expression back to you.

If you can do that, at least you have the courage of your own thoughts and convictions (however miss guided they may be). Then look inside your soul and see if you are a better person, have you lived up to your ideals?

Then you have a right to put a life changing view forward, but until then, until you are prepared to step of the cliff of rhetoric to the land of action (AKA wearing the big boy pants), think long an hard, because it is far to easy to do it from the comfort of a arm chair.

Rackspace finds its $4.3bn sugar daddy

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Wonder who will get the boot?

Title says it all really, but becoming private you have to wonder how many of the upper management will last.

I am waiting for the "......wants to focus on family life and ......." coming out in the news.

Cyber-security pro? Forget GCHQ, BT wants to hire 900 of you

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Re: If I had time ...

Did I laugh - "Start around 50-60K". Well that would not be enough to get anyone half way decent with their head screwed on in a business way. Info Sec consultants get what £600 per day? Why oh why would they volunteer for a pay decrease?

Volkswagen blames emissions cheating on 'chain of errors'

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Re: Buy American!

I tried to find a non-diesel car in the class that I have in the UK. A "sensible" petrol engined 4x4. No hope, so if I have to have a diesel then It will be American.

Sorry but VW have really screwed the German Image. They have then systematically compounded error after error with the PR handling. I had the local Audi dealer "after incentives and reductions and good will" (although never hearing about this!!!) still quote me a deposit that was more than the cost of a Ford Kuga in total. Its left a very sour taste. Christ when a Fiat Panda looks a good as a voluntary option you know something has gone drastically sideways.

I really hope that the USA boot them out of the USA car market.

The gear I use in my test lab: A look at three Trident+ switches

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Re: Open Ethernet

From what I remember of the early spins of cumulus the Layer functionality was very good, the layer 2 through tended to drag behind most of the other vendors. that may have changed with what you have now, my experience with cumulus is about 2 years old and a lot can happen in that time.

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Open Ethernet

I do not trust power connect switches any more after some bad experiences with them a while back. For cheap I would look as you have said at supermicro, but you could look at Accton (edge-core) or Quanta switches. But if you want to extend functionality I would take a peak into the open-ethernet community, Mellanox may be a good place to start.

Fujitsu CTO: Analysts might think we're 'crazy', but OpenStack here we come

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Its hard

OpenStack is not easy, not by a long shot, my favourite saying is:

"I can tell you 500 hundred ways NOT to install and configure OpenStack, and maybe 5 on how to successfully install and configure OpenStack" the community documentation seems detailed, but it is woefully inadequate. The AIO distributions will get you up an running very well, but you get no idea how things are plumbed together and they compromise the value of OpenStack and "do it yourself". Canonical "may" be an exception to this but I suspect not.

Its darn'd hard so I think Fujitsu, HP, Mirantis, are all on the right trajectory, but... until it gets "Vmware" piss simple to install and configure AND maintain then the adoption is only for those with deep deep pockets. Then again honestly who actually NEEDS a private cloud opposed to visualization with a level of automation?

Obama calls out encryption in terror strategy speech

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Due process

So my move to bring the "privacy" things that I care about "in house", literally in this case. Where does that leave me.

Of course they are all encrypted as images, they are all using TLS 1.2, do I now need to throw away the encryption keys so that I do not have "reasonable access to them". E.G. make them from random entropy and NOT record the key? Turning the VM's into a little "black box". Would that be enough protection for something that is a) not worth reading or spending the effort on decrypting forcefully and b) only done to stop corporate data profiling/mining, This is just really the family life, I just do not want the corporate world strip mining it.

Its worth remembering that whilst the governments desire to want to strip mine meta data for intelligence has been well reported the capitalist companies were DOING this well before the government. Do I find a government as trustworthy as a corporation - no, but that does not mean i have to trust the corporation either.

Why am I suddenly becoming the marginalised outlaw?

Amazon now renting physical servers you can cuddle and love

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Re: Perhaps the future of the private cloud

Seems to me the "Snake that perpetually eats itself", apart from a billing model what has really changed?

If we put our minds to it we could have had physical servers provisioned in 10-20 minutes in the "old days".

Superfish 2.0 worsens: Dell's dodgy security certificate is an unkillable zombie

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Never trusted a Factory installed image in my lifetime...

Seems I have good reason not to start now ....

BT reveals vanishingly small detail about its fibre broadband network

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Re: Seems to concur with my use

Yes,

A light day in my household incurs about 11GB of traffic, a heavy day (ie Saturday and Sunday) is between 25-33GB.

A month we consume damn near 467GB a month, of which 90% is Netflix or CBBC IPlayer, 8% is Facepunch and the last 2% is likely me doing ISO's or patch files. Its either that or a LOT of porn.

Licence to snoop: Ipso facto, crypto embargo? Draft Investigatory Powers bill lands

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Anger over the wrong thing.

Look at the bill in perspective and then calm down. Yes its your privacy, yes it sucks and yes its open to abuse by the powers that be. But its already been happening for years, the horse bolted, left the stable and has now been rendered into glue.

Get some big pants on and look for a technical work around if it fucks you off that much. You know, GRE+IPSEC, TOR, VPN.... the experts are right, the villans will find a way around and you will paint a bullseye on your back, but you will still get to sleep with the smug privacy smile on your face. Or an here is a novel thought, DO NOT VOTE FOR THE FUCKERS next time around. Start the PRIVACY PARTY for government or some such movement, but whatever you do do not assume someone else will fix the mess for you, that is how we arrived here. At least in the UK you have the right to protest, unlike China (Tiananmen square for those too young to pick up on the reference).

For me I know they have done this shit for ages anyway and have had far easier ways of getting incriminating data (like credit card, bank card, telephone usage or 4K 360 degree CCTV and facial recognition). So if making it public shines a light on it, makes things a bit more proportional AND makes the UK a bit safer for my kids for later on in life then that is a price "I" am happy to pay, you might feel differently, if so then say "thank fuck for a democracy".

Then again this could all degenerate into animal farm.

TalkTalk attack: 'No legal obligation to encrypt customer bank details', says chief

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Insurance may not pay out.

I wonder if the Company Insurance will pay out to Talk Talk? I know (and using the analogies of cars and houses already provided) failure to secure the property by "locking it" and by adding extra security measures is enough for the insurance company to avoid paying out.

Perhaps the best way to enforce good behavior is to have the terms and conditions of Insurance changed, rather than legislate.

BBC shuts off iPlayer to UK VPNs, cutting access to overseas fans

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Re: Copyright Licensing

Yawn .... again the copyright wheel goes around ......

It should be this though, if I am paying for a "digital" service (and I have paid for the license fee whilst flying around the world, my residence and domicile is the UK ) then I should have access to it. Arguably the license fee funds the IPlayer, therefore I should have access to it around the world.

It does not seem rocket science, but what will happen is that the BBC becomes less relevant, ( god knows it is trying really hard to sprint down that slope already) and the likes of Amazon Instance Video and Netflix become the de facto replacement for the BBC.

Smartmobe brain maker Qualcomm teases 64-bit ARM server chip secrets

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Run Windows servers on ARM lately?

Australian Prime Minister runs private email server

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Re: No MX Records?

I believe in the absence of an MX record it delivers to a A (RR) entry. Something like "aussiepmwithashortterm.au"

Dell seeking $40bn to buy EMC next week say reports

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oh brother

Assuming this is true, and that is a big if, Dell have a crap track record with bringing storage companies under the Dell umbrella.

Compellent, Equalogic, who was it they sold to LSI to make DAS's?

I mean the track record sucks, and as for innovation - opposed to "reformulation" they are not much better. "If" they merge with EMC then the IT world will be poorer because of it. Personally though I think this will not happen, Dell has to show good on its return to being private, I am not sure that has happened to justify a risk to the tune of $40 Billion.

By the numbers: The virtualisation options for private cloud hopefuls

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Re: These days.....

I agree, but for me the question is can you save money by cutting license costs vs the cost of skills, time and toolsets?

There are enough tools out there that cater for multiple providers. Hyper-V and KVM or Xen for example. Vmware are naturally enough difficult pains in the arse.

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These days.....

These days, I fail to see why you need to run just one the afore mentioned hypervisors. They are not hard, they are not rocket science.

NOxious Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal: Chief falls on sword

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Re: Not all need to be recalled.

I feel that if I loose performance in the car, VW should refund my purchase, in whole preferably, but at a minimum the close to current used car sale price at a registered dealer forecourt, and the price would be set JUST before the scandal broke. I say this because the car after adaptation would no longer be the same car with the same specifications that I bought.

Revealed: Why Amazon, Netflix, Tinder, Airbnb and co plunged offline

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Bollocks

I will give you the marketing material spaffed every where leads to that assumption, but if you actually read the best practice guides etc... there is mention of Multiple AZ's and then Multiple regions if you want to "stay up no matter what". The reality is people want to see the "cost reduction" of the cloud - at the incessant moaning and bitching of cheap tight fisted tossing finance dicks, yet the truth is that in the cloud multiple regions ain't cheap. It still the same caveat "you get what you pay for".

Things you should know about the hard work of home working

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Re: Agreed but you forgot loneliness.

I worked from home for 3 years 5 days a week, my trips to the office were international flights to either Hong Kong, China or the States. I really do get the whole, removed from your colleagues aspect and also the strict regime you have to hold yourself to. Once you start to slip it is really hard to pull yourself back into a good regime, you have to be very self disciplined, not just in how you work at home, but the fact your home is your home and not an extension of the office, (hours worked, telephone, Internet connectivity etc...) because of what I did for a job I ended up itemizing my power, connectivity and phone and claiming them back, it was nearly £200 per month.

It's also really hard on the family, remember they generally get a break when you are not there. It really did cost us quite a few sanity points or arguments.

One thing I have noticed once I moved to London, office job. I know the value of being home with my kids and wife, so I do my hours, not more and not less, I am lucky I get to work from home one day a week I could do two days a week from home, but any more would be detrimental I think.

German data retention law prompts Euro Commission backlash

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Re: Does it work the other way?

There is nothing stopping the German's re-drafting the legislation to state that the "contested" data is stored within the EU, just no Germany, after all there is a over-arching EU data privacy law to protect the German populace which are a subset of the EU.

No I think the EU (and certainly me) are hoping that the Germans will abide by the laws they have approved via the EU. Or to put it another way, the EU (and member countries) are very happy to start bashing the "Free Trade" baton in the iron fist when it is advantageous, to true test of "rule of law" is when you have to apply the law when it is disadvantageous to the applicant.

Facebook profiles? They're not 'personal data' Mr Putin

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How is it not personal data

So if the Russian Law states "any information relating directly or indirectly to an identified or identifiable natural person" is in effect "personal data" I would love be to a fly on the wall when FB meet the government. If FB manage to convince the Russians that FB hold no "personal data", they need to quit the tech game and go and sell sand to Saudi Arabia.

I will give them a slight tip of the hat for the brazen bollocks to argue it though.

The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined

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Re: Made My Day

I can relate to that, it breaks my heart that my kids seem to be ruled by technology (play, play , play stupid bloody game apps) rather than ruling technology by making it do what they dream up. God knows I have enough "stuff" for them to use, Pis, Gallileo, Dash and Dot (by wondermaker) and all it does is gather dust. As for the kids who prototype stuff, really, really, well done, I hope you end up being the Linus Torvalds of the future.

Cisco and friends chase WiFi's searing speeds with new cable standard

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Sceptical

Seems like a way for Cisco to gouge its current customer base.

a) Either put more copper in to the building with potentially more APs

b) APs with LAGG/LACP

c) Upgrade to a nifty 5GBs switch.

Even with 50 people connected to an AP I think it is reasonably hard to saturated the 1Gb link for more than a short peak time.

So unfair! Teachers know what’s happening on students' fondleslabs

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I believe there are no rashers of bacon at 30,000 ft = flying pigs

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Oh no, I can blame the teachers. My daughters school photocopy all the homework and give it to the children on a FRIDAY of all times for handing in on Tuesday, as a consequence I get to review the homework. Frequently I have to correct the photocopy. The spelling is atrocious, the Math's problems are frequently incorrectly stated, and for the pity of all the deity's do not get me started on grammar.

I know I did piss poor in my English, but I scrapped a pass. but these "teachers", also known as "moron's", the exclusion to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" and a whole host of other unrepeatable colloquialisms make me look like Jesus walking on water. To top it off, they acknowledge the mistakes, doff said cap and then repeat the mistakes a week later. This from a well performing ofstead inspected school. So if the teachers cannot produce mistake free homework for the pupil's, how much faith do you think I have in them actually teaching anything apart from how to be a victim of society.

On the other hand, this might give them a fighting chance to do something correctly, but my breath is not being held in and I believe there are no rashers of bacon at 30,000 ft. The teachers are already illiterates.

Back to your point, yes I can blame the teachers, I can blame them very much indeed, as they attempt to fuck up the pupils education, or more the point my kids education.

The Internet of Things becomes the Game of Thrones in standards war

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I used Z-Wave - never again. It did NOT go through walls well, it did NOT make an ideal Mesh topology.

In fact Z-Wave left a nasty taste in the mouth. Oh and for power consumption FFS do not get me started, way below manufactures specs. It was about as inter-operable as a horses' dick. At the time there were not a lot of Zigbee devices around, so I chose not use that, but I would have likely had the same issues.

Next time I automate a home, its a drill, chisel some wire and an open source controller, it seems the only reliable path. Probably X11 or KNX. Get the job done right.

Enjoy vaping while you still can, warns Public Health England

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Re: "Almost certainly"

Well by your GP's standards there would not be enough evidence or time to state that vaping is unsafe.

Conference Wi-Fi biz fined $750k for jamming personal hotspots

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Re: Openzone/Fon

Home Hub is residential - or at least as far as I can tell, (I have a infinity line), removing that "mandatory" set of hot spots out of the POS router was painless, but why does a company have a "Home Hub" as a router.

Buy something else that has a "guest" portal and then charge for the access using something like paypal, such a setup is what 200-300 pounds initially. That would pay for itself pretty quickly. Probably avoid BT T 'and C's as well as you would be sharing out your Wi-Fi not your broadband.

Government embarks on futile mission to censor teen music vid viewing

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Re: Teens and music videos?

Age of consent in the UK is not 18, it is lower.

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Re: Won't somebody think of the parents???

Realistically, scanning or searching the app stores for "parental control apps" is stupidly easy and that alone removes 95% of the nanny state/ Daily Mail arguments.

I have no expectation of someone else being responsible for my children, none, nada, zip bupkiss, Sweet FA, in the end the are MY kids,so I accept responsibility for them and that includes EVERYTHING they do.

Sales up, profit up, but no champagne corks popping at Rackspace

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Re: Why?

No they are not ALL US based, they have separate corporate entities across the world such as Rackspace LTD UK. All that said I am not sure what happens legally with respect to handing over of data, especially on (USA perspective) foreign sovereign land.

Rackspace have already said they will not complete on AWS on price and I think in the earnings call there was mention of reselling AWS or at least getting the staff AWS trained.

"We have deployed a team that is building the market-leading offering for customers who want specialized expertise and Fanatical Support on the AWS cloud"

- From the mouth of Mr Rhodes., taken from the transcript of the RAX 2015 earnings call posted on seekingalpha.com

But now that makes things really confusing. Personally (and as much as I root for the techies) my view is that they just flat loose to AWS, Azure, GCE, Digital Ocean etc ... on any measurable or meaningful statistic. RS do not Innovate fast enough or wide enough, execution of an idea is like an octogenarian running a marathon etc ....., when compared to any other large public cloud vendor. The vision also seems to be as flaccid as a punctured member. In the space of three years, " Largest Open Source Public Cloud provider" to "Someone please buy me as a part of my strategy" to "Leverage other public cloud and put a IT support desk on it". Not something to grab your attention in an excitable must "play with the stock" manner, certainly enough to make me think four to five times before I host anything of worth with them. I mean really the "vision" seems to be "survive at any cost" and not "create and sell value".

I think the stock market has had it in for them as some personal grudge, but on this occasion Rackspace got hammered bang to rights.

Now do not get me wrong, they do try for the customer and will go way beyond the corporate line to make sure a customer is happy. All laudable efforts, but it counts for shit if the upper management do not have a handle on the costs and controls and the sales etc ....... The leaders ask the employees to trust them to lead. It seems a shame (and the earnings call and the analyst all seem to line up on this) that the leaders cannot return that epic amount of faith by actually leading.

I should mention many years ago I used to work for Rackspace.

So in short to your Why? I wouldn't they do not engender enough ... well anything really.

German spooks want to charge journalists with TREASON for publishing spy plans

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This is not the same

The response here is worse than with Snowden, Snowden was about active ongoing intelligence and capability. This is about proposed capability (not that I am saying the fuckers are not doing that right now, just the documents themselves were about proposed capability according to El Reg).

I say roll on the fat lady, or this case Brünnhilde of Streisand.

Let the intelligence folks swing from the gallows (metaphorically) for piss poor performance. Seriously I would be more inclined to JUST look inwards for a bunch of dicks letting the information get out in the first place, rather than add an attack to the one type of agency guaran-fucking-teed to make sure everyone knows about.

Missing in action: The OpenStackers lost from Gartner's quadrant

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Need Glassholes !!!

Perhaps Gartner could benefit from some new google glass clip on's !

It seems a bit (or massively) crazy that they miss out on Mirantis - they must have over 100 organizations using a generally available product that runs on x86_64 and does virtualization, plus management !!!

This one seems impossible to defend.

You did forget to mention that VMware or Cisco are in fact an Openstack contributors and have a distribution, seems crazy that they would miss those of as well.

For those that care check here https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/

Now listen, Gartner – virtualisation and containers ARE different

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I am with Nate on this, but it does depend on your view.

If the goal is to run multiple application services (be they a micro service or a monolithic service or anywhere in between) on a piece of tin (aka server) then I really do not see the difference. The hyper-visor is a thicker wedge and overhead on a server to compartmentalize workload (hopefully in a secure/isolated sandbox), the container is a thinner wedge with a smaller amount of overhead to compartmentalize workload (hopefully in a secure/isolated sandbox). The principals do not change, just the amount of overhead.

I fail to see the fuss here. Gartner's magic quadrants are about markets not method of technology deployment, and without doubt Containers and Virtualization will compete in the some of the same markets.

Apple and Samsung are plotting to KILL OFF the SIM CARD - report

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Re: Wow

I love this... Just out of curiosity who is the gateway to the customer, because it sure ain't the device maker. This will end up the device maker bitch to the network provider.

Its Nokia from the 1990's all over again.

I am pessimistic because however much of an illusion it might be, I like a degree of control over MY things. This concept appears to remove that control.

Oh an think about this, you would now have a device that you could NEVER remove from a network and NEVER remove power from at will. TINFOIL hat brigade ..... CHARGE ....... Oh the potential for abuse .....

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Re: Cynics

You can hit more than one person at a time with brass knuckles. Have the up in a line and swing really hard, physics and the conservation of momentum does the rest.

But you have to swing REALLY, REALLY HARD. M'okay?

You care about TIN? Why the Open Compute Project is irrelevant

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Misses the point

So of course running a data centre efficiently is hard, no one said it was easy and this:

“The type of work and focus needed to run a data center effectively is very different than running a short-term project. A data centre requires day in and day out focus on being perfect and making marginal improvements, while avoiding risk to production operations.”

is stating the bleeding obvious and treating most people like idiots.

Most people who look at ARM, and exotic projects (for tin) already have a sizeable invest in the data centre (one way or another). So really stop treating them like children.

Also you forgot the point of Pay for provision on the cloud (run 24x7 as day to day data centre) and pay per drink (only turn on when you need it).

OCP supporters hit back over testing claims – but there's dissent in the ranks

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Re: Cole is Delusional

Hi Trevor,

I do not have the spare time to do all that research, I am like you on fire, but for different reasons, thankfully though I have managed to quit the flying. You make really good points, some of which I hope I answered in my reply to jaybeez.

I think OCP stays relevant for the moment at least, but maybe not be visible, especially if it is only large - hyper-scale deployments.

Black boxes will have a place such as hyper converged systems, but in truth they only scale out so far. They are great for the SMB, and the smallish enterprise that wants ease of use etc ...

A main reason I walked away from OCP was because in the end I could not see a way of making it viable for the small companies. I hope that someone else can prove me wrong.

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Re: Cole is Delusional

Hi jaybeez,

Yes I was around at the start from the golden years up to the Santa Clara Open Compute summit. so 2013 officially in the project, but worked with an SI (AVNET) for another year or so. I also know Yf Juan, the ex director of ITRI you are referring to and was in Asia for long enough (about 6 months) when the chapters were being formed for Taiwan, and yes I know Paul Rad as well (UTSA).

The Centres were an answer to a problem, the problem is not the one that most people are commenting on though. First of all you will have to suspend disbelief for a second and realize that Open Source software is nothing like open source hardware, and second stay with me through a rambling explanation.

For a start (and as the main driver for the bitching point here) the licenses used to govern contributions and manufacture are taken from the open source world, where software is can be 100% open source, or if not can be compartmented up enough that a license granting use or non assert clauses does not over reach into proprietary code. E.G. Apache License (ASF). There is no corollary to that that I know of in the hardware world. So Open compute uses the OWFa license 1.0 which grants no assert rights but not transfer of ownership. E.G. "Bob" makes hardware uses OWFa 1.0 I can make the hardware exactly the same as "Bob" defined, but I am not allowed any deviation from it because I do not own the IP, but as long as i make the hardware the way "Bob" defined then he cannot bring a lawsuit against me. At least that is how I understand it to be. Apply that logic to a project say a motherboard and see who owns what. Add to that a fear (reasonable in some cases) that to publish any technical details would be to open up Pandora's box on your IP and you can see a) why OWF was adopted and b) why publishing detailed technical information on a component is scarce. Rather it is easier to publish specifications that force a particular way of doing things, generally only ONE way of doing things.

So in a way we have an openish thing with a black box core as a result. Because to get to a meaningful state where you can understand this thing you have had to sign NDA's with ODM's and other manufacturers. Remember the specification does not say HOW you do things, just what it has to be at the end.

Now jet back to the start of open compute and remember that this is a project for hypersccale deployments. ASDF has a couple of things wrong in my opinion, a) nearly all public clouds of note certainly large ones run on some sort of "bespoke" hardware. b) most users do not give a crap about that, they care about there workload running not what makes it run, as long as there is an SLA they feel fine, the same can probably be said of large big data farms as well I mean do you think AWS run around changing failed drives every second?. So having Open sourced a specification that works for hyperscale deployments where substantial amounts of money can be thrown at hardware by in house testing teams or contracted testing teams what do we do to say ODM A produces something specification equivalent to ODM B? Or that servers from ODM A work with Knox JBODS from ODM B ? We cannot open source testing for components because we most likely have an NDA against them, we cannot open source the IP, the only thing we can do is provide tools to test against the specification, or at least that is all we can do from within side Open Compute as a foundation.

Independent testing labs can/could go a lot further, but and here is the catch it still requires the IP holders consent, and then we also get into that cost exercise I described in an above post.

So considering what the use case is Hyperscale and considering the tools at our disposal to help the community we have two wildly diverging points of view.

If I then overlayed how ODM's will make the run for motherboards or backplanes, say 20,000 in a month, and you need that volume to swallow the tooling costs for the production line (including any potentially lost revenue to the ODM by holding up other production if you need it in a rush). No ODM wants to make 20,000 motherboards just for them to sit in a warehouse, you need to take delivery of the 20,000 motherboards. This tends to put the non-hyperscale guy out of the purchasing equation.

So I go back to my two diverging points of view and only one becomes relevant.

Hopefully you can see now where a) OCP is applicable, b) why the certification is what it is c) why this is not prime time for non hyperscale.

That's not an end though, because OCP is also supposed to foster innovation, and innovation can trickle down to the little person or the non-hyperscale person. I have seen precious little of that myself in the last year or so, but then I have not tried to find it either, it seems happy to just "bimble along" in that sense ASDF is right. What I can say though is that ODM's have seen a path to take more of the "value" out of the supply chain, example Quanta with QCT, and OEM's have responded with HP whiteboxes by Foxconn and Dell with DCS (although they were around before OCP). We have seen innovation from storage companies as well think closely coupled compute and storage, seagate Kinetic was back ported to Knox i think.

So all in all I have to say OCP has been somewhat successful on what IT said it was going to deliver and not what people HOPE it is going to deliver., So Cole's main points stand, although I may not agree with the method of elucidation or self flagellation around how the points were conveyed. Also I think there are things OCP could do a lot better, it could be more communicative. It could take on board the internal and external feedback better. I am sad that OCP is still at that juncture - something that I saw in 2012-13, bit it is what it is. The problems are complex (perhaps needlessly) and what I have descried above is like pealing a layer of paint, there is still more underneath that. So most of the OCP folks do what I consider and admirable effort in trying to keep all appeased, through I agree the outliers sometimes they need a taser up the backside.

As for the external testing, well the answer may well be wrapped up in the explanation above. Proof of life (if you can call this proof of life) is using the taser and seeing if the C and I chair squeaks or smokes.

Now to keep all the lawyers happy, this is my personal subjective view, treat it as a hypothetical conversation if you like.

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Re: Cole is Delusional

Me write a piece, have you seen my English. It's like I was taught by a weasel. !! Holy crap if you saw my OCP charter you would not ask!!

Honestly I am not sure this is technical in nature. I think It's more about listening to the community around them, and not just the signed up members but also the nascent rumble from everyone else.

As I have hinted at right now I think OCP is in mass deployment only mode. That is a hard view to change. Also I have no context to what really made the anonymous test engineer to break cover. One thing I am sure of though, you are not going to break how IT procurement is done. The SI's such as penguin, quanta etc ... see the opportunity. It's about customer momentum and how to make that happen.

That said 'mouth and money'. I can see what's involved I writing something if you are game...

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Re: Cole is Delusional

Its hard not to agree with you on the quality of a major design element such as a server motherboard or storage backplane, and honestly if Open Compute "could" publish everything then it would make life a lot easier, but not being able to publish propriety stuff makes that impossible. This is why I think Barbara's point resonates so much.

When I suggested the SI in the supply chain look at taking that burden, it was because I know that is a viable alternative. Honestly if the SI's got their shit together they could then pool the results to the community at large. That would solve both problems. Of course there would be "someone footing" the bill, but likely that would be a large anchor customer. Example "facebook" for a specific run of motherboard or storage etc ... but its an enabler and way over the hump and its an embryo of an idea. Why not run it by the OCP board, either Frank, Mark or Andy. From the sounds of it Barbara did not have much luck with C and I project lead and for that reason I would leap frog the innovation committee.

And when I say "why not run it by" I mean could El Reg run an opinion piece? That would be a way of putting 2 pennies in for all the little guys.

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Re: Cole is Delusional

Trevor, Its rare I agree with Cole enough to write about things, but I have to break a long standing tradition of saying sweet FA, and now I have to publicly agree with Cole. At least on this one.

My name is James Hesketh and I was there at Rackspace as part of the founding member team, I am the guy who chaired the Virtual IO project and I left a while ago. The great opportunity I personally saw in Open Compute is the one Trevor champions, its the one where the little guy gets to use Open Compute, sadly for me the project is not there now and I doubt it ever will be. But that is not Cole's or Open Compute Projects problem. There are some points from the founding that probably need to be revisited?

1) Driving down cost is an important aspect but WHERE do you drive down the cost? Open Compute was about reduced cost by efficiency, not primarily about reduced cost at point of purchase. This leads to a long debate on how IT equipment is produced, Talk to the ODM's about how stuff is produced.

2) How do you do hardware and testing on open hardware - an just for shits and giggles think about the testing argument you waded in on with Nutanix and VMware. Open servers have proprietary shit in them too. Do you think OEM's place all the testing our there in the open or shut the doors on a whole bunch o' crap? When you do certification what do you, do it on different vendor hard disks, different raid controllers, nics, memory, just where do you draw the line? And do not get me started about firmware updates and the whole cycle of testing. ANY ODM could make the motherboard so to be comprehensive testing and not biased how many configurations do you test?

3) i) Costs I mention costs because with certification there comes LIABILITY. You said "this" will work with "that", who has liability for what?, Open Compute is a overarching body, its a council it does not fullfill purchase orders. ii) Not to mention who the hell pays for a full tier1 testing regime? You the end customer? You want that cost added to the purchase price?

All that said Barbara raises good points and ones cannot be brushed away, but Barbara's point does nothing to address the points above, it compounds them, even the remedy compounds them if undertaken by the Open Compute Project. It has to be done outside of the Open Compute project main body, because of the Open Compute ecosystem.

Picture this, in a chain of companies that create and fullfill an order for "something" open source where is the "value"?, value can mean a lot of things, but in this case I mean "where is the bit that I can say here is something that you Mr customer value that I can assign a monetary value to". Arguably in open compute deeper testing /certification can be provided in the supply chain most likley at the system integrator, and at a "cost" if that is what is desired, or as an end customer I can forgo that and do it myself.

Trevor, I read your articles regularly and generally agree with a large percentage of what you right, and in my heart of hearts I truly wish "this" certification and testing was up to Tier1 standards so everyone could use it without fear, but that does not come free and the cost of filling in the "gaps" falls to someone. So if you really want to have an OCP certification standard that is equal or better to an OEM standard then by all means ask for it, but expect to pay for it, and not just fiscally either. I trust you are wise enough to see the parallel with Cole's comment about facebook doing testing.

As I have said in the past "buyer beware". Holy shit look at the difference between Red Hat and Centos or Debian and Ubutnu, or Suse Linux and Open Suse etc ....This is philosophically no different, seriously why do people by Red Hat support subscriptions when they could run Centos ?

To Cole's other point, it is easy to be critical or castigate from afar and do little else (i personally have not seen you do it). but I have seen the rant of open source software folks on this comment list. How many times have people had to change something just to make it "functional" because it was written for a particular flavour of Linux? I know I have had to do it for Community editions of software that have a "enterprise - pay me for it" edition frequently I contribute the change back somehow and make the world just infinitesimal amount better off. Of course that is the Open Source way.

Open Compute stuff is not ephemeral, it is not code, it is physical it needs to justify the expense of companies developing and building for orders. It has to show a return, it somehow has to conform to a degree of business economics. In the end the community vote with the wallet, if there is no wallet for Open Compute then Open Compute Project dies on the vine.

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Seriously ...?

Flucking Idiots. I am sure someone in the product team got a directorship out of this genius.

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