Re: Not actually shooting the messanger
RTFH: "The internet is less free than last year. Thanks a bunch, Snowden"
That is all.
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An interesting piece on the subject here: http://www.nickhunn.com/uk-smart-meters-delayed-again/
" This is not all bad news. It means that the growing population of consultants within DECC can look forward to what is fast becoming a never-ending gravy train of consultancy work, public consultations and project reviews. For the consumer it’s likely to mean even more unnecessary costs heaped onto future energy bills. But not until after the next election, so nobody in Westminster really cares."
Well worth a read.
h/t Bishop Hill Blog for link
What does AGW stand for?
Anthropogenic - i.e. caused by humans.
In order to justify the Zillions (that's a 1 with a squillion 0s after it) of dollars being spent and committed to "de-carbonize" the world, a rational person would need to show that 1) The world was warming, 2) The warming was in fact Anthropogenic, 3) The warming was likely to be Catastrophic (as in "CAGW" - or at least a big enough problem to justify the proposed remedy) and 4) That it was possible to do anything meaningful to prevent the warming. Even then, they would have to show that adapting to any change was a worse plan than trying Canute-like to prevent it.
This is quite a tricky challenge, especially as there hasn't been much/any warming for about 2 decades, despite the continuing increase in CO2 (which is supposed to be the cause). Nevertheless, there are some people who still "Believe" in AGW.
These tend to be anyone who's job depends on maintaining the scare or who makes a nice profit taking the green subsidies, as well as the genuine but gullible folks who just want to "save the world". Most politicians and regulators of course love it as an opportunity to raise taxes, impose ever more laws and regulations and to subsidise their friends.
Let's keep in mind that a car is essentially just a tool to move people & a few belongings from A to B & back. Four wheels, an engine, weather protection, heating (+ aircon in hot places), lights so you can drive at night. Maybe a radio to sing along to :-)
Even in a world where car manufacturers are now forced by regulations to add layers of unwanted complexity, this 1.8 tonne over-engineered monstrosity must take the biscuit.
(and don't even get me started on the stupidity of hydrogen as a fuel)
@ Rik Myslewski
Interesting data - but not scary "We've got a problem, folks" data.
The October time series that you link shows a trend of 0.69K/century and also shows the "pause" in warming.
October was warmer than last year, but February was colder. All the lines look prety much like random walks about a shallow trend line to me, i.e. quite different from the CO2 concentration trend line which IIRC only took off post war.
This tends to falsify the CO2 -> CAGW theory because, if it were true, one would expect the two to track much more closely. It looks like CO2 is not the dominant factor, something else is causing the (gentle and beneficial) warming.
Aaah - the old "cherry picking which question to answer" trick.
Your link is to: "How do we know the world has warmed?" - I don't think anyone was disputing that it's warmer now than back in the 1850s.
My link was to evidence that it ain't been warming much or at all in the last 15 years.
Because you said that the people pointing out that there had been no warming over that period were "science-ignoring idiots".
Is it that we have to ignore just the evidence that tends to falsify the AGW hypothisis?
And I think that your anology is a bit silly too - I'd imagine it would be dificult to claim anything if someone were burning your head. I hope that isn't what you'd really like to do to anyone who disagrees with you :-)
This seems suspect. IIRC, lightning formation in cunims is a triboelectric effect caused by water droplets. If so, the ammount of rain ought to be proportional?
Also, in the comming thermogeddon, there is supposed to be more water in the atmosphere so presumably more will be circulating as rain too.
Perhaps I can get a bung from the EU to make a computer model to study this?
Absolutely Yes !
IIRC, the planning system is one of the last vestiges of the post-war Socialist nationalization program. The government nationalized your right to develop your own property as you saw fit and imposed a planning system that would allocate permissions as needed in the brave new world. Over time, this mutated into a system for saying "no" to most development and has thus created the market distortions that we see today. Why are houses so eye-wateringly expensive? Mainly because we have restricted the supply (that and increased the demand with increased immigration).
My personal experience with council planners is that they have a weird form of jargon-speak (e.g. "harm to the openness of the countryside") and are quite happy to lie and deceive when it suits them in order to reach the desired "no" answer.
(but we did defeat them and got our modest extension approved - Yes !)
AC said: "the Government give them the rest" to which I replied:
"the Government" can only do this by taking other peoples (aka "taxpayers") money - it has none of its own.
Also, I rather suspect that libraries & museums are a small part of what they spend. More than 50% of my local council spend is paid out in benefits.
Same in England. Barking mad.
Unfortunately this is what happens when the Politicos drink the Green Cool-Aid. Sound bite promises are made, these get translated into Acts of Parliament, (often via Directives) which get distilled into regulations and suddenly we notice that we are forced to live in air-tight homes, or can't buy proper light bulbs, or have our hard earned spaffed on wind power subsidies.
Tumbrels, tumbrels - where are the tumbrels?
Just guessing: the feathering tail is intended to be deployed at high speed in the rarefied atmosphere of near SPAAACE, not the 200-300 mBar at 30-40,000 ft. Probably the speed would then decrease gradually during re-entry. The combination of high speed and dense atmosphere might over-stress the structure, either directly or by producing a violent un-commanded pitch up.
It will be interesting to read the accident report when it gets released.
Basically, it's NOT a scientific organisation
It's the *Inter-Governmental* Panel on Climate Change, i.e. a political organisation.
Some "science" does go on but, e.g. when they finalize the Summary for Policymakers, it is done by closed door negotiations with the press excluded (but Green NGOs included).
I think it's most unlikely that they would ever find that there isn't a scary problem as their salaries and prestige depend on confirming that there is one.
Donna Laframboise wrote an informative book on it which makes an interesting read - Recommended.
Just helped a (east European) neighbor fill out a UK drivers licence application...
The form says to complete section A & B or some such - but the sections are *numbered* 1, 2, etc. Sections A, B, etc are the f***ing *instructions*.
Hanging really would be too good for them.
"My staff are the embodiment of British values, not a threat to them"
Bla bla bla, they go shopping, have a drink down the pub and "help children in local schools".
As I expect did Stasi operatives, the NKVD, thoes lovable German folks and indeed, any of the tools of rogue states throughout history. That didn't make the work they were doing good or right.
As a Brit, I would not agree that spying on the population 24/7 is the embodiment of British values, and I *do* think that it is a threat to them.
Some Anonymous Coward wittered "the recruitment processes that resulted in Snowden getting recruited also allowed an unknown number of other half wits into the bit barns" to which I replied:
Nope, don't think Snowden can be described as a half wit. He clearly understood that his government had gone rogue and the risks of exposing what was going on. I think better descriptions would be brave, public spirited and patriotic (as someone upholding his country's constitution when his government was trashing it).
No you don't understand.
Govt demands money from punter in the form of car tax. Govt should make it possible for punter to actually pay said money at any time - not just only days or weeks before it's due.
In most normal transactions you pays your money and gets the goods or services - why should HMG be different (other than usual incompetence)?
"What the UK needs is a party that returns to socialism"
I don't think that it ever had one, but the previous nearly socialist ones still managed to run out of other people's money to spend. And the current clowns are still carrying on the same, running up debt and spaffing our hard earned cash on foriegn wars, high speed trains, spying on folks, aircraft-less carriers, diversity outreach co-ordinators, etc, etc.
I think we just need much less government, much smaller Government - EU, central, county and local - and many fewer laws and regulations. These people are not in their trade for our benefit, merely for their own self importance and enrichment or a nice easy job and good pension.
Bring on the tumbrills, that's wot I say.
IIRC you have to sign up to the ECHR to be a member of the EU or of EFTA so we would have to invoke Article 51 and negotiate our exit from the EU or just renege on existing treaties, either way without the option of joining EFTA. Might make trade a bit difficult.
But then, this is just conference grandstanding by an uninformed and ignorant politician, and we know how tenuous their relationship with truth and honesty is - remember "Call me Dave" and him "vetoing" that "treaty", or that guff about "renegotiating" our "relationship" with the EU? - all make believe.
The mainstream media seem equally clueless most of the time.
An independant, truthful and unbiased broadcaster might justify a compulsary licence charge. Sadly, the Beeb is none of these things - more like the broadcast arm of the loss making Guardian newspaper. Leftist, statist and with its "naratives" and agenda.
Not fit for purpose, a waste of money. Break it up and sell it off.
Disagree - I thought it was two pages of waffle without much of a point. Sorry Andrew, but there it is.
I don't approve of cab licensing (with permits costing BIG sums in the major cities) - it's just a Guild-ish restraint on trade, to advantage of the licensor and the (prety lowly skilled) supplier to the disadvantage of the customer.
What a surprise that Cabbies and "licencing authorities" aka "Government" don't like anything that busts the current scheme.
Rent seekers all, desperate to protect their incomes by restricting customer choice; and no better than the medieval guilds.
(PS: no "parasite" icon, so have a "spawn of Satan")
Tax and spend explains it. Think who's money it is that Government is spending.
Tax Joe & Jane Public (or hide the tax in fuel bills) and spend it on subsidies for your mates in Big Green. HMM and the EU both give bungs to "Environmentalist" lobby groups so they can lobby them for more Green regulation.
We are doomed !
I did look at your link but it appeared to be just a blog post. IMHO the CRU data is likely to be more reliable. Do go look :-)
What is "the deniers' opinion" ?
To me the phrase looks like a combination of an ad hom attack and a straw man argument.
As an engineer, I've had lots of people (including scientists) tell me porkies about scientific things over the years, so I like to check out the data. When I look at the surface temperature records (freely available at CRU) I can easily see that a) "climate" (or certainly Global Warmth) changes over time and b) the claimed Catastrophic Warming isn't happening (in fact, contrary to predictions, it's not been "warming" for nearly 2 decades).
So count me in with the folks who are just a bit skeptical about anything that "Climate Scientists" say, especially when they aren't even scientists but Greenpeace, WWF, Prince Charles, the Beeb, etc. And I would be surprised if anyone except a politician wouldn't agree that politicians will use prety much anything as an excuse for more taxes ;-)
(but well done for correct use of apostrophe)
"that still doesn't mean it should be legal."
I think that's the wrong way around - it says that you should need government permission to do stuff: Anything not allowed is illegal.
I think it ought to be that the government should generally mind its own business and only prohibit things as an exception.
Just my 2₵
Mr Anonymous Coward quotes the highly reliable Grauniad and says it's worse than we thought, it's warming I tell you !
Whereas the dodgey data on the CRU Temperature Data page shows some pretty pausey looking graphs - Central England Temperature, CRUTEM4, HadCRUT4 & HadSST3. Have a look and see. I guess they'll have to update that lousy data.
Call me a Denialist, but I can't be arsed to deal with the other two points.
Have a look at the graph shown at 0:26 in the Holdren youtube clip. If you pause it and hold a straight edge to the zero line you'll see that the graph is canted upwards. This has the effect of making the warming trend line appear steeper than it is.
Must have been a mistake, Shirly? Obama's boffin definitely wouldn't wouldn't do policy based evidence making or anything like that. And he certainly wouldn't have picked the start point of the time series to make that line scarier.
But- oooh look - you can see the start of the non-existant "pause" over the last decade of data. Who'd have thought it?
I saw a graph the other day of accidents over the time period 1991 - 2010. You could really see the spike in fatalities as cell phones became ubiquitous - not.
I think the "How govt works:" sub-title is about right, plus they just make stuff up and claim it's "evidence".
Bring on the Tumbrels, that's wot I say.
John Hughes said "Central England? That's your idea for a proxy for the global temperature?"
"No, 'corse not" I thought, and scuttled off to the CRU Temperature Data page, where they have graphs of temperature time series called things like CRUTEM4, HadCRUT4 & HadSST3.
"Well, call me a Denialist" thought I - they all look pretty pausey too.
I wondered to myself where that data set is that dan1980 said was the basis for the utter fabrication?
Perhaps John Hughes might be able to point it out?
dan1980 said "If you are referring to the 'pause', that is an utter fabrication based on a very poor interpretation of a single data set from a single source and of limited global scope."
So I scuttled over to the Met Office Central England Temperature Record (HadCET) to have a look...
Seems pretty "paused" to me - but maybe that's the data set on which the utter fabrication is based. But what do I know, I'm an engineer not a "Scientist" ;-)