Re: WTF?
@ HildyJ
That is not the problem; the problem is that most people accept this.
As most do not refuse they continue as willing subjects to unrestrained big government, which is never less obtrusive, but only becomes more so.
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Err..
We are talking about SST (Sea Surface Temperature) I think. So air temperature not relevant??
I tried to check the "Extended Reconstructed Sea Surface Temperature dataset version 4", ref 13 in the paper but it's behind a paywall. Can anyone quote the exact adjustment applied and the justification as in ERSST.v4 ?
If you average out the bouy data (which you've adjusted upwards) with the non-bouy data, in propoortion to the quantity of each data set, and the bouy data becomes a greater proportion of the whole with time, then that will generate an average that shows warming.
I think that's it.
Check out WUWT, etc. for full explanation.
<quot> Ross McKitrick is a notorious climate change denier</quot>
Not that you are in any way biased, Anon Coward, or indulging in the Ad Hom falicy...
(and we can't tell whether you are notorious or not, being an Anonymous Coward)
Actually, the paper does seem a bit flakey: there dosn't seem to be any new data, just they've changed the assumptions and "adjusted" the data accordingly. I thought that Prof McKitrick's response well reasoned (and Prof Judith Curry's too), even if Mr Orlowski is a bit OTT.
Of course the NOAA folks might have spotted something that nobody else has - but they do have "form" and have produced a politicaly useful result in the run up to the Paris climate jamboree so the burden of disbelief has to be prety high - personally, I think it's just more junk science.
@ Voland's right hand (Silver badge!)
1. Yes, free movement of labour within EEA is fine - and part of the deal. Also fine is that movement of non-labour (benefit tourism, etc.) is not free.
2. Mostly it's *not* EU regulation. It's imposed via the EU but is actually made by and then handed down from international bodies above the EU. Banking regulation derives from the FSB (Google it), not the EU.
No problem at all with European neighbours - I speak a bit in 6 EU languages, have LT Godson. Several colleagues and neighbours are from EU countries. But EU itself is a bad thing, of which we would better be out.
BTW: have you read the Patterson speech, or Richard North's stuff? I would be good to know about what you are disagreeing with.
@ fredsmith999
Your point as I read it was that we would still have to "meet their (safety) standards" - meaning the EU's standards.
I don't think that anyone (sensible) is against supranational standards. They promote free trade by preventing local barriers. They mean that e.g. you can buy a battery that fits your camera wherever you are in the world - AA size is international.
The point is that it is not the EU that sets the standards, but the EU gets to interpose itself between the nation states which it governs and the various international bodies that set the standards.
For example, despite its obvious direct interest, the UK does not get to sit at the negotiating table on the international committee that deals with Fish and Fisheries Products. The EU negotiates for us, as one of 28 member states. Norway by contrast, population 5 million, an EFTA member and in the "Common Market" with the EU, gets its own seat.
Who is likely to get the better outcome when the standards are handed down?
Europe is not the EU & the EU is not the Common Market.
People often get this wrong - in the case of Europhiles often I think to spread misinformation to prevent sensible debate about Brexit.
Europe is a continent, with long history and mostly shared values. The UK landmass is part of that continent, pending a split in tectonic plates.
The EU is (and always has been) a political construct and is about supranational government, with all the bureaucracy and regulation that big government loves. If we want to get back to being our own masters, a good way to start would to leave the EU. Fortunately, the EU constitution aka the Lisbon Treaty provides a mechanism for this under Article 50.
The "Common Market" which Brits were sold last time we had a referendum is actually the EEA, of which the EU and EFTA are members. The sometimes quoted point about having to abide by rules and standards without having input to their generation is misleading because most standards are set outside of the EU - e.g. safety standards are ISO, the EN (and BS) versions are subsidiary.
Leaving the EU, while remaining within the EEA (via the EFTA route) would leave us economically neutral while allowing us to start to regain sovereignty. For instance, we would be able to have our own national representation on international standards organisations, instead of having to rely on the EU to negotiate for us.
What we are likely to get from the man in No 10 is a fake "renegotiation" plus huge FUD campaign followed by a referendum in which the Europhiles hope the population is fooled into agreeing. We need to inform ourselves better, whether we end up believing In or Out is best, let's make an informed choice and not just accept the propaganda (e.g. "leaving Europe").
Several commentards below have mentioned Richard North's work, which I would recommend as informed and well thought out. I'd also point people to a speech by Owen Paterson last year "An optimistic vision of a post-EU United Kingdom". Worth a read.
Iceland gets my thumbs up.
I was there last year and there was a noisy demonstration outside the parliament building. Aparently the politicos had promised a referendum about joining the EU and then reneged. The opinion of the various people that I asked was that nobody/very few wanted to join the EU, but a referendum had been prommised so a referendum is what they wanted to have, not a broken promise.
The problem is though, that this “game-changing” technology was lapped up by the technically illiterate media, instead of being greeted with the laughter which it deserves. This is the same ignorance and foolishness that brings us wind farms, solar arrays (hundreds of acres alone in just my local area) and all the other subsidy scams, robbing the poor to give to the rich and not a jot of "Global Warming" prevented. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
We'll need to be able to "manage demand" by remotely cutting off the plebs' power.
Especially in the depths of winter when the wind stops blowing and the solar farms are in darkness.
And we've "decarbonised" anything that used to generate reliable power.
But we wouldn't want to publicize that (plebs might get uppity, ask questions).
As happened in the Clive Ponting trial in the UK.
The jury acquitted, despite being directed by the judge to convict.
Likely they took the view that the public and parliament had a right not to be lied to, and that "public interest" was not necessarily and only whatever the executive said it was. And possibly that it was for them, the jury, to decide guilt, not the judge.
Such acquittals are however sadly rare.
But that's the point - nobody will be fired, or suffer any repercussions, except maybe given some quiet guidance on how not to get caught next time.
The state and its minions believe that the law does not apply to them, and - because there is never any comeback for illegal acts - in effect they actually *are* above the law.
"According to the committee, the government is not doing enough..."
If it were any ordinary bunch of fools we could just chuckle and then ignore them. Unfortunately, these particular fools actually do run the country. Doomed, we are.
(And anyone who uses the phrase "tipping point" deserves corrective surgery)
Actually...
IIRC, "Global Warming" (tm) is supposed to heat the poles more than the lower latitudes, thereby reducing temperature gradients that drive that thing we call "weather".
But, as it turns out, the Globe hasn't warmed* for nearly 2 decades, despite continually increasing CO2. We engineers would probably agree that this means that the "Anthropogenic CO2 -> Global Warming -> DOOM -> Saved by taxes and more Government" theory is broken.
*I know we just had the "Warmest Year Ever" broadcast round the Globe. If you read the small print (anounced a bit later) it was maybe 0.02oC warmer than a few years back, with low (38%) confidence and with error big bars. And of course, temperature records from earlier years have a history of being "homogomised" - always downwards of course - making warming appear from thin (but CO2 infested) air ;-)
Can't remember the exact figure, but the anthprogenic CO2 flux is small compared with the natural CO2 cycle. Ergo, "can't keep up" is improbable.
IMO Carbon Capture seems to be an expensive business desperatly looking for taxpayer subsidy. And it involves basicly the same processes as that nasty "Fracking". If it does ever go ahead large scale I hope the CO2 stays captured - a large scale leak under a populated area could asphixiate thousands.
BTW, have a look at Murray Salby's work, suggesting that CO2 emmisions are a function of temperature, rather than the IPCC story of "CO2 causes Global Warming". The ice cores do show CO2 lags temperature...
"Now I have to book a flight"
Go for it - flying is the best thing :-)
What I would suggest to anyone wanting a trial flight (Tiger Moth or any other light aircraft, glider, microlight, etc) either for themselves or as a present is *not* to buy any of these gift vouchers. Instead, look for a local flying school or gliding club and contact them direct.
You will pay less, won't have to drive miles to the nearest place that takes the vouchers and will probably have a better time as you are not just some punter with an "experience" voucher. By talking to them you can arange to turn up on a good weather day rather than booking weeks ahead and taking whatever weather you get. For example, yesterday was a cracking day (in Cambs anyway) but today was pants.
Or, if you know anyone who flies, ask them - they will be happy to point you in the right direction or maybe even take you for a bimble for the cost of the fuel.
"had their license revoked"
I think the clue is in the instructor bit - i.e. they were ab initio.
Don't know where this story relates to, but in the UK there has been no mandatory glider licence, it's all delegated to the British Gliding Association and managed very safely under their rules (although the EU pondlife scum bureaucrats at EASA are now in the process of imposing licences on their unwilling victims)
Part of the problem is that there is very little "we" in it. The state can take money from whomever and wherever it choses and spend it on any thing it likes, moderated only by fear of riot or electoral defeat at some future date.
This is one of the key areas which the Harogate Agenda bods are seeking to address (see R North/EU Referendum, etc.) by putting the government's budget to popular vote for approval. Little chance of success of course - too many people with a vested interest in the existing rotten system.
"The report card at the end of the first year after the government’s acceptance of the Information Governance review reads: must try harder," it said.
I'd rather that they tried a lot less. Just went away, maybe got proper jobs and stopped wasting our money on such things. We could do with much less Government and its mendacious control freaks.
When you buy petrol at a garage it is of course taxed, whether you put it in a car or an aircraft. AVGAS too is taxed (and is more expensive than petrol), as I believe is AVTUR (kerosene) used for private flying.
Aircraft capital & maintenance costs and hangarage are generally more expensive than fuel costs - certainly at the lighter end of the aircraft scale.
Passenger duty is a different tax (but still basically the Government taking money off people under threat of imprisonment).
I think the clue is in the bit about replace all engines & fuel with electric stuff and it's good for 10 mins flight. Instead of 10 hours or so in an airliner. Even a microlight is required to have 1 hour duration at full throttle (although maybe SSDR lets you off this). Petrol (or AVGAS) is not the expensive bit in flying anyway - but it is a very concentrated energy source, much better than electricity. So any percentage of electric in the hybrid is sub-optimal.
But said boffin gets to play with a microlight, Paul Dewhurst gets to fly it for free and Boeing gets to pay, so taxpayers money isn't wasted and everyone is happy.
“Small innovative online companies matter to me" bla bla bla says EU clone.
Well he would say that wouldn't he? "I don't give a s**t - I get paid my fat salary and perks to spew out regulations so that's what I'll do" wouldn't get good press.
But he's happy, the enforcers are happy and the big players are all happy to have the little guy excluded from the market - or maybe have then forced to use an Amazon/Google/Paypal product to take care of all the regulatory stuff for them at a price.
I don't think that Atlas Shrugged was meant to be a road-map for the EU - it just seems like that.
Article 50 anyone??
"Who lobbied the bureaucrats?"
It seems that quite often the EU gives bungs to campaigning groups, especially Big Green NGOs, to lobby it for things that it then makes into laws. It appears that the Neonic pesticide ban is one recent example, complete with all the policy based evidence making that money can buy.