* Posts by Ilmarinen

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Memo man Damore is back – with lawyers: Now Google sued for 'punishing' white men

Ilmarinen

Re: Oh the misleading...

The original (including the graphics missing from AC's link) is here:

https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

You can also find various interviews with the bloke on the interwebs and make up your own mind whether he has 'personality issues' or not.

He seemed OK to me, other than a naive belief that facts trump politically correct dogma - I think that's been beaten out of him now :-)

Ilmarinen
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Oh how El Reg is fallen

El Reg: "James Damore, the software engineer fired from Google after ironically firing off a neurotic memo about "neurotic" women, "

I've read Damore's memo: "Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber - How bias clouds our thinking about diversity and inclusion".* It was well argued, moderate and does not contain any of the sentiments indicated in the El Reg article.

This is "fake news" of the worst kind, and exemplifies why I rarely read El Reg these days.

I only came here today to verify what the Beeb was saying about Intel's little problem. Don't think I'll be back anytime soon.

* https://medium.com/@Cernovich/full-james-damore-memo-uncensored-memo-with-charts-and-cites-339f3d2d05f

(copied by email to Editorial director John Lettice)

Your top five dreadful people the Google manifesto has pulled out of the woodwork

Ilmarinen
Meh

Comment to El Reg

I just emailed this to John Lettice, Editorial director:

Hi John,

I just clicked the "report abuse" tab on one of Kieren Mccarthy's posts

(https://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/report/3258478). I was expecting

to get a dialogue about why I was reporting it, but didn't, hence this

follow up to you.

It's not that the individual post is abuse, it's that the original

article itself, and the many follow up posts by Mccarthy, taken

together, show a really quite bigoted attitude, a disregard for facts

and a contempt for anyone who attempts to express an alternative view -

even when Mccarthy is quite plainly wrong.

Now it may be that you are happy for El Reg to become click bait,

driven by a fact free troll. He's certainly got a lot of comments.

It's your publication, up to you. I'm just making you aware of the

opinion of a once daily reader who dosen't visit so much these days -

and articles and authors like this are most of the reason.

Kind regards,

Gareth

(usename Ilmarinen)

PS: I originally looked at the article because I was looking for a

factual, truthful and informed piece on the subject. I did not find

that.

Ilmarinen
Happy

Re: creationists

"my comparison to creationists is completely valid because you asserted that if you believe something to be true that makes it true"

ROFL - no I didn't, read the words. I said that I didn't agree with you and I couldn't see how you you thought the memo was "garbage". I even said that it was "my opinion".

I also said that your article was pants (several people have said this but I don't think you've responded).

Obviously I believe what I'm saying is true, and I think you must be barking if you really believe what you are saying, but I was completely assertion-less about believing anything to be true making it so.

It would be silly to assert any such thing: obviously, I might be wrong. I have been in the past (like when I believed all that Climate Doom nonsense). I suspect that you however might be someone who is never wrong. You do seem to be having a bit of a leftie style sense of humour failure today.

Anyway, great click bait if that was what you intended, and very amusing even if you really think all that stuff. I'm off now to post a link on Worstall's blog to share the mirth :-)

Ilmarinen
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Re: creationists

Can I invoke Godwin's Law for the spurious introduction of creationists?

Or should I just hold up a mirror for you?

Ilmarinen
WTF?

"No it didn't. It's garbage and you know it"

Oh dear!

You can't know what I know - not without telepathy that is.

Now, you might think, as you say, that it's "garbage" and I accept that you might hold this view. I don't agree with that view, I wrote what I meant and what I said is my view. I don't understand how you could hold the view that it's "garbage" other than thinking that you can't have read it properly or you could possibly be a bit "challenged" in some way, but that's just my opinion.

I also found the article very poor. I have just gone back to try to read it again, but lost the will to live somewhere in page two. IMO it was poorly written and mostly nonsense, but life's too short even to begin deconstructing it. I'd just add my vote to the earlier commentard who described it as a "turd".

Sorry, there it is.

(PS: does this get me a FOTW entry?)

Ilmarinen
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Re: Ad hominem

@AC "this man and his diatribe against women in the workplace"

It wasn't. You plainly haven't read it. Why don't you do so?

Here's a link:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

Ilmarinen
FAIL

Re: asshe but

@joeldillon " This guy stood right up in front of the entire company and said a chunk of said employees and co-workers were biologically unsuited for their job. "

He didn't.

As they say, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your "own facts".

Read what he wrote*. To help you with this, here is the link:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

*presumably while sitting in his cubicle or whatever, and certainly not standing up in front of the entire company

Ilmarinen

Re: Good article

I clicked the downvote to your comment, but then immediately realised that, actually, I agree with you in part.

I think it's a very poor article, but agree that there are some good insights. It's just that the insights are all into Kieren's world view and journalistic abilities ;-)

Ilmarinen
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FFS

Well I read Mr Damore's document in its entirety. I didn't agree with all of it, but it seemed to me well written, well thought out, respectful and made good points.

Unlike the load of bollocks that Kieren McCarthy has written above, where I gave up after reading page one and skimming page 2. I think the picture at the top sums it up for me.

I appreciate that folks may disagree with my take, but I rarely now read El Reg and this article is a good example of why.

Aviation regulator flies in face of UK.gov ban, says electronics should be stowed in cabin. Duh

Ilmarinen
Thumb Down

That explainer...

... (linked in last sentence of article) is still as crap as the first time it was wheeled out.

Manchester pulls £750 public crucifixion offer

Ilmarinen
Happy

Well I read the thread...

I don't think the £750 was a good plan - better to select someone on the basis of whoever fellow Christians believe should be in Jesus' place.

And sod the safety elves.

And to add a simple engineer's say - I just realized, one Easter, a few years ago: "Fuck me - this bloke died for me" - go figure...

Confidence in £70m customs system has 'collapsed', warns Treasury Committee

Ilmarinen
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Re: Early warning?

"Why didn't that clever Mr Farage warn us about this last June?"

My guess is because he's not that clever, or maybe just in a bubble of yesmen, as May appears to be. Impervious to fact that doesn't fit their narrative.

Richard North (eureferendum.com) has been warning since before this lot even knew what Art 50 woz.

May et al were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off - instead we look set for customs gridlock as we suddenly become a "Third Country" - by our own volition. They have ruled out the only safe transition path, via continued EEA single market participation in EFTA so we will be more than a bit stuffed.

It's been said that civilization is only 3 meal-less days away from riot. I'd prefer not to test this, but as it looks like we will be I'll be stockpiling dried goods and hoping not to get shot for hoarding...

Green software blacked out Australian State

Ilmarinen
Facepalm

Re: False economy?

"Yes really."

How odd that people do what you incentivise them to do !

Parliamentary Trump-off? Pro-Donald petition passes 100k signatures

Ilmarinen

Re: Genuine Question

Thanks for posting the correct link (I should have known that the Beeb one was just wrong).

Seems to me (though I recognize that you probably disagree) that it's fair enough. IIRC refugees only get the right to the nearest safe country, so Uncle Sam is going beyond that in accepting the numbers he has.

And it's their country. And the order makes it plain that they want to exclude folks that don't agree with American Values: "the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including "honor" killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation."

Their gaff, their rules (I write as someone once deported - long story). And they are prepared to evaluate individual cases - they want to be satisfied that each individual is not a threat.

Finally, it would be good (probably much better all round) to encourage countries nearer to Syria, etc and with more similar cultures to take refugees, which I don't think is happening at present (correct if wrong).

Ilmarinen
WTF?

Genuine Question

Has anyone else actually read the executive order that is supposed to have "banned muslims" or whatever the Bad Thing (tm) was ?

Can anyone explain to me how the ban works?

I read it and it seemed to be mostly about the Mexico border and just to insist on the application of existing legislation - presumably enacted by previous administrations.

Just asking (but taking cover ahead of expected "point & shriek" attacks ;-)

Executive order is here

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/executive-order-border-security-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

(link from BBC site http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38786660)

Ilmarinen
Stop

And the silent majority...

...kept silent (although they allowed themselves an inward snigger at all the collective "outrage" and pantie-wetting of the petitionards).

Also amusing was that the Dear Old Beeb seemed to be loosing the Fake News "War on Trump" (see most popular of 7,000+ comments on www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38795998/comments)

Wine 2.0 lands: It's not Soylent for booze but more Windows apps on Linux and Mac OS

Ilmarinen
Go

Re: All is Strange in MS Land

I already went Linux, currently using Wine 1.6.2 and Mint 18. Works for me (& certainly better than the Win 7 / 10 that we've got at work).

Why Theresa May’s hard Brexit might be softer than you think

Ilmarinen
Stop

Re: Richard North spouts rubbish

Nope, it was possible because that's what Art 112/113 of the EEA agreement says you can do (go read). There is no qualification for size of state, nor does the EU get a veto.

However, the point is now moot as May has ruled out the single market (even though on the basis of the plainly wrong belief that it mean ECJ still having direct legal authority), preferring instead the Exciting and Challenging Opportunity (tm) of negotiating and getting ratified a trade deal in a timescale never before seen in the field of human endeavor. Such fun awaits...

Ilmarinen
Facepalm

Re: Dr. North

"he keeps on seeing the EU as a mere trade agreement"

This is incorrect - quite the opposite of the truth. I'd recommend the book "The Great Deception" that he wrote a while ago with Christopher Booker. The main thesis is that the thing always was designed to become, stealthily and bit-by-bit a Supra-National European State.

Your comment illustrates how difficult it is for engineers (such as I am) to navigate in a political world. I ask myself - Is he just spouting stuff ? Does he actually believe what he writes ? Has he any actual knowledge of what he write ? Is he just politiciking in some way (i.e. making stuff up with intent) ?

Ilmarinen
Mushroom

Re: North isn't as smart as he thinks he is

I fear that you are right. Yes, North does facts and detail whereas the political world does lies, ignorance and vacuous stupidity. And it does look as though we will end up with something bloody and irreversible (but probably not short, the rubble will bounce for quite a while).

North is, and has been, arguing for a carefully managed process, using EFTA as a vehicle for the journey. I don't agree that this would mean that you never leave. EFTA is not the EU, and has great potential to be the route to a true Common Market, much as envisaged by Churchill and others back in the day.

Instead, what it looks like we are going to get is an "Event", rather than a "Process", more akin to a high speed plane crash than to a skillfully piloted voyage.

(This is OK I suppose if you like the sound of screaming passengers and have a good stock of tinned goods stashed away. Personally, I'd prefer North's itinerary)

Ilmarinen

@ AC - Article 112

Read again and more carefully:

Article 112 is part of the EEA agreement, it does not require EU permission for EFTA states. The EU only gets a say in the case of EU member states. EFTA states can (and have) applied safeguard measures (aka "emergency brakes") unilaterally.

Yes, UK is not Liechtenstein, but apples and oranges are both fruit, and Article 112 *is* Article 112 (and does what it says in the text). Also see Article 113.

The EEA agreement is here:

http://www.efta.int/media/documents/legal-texts/eea/the-eea-agreement/Main%2520Text%2520of%2520the%2520Agreement/EEAagreement.pdf

North's take on it is here: http://eureferendum.com/documents/BrexitMonograph010.pdf

Ilmarinen
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Re: Defaulting to WTO?

@ AC Defaulting to WTO?:

The UK is a WTO member in its own right. It takes only a few seconds to verify this.

(https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm)

Unfortunately your comment is typical of the quality of the debate, not only amount Anonymous Commentards, but amongst our leaders, press and TV too, which probably explained Richard North's conclusion "We are so totally fucked."

Ilmarinen

Re: Flexcit?

@ AC crappy portmanteau:

You really need to go and read it, and all of Dr North's stuff. Because you will get no useful information from the Beeb, Sky, the press or politicians.

But then we don't information or bothersome facts if we don't mind a plane crash style Brexit...

(Kudos to Andrew for flagging up North's work)

Happy birthday: Jimbo Wales' sweet 16 Wikipedia fails

Ilmarinen

Re: Don't whinge about it, fix it

This was my take on watching the page I cited above. Factual information on the subject, from experts in the subject, was deemed ineligible because it was "original research". References that a pilot had crashed a plane were excluded on the grounds that this was "not notable".

Wikifiddlers with an agenda are far more tenacious than ordinary folks, however expert or well informed, so their version of reality will tend to win out over time.

Ilmarinen
FAIL

It's worse than that Jim...

Although it seems fairly OK for basic factual stuff, it most definitely goes off the rails where the subject is is in any way contentious and then it degenerates into warring factions of wicki-fidelers and competing reality-distortion fields.

I was recently watching the edit war on the Tracey Curtis Taylor page - hilarious - go read the "talk" tab to see how this works. Or see anything to do with Climate Change (tm).

And it only seems to be "The Free Encyclopedia that Anyone can edit" if the "Anyone" has the correct opinions - witness the recent airbrushing from reality of the "The People's Cube" page.

Punchline: You can't trust it further than you can spit ! (but us technical folks all knew that anyway)

2016 just got a tiny bit longer. Gee, thanks, time lords

Ilmarinen
Devil

Good Sporadicity

“Because leap seconds are only introduced sporadically, they have to be manually programmed into computers..."

It means that we still have one weapon against the Rise Of The Machines. Let's keep it that way folks!

(and anyway, with the replacement of analogue TV with digital, the New Year "Bongs" are delayed by a second or so because "codecs")

Russian hackers got Trump elected? Yeah, let's take a close look at that, says Obama

Ilmarinen

Oh look, a (Russian) Squirrel !

Much more interesting than those boring old emails.

The UK's Investigatory Powers Act allows the State to tell lies in court

Ilmarinen
Unhappy

jury nullification

Jury nullification, as in the Clive Pontin trial, only works when the jury is aware of the evidence.

If the Crown is "making stuff up" and there is no possibility of evidence to the contrary the defendant is doomed.

And, if there is no chance of being caught out in making stuff up, why should they not do so, especially if the aim is to get a "bad-un" locked up?

Fallout from Euro Patent Office meltdown reaches Dutch parliament

Ilmarinen

Hummm...

I know nothing about this other than what I've just read - but I note:

- Union says manager is bad man and nobody likes him

- Manager says union officials abusing position and harassing dissenters

- El Reg article reads like propaganda piece

Next!

AWS shines light on Virginia solar scheme

Ilmarinen
Stop

Well good, maybe, if it's your own money...

...if you can turn a profit using solar energy that's great - maybe show us all how it's done.

But if you need to take any subsidy, other people's money, then you'd just be troughing at the public teat, like Musk. So I hope you wouldn't do that.

Virgin Galactic and Boom unveil Concorde 2.0 tester to restart supersonic travel

Ilmarinen
Happy

Oh Yes Please...

Flew in G-BOAC one time. Beautiful machine.

Actually running the aircraft was profitable, after the huge dev cost had been written off.

It pains me that after so many years there is no replacement.

Nor do I think there will be because: Greens.

Remember when Bristol stopped hearing that double-boom because some activists (bless 'em) got the daily incoming flight to go subsonic earlier to stop "Noise Pollution". And all the squawking about noise in the Good 'Ole US of A when it all started (mainly cos they didn't have a Concorde).

Good luck to them, though, I hope they succeed. I'll take a ride :-)

PS: IIRC the afterburners were only used for going transonic - a little push in the back, like the kick-down on a fast car.

What went wrong at Tesco Bank?

Ilmarinen

Cui bono?

"Tesco Bank could be fined nearly £2bn under GDPR rules for this incident."

Nice little earner for someone - local gov? EU?

All paid for by bank customers and shareholders who've already been scammed "for theft of £2.5m"...

(just wondering)

Kotkin: Why Trump won

Ilmarinen
Happy

Re: To understand what happened...

And so too with the Grauniad's broadcast wing, our own dear BBC, with articles such as: "A survivor's guide to unexpected voting results" complete with pictures of weepy loosers. They really cannot understand, poor mites...

(I expect the right minded will loose in the long run, but let's at least enjoy our two wins this year before they change the rules to outlaw "wrong" voting)

Ilmarinen

Re: The real reason is...

Think it might be just a wind up (but you never do know!).

Ilmarinen
Happy

Re: Labels, labels, labels . .

Well said Andrew.

And nice that you are still here :-)

Ilmarinen

Popular Vote (Re: It's not "why", it's "how")

Yes, I've been watching this. If we take out the likely dead and bussed voters it's probably narrowly for the Trump.

Leaked paper suggests EM Drive tested by NASA actually works

Ilmarinen
FAIL

"Newton's Third Law of physics" (sic)

aka "Newton's Third Law of Motion" in the rest of the universe ;-)

Parliamentarians ask Obama to withdraw Lauri Love extradition request

Ilmarinen
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Re: Just don't send him

@Commswonk

The very words that I was about to write.

And the problem is that he won't be tried before extradition - or even have evidence presented to demonstrate that there is a case to answer. Uncle Sam just gets to say "Trust Me" and we'll ship him out.

Whereas, if it were a US citizen that Blighty wanted to extradite we'd need to show Probable Cause.

Why is it that our government is happy to deport our own people to a foreign country without examining the evidence?

Natwest online payments go down

Ilmarinen
FAIL

"making payments to new and existing payees"

That'd be all of then then - except the future ones.

Tossers.

'What this video game needs is actual footage of real gruesome deaths'

Ilmarinen

Re: To do anything else would be dishonest

"I've never seen a conical pig!"

I think they're a bit like the Bonsai Kittens...

Ilmarinen

Badgers Badgers Badgers (Re: There Is More To Add)

"no recognised benefit of killing badgers"

Except of course to hedgehogs (now quite rare here since the Badger Boom).

And it would stop the stripey vermin digging up gardens/playing fields/churchyards.

No predators you see (other than cars)

And no, not a good idea to re-introduce wolves to swallow the badgers, as the old lady found out with the fly ;-)

US Congress blew the whistle on tax-dodging Apple, claims Europe

Ilmarinen

Re: So much bleating about "avoiding" taxes...

I think you missed the point: why is so much money being taken by government, local, national and suprEUnational?

Quite a lot of tax seems to be spent on things that I don't think the victims of taxes would think worthwhile paying voluntarily: aircraft-less carriers, foreign wars, "Diversity Outreach Coordinators", High Speed Trains, MPs' expenses, etc.

And let's get clear about "tax avoidance", whether "schemes" or individual choices (working fewer hours, buying cheaper petrol, not smoking tobacco): tax avoidance is entirely legal. And, if you are a company director, paying no more tax than the law demands is your duty to your shareholders (which includes working folks pension funds).

Some level of taxes and public expenditure are necessary for civilisation, but more than that is not better. I think we need fewer government leaches and fewer SJWs complaining that not enough taxes are being paid (often while themselves sucking on the public teat).

Ilmarinen
Mushroom

So much bleating about "avoiding" taxes...

...so few bleats about why taxes are so high.

Dwarf planet Ceres has a watery secret: An 11 mile wide ice volcano

Ilmarinen
Headmaster

Re: planet?

Not dwarf planet - PORG: Planet Of Restricted Growth

NASA tried turning lost spacecraft STEREO-B off and on again... but it didn't work. True story

Ilmarinen

Re: "...their orbit drifted further away to the other side of the Sun..."

Yes... and I thought "Having the Sun wedged in between made communication with Earth nearly impossible as the solar wavelengths make the environment too noisy to pick up signals from Earth" showed a real deep understanding of all the science stuff too. Maybe just a Rocket Wo/man?

(but we do like SPAAACE, so carry on)

Email proves UK boffins axed from EU research in Brexit aftermath

Ilmarinen
Stop

Oh dear, how sad, never mind.

Looked at the web site: seems to be offering free money to any "research" based only on the criterion that there are two or three collaborators in different European institutions*: Public Teat - Suck Here.

I think I'd prefer my EU taxes spaffed on something a bit more targeted - you know, to something potentially useful? Or maybe spent locally and not sent to the EU at all?

*NB: it specifies EU "or associated" countries - so you can be an EEA state (not in the EU), or one of dozens of others (see their list) and still get to suck on that teat, if that's your academic income stream.

So, Brexit not to blame, just petty politics ;-)

Captain Piccard's planet-orbiting solar aircraft in warped drive drama

Ilmarinen

Re: Oh come on...

Quite - but I don't expect it will be "voluntary" for the plebs upon who it is "voluntarily" inflicted by the great and the good.

cf. Blighty's Climate Change Act - voluntarily voted in by MPs, with the consequent costs inflicted on the poor (but with nice subsidies to the rich).

The Great Brain Scan Scandal: It isn’t just boffins who should be ashamed

Ilmarinen
Coat

MODERATION (Re: Phrenology)

OK: As you say. My mistake.

Must be some other reason for the delay that I've noticed with various articles & commentards. In this case 18 mins, but often hours. Any thoughts?

(2110 UTC)

Ilmarinen
Holmes

Re: Phrenology

Indeed - Matt Briggs (he of "torturing the data to produce tiny P values") has a nice "told you so" piece on this - http://wmbriggs.com/post/19230

Scientism - so modern, and so much better than religion or philosophy ;-)

(presses "Submit" @ 2040 UTC, expecting long delay 'cos Andrew always does MODERATION)

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