Re: At the risk of being branded misogynst...
AC was talking crock, based on misogyny.
65 posts • joined 28 Jan 2014
So predictable with your assumptions about why women don't work in your industry and men don't work with young children. And lightly sprinkled with just about the right amount of idiotic trigger phrases for the right-wing libertarians who don't really like women very much.
But, hey, let's not worry about the real societal causes for such large inequalities in certain countries (but not all, but we won't mention those because that damages your little argument, doesn't it?).
It's along shot I know but I'm going to bet you have a micropenis, amirite? You've seen who the President of the USA is, ok? Seen how creepy and revolting he is in his attitudes towards women? Creepy men are creepy men, status is irrelevant.
You need to go home and have a long hard think about why you seem to have a problem with women who dare to stand up for themselves. Oh, and you should be concerned that your paper trail might result in you being sued, you creep.
Women have to fix all the problems in life? I didn't realise. As someone has already said on this article, it's our fault we get paid less so perhaps it's men's fault they don't get many teaching jobs?
If you pay attention to what feminists want it is equality for all, and there are several schemes to recruit men into teaching (particularly primary schools) since society loses out by having such a discrepancy. There have been schemes to promote men into widwifery as well. And what have *you* done to encourage men into other roles, or are you just hanging back to wait for the women to sort out your roles as well?
Every time there is an article like this on El Reg you just know it is going to attract some of the more unpleasant sexist posters. There is absolutely no reason to drop to the level of the average Daily Mail article with terminology like feminazis and SJWs, unless you want to signal your own blatent sexism to others. Why not try and be open minded about the causes of some of these problems? Yes, the numbers of women working in IT is small, and yes it is because less women apply, and yes it's because less women study relevant qualifications. No, what can we all do to change that? It's not spout the same old tripe about forcing women to do work they don't like, that we're all "different". It's about addressing why society has this bias in the first place, for both men and women. Why shouldn't we all get to do what we want when it comes to work and not be told as children only one gender does a certain type of role.
Some time the idiots that post on these articles leave me in despair.
So you are okay with the Russians flying into our airspace on a weekly basis, unchallenged. Interesting approach to national security you have. I quite like the idea of make sure we go an investigate and shoo people who shouldn't be above us away. But of course, the Typhoons only kill people right? And the UK doesn't need defending?
You're conflating "thinking differently" with "the sexes natural traits", as did the idiot author of the brofesto. Your thoughts are a result of nurture and nature, that's the issue. And there biological differences in brains between genders have been shown to have a tiny impact compared with the nurture element.
"Oh P. Lee, you sound lovely, really lovely. I bet the women are flocking to spend time in your company."
"Personal attacks just make your argument look weak."
Oh Adam, Adam, Adam, something about you makes me thing I don't care what you think of my compliment of P. Lee. He implied women who work don't care about their families. Did you have a little word with him as well? No, strange that, wonder why. Men of course love their families no matter what they do because they are...MEN!
And as for the rest of your rationalisation of why it's okay to pay part-time workers less per hour than full time workers, good luck with that. You're in denial, particularly if you cannot accept women don't climb career ladders to the same height as men. But, still, I'm sure it's lovely in your little (presumably women-free) bubble.
Oh P. Lee, you sound lovely, really lovely. I bet the women are flocking to spend time in your company.
a) I'd take a bet that almost all women care about their families and whether they work or not does not affect that. Men with families to care for mainly go to work - are you...suggesting they don't care for their families? Women go to work for many reasons - because they want to, enjoy work, want to help support their families, the same sort of reasons as men.
b) while I think that is true, it shouldn't be. Why should a part-time job earn less per hour than a full time job when the nature of the job is the same? Part-time employees (and a growing number of these are now men, so you may want to start showing a little more concern about this) are no less committed to the time they spend at work then full-time employees.
c) Women often don't climb the career ladders to the same height as men, whether they take career breaks or not.
Why so defensive about getting a pay analysis done? It can benefit everyone if the stats are more transparent, men and women. Celebrate the opportunity instead of trying to hush us up.
I worry about you. You clearly have a lot of pent up resentment against women and you (hopefully, but unlikely) only have the internet to vent your spleen about their womanliness. Do you (reliably) post anti-women tosh on here because you think there are so few around and they won't call you out on your misogynistic nonsense? I'm as unsurprised as someone can be that you miss Milo and his pretty blue tick.
The only special treatment women get on Twitter is sexist abuse and dick pics. How very dare these women be specially protected like that. How dare they breath and type and have views that differ to your own, and then complain when they get threats of rape by scissors or death that get ignored. Bloody self-centred harpies, wouldn't you agree?
You, and your numerous sexist responses on this thread, are really quite vile, as I am sure you are aware.
Women do more in STEM industries than "flash their tits and smile enchantingly", and despite the whinges on this thread, like most men the vast majority deserve their positions and almost certainly deserve equal pay (although probably don't get it). I work with a couple of really lazy (male) shits who astound me with their ability to do nothng, know nothing and yet float to the top. Does it make me assume all men are the same? Does it make me question the whole fairness of men getting jobs in male-domainted fields? No!
Strewth, I wonder why more women don't both with this industry with such nice welcoming people like you shouting your mouth off. Thankfully you are one of the ever-decreasing neanderthals with such bloody stupid, ill-informed views.
You, sir, are spouting pish, pure and simple. You seem worryingly obsessed with women "putting time into fashion". Based on my experience in the engineering field that could cover something as minor as ironing you clothes, having trousers that meet your shoes and brushing our hair. And if you think that makes us less productive then I worry about you, dear.
Fashion is not the reason there is conscious and unconscious bias in the hiring process. Give me strength.
"At one time any one-sided conversation was considered intrusive, but is now generally socially acceptable"
Really? Not on public transport (loud one-sided conversations are still more irritating than a loud double-sided conversation) as our brain expects to hear a response. And while people wandering the streets talking into headphone microphones are increasing, they still look like loonies and make you look for their conversation partner.
Freedom of speech is not the same as a freedom to threaten. Threatening to rape someone with a pair of scissors, after previously announcing the address of the person being threatened, is not covered by freedom of speech and is not just about offence. You'd be arrested for that threat on the street so why not online?
You know what, just because you believe something it doesn't make it a consensus. That takes evidence. The attitude that this is the way it is because girls and women don't like nasty technical tough is lazy, and selfish because you're just saying "I don't have to do anything, assess my behaviour or my working environment or -God forbid - even change your behaviour or environment. And thus propagate the status quo.
If your (incorrectly held) belief were true than the number of women in any technical IT/engineering field would be pretty much consistent across the world. Evidence (included in this article and this one :http://www.engineeringuk.com/View/?con_id=145) show regional differences within Europe, ever wonder why there is a statistically significant difference between apparently similar countries? Perhaps the women in Greece are biologically different to those in Sweden? Or perhaps the education system, peers, parental attitude, work environment and depiction of role models might possibly have an influence?
That personal consensus of yours is looking pretty flaky
But there are schemes to encourage men into nursing, so stop repeating the same tired old stories. You can repeat the "women clearly never want to do STEM" all you want but evidence proves it's not true.
Gender Discrimination and Nursing: Α Literature Review
Nursing remains a predominantly female field in 2012, although the number of men in nursing has increased. About 7 percent of nurses are men, according to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Gender equality cuts both ways in nursing; men are both more likely to succeed in certain areas of nursing and less likely to be hired in others. Male nurses earn higher salaries overall, but more women work part time than men, which impacts both their earnings and their promotion potential.
Mountford was assigned to a midwife in a doctor’s practice, where he found objections came from other professionals rather than the women he was supposed to be caring for. “The GPs there just weren’t keen on having a man doing it, so I was sent to be assistant to another midwife in a community hospital.
Please quote actual figures and don't just make "false accusations of rape are not uncommon" type scaremongering statements. The figure, found by the CPS is in the order of 4%, very similar to any other false claims of other crimes.
CHARGING PERVERTING THE COURSE OF JUSTICE AND WASTING POLICE TIME IN CASES INVOLVING ALLEGEDLY FALSE RAPE AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ALLEGATIONS
Joint report to the Director of Public Prosecutions
by Alison Levitt QC, Principal Legal Advisor, and the Crown Prosecution Service Equality and Diversity Unit
"One such misplaced belief is that false allegations of rape and domestic violence are rife. This report presents a more accurate picture."
"In the period of the review, there were 5,651 prosecutions for rape and 111,891 for domestic violence2. During the same period there were 35 prosecutions for making false allegation of domestic violence and 3 for making false allegations of both rape and domestic violence.
Furthermore, the report shows that a significant number of these cases involved young, often vulnerable people. About half of the cases involved people aged 21 years old and under, and some involved people with mental health difficulties. In some cases, the person alleged to have made the false report had undoubtedly been the victim of some kind of offence, even if not the one which he or she had reported"
Has poor little Craigness been treated badly by the nasty ladies? Sounds like someone has a chip the size of Canada on his shoulder, and MRA-tinted glasses on? Am I right, huh? Or perhaps making up for inadequacies in other parts of his, ahem, life <wiggles little finger suggestively>?
Don't worry Craigness, you're amongst friends here, you can tell us the truth.
That is exactly why there are so few women in tech industries - they are told they can't, they are told they shouldn't, they don't see role models doing it. It's why it's so difficult to increase these numbers. If we can't stop the tide of sodding pink, STEM subjects stand no chance.
Bloody women and their ovaries, taking time off and spending their partner's income. Bad, bad women. Who needs babies eh, we don't need future generations to pay our pensions do we?
To suggest that women are privileged in any sphere in this country (except perhaps the Daily Mail Sidebar of Shame) is an idiotic thing to say, and can only be written by a MRA. Wind your neck in mate, and try and get involved in actual debate instead of mindless denial and pish.
How on earth are you discriminated against? Providing benefits to other people is not the same as discriminating you, you know. If a mother or father wants to take maternity/paternity leave, or even holidays then it does not have a detrimental effect on you. It may be inconvenient, it may be frustrating, but you are personally not discriminated against - you are conflating the two things.
If, now, a woman, that IBM clearly believes contributes to their business is provided with the opportunity to be at work, but also take a short amount of time to express some milk to send to her child then it has no detrimental impact on you, you are not discriminated against. Being jealous, or being inconvenienced because someone is not immediately available is not the same as being discriminated against.
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