Does anyone have a list of hubs that get injured by the floods, as opposed to brushed it off? Should sort the wheat from the chaff.
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Does anyone have a list of hubs that get injured by the floods, as opposed to brushed it off? Should sort the wheat from the chaff.
"Perhaps you are confusing them with the Democratic party and their offshoot the Ku Klux Klan?"
Depends. Did a democrat just pardon Joe Arpaio's racism conviction? Was Trump's father *not* arrested at a KKK rally? How far do black people get in the Republican party compared to the Democrats?
It makes more sense once you realise Republicans never *really* gave up on the whole slavery thing.
Identifying, labelling, demonising, and subjugating those not of your tribe, then taking their stuff, while extracting pleasure from their distress, is a Civilisation 101 "get rich quick" method, and it works nicely.
"Notable exceptions to this trend include the Sun UltraSPARC ..."
Wait... you mean my stack of old Sun kit has suddenly turned into a goldmine?
Honestly, I think the Next Great Wave of Technology will revolve around trying to stop us stabbing ourselves with the previous Great Wave.
There are people out there, right now, splicing up CRISPR sequences and stabbing themselves with it. I can only imagine how CRISPR's inventor feels looking at these idiots.
Google: Well what you're looking for is impossible for a machine to get right all the time, but this is its best guess.
Public (past): Cool, thanks, we acknowledge it's limits (I mean, it *is* only a computer, duh!), but it should help most of the time.
Public (present): This article.
Google needs a tickbox for people to opt out of 'just trying to help'-grade features, and for people who are just looking for any excuse to hate Google.
So this all relies on the ISP being unable to stop you using end-to-end encrypted 443 traffic?
Up next: All Comcast customers must include a Comcast root cert to access the web.
"It was a (very successful) netflix promotion"
Well, it was a very successful motion, certainly. The "pro" bit is open to dispute :
"Hi! Are you the type of person who comes home and cries after bad shit happens, and you watch a favourite something that makes you feel like maybe the world *isn't* full of complete cocks and arseholes? Well come to us, so we can go through your stuff and laugh at you! We will treat you and your precious things with disrespect and scorn, in a way that can't be proved, just like every good psychological tormentor does! And remember, if you leave us, we keep your stuff."
I think the marketing department may have been spending too much time "winning" on Internet forums to remember the point of their department. A sizeable demographic of teenage girls (and anyone who used to be one) will not have appreciated the above subtext or the inevitable follow-on sorry-not-sorry.
I wonder if every intelligent civilisation eventually make an Internet, shortly before it disappears under a molten wave of upvotes, random capitalisation and deliberately decalibrated mental labels.
I wonder if our schools in future will mark exam answers based on accuracy, or popularity.
Musings: What laws are there that prevent people setting up their own comms layer in someone else's comms layer?
If there aren't any yet, I suspect, after Comcast have cleaned their cleavers, there will be. Tell me terrorists have never used VPNs.
I'll throw a real world anecdote on the heap - Guild Wars.
The first Guild Wars game client had crash dumps. On investigation, some of these crash reports were meant to be impossible, but they kept coming in no matter what they tweaked. So far, so familiar.
They had an Old Coder in their ranks. He wrote into the game client some gentle background mathematical and memory doodling; little exercises with known results. These would go back in any crash reports.
Turns out, there's vast swathes of PC hardware out there that can't be trusted not to randomly fumble basic operations. And now they could detect and discard them.
"Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." - Knuth
Maths ≠ calculus either. But in both these mediums, you can *prove* wrongthinking. Would you not want that?
"(Philosophy) And these are all directly applicable through the entire school curriculum and into everyday life, develop language skills and improve thinking. But coding isn't."
I'm currently embroiled in an argument between two entities. One made a request, relative to their local frame of reference. The other interpreted the request, relative to their local frame of reference. A fight is going to ensue, because neither have realised their contexts are our of sync, and neither will be particularly amenable to synchronisation, as both consider their reference to be the Master.
Imagine a philosophy debate, where you sent your philosophy, instead of yourself. Imagine receiving new reasoning, already perfectly aligned to and enhancing your own understanding.
Imagine business processes, in version control, with test suites, and "import uk-tax.law".
If they just taught predicate logic I'd be happy with that for now. I don't honestly know what philosophy does for me. As far as I know, it's just for arguing :)
"It's the best argument ever against "teaching everybody to code", and illustrates why it is not an imperative like "teaching everybody to read", or "teaching everybody to swim" at all."
When only the 'educated' could read and write, the 'average quality' of literary output would have been higher. So, was it a good thing that it was taught to everyone...?
So, when Microsoft tries exactly the same stuff, with their equivalently vast money and influence, why doesn't it work? Did they 'just' buy the wrong startup? Are Google 'just' lucky?
Most of your 'just' things aren't remotely 'just' things. 'Just' a champion AI. 'Just' a self-driving car. 'Just' the most developed browser and phone OS. I think you're wilfully ignoring, well, everything.
But hey, by your own standards, you're 'just' a neural network, yes? :)
Mmm.. no. Google's MO is to enter a known field and solve the problems therein so completely that they make everyone else look bad (unless it involves Social), earning their eternal seething hatred.
That's not the same as 'copying' or 'buying in' or everyone could do this.
Agreed. Any system, where it's easy to get data in, and hard to get it out again, should be avoided or prevented at all costs. If we somehow got acclimatised to such data entrapment it would be fatal for competition.
Now if you'll excuse me, I've got Excel spreadsheets and Word docs to write, according to my Exchange calendar.
"Unless it's malfunctioning why would you ever need to talk to your machine"
Do you only exchange information with an entity when something is wrong?
"Welcome to my world. I'm an application developer"
Hi, I'm the whole stack. Did you know not everything looks like a nail?
"Why should you have lower standards when the target system belongs to your own company?"
'Lower'. Gee thanks. Try 'appropriate'. I use version control and operational acceptance testing too you know.
If you ever want me to find out why your app works on test, but not production, I'll need to talk to the machines. With bespoke scripts, written on the fly. They don't all have the power to blow up the world.
"You should not be relying on them for everyday tasks"
Most of my estate is scripts. A script is a computer language just like any other, unless you want to view it instead as an application configuration, which is equally valid. If you treat it differently based on what it's called instead of what it does, you're holding the wrong end.
I've got scripts in my head I cough up on demand. I've got pages of scripts I wrote yesterday. I've also got scripts doing high availability failover, which go through change control, with peer review.
And yet business processes, which are basically scripts that run on humans, do they go through equivalent change control and peer review? It's data process configuration all the way down...
A binder of printed procedures that you read and manually type in the commands. 1960's stylee
And I say that in full knowledge that this is alive and well, and there are people out there doing that now in response to a computerised alert from expensive computers.
Yes, humans are using computers to run automated scripts on humans using computers. Meatscript.
Great. If the suits latch onto the word 'Scripts' and associate that with 'the power to damage stuff' they will demand all scripts go through The Change Process, and, just like that, I'll only be able to talk to my machines once a week...
So, are your parents fed up yet with you complaining about your DNA during the Christmas dinner? :)
So I take it this is the DDoS merchants displaying their wares and prices before Black Friday's blackouts.
Mobile phone companies may want to think about private peering with banks, and banks may want to think about processing that traffic separately from the rest of the Internet.
Hah! My replacement deskphone is now about the size of a laptop, and this week it forcefully rebooted in the middle of a call in order to install patches. Because it is a laptop. That I only use to make phonecalls. The pills help.
"So, you are upset the article was written in such a way, that it presented the viewpoint of the author strongly enough that you had an emotional response?"
Naw, he's upset that it's dangerous to casually throw things from this height. Also, "Responsibility is proportional to influence" is inscribed on the weapon used in this beating. You didn't notice the crazy hippo?
"isn't that pretty much the objective of every author...ever?"
Er, no. Mined and refined clarity is difficult to make, expensive, and takes skill, and is also the lifeblood of civilisation. I come here to acquire that product. That you can use the same skills to just make popular opiods, while obvious, is not seen as a noble art where I come from.
"Millions" buy quite a few warm bodies that still beat the crap out of any algorithm, because, you know, we're human"
I respectfully call this a pile of poopy. Have you tried moderating the realtime output of the human race lately? Also, have you *seen* humans? They're all biased closed-source algorithms!
You do raise a good point however:
"If you want to pretend to publish news you actually have to put the effort in, shocking as it is."
Should you be allowed to collate news if you don't have human editors? Is it news, or something else, something dangerous?
Should automated public reporting be banned? Should the realtime zeitgeist only be available to human reporters others subscribe to? It might be a way of forcing humans to pay for journalism before their apathy destroys its industry.
For what it's worth I agree with you - I noticed a sudden recent souring of tone on this subject, so that I began making the same assumptions you did, and tellingly, this one is all about attacking the man, not the ball.
There is no point fighting though. Not here. This is a popularity contest, not an exam.
Strewth. This is why I despair of my species. Here we go again.
All those toxic things we're being exposed to are humans. The technology lowers the friction and connects humans together faster. That is its job.
Now people demand that the technology filter the toxic humans out. But, it's not a filter. It never was. And it mustn't be. Demanding they create a working humanity-censoring engine is stupidly dangerous.
Why is hate so delicious these days? Where did all these restaurants of righteous outrage spring from?
"Linus has stated in public that he does not consider security vulnerabilities any different from other bugs. That's a pretty apathetic attitude..."
Your statement is insecure due to it having a vulnerable logical assumption in it.
Feature request: Post icon of Baldrick holding an iron.
"It will be interesting to see how long it takes for this to be cleaned up"
USB has long been one of those things where switching it off in its entirety is good if you can do it.
There are many, many sub-drivers for different esoteric bits of little used USB kit in the kernel tree, that any USB device could bait into life then perhaps blindside. I like to prune the kernel build around here.
However, I don't think any of the other major OS's want to throw stones round here either. Does MS sandbox its squillion USB device drivers? Doesn't Apple's connector allow the device to DMA arbitrary RAM?
Is Google the only one putting solutions on the table here? None of the critics, competitors or the EU have anything workable? Have they defined any properties a solution must have?
You're basically describing why both white and black box testing exist. You can bring order to a system by crystallising it from a core (deduction), or wholly enclosing it and extracting disorder (elimination). And you use both if you're smart.
Open sourcers are fuzz-testing code they themselves wrote, because even the whitest of white boxes doesn't actually prove things as clearly as you'd think. The black box tests still find things. But effective black box testing is very dependant on the devious imagination of the guy writing the test cases. Fuzzing is just pot luck.
But while everyone's spitting on Google's arguments here, I'll point out that if I had access to the App Store automatic viruschecking algorithm, I could ensure it would never catch my daily malware. And if you had access to the search algorithm, you would use it to make your site appear as the top link for everything you could, wouldn't you.
There will always be constant recurring calls to open Google's search algorithm, because that is the best way to kill them (and Internet Search) for good.
That said, a Government Department of Inter-Industry API's would probably be a good thing.
"Don't silence your opponents, counter with a more valid/reasonable argument."
The last time I saw this it was being said by a Gamergater trying to attack that lady who had switched off her comment system due to the abuse, because they wanted, nay demanded, to be able to continue, in the name of fairness!
I've tried the "reasonable argument" thing before - every common neural labelling of an object, concept, or grouping, was disputed to first playschool principles. Even mathematics can be disputed if you demand convincing yet complex explanations loudly enough. Even agreeing on whether someone was alive or dead was a significant victory. It was fascinating. Depressing, but fascinating.
There are ways to construct and explore common thoughtforms, but all parties need training in it, otherwise you're just debating religion. Of course, then the word 'indoctrination' comes up and...
So, people don't like what they see in the metal mirror, eh? Well, we both know which side is solely responsible for changing that.
So, this realtime zeitgeist modification engine that people are talking about:
a) - it exists, is run by evil corporations, and should be destroyed
b) - it exists, is run by evil corporations, and should be given to $trustworthy_unbiased_imaginary_algorithm
c) - doesn't exist, and shouldn't exist, because a)
d) - doesn't exist, and should exist, because humanity needs to be protected
d) - doesn't exist, and should exist, because humanity needs to be censored
e) - doesn't exist, and won't work, because objectivity isn't even a human thing, let alone an algorithm.
f) - doesn't exist, won't work, but will be forced to exist anyway, whereupon everyone and everything will fight over control of it, forever.
The only way you'd get anything approaching a reasonable filter is to tag sources and readers with their various viewpoint polarities, to keep dissonant realities apart, which would of course just create unchallenged singularities which would then tear at the fabric of reality, AND mean everyone just handed over their own psych profile.
I prefer the unvarnished truth, with polarity tags/magnitudes/controls, so I can make my own filter, which will never happen.
You mean something like this https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/overview/containers/ ?
Yes, except on your own PC, like chroot on Unix, jails in BSD, Zones in Solaris...
I've been given a commercial binary to run which I don't trust. I'm putting it in a Zone, and confining its cpu/mem/network/filesystem access. What do you do?
"Unlike Google who's security isn't as good (presumably largely because they are built on *Nix and you can't block root access..."
That's an amazing pile of ground axes and bad assumptions you've got there. Bravo.
Out of interest, what is The MS equivalent of a Container, and how many reboots does it requires to use?
Has anyone seen any breakdown of the Go patterns it rediscovered, perhaps with some translation from a Go practitioner?
In particular, what patterns did it consider important, that the humans don't, yet?
Can a sociologist establish a measurement for the 'temperature' of a group of individuals, and the 'pressure' they are under, and then establish, for each personality type, the number of impacts per time period and force involved in each, required to cause additional energy release from the individual, escalating the reaction rate, or whether the impact energy is absorbed causing deformation of the structure?
Funny how the same patterns can be found at different scales.
While we're in the neighbourhood, what *is* it with Cinemas and their basic failure to grasp information display tech?
I once wandered into a a cinema on impulse and looked for the display of which films were up soon, and what those films were about.
There is no such display. They only have posters advertising things that they are NOT showing yet.
If you're lucky, you'll find the screen that cannot fit in the names and times of the mere half dozen films, and needs to rotate around them, while also showing something else. Nothing, anywhere will tell you what those films are about.
And after that I go to the snack section, and find they've installed new wizzbang displays which constantly rotate menus around between adverts (all monitors rain skittles or fill with pepsi, all menus lost) so there is nowhere you can look to get an overview of what you can buy. Oh, and the hotfood menu is a lie, that closed at 9pm. A paper printed menu would get them more sales.
And when I use my browser to look up local films in advance, I end up using Google's film search, because all of the cinema websites are slow and *terrible*.
From a shop/UI design point of view, cinemas appear to be completely, stark raving, mad.
"I think it's called 'reap what you sow'"
That doesn't work when you're sowing it in their name.
"Don't forget, this is the outfit that told the world it should get over not having any privacy"
And that was a stupid comment by Schmidt IIRC, who I don't trust. But emotion and facts are different things, and Schmidt isn't Google, and what he says isn't what they do.
Point at things Google *do* rather than are *accused* of doing, and I'll take you more seriously.
Dude, seriously, Google are providing the link, not the traffic. That's run by (what's left of) the existing local telcos.
What does it mean for a forum when fear, hatred and false accusation make the most popular posts?
"Had Microsoft done the same thing as they had in the console market and dropped the "Windows" branding..."
Wouldn't work. How do I know? Well, I hold in my hand a Microsoft phone..
I stood in a datacentre, showed it sadly to a contractor, dialled the office, then showed him the unexpectedly ironic reboot logo. Sometimes when I receive phone calls, it stutters and lagdeaths because there's something spinning in the background. Sometimes when it gets an SMS it crashes.
I installed the Lumia camera app, and then lost control of the camera, because it fought with the default camera app, and different triggers started different apps. I had to Google to work out how to switch on the flashlight (download an app, naturally) and how to reset the Exchange plumbing.
It's not the Microsoft *LOGO* that's the problem. The problem is that if you removed it, you could still tell pretty quickly that this is Microsoft-quality software.
I'm not sure any of that matters. He's not pressing the right buttons yet. I haven't seen Right to be Forgotten invoked.
But above and beyond all that, he's a prime plonker for changing name, then Streisanding all of his old actions onto his new name.
If the EU actually wanted to solve this, they'd define a market product data interchange format and exchange. They'd be able to track and kill counterfeiters with it too.
They don't *know* what a fair solution is. They have just declared they will punish Google until, basically, Google make them feel in control again, by providing an unspecified something that's not guaranteed to even exist. Google's only solution may be to *never* integrate specialised search results in general search results, which makes everything dumber, as the future's on the other side of that tech.
Consider how an AI answers "Where's the nearest place to buy a good hammer" and how many competing map, location, shop, products, recommendation engines could be involved in a verbal answer?
An auction would, “simply create an additional anti-competitive barrier..."
So, what product property do they want to compete on and who measures it, if they don't want to include either money, or who the customer chooses to go to to find things?
It's a very strange state of affairs to fight over real-estate *within* a competitor's shop, and then complain that the shop owner has an unfair advantage.
"work that I used to be able to do with a small device in my coat pocket."
Bingo. Have a pint :-) One of the few phones you could ssh in with, then write keyboard-symbol soup/shellscript in screen, without screaming.
So, will we get enough source for its hardware/driver specs to be able to support it ourselves if the manufacturer goes under?
This is a concern for me. My backup phone is already an unsalvagable pile of decaying Android security vulnerabilities because the manufacturer didn't release enough data for anyone else to save it after they discarded it.
I don't *want* to have to throw this one away.
Speaking as someone who's been waiting about a decade for something like this, and will bite your arm off for it, yes, there is a market, even if it's only "specialist".
And by specialist I mean people who pour data into computers, and need a proper input system, rather than passively drawing information from them, as 99% of people do. This market segment will always exist.
I now watch people who are oncall take their laptops with them to the pub, to be able do work that I used to be able to do with a small device in my coat pocket. Losing such devices was not progress.
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