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It's Time that Google forgot

Dr Stephen Jones

RTFA

Kevin Whitehead - Do you really think "serious AI" is required to find a date in a text file in the format "dd Month yyyy" and for the searchbot to record the time of indexing? Really?

Can I interest you in some attractive Mortgage Backed Securities?

Most of this article seems to have gone right over your head - my guess is you were speed reading, not thinking, and got confused, but decided to comment anyway. Instead of trying to break the world speed record for typing, why not have a look?

http://www.altavista.com/web/adv

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Everyone's fault except Google!

I see the Google fanboys have found this.

@Kevin - try RTFA.

If Altavista could offer search-by-date in its main search index 12 years ago, why can't Google offer search-by-date today?

They can, obviously - but they don't want to.

What's the cost of global warming?

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@ Julian's political correctness

"The Register seems to love posting Global Warming sceptic stories. I like the 'bad science' angle, which is valid, but I'm dubious about the motives."

You owe me a new keyboard.

Do you apply your political correctness test generally? For example, say a publication exposes fraudulent accounting / Windows security hole / virus / etc. Are you dubious about the publication's motives then, too?

Since when was debunking bad science conditional?

Educating Verity

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Garbage in, Garbage out

@AC: "Would you rather that they only send you good papers to read?"

One would expect that Open University tutors can distinguish between a good paper and a bad paper. It is far from clear that whoever is responsible for M885 can, or even cares in the slightest.

This course should be suspended from the OU syllabus and the competence of the tutors independently investigated. Once they have been dragged from the golf course.

Kids may benefit from mobiles in class

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NuLab quango

About BERA:

"Who are our members? A broad church of researchers

When BERA was first formed in 1974, psychologists predominated in education, then the sociologists surfaced, to be followed by the action researchers. Today BERA encompasses psychologists, sociologists, historians, and philosophers among the discipline-oriented members; a strong contingent of educationists with special interests in curriculum, pedagogy, assessment, or management; and those taking either a theoretical, or evaluative or action-research perspective on education.

It is widely agreed that the over-arching research concern of these educationists is the critically informing of educational judgements and of decisions aimed at improving educational action. This concern makes for a duality of policy/practice-focused research, with a concern to advance practical wisdom in educational matters, and of discipline-focused research, with a concern to advance theoretical knowledge in educational settings, in terms of psychological or sociological phenomena and/or philosophical, economic or historical issues.

The potential audiences for both aspects of research are practitioners, policy-makers and academics. Methodologically, many policy/practice-focused researchers are engaged in studies of singularities (ie studies enclosed in narrow boundaries of space and time), while many discipline-focused researchers are searching for general statements. BERA aims to embrace all of these researchers and audiences, and provides opportunities at its conferences and in its publications for all to contribute."

http://bera.caret.cam.ac.uk/blog/2008/09/mobile-phones-help-secondary-pupils-to-connect-with-their-lessons/

So no teachers, and nobody who has ever had a real job.

And what was that about singularities?

Is green storage a dead end?

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Back to the caves

The Greenies won't be satisfied until they've destroyed all industry, not just data storage.

Then we can sit around trying to fend off malaria with organic, homeopathic "medicine", while we contemplate the wickedness of our ways.

Praise be to Gaia!

The Guardian's excellent Web 2.0 blog-up

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@Jon: "Positive Change"

@Jon:

"I'm getting mine if the spitefulness against people wanting to achieve positive change doesn't let up in the comments."

Why is environmentalism "positive" change? Is it positive when the lights go out, because the Greens have stopped us building coal, gas or nuclear power stations?

Is it positive that we will have to sacrifice so much of our leisure time for pointless gestures if they get their way?

Is it positive that developing countries are denied economic development, to take their populations out of poverty (and charity), and the high infant mortality rates that go with poverty?

Funny definition of "positive" you have there.

Maybe the eco-critics are not being spiteful, but rational - and you've just backed a lousy cause? "Get Poorer For Gaia" is an idea that most people find revolting, and will never be accepted in a democracy.

In all, it just sounds like you want a free pass from criticism.

The FDRs of Green explain the gentle art of planet saving

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@bart

"How long do we expect to continue growth on a planet with finite resources?"

Easy. We invent some more.

You could have asked the same eco-alarmist question in 1500, when all the forests were being chopped down. Panic everyone! - what will we use for fuel? Fossil fuels done us nicely, we're at the stage when we can use nuclear and renewables, and we'll never have to worry about an energy crisis again. Similarly with food technology and agricultural production. They may not be evenly distributed, but no one needs to go hungry.

"Its about the fact that the planet is quickly becoming and may already be overpopulated."

That's not a fact, that's a prejudice. And this "optimum" population is defined by... er, you?

Malthus was wrong then, and he's wrong now.

The return of Killer Chlorine

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Roger Highfield ...

... is the new editor of New Scientist.

"Roger is a formidable force in science journalism. He has immense knowledge and wisdom and is brimming with new ideas," said Jeremy Webb, New Scientist's editor-in-chief. The magazine is right at the centre of all these efforts and we need a strong, creative editor to lead it."

http://www.journalism.co.uk/8/articles/531914.php

I think the chlorine article demonstrates what Webb means by "creative" - makestuffup.

My subscription lapsed a few years ago - I won't be renewing it.

Google unfurls less laughable Wikipedia

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Poor Chris Bidmead

....It sounds like his favourite hobby horse has been shot. Humour is usually wasted on the humourless, Cade.

While most of the media couldn't get far enough up Jimmy Wales back passage, The Register has done an outstanding job explaining the fatal flaws in the project. Cade Metz's description of "cult" is very appropriate indeed. Wikipedia is harmless if no one believes it - but then why bother?

Chris, it sounds like you're the one in Wonderland. Maybe you should start your own.

Are the ice caps melting?

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@Rupester

The point is that a hypothesis needs evidence if it is to be taken seriously as a basis for public policy. It must be demonstrably "better" than rival theories. The hypothesis is specifically that the human contribution to CO2 levels is causing dangerous warming. The policy implications are mitigation, adaptation, or a combination of the two.

My argument is that the hypothesis is "not proven" - and you have a variety of responses to that.

One is to appeal to a general theory, which is widely accepted.

"The physics is that CO2 absorbs IR re-radiated from the earth If you have any observations to disprove that, I'd be intrigued..."

Of course that doesn't advance your case. (Clue: human element missing).

Another is to say that "warming" doesn't imply "warming". An analog to the rebranding exercise of "Global Warming" to "Climate Change".

Then, perhaps realising you haven't found the smoking gun, you appeal to emotion:

"So, if I worry about AGW I have: Basic physics + predictive theory + measured data on imputs + observed (if noisy data) on outputs confirm causaility" => all of which confirm why I ought to be worried. I would describe that as 'a rational response to a quantifiable risk'"

And I would describe that as a laundry list of reasons to be worried, with the primary reason missing. No one ever calls themselves irrational, but some people are psychologically prone to worry. Some people stay at home on Friday 13th. Others run around unplugging the school WLAN. But there's no basis for policy making there, "eg close schools and workplaces on Friday 13th".

Ultimately you're arguing that it doesn't need proof at all. In which case why bother at all? Because worrying is theraputic?

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@Rupester

"The level of blatant ignorance, people who can't / won't think for themselves, or even try to understand basic science."

I agree, Rupester. Before the enlightenment, social policy was set by authority from interpretations of the word of God. Then rationality and deduction came along, and we demanded that theories require evidence before use them as the justification for policy.

"Lets start with the simple facts: CO2 absorbs infra-red. More CO2 => more heat aborbed and the temperature goes up. CO2 levels have gone up 50% and are accelerating, so heat will go up more."

The facts pertain to a hypothesis, which is an interesting one. But there is no indication that that recent rapid rises in CO2 have *caused* the predicted effects: the CO2 and temperatures are out of phase. Your challenge is to demonstrate proof that human agency has significant effects on climate that cannot be explained by variance in natural phenomena. (The key here is significant). Correlation does not equal causation, however, and unless your hypothesis can find this evidence to support it, then it's as useful or worthless as any other hypothesis.

For example, I challenge you to disprove *my* hypothesis that the cosmos is turtles all the way down. Can you prove me wrong? But then it's incumbent on the person advancing the hypothesis to provide compelling evidence. Anecdotes ("I think I saw a turtle…" will not do. Nor will computer models that produce turtle shapes.

Without this evidence, you're navigating entirely using Belief.

"I do not have a scientific model to prove my house will burn down this year but I still pay buildings insurance"

Well, this shows you haven't been entirely convinced by anecdotal evidence or computer models - or perhaps you've taken a close look at the IPCC's summary of scientific understanding and discovered that scientific knowledge of natural forcing factors is officially classed as "LOW". In other words, much more research needs to be done.

But in saying "maybe, maybe not, don't matter" then trying to justify that position, you're getting confused. Taking out insurance is a rational response to a quantifiable risk.

The rational response here is a) find out whether there is a problem b) whether we need to do anything about it and c) dependant on a) and b, then weigh the costs and benefits of both mitigation and adaptation strategies.

Agreed? You've simply flown from a) to c) using Belief as your guide, to gloss over the missing logic. Presumably because you find the End-Times myth making compelling.

Eco-activist gets tougher with gadget makers

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@ Jeremy: sustainability

"... but the message they are telling you and the manufacturers is the current human activity is not sustainable."

Human activity is sustainable, provided we do what we have always done.

People like you were probably sitting around when man first invented fire, complaining that was "unsustainable" too, and could we all go back to the caves and freeze?

Some things don't change with greens: superstition, primeval

earth-worship, hatred of science, and hatred of people. Greenpeace just wear more clothes today. They're just as miserable as they always have been.

We've harvested your green computing views

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Self-selection bias

To Mr Vile, and whoever commissioned this poll at The Register:

Your defence of this statistical garbage is even more troubling than Tebbutt's original article. May I suggest you learn something about self-selection bias before wasting our time with further polls?

Surveys which fail to account for self-selection bias are meaningless. Would you publish a poll on attitudes to the Police, without first finding out how many respondents are in the Police force?

Heavyweight physics prof weighs into climate/energy scrap

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Bombing brown people

@Steen:

"How many brown people we are going to have to bomb/invade/kill/starve in each scenario to maintain our inefficiencies and profligate abuse of energy?"

Don't worry, Al Gore's probably working on it.

But remember - people have long memories and may one day remember your attempts to prevent them having decent living standards, health and education.

Navy sonar dolphin 'massacre' - the facts

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It's those evil corporations again!

@Jamie - "It has also been suggested that ExxonMobil's seismic surveys caused whales to beach off Madagascar."

http://www.climate-resistance.org/2008/06/huffing-and-puffin-on-isle-of-maybe.html

If the Greenies can't find something to bash their favourite targets, they'll just make it up.

Painting by numbers: NASA's peculiar thermometer

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Excellent article - just one question

Why do Americans pay NASA to lie to them?

New Microgeneration report - what it actually says

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@Population Coward

"So do we pretend that this is never going to happen or face the fact that eventually we are going to hit the limit of a resource and things are going to get painful."

Like when we almost ran out of whale blubber?

"Obvioulsy, sticking our head in the sand is much easier..."

You're the one sticking your head in the sand. Resource "constraints" are only a problem if we don't invent new ones, or stop finding better ways of exploiting the ones we know about. That's been a successful strategy for a few thousand years.

By all means, scare yourself sh*tless if you want to - everyone needs something to get worked up about. But your argument won't persuade anyone rational.

Games consoles not green enough, claims Greenpeace

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BAN this decadent capitalist extravagance!

Another victory for irrationality.

"Still, without Greenpeace nagging at companies and lobbying of governments, would Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have achieved this much? We suspect not."

Achieved what? Bowing to a non-existent threat?

Greenpeace would be even happier if there were no games consoles - they're a decadent capitalist extravagance. As is anything modern. People must be made to be as unhappy as possible.

Remember that Greenpeace is never low on funding. Their annual budget in 2005 was 173 million Euros -

http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/international/press/reports/annual-report-2006.pdf

All they need is gullible journalists who can reprint the manufactured scare stories without question.

Neighbourhood Watch 2.0: Your tensions are being monitored

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Alien-o-meter

So in other words, minding your own business and happily letting other people get on with theirs is now a quantifiable risk to society.

Have bureaucrats run out of things to measure?

@ John Lettice:

"They do to some extent cover the differences between multi-ethnic urban environments and rural communities. In the case of the latter, they suggest that the panic button threshold (not exactly what they call it) should be lower."

Thank heavens for that. Now I can file an official complaint not only against gypsies, but people who may have stood in the sun too long. That complexion looks funny to me.

Gender politics has a tape measure at last: one on which we're all presumed guilty.

Is the earth getting warmer, or cooler?

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Mark says it all (without trying)

@Evan - Progressive politics used to be about making the poor better off.

Now it's about ensuring they stay poor, with sanctimonious middle class Greens making ostentatious signs of how they are making sacrifices.

Fortunately this agenda is electoral suicide.

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@Mark

"Because most government agencies with a lot of computing power ARE NOT ALLOWED. They must obey their remit. In the case of weather prediction, that is predicting the weather. Much more lucerative is to use the computing power to predict stock market fluctuations..."

The remit of government agencies is to provide "evidence" that the government likes to hear. The clue's in the name.

"Are you now saying that scientists DON'T just lie or exaggerate to get grants?"

When the dominant narrative wants to hear X, government agencies scurry off and produce strategy boutique PDFs or computer models that affirm the narrative.

All government agencies compete for finite tax bucks, so if they don't eat, they'll get eaten. Viz. - MI5 expanding into the "War on Terror"/"War on Drugs" or weather forecasters becoming "climate experts".

You're almost there, Mark. One more heave.

Dr Stephen Jones

@ ratfink

"Huh?... Did you just imply the human species is great because we invented ECONOMIC SYSTEMS??"

No, you inferred that. Only an idiot venerates the processes, or thinks our economic management is anywhere near good enough.

"Paris, because I have more respect for her than for the economic models."

We're agreed then.

Since you are already skeptical of the value of climate models (garbage in - magic out) you've already identified the means. Now you can identify the motive.

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At last! The True Colour of "Green..."

@ Lego: "The fact is, we are a species that is short-sighted, wasteful, self-centered, motivated by greed, with an attitude of entitlement. "

As a species we're also incredibly inventive and creative. We never stop being inventive and creative. We devise economic systems that put our inventiveness and creativity all over the planet.

I hear what you're saying: you hate humans and you hate being one yourself. You'd be happy if most of the humans disappeared and the planet was left to itself.

I'm so glad you've found a cause where you can put this into practice.

"This article reminds me of those Fundamentalist religious types..."

It takes one to know one.

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Simon Pope - thank you

"I am dismayed that some readers appear to genuinely believe that scientists have a vested financial interest in pushing climate change and creating a panic. "

But what I think dismays you the most, Simon is that the public is very aware how "science" works. They can read junk science every day in the Metro freesheet, or pay for it in the Daily Mail or Grauniad.

Very few of the scientists want to create a panic - but as Mad Mike says, all want to continue to work in scientific research.

The Piper calls the tune.

Nokia predicts IBM 360 of mobile phones

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David Pogue

So some child receives too much doting attention before kindergarten starts, and 40 years later the consequences are... this.

I blame the mother.

Global-warming scientist: It's worse than I thought

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Do not listen to the heretics. Repeat: do not...

@Andrew Simmons

"Oh and incidentally "this NASA bloke" is in fact the head of the Goddard Institute of Space Studies, and is one of the most respected scientists in the field"

Sure. And Captain Cyborg is a respected cybernetics expect. He really is.

".... Solid, well researched and authoritative sources of scientific knowledge."

Let us know when you find any science in "climate science".

(Paris, because she's a flimsy model too)

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Hansen "invented" Global Warming

Which is a problem now that the Earth has been cooling for ten years (while CO2 has increased).

So The Emperor has to make his scare stories more terrifying. Or people might notice what he's wearing.

Al Gore's green job bonanza - can we afford it?

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You'll be lucky, Tim.

"But then I try not to let what benefits me personally colour my view of the larger elements of the picture."

That's not allowed around here. Another Tim summed it up very nicely in the last comment:

"spending billions and billions on pointless quangos, regulation designed by closet marxists to make ordinary people miserable, and make-work programme"

All these boondoggles directly benefit The Grauniad readers, the only people in Britain who think working for an eco-quango is a productive and valuable job.

That leaves the make-people-miserable brigade, and they can't wait to start going through your rubbish, telling you to turn the lights out, and imposing Maltusian limits on developing countries.

At least we can see "Climate Change" for what it is - a Death Cult.

The Guardian ditches Phorm

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Is there a libertarian newspaper?

@Richard "Independent - Or are they the UK's libertarian newspaper of choice?"

The Indie was a contender until it discovered "Global Warming".

Probably only the Telegraph is libertarian now. All the others are more interested in bullying us to change our behaviour.

Minister wants more mashups

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Minister not a Reg reader?

He obciously doesn't read The Register, and prefers the quasi-religious psychobabble he gets from his advisors.

Any chance of an interview where you could enlighten him? Sending him a link to these comments would be an excellent start.

Vote now for your fave sci-fi movie quote

Dr Stephen Jones

Wot - no Solaris?

http://www.mooviees.com/2422/quotes

Virgin biofuel jumbo trials won't use algae

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Just what the Malthusians want

"Double the price of food staples and you will get widespread famine"

So biofuels make poor people in developing countries suffer, while curing the guilt of the affluent?

This is what makes them so perfect for the Population-Kontrollers who are driving the "Global Warming" scam.

Glove, meet hand.

Die for Gaia, save the planet?

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All's well that ends well

@Serenity:

"The claim that technology, or for that matter affluence and any number of other variables, sustains or limits population to X is ludcirous in that it is not conclusively supportable by any scientific, or even rational, information in the present human era. "

Only if you have your head stuck up your bum.

All the evidence points in the opposite direction. On all the available evidence we have, affluence is the surest factor that causes the birth rate to fall to sustainable levels. When the infant mortality rate is 80 per cent, mothers will have ten kids to see two survive. Or even 2.2.

And guess what happens when the infant mortality rate falls to zero? Mothers want ... 2.2 children. Peter Dawe:

"All the people I know talk about 'affording' children"

Exactly. We provide our own population valve.

So why do you hate affluence so much, Serenity? Middle-class guilt?

Try travelling a bit. And seeing people as something more human than an ethnic walk-on part in your own personal psychodrama.

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Bedwetters vs rationality

Fear vs rationality

The definition of "fear" and "scare" is holding an irrational anxiety, one that is not supported by the evidence. I'm surprised by the number of commenters who fall into this category.

If you view technological and scientific innovation as some kind of "miracle", and therefore a "risky" strategy, then you're ignoring the evidence of history. Technological and scientific innovation are why we don't still live in caves, and why we're not dying of typhoid or TB in large numbers.

To assume otherwise - "We're Doomed!" - may appeal to bedwetters, but is quite an irrational view to take. We know we have the brainpower: all it takes is judiciously directed scientific investment over a wide range of areas, and a working economic system. Unfortunately scientific investment is being directed towards a very narrow area: proving we're doomed!

To paraphrase FDR, the only thing we have to fear are the bedwetters themselves.

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Scratch a Green, uncover a Nazi

Excellent piece.

There has always been a nasty strand of people-hating just under the surface of ecological politics. In the 1970s, Porritt and Goldsmith advocated population kontrol and nobody wanted to know them. The CO2 fright gives them another chance to crawl out of the woodwork.

What all the population-kontrollers seem to miss is that we regulate our population naturally and without coercion, thank you very much. That's not good enough for some people, who will always insist on their right to deny us ours.

Big Climate's strange 'science'

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The Priesthood is getting nervous

Predictably, the comments here are divided into two categories: people who want to debate the subject, and people who want to attack the commenter (and/or El Reg) for airing a point of view they don't like. Eg,

"Really, what are this guy's credentials?"

"Nice to see someone whose specialism is climate science"

"Please, please, dear Register, stick to subjects you know something about"

"it's disappointing to find it in the Reg."

"the article is a joke or some troll so I won't continue further."

All of these avoid the subject discussed, and seek to close down discussion. To sum up the writer's conclusion: we have endured and survived climate change before (including one major ice age) and flourished – we are in a better position now to deal with change than ever before.

All of which is plain to anyone. No qualifications whatsoever are needed to reach such a conclusion, just a modicum of rationality.

I conclude that the Climate Priesthood is getting nervous, because their shock tactics don't work any more.

Scientists warn on climatic 'tipping points'

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The Warmers are now quite scary

"So far, the majority of evidence tested by the highly stringent Scientific Method suggests that global warming is very real."

A few politically-motivated fanatics cooking the evidence and pumping into a computer model to get terrifying looking hockey stick temperature graphs. Which then don't stand up to a moment's scrutiny. Not what I call stringent.

http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?p=166

But not as scary as this:

@ Richard:

"anyone who quotes from the 'Great Global Warming Swindle' should be sectioned under the mental health act as a threat to society "

Translation: anyone who disagrees with me is mad, and must have their liberties and right to free expression curtailed. You disagree with me. Therefore you are mad, and must have your liberties and right to free expression curtailed.

Is that a threat?

Lessig gives up on Free Culture

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So whoever you vote for, Google gets in?

"At present The Mouse can effectively buy (via campaign contributions) enough legislators to push through almost anything they want."

Follow the money.

Viacom market cap: $2.3 bn

CBS market cap: $17.5 bn

Sony market cap: $46 bn

Vivendi market cap: $47 bn

Google market cap: $161 bn

Poor, poor Google!

Professor Lessig knows where the money is, even you don't.

Auntie hops in bed with Murdoch on MySpace

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Something else in common

While Murdoch kow-towed to the Chinese over Star, the BBC caved in to the Saudis with its BBC Arabic TV station, a commercial joint-venture. The staff and were BBC trained. This launched as Al-Jazeera after a craven BBC pulled the plug.

Sun's war against clarity and business continues

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"I say “important” in quotes as its all relative "

Relative to... what? This babbling idiot doesn't know what's going through his own mind.

OK, so he's trying to tell us that datacenters don't matter. Except when they might. Maybe. Sometimes.

Is this Tim Bray in disguise?

EU president sets green plans in stone

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Opportunity cost

an AC wrote:

"Even if you don't agree with global warming, it's a great driver to invest in new technologies for energy production."

Yes, and digging a hole in the ground and throwing money down it is a great way of priming the economy with a Keynesian boost. It just leaves you with a hole in the ground and less money.

There's an opportunity cost to inventing stuff we don't need. Can you see it yet?

Lord Triesman on P2P, pop-ups and the Klaxons

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BBC? WTF?

@Acidbass:

"We should task the BBC with content distribution. They have excellent technical people and a public-service remit"

The BBC also spent five years and £130m on a video player nobody wants or needs.

"Ooh, got a minute swelling of national pride there for a moment."

I've got a swelling of a different kind, Acidbass - I think it's called a headache. No mistake, the boys at Kingswood Warren do a great job. (Look it up) But I see no need to employ a bureaucratic overspending quango where it isn't needed.

This should not an excuse for a job-creation scheme.

Cloudy outlook for climate models

Dr Stephen Jones

Disappointing responses from Mr. Chase

Ten days have now elapsed since I invited Mr Chase to address two of the article's main points in 200 words or less.

1 - The study finds that the models are contradicted by empirical evidence ...tropospheric models only work at sea level

2 - The IPCC says it has only a "LOW" understanding of the role of particulate matter, and that the cooling effect of particulate matter is as large as the heating effect of greenhouse gas.

Mr.Chase has now posted 30,000 words in response: almost all of it irrelevant to the points questioners have raised.

Therefore I see nothing to contradict the Mr Wylie's conclusion that -

"on both empirical and inferential grounds, then, the science of climate looks to be far from over."

When I am called upon to mark student papers, I look for relevance and logic - there is very little of either from Mr Chase. I would mark this as a "fail".

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Reads like gibberish

Timothy Case: "Finally, of course the essay for this thread deals with the possibility that we have been underestimating the indrect effect of aerosols.

If what you're trying to say is "the second part of The Register's article deals IPCC's acknowledgement that the cooling affect of aerosols is not well understood", then ... er, yes.

Timothy Case: "However, that isn't the IPCC - and if one considers the indirect effect of aerosols through their promotion of cloud formation and albedo, it would probably be wise to include their contribution to the cloud greenhouse effect as well as the greenhouse effect due to aerosols themselves."

That ... isn't ... what??

This sentence makes no sense at all. Gramatically, logically, or otherwise.

Can anyone translate?

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RTFA

"Many of the proponents of AGW can't put a point across without absolutely drowning the reader with torrents of words and citations"

Or insinuating that everyone who disagrees is corrupt, as you say. These are the tactics of Senator McCarthy.

(Or Salem, Mass. The USA seems to be historically susceptible to fits of Puritanical finger-pointing).

Timothy Case has written several thousand words here, yet he has failed to address the two points raised by the article.

Firstly, the Douglass survey looks at the data output of the climate models themselves. This is welcome, and the kind of auditing one would expect climate modelers to perform on their own work regularly. The study finds that the models are contradicted by empirical evidence ... tropospheric models only work at sea level.

Case ignores this.

Secondly, the IPCC says it has only a "LOW" understanding of the role of particulate matter (ie, aerosols). This is very important, because particulate matter has a "negative" forcing effect: cooling the earth. In the second illustration (I wish it was larger) we can see that the IPCC admits that the cooling effect of particulate matter is as large as the heating effect of greenhouse gas.

Case ignores this, too.

What are the chances Sen.Timothy McCarthy can respond rationally in 200 words or fewer? I wouldn't like to take bets on this...

Wikia unsheathes antidote to 'unhealthy' Google

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That's all we need

SlimVirgin hand-sorting my search results.

I bet that will be fair, impartial and above board.

Radiohead prep New Year's Eve net gig

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@Morely

"I will pay artists. I will *NOT* pay labels. "

Radiohead's In Rainbows CD is being released on an independent label - two, to be precise: TBD and XL. Independent labels work off a 50/50 revenue split with artists. Any money they have left over goes to suing the RIAA for antitrust violations: look at the history of Impala and AIM if you want chapter and verse.

So ... if you don't want Radiohead's In Rainbows on CD, don't buy it.

If you want it, then you have no excuse for not paying the artist.

But it sounds like you just don't want to pay the artists.

Why be such a stingebag, Morely? Who are you trying to kid, here?

Top government boffin urges rethink on GM crop ban

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How to reduce the birth rate

"the only way forward is for there to a REDUCTION in the planet's birth rate"

High-birth rates are a consequence of high infant mortality rates - ask your great grandmother. People start having 2.2 kids when they can be sure approximately 2.2 will survive ;-)

Which means we need more economic development, and we need to remove the barrers to economic development where birth rates are high.

Agreed? Good.

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Dr Stephen Jones

Arrogance

"A private exchange with the author, or comments elsewhere, would not really help me"

Why not?

What an arrogant statement. My experience is that journalists are very rarely responsive. After I emailed Andrew a correction, I was surprised that he got back to me quickly, and was very pleased that he incorporated it into the article. I would like to think I have been able to influence articles positively.

If such a responsive reporter wants Comments backwards, in purple, or OFF, that's really down to Andrew. I'd much rather have a direct relationship with the journalist.

Having read the excellent Adam Curtis interview this week, I can see exactly what he means by bloggers and their desire to bully.

Sorry Ole (and others) - but no one comes to The Register to read you.

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