* Posts by Graham Marsden

6903 posts • joined 19 Jan 2007

Brit trio convicted for liquid bomb terror plot

Graham Marsden

@The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

> Surely the number of failed attempts is largely irrelevant?

No, it's entirely relevant because you neglect to factor in whether, once they'd "got it right", they could replicate those results sufficiently to make this a truly viable threat.

> Which proves what exactly? That it was a sod to get right?

Exactly! Yet, because it was *possible* (but not necessarily by any means probable), millions of passengers have had to suffer disruption and hassle.

> Well, I for one would prefer not to have been on one of those planes when they gave it a try, how about you? Would you risk your family or anyone else's on that supposition?

Why didn't you add "Think of the children!" whilst you were at it?

This is exactly the same sort of argument that is being used by your Chief Police Officers etc for ID cards, taking everyone's DNA and so on because "would you want to risk us *not* catching the terrorists/ criminals/ paedophiles/ bogeyman of the month?"

Yes, there's a potential risk, but I also take a risk every time I go out on Britain's roads where around 3,500 people die each year. Do you risk your family's lives on the supposition that it's not likely to be *you* in that number of deaths?

I don't deny there's a threat, but there's also such a thing as a sense of proportion and not getting caught up in the hype.

> I obviously can't talk about the extent of the physical evidence save to say that WE found it overwhelmingly conclusive. I can't say what would convince you or anyone else for that matter. [...] still Jury's have acquitted for reasons known only to themselves.

Again, exactly my point. With all due respect to you and your colleagues and your experience and your feelings, you are *not* impartial nor objective viewers of the evidence.

>>Not 45 minutes...?!

> An irrelevant cheap shot my friend.

A "cheap shot"? Definitely. "Irrelevant", however? Nope.

> We all understand the legal Presumption of Innocence, but that is, in reality, a very different concept than your personal knowledge of events, or mine in this particular context.

Yes, I don't deny that. The question is, however, what happens next which is why, of course, we have an independent judiciary and why we don't let the Police determine guilt or families of victims determine sentences.

> I only wish my pay reflected my constantly being on duty.

On that you will get no argument from me. Whatever else we may disagree on, the way successive Governments have treated the pay of Police, Hospital Staff, the Fire Service and other such groups is nothing short of shameful.

> Oh and If we weren't able to determine the guilty party [...] Okay, potential guilt then, but in reality it means the same thing.

No, it doesn't. Ask the Guildford Four, the Birmingham Six and many others who were victims of over-zealous Police Officers in the past.

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@The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!

> these guys did indeed produce explosives. They had even conducted a series of test explosions in the woods until they became satisfied they had something viable and potent.

I don't doubt it. But, tell us, how many *failed* attempts did they have? When it took even experienced scientists multiple attempts to get it right? And would they *really* have been able to do it on a plane? Can anyone say? Or is there a reasonable doubt?

> several of them later freely admitted to producing in their clamour to drop each other in the shit

"Look, sunshine, you admit to this and we'll go easy on you. Keep schtum and we'll maybe hand you over to the Yanks who'll send you to Guantanamo Bay" (or some other such threat).

BTW, ever heard of The Prisoner's Dilemma?

> Together with the house searches, we retrieved enough additional ingredients to potentially kill many more people, not to mention enough incriminatory evidence to convince everyone involved that we had stopped something evil from happening.

Wasn't a similar justification used for the "Ricin Terror Plot" raids?

> Thousands of innocent people were intended to die, why are so many losing sight of that fact?

So many? Or just some of the "Twelve good persons and true" who were not convinced of this by the Prosecution's case?

> It was real, it was there and it was but days away from intended use

Not 45 minutes...?!

> From my personal perspective I happen to believe they were guilty as charged because I saw far too much to convince me otherwise. [...] In English law all you have to do is to produce a 'reasonable doubt' - not prove your innocence - to escape conviction.

Yet the Jury weren't convinced. And that's the point. It's the JURY who make the decision. If they don't then, yes, there can be a re-trial, but until they are *found* to be guilty they are *presumed* to be innocent, no matter what your personal perspective may be.

The defendants do not have to prove their innocence, the prosecution must prove their *guilt*, whether you like it or not.

As to your follow up post, just out of interest, had not you, a serving officer, called in the report, how long do you think it would have taken for your colleagues to react to the incident? Perhaps it's that which your neighbours were remarking on.

(A friend called the Police one night just after midnight when some idiots were smashing up a car in the road outside his place. An officer came around to take a statement at midday the next day...)

BTW I'm pleased to hear you did something about it, but, there again, that's your JOB, ie to keep the peace, not to determine guilt, nor exact punishment on offenders.

PS I hope that your post won't prejudice any future trial...

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BOFH: Lock and reload

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Happy

@Sarah Bee

> I'd need an assistant.

Where do we apply?!

(The queue starts behind me!)

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7-year-old faces M&S Inquisition

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Flame

Welcome to "Cover Your Arse" Britain...

Unfortunately all the stories above are just classic examples of CYA which we are seeing more and more in this country :-(

Because we now have the sort of "No Win, No Fee" ambulance chasing litigation which has blighted the USA, laws and safeguards that have been put in place supposedly to protect *us*, the public, are, instead, being abused and exploited by businesses and even Councils and elected officials simply in attempts to excuse themselves from any liability should something go wrong.

In other words, instead of these people and groups actually trying to *help* us, they're going out of their way to *hinder* us and protect themselves.

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Erotic artist urges spanking for Jacqui Smith

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Twenty Questions for the Ministry of Justice

It is too long to post in this comments page, but if you go to http://www.seenoevil.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=803 on the Backlash forums you can read a letter that I wrote to Harry Cohen MP (the only Labour MP with the balls to stand up to this ridiculous law) asking him to get Maria Eagle MP and the Ministry of Justice's answers to some very pertinent and relevant questions.

I sent it on the 18th of July and Harry Cohen acknowledged it a few days later. As yet, however, there has been no response from Maria Eagle or the MoJ...

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Microsoft dishes dirt on IE8 'pr0n mode'

Graham Marsden

Alternatively...

Just download a copy of Firefox Portable, run it from a memory stick and you'll have no "incriminating evidence" left on your hard drive.

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Election watchdog makes ID card U-turn

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@British Voters

Richard said "what do all British citizens have?? A PASSPORT woah problem solved,"

Err, no, because, amazingly, not everyone has a passport, nor a driving licence, nor any other sort of photo ID.

I know quite a lot of people who neither drive, nor who wish to travel abroad, so how are they going to be permitted to vote? They have enough trouble opening bank accounts or getting credit cards because the banks and card companies make the erroneous assumption that "everyone has a passport or a driving licence", now you're suggesting that it should be made harder for them to vote too?

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UK spooks forced to hand Gitmo files to suspect's lawyers

Graham Marsden

Fifth page footnotes...

Just a request, El Reg, if you're going to put in footnotes, why not put them at the foot of the page the reader is currently on instead of having to skip right to the end of the article to find out that it was barely worth an explanation in parenthesis?!

PS To others, re: Philip:

Please stop feeding the troll.

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Microsoft to protect furtive web searches

Graham Marsden

Alternatively...

Just download Firefox Portable, run it from a USB stick and you'll not leave any embarrassing/ incriminating evidence in your address bar or hard drive cache!

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

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Watchdog hits 070 swindlers with big fine

Graham Marsden

Phone number costs...

Ok, it's not quite relevant to this story, but this is a good place to put in a plug for "Say No to 0870" which can save you having to pay stupid amounts (which companies get a cut of) when you can call a standard phone number instead!

http://www.saynoto0870.com/

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Lies, damned lies and government statistics

Graham Marsden

@Steve

Googlemaps does *NOT* give you an accurate impression of what the road is like *when you are on it*. The fact that I and Anony mouse have been there and can state this for a fact (unlike you) once again shows you don't understand this.

Trying to discredit me by asserting that I am being (in your opinion) "disingenuous" and then making comments like "I think the reader will forgive me for disbelieving your oh-so entirely coincidental choice of holiday location" is simply gutter smear tactics.

If you want more proof, I can post my holiday snaps, taken on Croyde beach and around the surrounding area. I can give you a verbal tour of the area. You can even phone up the staff at Mitchum's campsites and ask if I stayed there last week (and, indeed, the last three years). For further corroboration, ask them if I was one of the people who had to move from their Beach Site to their Village Site because the weather was so bad on Monday and Tuesday!

So I think the reader might be able to make up their own minds as to who is more credible in their opinions of whether a) speeding is possible at the location shown or that b) a speed camera would be desirable or even necessary there.

As for the rest of your arguments, you attempted to discredit Anony mouse and myself with your implication that by disagreeing with you we must be "bigoted" and the subsequent implication we must be "SCP staff", which is just pathetic.

As I have already said, the way you are presenting this and the attitude you have adopted does *NOTHING* to make myself or anyone more inclined to consider your arguments or those of the self-styled "Safe Speed" organisation worth paying attention to.

If you would care to take that chip off your shoulder you might do better in convincing people that your case has some merit.

Oh, and, no, my apologies, you didn't say cameras were "the Devil incarnate" you accused SCPs of being "EVIL" which is nonsense. You also made the fallacious argument at the same time that cameras "cost lives" which is equally ridiculous and is a perfect example of the "spin" I referred to before and repeating the word "disingenuous" doesn't make your arguments any more valid.

In closing let me re-iterate the point I was trying to make which you seem to dislike so much: "Safe Speed" might have some good points to make, unfortunately the way they (and you) present them does their cause no benefit.

Please, feel free to have the last word, I have better things to do.

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Graham Marsden

@Steve

Please excuse the delayed response, but for the past week I have been on holiday in Croyde and thus have not only stood at the *exact* point that the photograph in question was taken, but also ridden my motorbike along that road, so please also excuse me when I say that, unlike Anony mouse above, you clearly have *no* clue what you are talking about regarding the possibilities of speeding there unless you wish to have a very rapid encounter with an entirely unforgiving stone wall or an oncoming vehicle.

As to "irony", I do entirely understand it, I also note that you don't seem to like it when it's used to point out that the arguments you use are as flawed and spun and silly as the ones that you are decrying.

The fact that you then accuse Anony mouse and myself of being "SCP staff" simply because we disagree with you shows the shallowness of your arguments.

FYI I have often in other forums stated my objections to unnecessary cameras indeed, riding down to Croyde I was very lucky not to get caught by a camera van when I was doing a perfectly safe overtaking manoeuvre at 75mph on a dual carriageway, but neither do I therefore subscribe to the "bigotry" that all cameras are thus seemingly the Devil incarnate.

"Safe Speed" might have some good points to make, unfortunately the way they (and you) present them does their cause no benefit.

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Graham Marsden
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@Steve Re: "Deception"

I find it ironic that you refer to "Deception" and then say you're a member of the so-called "Safe Speed" site which is notorious for its own spin and using cherry-picked statistics to make its case.

Consider, for instance, a classic example: the second photo on the following page that is entitled "This is a dangerous place to exceed the speed limit. Speed cameras are not allowed."

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/rules.html

The first time I saw that picture I thought "Hang on, I recognise that!" It is a pub called The Thatch at Croyde in North Devon. Out of shot to the left of the picture is a road with "traffic calming" indents. Behind the camera the road "squeezes" between two high stone walls. Out of shot to the right, the road takes a tight 90 degree left-hand bend, again between stone walls and goes into a narrow street in Croyde village.

It is not "dangerous" to exceed the speed limit there, it would be virtually *impossible* to do so and all the times I've been there on holiday I've never been worried that someone's going to come blasting past at a silly speed whilst I walk down that road.

Putting a Camera there would be utterly pointless and, as far as I can tell from a bit of searching, there has never been an application to put a camera there, so WHY does Safe Speed try to use this as an example of a place where "Speed Cameras are not allowed" as if one *should* be put there but the application has been refused?

Pots and kettles come to mind...

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Teachers give toilet CCTV top marks

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Black Helicopters

Irregular verb

I am spied on.

You are monitored.

They are potential terrorists...

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Game sharer gets £16K fine

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"Lawyers have thousands more names"

Shouldn't that subtitle be "Lawyers rake in £10,000 and have thousands more names"...?

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Did we say you can read that?

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@Matt Bryant

> you don't like the list of books/documents or feel that some other freedom is being trampled on, please feel free to vote at the next election for a member you feel will represent your views.

What a marvellous idea. Unfortunately the rest of the sheeple (and those "authoritards", like you, who blindly think that simply owning/ reading something means you're going to do something bad) are quite happy in their blissful ignorance, to vote for someone who says they're going to make us all safer without the slightest clue of how this will actually be achieved or how they will lose basic rights and liberties that their forefathers fought wars to protect.

> And did any of you libtards stop to think for a second the Yanks have the AQ manual up as a honey-pot for the very stupid AQ sympathisers?

Ah, of course! It was all a cunning ploy all along! It was, indeed, so cunning, that you didn't event think to *MENTION* this in your previous "authoritard" rants about how someone didn't have a "good reason" to download "dangerous books" etc etc...

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Slippery Slope...?

"But once the authorities start to dictate what books or documents we may possess, we are on a slippery slope. "

We are already rapidly skidding down that slope with the Government's Dangerous Pictures Act that makes it a criminal offence to possess so-called "extreme pornography" on the basis that owning it just might make us do bad things!

Of course most people don't object because they don't like that sort of stuff and think that anyone who owns it can't be trusted, just as the Matt Bryants of this world think that you should be required to provide justification for owning (currently) freely available information in case you might be a bad person and could do something nasty if you get to see it, so anyone who wants to look at it should be arrested by the Department of Pre-Crime...

PS @Philip referring to "libertards", perhaps you might also like to consider these words of Winston Churchill spoken in September 1939:

"Perhaps it may seem a paradox that a war undertaken in the name of liberty and right should require as a necessary part of its progress the surrender for the time being of so many dearly valued liberties and rights. In these last two days the House of Commons has been voting dozens of bills which hand over to the Executive our most dearly valued personal liberties.

"We are sure that these liberties will be in hands which will not abuse them, which will use them for no class or party interests which will cherish and guard them, and we look forward to the day, surely and confidently we look forward to the day, when our liberties and rights will be restored to us and when we shall be able to share them with peoples to whom such blessings are unknown."

I think maybe he and the other authoritards ranting "Think of the TERRORISTS!" would do well to consider when, or indeed even *IF* the "dearly valued liberties and rights" that our Government is slowly but surely taking away from us will ever be restored!

They might also like to consider the following quote:

"[...] the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

- Herman Goering.

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National DNA database grows on the genes of the innocent

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@Yosemite Sam

> When are you people going to rise up and stop your government from violating your rights? [...] Oh wait, I forgot--only your government is allowed to be armed

Ah, right, so we should stage a Revolution!

Come the Glorious Day, Comrade Sam!

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Malicious gossip could cost you your job

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@AC 18th August 2008 18:22 GMT

> Most of the stats I have seen seem to indicate that pedos have the worst recidivist rate of any criminal type or class. no thanks to hoping they can magically make themselves better.

Then I suggest you look at a better class of stats (rather than ones which have, presumably, come from such august publications like the Daily Wail or the News of the Screws) because properly funded therapy and support group programmes have shown demonstrable effects in reducing recidivism in many (though, admittedly, not all) cases.

Of course any time someone tries to set something like this up, you get people screaming "not in my back yard" or demanding that they be established fifty miles from any schools or simply saying that these people should be locked up for good and that money shouldn't be wasted on treating them or other similarly rational arguments.

PS @Keith T

> Why did you re-elect Tony Blair so many times?

Personally I didn't, but people voted for New Labour because they believed the spin and the hype and, frankly, because they weren't the Tories who'd made such a mess during and after the Thatcher regime.

Of course it wasn't until towards the end of the Blair regime's second term that the wheels really started to come off, but the Tories were still unelectable then, so we just had an election where 40% of the people didn't bother to vote at all...

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The News of the Screws

"In defence of its right to poke into individual private lives, it asks its readers whether they would not wish to know what their children’s teachers get up to at the weekend."

Actually I'd like to know what the editor and journalists of that reprehensible lying gutter rag get up to at the weekend.

Since they are obviously such paragons of moral virtue that they can pass judgement on anyone and everyone else, they clearly can't have anything to hide, can they...?

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Aussie cops reopen 7,000 DNA convictions

Graham Marsden
Joke

But... but...

... shurely we can't pay attention to this sort of thing because we *NEED* DNA databases to protect us from all those horrible terrerists and peedyfiles and catch burgulars and rapists and so on!

Just cos the Aussies have made the odd cock-up doesn't mean it's not a really great idea to take DNA from anyone who's arrested, even if they don't ever get charged with anything, does it...?

Joke ahead? Nope, the joke is the Government we have.

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Craigslist supervillain seeks henchmen

Graham Marsden
Unhappy

Must be willing...

... to be expendable and to attack Hero one at a time in order to be casually hurled aside or die horribly whilst Hero makes a merry quip about your demise as your boss makes off in his *one* man (didn't you think about this before hand?) escape pod.

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Snoop more, share less - Home Office spurns EU advice

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You can't trust them...

... but you must trust us!

- Sneak preview of the Government's latest strategy.

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Top Jock cop calls for universal DNA database

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Oh look...

... it's another Policeman claiming that our freedoms such as that pesky Presumption of Innocence are less important than something that might make their jobs a bit easier or, at least, let them accuse someone of a crime because their DNA was found at a crime scene and then effectively demand the suspect prove their innocence...

Mine's the one with the Citizen Number and DNA Barcode on the back.

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NASA chief: ISS tests for super plasma space drive

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@Wonko the Sane

> the 4th word of its current acronym

Err, you mean Magnetoplasma...?

It should, of course, be written VaSIMR:

"Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket"

Mine's the one with the Dilithium Crystals in the pocket...

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Home Office bankrolls plastic plod 'documentaries'

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@Newspeak, Doublespeak.

> Should the Home Office now be called Minisafe?

Surely you mean "MiniTruth"!

Mine's the one with my Citizen Number stenciled on the back.

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Late-breaking April Fool prangs snoozing Guardianista

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@April Fools Day = Outright Lies Day

Ah, cf "A good day to bury bad news".

The Government can put out any draconian announcements it wants to and people will just say "Ho ho, it's an April Fool gag..."

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MPs report back from internet's dark side

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Re: What time is it on the Internet?

About 1950 if the Government has their way...

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Plods say it's OK for them give out your DNA

Graham Marsden

@This week's moan

"What are you losers going to do about the rape of your rights as a citizen? Carry on as last week? Just be as witty as usual?

"How about actually getting out off your fat arses and doing something for your children's future?"

I sense a certain irony here.

You could have done something more useful like posting the links to http://www.theyworkforyou.com and http://www.writetothem.com so people can contact their MPs and express their objections.

But I guess you were too busy calling people names and being sarcastic...

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Shurely the Police have nothing to hide...

"It also said that the police, many of whose officers have added themselves to the database voluntarily, rejected a request for their DNA samples to be used in a research project."

... so what do they have to fear...?

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Chinese to censor Olympic press net access

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Joke

"such criticisms defamed China"

> "with stereotypes constructed from hearsay and prejudice in their mind, regardless of the reality".

Why does this remind me of "Comical Ali's" comment "I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad!"

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It's official: The Home Office is listening

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@Only the guilty - @ac

"In order to prevent crime and terrorism, it is necessary to identify people and separate the law-abiding from the non-law-abiding. Only people with something to hide (i.e. as yet unidentified law-breakers) have something to fear from such a process."

Tell that to Jean Charles de Menezes...

Mine's not the imaginary "suspiciously thick padded jacket" being "worn on a warm day".

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"everyone gets exactly what they are entitled to"

... So be grateful you miserable peasants or we might take it away...

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More dodgy phone-ins cost BBC £400,000

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What is the point in...

... fining the BBC when it's funded by the licence payer?

"BBC executive directors were awarded pay rises of more than £100000 last year,"

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/2008/07/bbc_bosses_get_100000_pay_rise.html

So how about the BBC being required to take that money back off them and put it into programme making?

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Alcoholic Malaysian shrews cast doubt on UK booze panic

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But did any of the shrews say...

... Yer my besht mate, pal...

Or...

Hey that reshercher's lookin' at me funny...

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Citizens's panel demands policing for DNA database

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If you have nothing to hide...

... you still have plenty to worry about...

News from 2002:

"Police in Thailand hunting the killer of a backpacker from mid Wales say two transvestites have admitted planting false DNA at the murder scene."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1954897.stm

News from 2008:

"Jacques allegedly took steps before Bennett's abduction to lure police into thinking that she had gone to meet someone she had been corresponding with online. And before Bennett's disappearance, Jacques instructed his 14-year-old female accomplice to collect semen from her boyfriend, which was later planted near Bennett's torn underwear."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5300619&page=1

These are just a couple of the examples of criminals already attempting to subvert DNA testing to cover up their crimes.

Unfortunately some people tend to watch TV shows like CSI and think that DNA is a "magic wand" that will catch the crook before the end of the episode, so it's *got* to be a good thing and the more DNA we have on record the better...

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Site guesses your sex via age-old web flaw

Graham Marsden
Boffin

Alternatively...

... run two versions of Firefox, one for the day to day stuff which sits on your HDD as usual and the other one Portable Firefox which you run from a USB stick and which doesn't cache anything and wipes cookies and history when you quit so you can browse the more interesting stuff safely...

... Erm, allegedly!

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Home Office to order fingerprinting of air passengers

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Not clear why...?

> Later, it may also be used at some ports and the Channel Tunnel, although it's not at the moment particularly clear why.

Oh it's very clear, it's to get us all used to the idea, so when they change the rules and decide that this data *won't* be destroyed at the end of the day, but will be added to the United Kingdom Guarding Borders database (nice one Colin Millar!) we're supposed to say "well, it's not going to do any harm is it...?" as the sheeple ignore another freedom disappear down the drain...

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Virgin Galactic to unveil tool to fling rich people into space

Graham Marsden
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re: re: your Bootnote

Or they'll end up flung into the future where everyone has very hairy faces and... umm...

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US nuke missile crew falls asleep on the job

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Joke

Shall we...

... play a game...?

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US Air Force may allow killbots to be flown by non-pilots

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Not forgetting...

... The Last Starfighter.

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Cheque-red flag for Max Mosley

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This is excellent news...

... It finally makes clear to the Gutter Press that, as the PCC quote says, “what interests the public is not necessarily the same as the public interest”.

The News of the Screws has cynically and hypocritically tried to set itself up as the Moral Guardian of the UK and this has now backfired on them in a spectacular manner.

In a country where we have repeatedly seen laws passed based on the Government's knee-jerk reaction to whatever is in the newspapers that day, this is one back for the freedom of the individual to engage in consensual practices in private without anyone passing judgement or saying "we don't like this, so you shouldn't do it".

Oh and if Mr Mosely wants to spend some of his winnings buying some Affordable Leather Products, I'm sure he can find a company willing to supply him ;-)

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Blinking to replace remote controls, claims Japanese boffin

Graham Marsden

Caption competition...

"Please don't let anyone recognise me...!"

Of course with the "close your eyes for a second to switch it on", how long before some pillock walks into a lamppost or crashes a car...?

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Jeremy Clarkson tilts at windmills

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@Onionman

Here's another one from Lewis Carrol:

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

Obviously your "final" word means something different to you.

As for "sanctimony" how about one from The Princess Bride: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Please, feel free to have the last word, although it will probably be the same ones you've been repeating as if they actually make a valid argument.

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@Onionman

ROFL!

"What I tell you three times is true.''

- Lewis Carrol - The Hunting of the Snark.

Unfortunately you still manage to completely miss or ignore the point, rely on anecdotal evidence and choose instead to insult others instead, let alone suddenly adding the claim that you have had "plenty of driver training" without any details of what training or where or when.

Whatever.

In closing, for your information...

"Swenson asked about driving skill and driving safety, a follow-up study asked subjects to evaluate eight different dimensions of their driving (McCormick et al. (1986)). They had to say where they were on the dangerous-safe dimension, the considerate-inconsiderate dimension, and so on. Out of 178 subjects, only a tiny minority of responses were below average and for some of the measures, large majorities rated themselves as above average. Taking the eight dimensions together,

*** just under 80% of the subjects put themselves above the average driver." ***

http://biasandbelief.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/why-there-are-so-many-idiots-on-the-road/

[My emphasis]

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@Wize and Onionman

@Wize

> I find myself looking more at my speedo in an average speed camera area than I do normally. I'm betting I'm not the only one.

Just a thought, does that mean, perhaps, that you're not checking your speedo as often as you should as part of a regular scan of the road and your instruments.

@Onionman

> All hail your perfectly perfect perfection.

Obviously it is *your* skills which are "perfect" since you clearly know it all and don't need any more training in the slightest because you are such a "driving god".

Paging Messers Pott and Kettle-Black...

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Graham Marsden

@Onionman and AC

> Another bunch of sanctimonious twaddle.

Followed by a bunch of the usual "I've driven millions of miles and almost never had an accident, so speed cameras make me less safe" garbage.

Your "evidence" is purely anecdotal and does not mean you are a "safe driver".

If you think your skills are so great, why not sign up to an IAM course and see what they say. You might be surprised...

Oh and to the Anonymous Coward, monitoring your speedo as part of a regular scan of the road/ mirrors/ road/ instruments/ road (which is what I actually said and which you ignored) is not the same as "staring at your speedo" which some people on here claim that cameras make them do.

If "Good drivers are able to maintain a safe speed for the conditions.... " then why are they, by your arguments, not capable of maintaining a speed below the set limit??

And, please, silly comments about men with red flags don't add any credibility to your arguments.

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New York threatens Comcast with anti-porn suit

Graham Marsden

@Steve Ball

You are making the classic fallacious argument (often seen in usenet!) of "if you want to object to something you must provide an alternate/ better solution".

Well, no, sorry, we don't have to do anything of the sort.

If something is a stupid idea we are free to say "that's a stupid idea for these reasons, so just don't do it" and that is exactly what we are doing.

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@StopthePropaganda

> I guess that's the way Democrats want it.

As opposed to Bush and his cronies "anti-porn initiative" that had FBI agents surfing for "deviant imagery" which featured consenting adults, forcing several companies to shut down because, even though they would have eventually won the court cases, they'd have been bankrupted in doing so.

Still, let's Stop the Propaganda, eh?

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NASA: The Moon is not enough

Graham Marsden
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@Roni Leben

A "score" is 20 as in "Three score years and ten" meaning 70.

So "a score and 19" is 39 :-)

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