* Posts by MonkeyCee

942 posts • joined 16 Apr 2013


Senators call for '9/11-style' commission on computer voting security

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Re: Self-fulfilling prophecies'R'us

"I think you nailed that one!"

Thank you :)

I've been trying to work out what the hell is going on with the UK negotiation on brexit, since it's clear that pretty much none of the obviously contentious issues have been addressed in any fashion other than wishful thinking, using existing EU law or flat removal of existing rights, which may fall under the first catagory.

There clearly is *something* that a lot of power and influence want from the UK leaving the EU, but it doesn't appear to be tied in with any of the issues that are being argued over, since the great majority of them could be solved by replicating the current situation. To put it in slogan terms, the current deal is a good deal, so why would you negotiate a worse deal?

So there must be another motive. Who benefits? US or Russian influence seeking to damage and distract the EU/UK for a number of years, driving a wedge between UK/EU co-operation on military matters or creating a divisive electoral issue could all be possible reasons.

But the clearing up of the UK controlled tax havens scares the crap out of a whole bunch of wealthy and powerful people. The Panama papers gave a wee insight into just how many political figures are getting paid on the sly, and you can bet that even more crap will surface once any of the tax havens start having to reveal the genuine beneficial holders of accounts. Then there is all the black book operations that start coming to light, so who knows what scandals are buried in the accounts.

I expect that there are a multitude of powerful interests around the world who are not keen on these reforms. That these would use an opportunity (or perhaps even create it) using plebiscite that promises one thing and delivers another to protect their current position should not be shocking to anyone.

To try and keep my beeb like balance, that statement about plebiscites applies just as much about the formation of the EU as any other use of a single poll to circumvent the normal legislative procedure of the country. It's still ultimately run for the benefit of the oligarchs, a different set perhaps, but the joy of financial capital is you can own bits of everything and own a bit of each side.

Direct democracy (legislature by plebiscite) is it's own beast, and beset with even more issues than representative democracy in all it's corrupt and manageable glory.

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Re: Self-fulfilling prophecies'R'us

"The UK has its relatively-modern oligarchy. "

I agree with you that it's an oligarchy, it's just not that modern. A quick squiz at the family trees of those with a lot of cash + power show that they've often had it for a while. The crown is still sovereign, but delegates all that to parliament, apart from the monarch giving a nice little speech.

Claiming anyone is an oligarch because they have benefited from the same policies is missing the point. It's about scale.

If you lost your job or current income source tomorrow, and received no assistance, how long would it be before you ran out of assets (liquid or otherwise) and began to starve? If the answer is anything shorter than a couple of generations, then you're part of the masses. Probably a better paid, comforted and pandered too part, probably more oppressor than oppressed, but still a worker or soldier bee. Not a drone or a queen, and never going to be.

Making you envy the people one level above you in hell, and feel superior to the ones one below is the powers that be like it.

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Re: Self-fulfilling prophecies'R'us

Russia and the USA are not enemies as such, but their strategic interests do run into conflict in quite a number of areas.

The USA has, however, targeted specific individuals that it feels are part of the criminal oligarchy that rules Russia. The freezing of assets and restriction of movement of these "big men" is what the current conflicts are mainly about. This is what all those discussions about "Russian adoptions" are about (since they are part of the same package) it's all about millionaire gangsters getting pissed off that they can't launder their money or live in nice Western societies.

In much the same vein, if you view brexit as the result of the EU passing anti-money laundering laws (coming into force in 2019) and the UK based oligarchs* deciding that they are buggered if they are going to pay tax like a little person, and can ride out the 5-10 years of chaos that brexit will cause. In fact, it's about the only logical explanation for the dogs breakfast that is brexit, since some powerful group(s) want out of the EU, but don't seem interested in pretty much any of the details.

You'll also notice that tax havens are not something the government will publish a position paper on, hoping to slip it through while the peons are screaming about stuff like jobs, food security or dude, where's my civil rights?

While it's a little old school, many of the current conflicts make more sense as a clash between different groups of elites (who broadly control each political bloc) than as any genuine clash between the peoples of those countries.

*perhaps less obviously criminal than the Russians, but most fortunes have at root some dodgy shit

China orders immediate shuttering of Bitcoin exchanges

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Re: Cynicism Confirmed

Dimon actually called it a Ponzi scheme. He also claimed that anyone caught trading it at JP would be fired on the spot, since it's clearly well dodgy. He was alsp quite pissed that his daughter specualted in BTC and has achieved returns many times greater than his "proper" funds have.

Bear in mind that this is the same bank that ran Madoff accounts. So they had full evidence that no investments where getting made, and did.... nothing. So much nothing that they copped a few billion in fines.

So Dimon can't spot a ponzi run through his own bank, but gosh damnit, BTC is evil.

JP Morgan doesn't hold the current title for "largest corporate fine ever", having been knocked off the top spot. But I'm assured they are working hard at regaining that position.

VMworld schwag heist CCTV didn't work and casino wouldn't share it

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Re: Obvious

"after they 'murdered' Jean Charles de Menezes."

I believe that the correct legal term is "failed to protect his health and safety" as that's what the Met got convicted for.

The architecture for sharing tokens across blockchains promises traction

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Re: Is anyone hearing the words of Frank Herbert?

If it's a normal bank account in your name, then it's not your money anyway. As with most things, in practice it's more complex.

The money belongs to the bank, it's their asset.

Your bank account is a liability they have (future payable debt). By depositing your money with them, you are trusting they will be able to repay their debt to you.

A bank run occurs when that trust is gone, so everyone wants their debt paid back now. The bank does not have enough assets on hand to cover those repayments, other people won't lend to it (since they might not get their money back), so comes up short.

Since bank runs and collapses are generally a Bad Thing, many governments insure the first x thousand in your bank accounts. So that in the event that the bank can't repay you, you still get your money back, you are less likely to rush down and try and withdraw it all.

Some accounts are specifically *not* the property of the bank, they act as administrators for them.

Mainly it's who gets served the court order to freeze or seize them that changes :D

BOFH: We're only here because they said there would be biscuits

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Re: Biscuits?

Cookies are for closers....

'All-screen display'? But surely every display is all-screen... or is a screen not a display?

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Re: Say what you mean and mean what you say

Even more so when your business is selling a subscription to a service which is pretty much a fixed cost. Which many subscribers don't even end up using. I understand that the receptionist may not wnt to deal with it, but surely you just kick this up to manglement.

My usual run in with this is when I want to buy something at retail that I'm going to flog straight on online. It's quite common for a clerk to refuse on the basis that they don't believe it's "fair" to sell to me. So I either talk to the manager/owner (who is often equally confused by the refusal to sell) or go someplace else. Even had the twatty manager of "ye locale gaming store" ask me why I wasn't coming by each week any more to buy 2-3 of the latest GW price gouging set, after refusing to sell said set to me last time I went in.

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Re: Say what you mean and mean what you say

"Family membership is pretty clear in the minds of everyone who isn't trying to take the piss."

It's not, hence why the downvotes.

It's why at say a themepark, you'll get a "family ticket" for 2 adults plus 2 children. No-one requires that the various parties be related, just that they are a group. That's what is generally understood by "family" in this sense.

Big fail on the part of the gym. Unless things have changed dramatically, 95% of the business of running a gym is getting someone in the door willing to buy a membership. Yeah, you can haggle over price, upfront costs and what promo shit they'll give you, but ultimately you've got a customer in there willing to buy, sell them the damn product*.

Even if you say "we can't do that under our family policy, but how about the same terms under our "Brothers in arms" deal, where you get us new customers without us spending any effort!".

* which, as a gym, shouldn't actually cost much per unit sold.

MPs accuse Amazon and eBay of profiteering from VAT fraudsters

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drop shipping?

"I was banned from eBay once because of box shipping."

Do you mean drop shipping, where you're taking orders then having the factory (or other supplier) ship them on your behalf?

Or re-boxing stuff, where you're selling goods that are legal, but the original packaging is protected by copyright or trademark?

Both of which I'm fairly sure are legal. Certainly if you put it in the fine print it should be in the UK.

I've had auctions cancelled when I used images belonging to the company whose goods I was selling. You can walk around it by taking a picture of the picture, but I stick to selling only second hand goods from that company now. Their lawyers did respond quickly and directly and they've done the same thing to web stores.

Since the majority of transactions are legitimate, almost any anti-fraud effort will impact more heavily on legitimate users than crooks. Most of the current "effective" scams rely in part on the anti-scam rules to try and scam the sellers. Amazon is awash in fake goods that get return binned back with legitimate ones, in part due the returns policy.

YMMV, but if I use recorded delivery AND mention that in the listings, most of the "dodgy purchaser" scams seem to pass me by now.

Boffin wins (Ig) Nobel prize asking if cats can be liquid

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Re: casinos

They don't even use big hard men, unless you're on the list.

I've had the very polite representative of the house inform me that my bets will not be accepted at blackjack, but other games are available. Poker is popular as it's gamblers fleecing each other with a skim for the house.

Most of the gaming houses around these parts only have house favoured games anyway. Slots, roulette and poker, no blackjack.

Sacre bleu! Apple's high price, marginal gain iPhone strategy leaves it stuck in the mud

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Re: Will the X have an appeal beyond oligarchs, expense account braggarts, and the fanbois?

"but I don't have much doubt their business model works "

Their main genius is managing to make phone purchases into a regular revenue stream rather than lump sum purchases. Well, making the providers do it, so they get to keep their hands clean.

Never really got the Apple rage myself. Supported plenty of professional users of Apple kit, and they are much like pro users of PC kit. If it's a work tool, then there's a budget for it, and mid-high end laptops/desktops/phones are all within 20-30% price of each other.

While "looks good on desk" is not a factor for many people, for some having the receptionist having a swish looking machine is vitally important. Even if it's all remote connections to the actual work boxen, the power of branding is strong.

Apart from resellers, never anyone who paid upfront for their iPhone. Always on a contract.

Bespoke vending machine biz Bodega AI trips cultural landmine

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Who stocks it?

So is there a robotic solution for stocking it? If not it's a fancy vending machine. They aren't going to replace any shops any time soon, except where they already have.

It's great for small items, but even the bread vending machines around are larger than the bodega ones I've seen, so either they sell only small items, are restocked often or just don't sell very much. Belgium has vending machines for beer/wine that read an ID card,

Can't really see anything new here. All for more and better vending machines, improving logistics would be grand too. Being able to vote for what products you wanted would be nice too.

Back in my day (uphill both ways, gravel for breakfast, pay mine owner for pleasure of working etc) at work there was a fridge of drinks, decent coffee and box of snacks that where all paid for by anhonesty box and a little self policing. If you wanted something different, you popped it on Bob's cash and carry list.

North Korea attacks Bitcoin bods to swell its war chest says FireEye

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Plus that mainstay of financial propriety, Dimon of JP Morgan has told us all that not only are BTC a scam, only useful for money launderers and criminals, but also JP employees are banned from trading in it.

This advice is well worth taking. If anyone is an expert on money laundering and financial scams, it's probably JP Morgan. They managed the main Madoff accounts and copped a few billion in fines for that, plus a few billion more in fines for other money laundering laundering (cartel money maybe?) schemes in last few years.

They are also part of the ETH aliance, so either Dimon knows something we don't about BTC vs other cryptos, or he simply doesn't know what his employees are doing (I believe that is a cornerstone of his defence).

So when one of the people in the world who do get to make money up from nothing, and has facilitated money laundering and ponzi schemes in the past, tells you that something is a scam you should probably listen. Oh, and he's so confident it's a scam and is going to lose value, he's not going to short it since he reckons it could get to 20k a piece before it crashes.

As for damage done to BTC trading by NK actions, I'd humbly suggest that ICOs are doing far more to increase volatility and stability issues.

Monkey selfie case settles for a quarter of future royalties

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Re: Interesting principles behind this

There's a world of difference between animal welfare, conservatism and environmentalism (which are all generally laudable) than the full on animal rights guff.

Yes, it's a nice philosophical point from the comfort of an enormously wealthy* perspective. No-one who has gone hungry for days at a time would ever consider the whole "animal is person" as a possible concept. Certainly no-one who has had to care for stock or use them as beast of burden. Animal is property is labor is food. Human is labor is not food.

Humans are bound by the law, and afforded much protection with it. Animals are not, and have weaker protections. Far too many humans are not, in practise, defended by the law, so it seems a better use of time to deal with these issues rather than those of animals.

There are still slaves in this world. In both the literal and figurative (poverty wages) sense. Worrying that a monkey in a nature reserve might not be getting it's full cut of royalties seems less important than rust bucket trawlers sinking in order to keep the price of fish down.

*globally and historically. Mainly in terms of energy rather than shiny coins

Your boss asks you to run the 'cloud project': Ever-changing wish lists, packs of 'ideas'... and 1 deadline

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Management advice

I tutor university students. Because they make various people do management studies as part of their course, I'm often teaching people who are studying STEM rather than business.

"All the money in the world will not get you back into an alienated employee's good books,"

Is a pretty good summery of my advice. If you can buy loyalty, do so at all times. When you need it, it will not be for sale.

Paying someone more, or rescuing them from a death march project, should always produce more value to the company than pissing off a skilled employee. Firing is management failure, quitting indicates a shambles.

London Tube tracking trial may make commuting less miserable

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Delay by design

My experiences of the tube was that there seemed very deliberate efforts, via signs and general herd movement, to get people to walk the slightly longer route. The quick route is there for those that know it, and if 20-30% of the rush hour uses it, things don't get congested. But if 40% or more of the rush hour traffic uses it, then congestion problems occur.

Learning each station's quick route and which end of the train you're aiming for is part of the charm :)

Asking a pair of city dwellers "what's the fastest way A to B?" is always good for a laugh. Parisians and Romans are great, but for getting a couple of Londoners arguing, ideally when others start chipping in, is great for an icebreaker.

My vote is on Oxford Circus, cross tube platforms are just grand.

Flying electric taxi upstart scores $90m from investors

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Certain big motor corps had already built and then scrapped a fleet of decent electric cars by 15 years ago. People loved them. GM refused to sell any, and recalled the leases in 2002.

Electric engines where an also ran to the internal combustion engine for motor vehicles mass adoption. Hell, most internal combustion engines require an electric one to start :)

There have been, and continue to be, high usage EVs in industrial settings. I've only encountered milkfloats and massive forklifts, but I'm sure there are other examples. So at least some heavy industrial manufacturers can manufacture the parts needed when it's required.

There is a big difference between taking a series of established and demonstrated principles and combining them to make something much better than the current market price. Tesla and SpaceX both do this, albeit for very different definitions of cargo and cost.

This is not to downplay the hard work and engineering in the doing of this, but Musk didn't dramatically improve the electric motor or a rocket engine, or make a ten-fold increase in battery capacity. No dramatic breakthroughs in the fundamental technologies. Just hard work and a bit of luck making the theoretically possible actual.

It's also very possible that the investors know full well that it'll never do what it says on the tin, but that the parts and process created will be worth more than what goes in.

Paris Hilton inflates cryptocurrency bubble some more, backs Initial Coin Offering

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Re: PonziCoin

A Ponzi scheme involves paying back at least your initial investors, typically from new investors deposits, and representing that you actually own assets.

ICO just involves you getting cash for the "assets" that may or may not be worthless.

It's more boiler room than Ponzi, in the scheme of things....

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Re: Cryptocurrencies and their Ilk

"But because I do not trust governments to make them illegal"

You could look at what various governments are actually doing.

Mainly they have decided that crypto is either property or a financial product, and seek to regulate it under applicable laws. Thus it falls under money laundering notification laws, same as if you purchased bars of silver, and you usually owe some form of tax if you convert it to fiat.

Because it is considered a form of money*, it's regulated as such. Raising capital for a new venture has various rules around doing so. This is what the concern over ICOs are from a governance perspective.

An ICO allows you to "go public" without actually doing all that annoying regulatory filing and reporting, which removes many protections that should be in place between retail investors and companies seeking capital.

I'm sure it's "disruptive" and "innovative", but it's just the same old story of flouting the current laws for profit. From Apple/MS/Google's creative tax arrangements, Uber's passenger protections and AirBnB's respect for zoning laws, being tech means being fast enough to break the law on a large enough scale that by the time you get caught, the law abiding businesses have already started to bite the dust and your lawyers can draw it out until you are the default supplier.

I have no fear of the government declaring crypto illegal. But I'm pretty certain they'll want to tax it :)

* the debate about "what is money" is a pretty huge subject. Whether gold is money, despite being part of central bank deposits, is still debated by economists.

Give a boffin a Xeon and a big GPU, get a new big prime number

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Re: I love engineers

Bah, yer telling it wrong. Mainly because I work with engineers, scientists and mathematicians I have a lot of the three types jokes.

Premise is that all odd are prime.

Mathematician goes:

3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime. 9 is an exception, therefore premise is false.

Scientist goes:

3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime, 11 is prime, 13 is prime. 9 is likely to be an observation error, premise appears to be correct, and I need a six figure grant to improve the accuracy of measurement equipment.

Engineer goes:

3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, 13 is prime....

VW engineer sent to the clink for three years for emissions-busting code

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Re: Did He Have An Option ???

"Also in the states employers don't give bad reviews for legal reasons and will just refuse."

I thought (but IANAL) that you have to give someone a reference. You just have to not write anything defamatory or untrue. Refusing to give one at all can be seen as being obstructive.

Most of the "Bob is an arsehole, but I can't write that" references I see are of the form "Bob was employed here as a $ROLE, for a period of $TIME between $START_DATE and $END_DATE".

It's a bit like the old RAC deal, no signal is the signal. An actual reference, even if it's very mundane like "Bob is punctual and polite" indicates that Bob is probably OK. Including nothing else is a definite warning sign.

ASUS smoking hashes with 19-GPU, 24,000-core motherboard

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Re: What a Topsy-Turvy World

"Not for Bitcoin. You might make a few pennies per year with a GFX."

Dear werdsmith,

When replying to a thread that is not of excessive length, it is often helpful to have read the previous comments. Therein you may discover that the only people suggesting mining bitcoin on this, or my shiteboxen, are people who also wish to point out that it was be very poor at this. That is a strawman argument, and beneath you.

Perhaps a reply assuming I'm mining ETH would make more sense. For the record I dual mine ETH and Decred on AMD, ETH and Sia on nVidia.

There are plenty of mining calculators around. A 1060 single card shitebox will be about 350-400 euro, will do 21 Mhs @ 120 watts assuming terrible parts. Plug in your power cost and away you go.

If you think my shiteboxen are bad at mining BTC, you should see them mining for coal. Disgraceful.... :)

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Re: "mining" cryptocurrency

"So the Cryptocurrencies replace central banks and governments with anonymous rich people to control increase of money supply."

Not anytime soon. The market cap of all crypto is tiny compared to any of the major traded world currencies. Even with massive expansion we're not seeing the end of central bank fiat any time soon.

Introductory macro economics is more about why personal/business accounting and government accounting are utterly different beasts, and that when the right magic words are spoken a Ponzi scheme is not, debt is money, and 100 gold coins from the queen of thorns is less than you might expect. You'll notice that in many textbooks even just a few years old that negative interest rates are not possible, because *reasons* and Keynes said so. After ~10 years of effective negative rates and ~4 years of actual negative rates, they just leave that section out now.

Explaining the Fed (and other central banks) ability to be their own biggest creditor, whilst continuing to issue more money is always fun. I'll always tell my students that if you expect any aspect of the economy to be fair or just, you picked the wrong subject.

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Re: What a Topsy-Turvy World

"People spending $10k on a PC to mine fictional cryptocash"

I assure you crypto is real.

Real enough that the tax department* would like it listed among your assets.

"Or I'm in the wrong line of business."

It's very easy to get in to. I'd assume that about 90% of the reg readers should be able to knock up a shitebox miner from parts laying around plus a GFX card. If you have cheap power, or want a heater in a particular space, it's a no brainer. It's a server with GFX card in it. Set up right, have some sort of monitoring and remote access, leave it alone.

Make sure you pay applicable taxes, and that it's OK for you to run the boxen in the location of your choice.

*the belastingdienst does anyway

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Re: ASIC anyone?

"Why would anyone buy a traditional CPU/GPU system to mine cryptos?"

Because certain of the crypto currancy algos are designed to be ASIC resistant. You can usually guess which algo it is because of the quite different speeds. And the fact that a GPU is being considered at all implies it's ASIC resistant. BTC and LTC are both only viable to mine on ASICs, ETH and XRP are only viable on GPUs and CPUs.

It is not at all helped by the fact that people refer to it as "mining bitcoin" when in fact they are mining something else and getting paid in bitcoin. Or that many people are still throwing their hands in the air about the concept that currency unbacked by an army and a tax collector cannot exist.

I mine on normal kit because the traditional aspect enables me to more easily resell the used parts, and get business licences etc. Saying to the bank/council that I build specialized cryptographic workstations that I then remotely rent out (for legal purposes), and these boxen look suitably like a normal computers, fall under fire safety et al using an existing enclosure and thus are easy to classify. Having a bunch of open rigs would make at the very least my fire/electircal safety come into question.

Oh, and expect a few visits from the cops too. Large power draw + fan noise + heat + business income from BTC = probable cause. They are quite polite about it, and it's not unusual in my hood for such things.

"This Asus motherboard is for researching stuff as it is general purpose."

My rather long winded posts above are that the *specialist* mining cards it proposes using are no better than the general purpose ones.

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"This would get you around $30/day with eth."

Just to put my pedant hat on, it will get you about 0.1 eth per day, at a cost of about 46kWh per day.

Which is indeed about thirty bucks income, 20-25 bucks profit per day :)

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Re: Why the P106?

"Power draw. You are asking the wrong questions. For the extreme miners it is all about power draw. I dont know the specifics but possibly form factor too if it allows cheaper or better cooling."

It doesn't draw less power. In fact, it draws almost exactly the same power as a 1060 when running at ~22Mhs. It can hash slightly faster, but at the cost of more power. I've seen 24Mhs @ 120w per card, 150w at the wall. If your power cost is over US$0.17/KWh, then it's a money loser to run it at higher power.

The P160 has better fans than the entry level 1060. Same heatpipes. Same form factor. If you want a lower or shorter form factor, then there are a range of 1060s for that, my preference is for Zotac. Fans run about 35% for most boxen here, less for the ones in unheated spaces.

The issue remains that it gives a very marginal gain on max speed, no gain on Mhs/watt, and has no real resale value and no warranty. I've had mining cards that ran for 4 years that I could still sell for 30% of their retail price* plus even fairly ancient cards that came with the shiteboxen can still fetch a fiver for someones minecraft box.

If my mining card needs to RMAd as long as I've:

- run it within it's performance envelope

- not buggered with the BIOS settings (encrypted on 1060 and presumably P106)

- run it on compatible and tested hardware (no bloody risers)

- run it in an ESD safe enclosure (case rather than rig)

- used only the manufacturer supplied OC SW

- run it under a "tested" OS

Then my suppliers will replace it anytime within 3 years. Why I'd want to give that up for 4 months warranty for a small potential performance gain is beyond me.

The 1060 was already an amazingly efficient mining card. The 470 has more grunt (and draw) for mining, is in more need of cooling (+5-10 C over a 1060), thus would probably benefit more from a specialized mining only card. But even then, a new 570 4Gb is about 250 euro retail, so any mining card would have to come in under 200 for me to even think about it.

It feels like the responses to the demand for GFX cards are quite odd. Most companies make 3-4 versions of the same chipset and memory combo, with better binning, cooling and more power requirement on the higher end models. Adding another model of fully functional GFX card, with low binned processor, high binned memory and the best cooling, and then pricing it accordingly would seem more logical than making a new range without any cost savings. Or just make more, in response to demand.

Instead it's been used as a price hike. Shortage of supply, price rise, supply resumes, prices kept high.

* x is about 90 cents at the moment. Between 50 cents and 5 euro over the last 6 months

** as an example RX270 2Gb for 50 euro

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Why the P106?

Mobo is nice if you like going the whole rig route. Personally I find it easier to just chuck a card or two in an old/budget box and leave it somewhere I'd like some regular heat.

I still cannot understand why anyone with half a brain would ever buy a P106. The 470 4Gb mining version maybe, but you can compare a P106 directly to a 1060. They cost roughly the same, although you can usually find a 1060 cheaper, the 1060 has full consumer guarantee (2-3 years) versus 4 months, 1060 is likely to have better resale value due to is greater utility. Worst of all they aren't any better at mining than a 1060 made by themselves.

A bog standard 1060 6Gb made by Asus* will do about 19 MHs out of the box. Using Asus GPU tweek you increase the memory speed and fiddle the power target based on what numbers make you happier. I have always got ~22 MHs, with most having a sweet spot about 21.5 MHs for about 80 watts on the card and 110 watts at the wall with a silver rated PSU. 22 Mhs is usually closer to 100 watts.

19*21.5 = 408.5

So 19 P106 in an Asus built enclosure hash at the same rate as 19 1060 in my shiteboxen space heaters, those P106 would cost me more, and I strongly suspect that that funky mobo plus big ass PSUs are going to end up costing more than my shiteboxen.

I think they should have started making riser cards, since they are easily the shittiest component in most mining rigs and should have a pretty high margin. They tend to make me hulk level mad, hence why shiteboxen rather than milk crate rig or other such innovations.

* there's some chip binning and cooling differences between the cards, mainly not significant for mining

Hackers scam half a million from Enigma digital currency investors

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Re: Yawn..

Do more crypto devalue other crypto? Not really. Only if there is some problem that makes headlines and panics specualtors in coin A, resulting in panic about price of coin B.

There are many uses for crypto, the point is usually to have something that is more than just a blockchain transaction (like BTC and LTC) so you the tokens have more use than just money. Hence ETH being quite popular.

Thus there are a number of different algos that a coin can be based on (~10 or so currently) and a number of different coins off each one. So there might well be a winner per algo, but that will still result in ~10 coins at a minimum.

The "roll your own" crypto have been around for ages, at least since LTC started (so 4+ years), and picking a winner versus one of the also rans is pretty hard. But if you mine it and cash it out right away it doesn't really matter what you get paid in. I get my payout in BTC, despite not having any SHA256 miners.

The latest issue for miners (at least) is the mass of ICOs. They are (as noted) like an IPO, except without any legal protections. Or paperwork. Or SEC rubber stamping. Using them as initial funding rounds also puts massive selling pressure on the coins they issued it in (since they need that money). They also are particularly vulnerable to being scammed, as all you need to do is change a wallet address and Bobs your uncle.

Daily Stormer booted off internet again, this time by Namecheap

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Re: Re:I do wish people would stop calling these people "Nazis".

"Let's call them daleks instead... since they both seem to want to kill everyone who isn't exacly like them..."

Nononono! Both the nazi's and daleks kill everyone who isn't exactly like an arbitrary made-up standard*, which include agreeing that they have the right to kill all inferior beings....

* that will obviously not be used to test anyone who is clearly a *proper* whatever. See Hitler and Nuremburg laws

GoDaddy gives white supremacist site its marching orders after Charlottesville slur

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Re: RE : Brexit

"Unfortunately, forgetting about it isn't an option for those of us who have to live here."

You've still got a couple of years yet. Get to the EU while you can :)

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Re: RE : Brexit

"Is there an internet law or adage for the needless or blatant mention of Brexit in a discussion forum???"

It's a discussion about a right wing propaganda website being being dumped by it's hosts because it's content a) went too far and 2) has attracted a lot of publicity.

Turns out there is quite a large overlap between neo-fascists and brexiters. They've bought into the idea that their country/privileges have been taken away from them (equal rights for wenches and darkies! But what about my right be oppress them!!!) and that the only people who can save them are $Strong_Man. In order to eliminate all these enemies of the people, $Strong_Man needs to be given greater powers. Anyone who opposes giving more powers is also enemy of people....

You might as well complain about Godwin's law too. Not a lot of water between the actual nazi's, and these wannabes. Well, the wannabes are pretty snowflake like, whining that after they've been hitting people with sticks, antifa turns up sticks, and violence belongs to the white master race damnit....

Why do you cry when chopping onions? No, it's not crippling anxiety, it's this weird chemical

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Re: Sharp knives are the key.

"...and my ham knife is a Dick"

You are Ramsey Bolton and I claim my five quid :)

Sorry, psycho bosses, it's not OK to keylog your employees

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Re: So he'd been a good employee

What Ben Tasker said.

If you own the company in a place you can dismiss people on the spot, then that's both your right and 100% your call.

However if someone has been there for 4 years and is productive for the company, then good management is to help this person improve rather than kick then out. In cases of petty misconduct (~15 hours of personal use of work machine on company time) a formal talking too might be in order, written warning if you feel the need to bring the hammer down and maybe a final warning if you're setting someone up for the chop.

People are also motivated to change if it affects their livelihood. Use that as a carrot rather than a stick . If someone really isn't wanted, find another way to make it work. Part time, remote work, come back as a contractor, take some leave or cut a cheque and part ways amicably so that down the road their skills are available, rather than belonging to an angry ex :)

Your competitors are also not stupid. One good dicking deserves another.


Management is about improving their workers. Being a dick may cause blowback.

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Re: Fruit of the poisoned tree

"But if the point of the legal system is to accurately determine who is guilty and who isn't, then discarding evidence seems to be somewhat counter-intuitive."

But if it's been obtained illegally, it may not in fact be evidence. The whole point of chain of evidence is that it's not been tampered with. If it is obtained in a fashion not in line with the rules governing evidence, then it is invalid from the first.

At what point to you draw the line? Are we allowed to torture suspects to make them confess, since that is also illegally obtained evidence? How about entrapment? Or evidence tampering, because a cop *knows* you are guilty?

Almost always the difference between legally gathered and illegally gathered evidence is whether the police presented evidence to the courts that would justify a warrant *before* doing the search. That the cops will avoid this if they can is perceived by the judiciary as them attempting to circumvent certain checks and balances, which is why it will often get a severe reprimand.

While TV and Hollywood like to present court cases as being very clear cut, with irrefutable evidence and no contradictions, almost always there are at least some things that do not completely line up. Hence why a jury or magistrate has to weigh the evidence and testimony and decide from there.

Game of Pwns: Hackers invade HBO, 'leak Game of Thrones script'

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Re: The greatest leak of cyber space era is happening

"As I said no one really knows if GRRM is gonna finish his books at the rate he's going. When HBO signed he was already deep into taking untold years to write #5."

He's had the overall plot done for a while. At least since book 3 was released anyway. The writers, producers and some of the cast of GoT are aware of the general shape of the plot, and I presume so is HBO.

The way of story telling and world building in the books is very different to the show. Things are told from a characters perspective, thus there is lot more tell and a lot less show. There are some pretty big changes to assorted minor story lines, and it's not clear if they have been cut or altered and we'll see it later.

There's also the issue with the current part of the story, as essentially there is a period of several years between Cersei's ascension to power and the current invasion. So GRR started writing Dance of Dragons, then realised about 80% was flashbacks, so then wrote it chronologically, which resulted in the most deathly boring book in the series. The next book should be full of stuff happening, as we're ripping through a major battle or two each episode.

So I do have some sympathy for GRRM, he's done some great world building, he's actually got the total plot and a plan for it already, and he really REALLY wants to make it all consistent.

Arcade Fire releases album on USB fidget spinner for £79/$105

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" a danger to a kids development. "

That seems a little over the top. There's some pretty good evidence that they (and other fiddle habits) help those with ADD deal with in a way that doesn't involve us walking out or getting on the speed.

Personally I doodle, so for a 2 hour dull lecture I'll fill three or four sides of A4. Beats falling asleep or playing video games/facebook as I still have enough attention for the useful ten minutes of lecture they slip in.

The issue is that when something is boring enough that I end up sketching, often the people around me become more interested in my drawing than the lecture. Even when I stick to abstracts rather than nudes...

So even if the spinners help the kid with ADD focus, it'll still distract others, so it's value as a classroom treatment is questionable. Don't think it'll be a threat to their development either way.

Google tracks what you spend offline to prove its online ads work. And privacy folks are furious

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Re: It's quite simple don't blame the player, vote to change the game.

"cost of breaking the law < the profit then a for profit company must do it to maximize shareholder value or they risk a minority shareholder lawsuit."

I'm not certain you've thought that through. I'm fairly sure you cannot sue to force a company to make more profit by illegal means.

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Re: This is why you want anonymous payments

"... and confiscated the cash as probable drug money."

To be fair civil asset forfeiture is dodgy as fuck.

I am OK with the general principle that the state has the right that after you are convicted of a crime, they can sue you in civil court for assets obtained by that crime. Obviously if there is a specific victim then it should be compensatory, but if it's social damage, then going into the general tax fund seems just.

I am a bit squeamish about the state using civil courts to seek financial redress from people not convicted of crimes, but I could see potential reasons why specific cases might be valid. A fraudster gives money to their family, then the family member has committed no crime, but has still benefited from the proceeds of crime. However, this opens an avenue to abuse.

I am certain that being able to preemptively* seize assets on the basis that those assets alone are potentially criminal is going to be abused. The civil asset thieving program in the USA clearly shows this is the case. Essentially anything (except probably a gun, NAMBLA will be all over that) that has value can be considered potentially criminal proceeds, therefore a LEO has to decide if a person "looks criminal" and therefore couldn't possibly have legitimate reason to have a nice car or a bag of cash.

As for google ads, it's great. I can tell what my wife has been looking up, so I can "intuitively" suggest that she is probably due a lovely summer dress, or that Italy would be lovely to visit. She also knows exactly which model GFX card I have, since I ended up buying it three times and returning it twice, thus have doubled down on the "sell me what I just purchased" super awesome ML algo...

* to a warrant. Serving a warrant and immediately seizing assets seems OK

BOFH: Oh go on. Strap me to your Hell Desk, PFY

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Re: Benedict?

"Thanks to that link, I've now found the BOFH archive. How am I supposed to get anything done until I've read ALL of them now...?"

Book it under User Sensitivity Training.

Then you can apply it, such as how sensitive they are to cattle prods...

Snopes.com asks for bailout amid dispute over who runs the site and collects ad dollars

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facts and reporting on allegtions

"as has been shown a number of times recently where unsubstantiated rumour has been widely disseminated as facts "

Sorta. The power of weasel words allows you to lie in plain sight :)

So saying "David Cameron is alleged to like pork" sounds an awful lot like "Cameron porked a hog" but leaves you freedom to say "I was just saying that those fellas where just saying that..." and avoid getting sued.

So you can use the following phrases, and then follow them with whatever you want. It's been going on so long some people are hilariously crude with it:

- There are rumors of... ministerial competence

- Some people say... the F35 is a bargain at twice the price

- It is alleged that... bacon is a performance enhancing drug

- A senior government figure, under condition of anonymity, stated... you can't get pregnant when drunk

You can also use semi-rhetorical questions to state false prepositions, like "Given Trump's history of eating babies dipped in hot sauce* and the lack of evidence of voter fraud, is the commission into voter fraud just another attempt at voter suppression?" which again sound all sort of truthy and factoid shaped, but aren't.

* as anyone knows, the correct sauce is bechamel

UK regulator set to ban ads depicting bumbling manchildren

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Bob the slacker

How about Bob the builder then? Since it would more accurately be called "Wendy the Builder, Bob the Bellend Boss" since Bob is always fucking things up, and Wendy is always making things right. Hell, she even gets asked to fix the yard man's printer, although I strongly suspect that was a euphemism :)

UK government's war on e-cigs is over

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Organised crime

Hate to break it to you, but it's not legal in the Netherlands, there's no legal way to grow it, and most of the coffee shops are either owned or controlled by some form of OC. They also use the coffee shops (and legal prostitution) to launder dirty money too.

Legalisation doesn't get rid of the criminals.

CoinDash crowdfunding hack further dents trust in crypto-trading world

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Re: So...

Nah, they stole the ETH being used to buy CoinDash's tokens.

That's why it's an ICO, innit :)

Instead of selling shares for cash (IPO), which involves all this awkward filling in of forms, using bank accounts, having a viable business plan and nasty tax stuff etc, you sell your "totally-not-a-financial-product" in exchange for crypto, neatly bypassing the SEC and the like.

It's one of the reasons crypto is under a lot of selling pressure, as those startups are busy running away with the cash *ahem* I mean dutifully cashing out a responsible amount in order to pay the bills for their totally profit making business.

Juicero does to its staff what your hands can do to its overpriced juice sacks

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Re: Other reasons this is despicable

I could see it being somewhat viable as a commercial product (with it being ridiculously over engineered) and having it as way of serving "fresh juice" without having to clean up as much as a traditional juicer.

But I doubt they can get the logistics of those juice packs down to a viable price for commercial distribution.

In general I feel I must really be missing something here, as I can get a freshly squeezed juice from an assortment of cafes/juice bars/coffee shops for about the same price as a juice pack, including the cost of someone bringing it to me and cleaning up afterwards. Or juice to take home for about half the price.

Burglary in mind? Easy, just pwn the home alarm

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Re: That implies targeted burglary

"If they were targeting they'd go into the nice neighborhoods where the chance of getting really good loot is higher"

My MIL lived with a (supposedly) ex crook who went to jail for receiving. We stayed there for a month when getting settled in the country and he was full of stories about his "old" days. He maintained that stealing from poor people was a bad idea, "working" over a poor neighborhood was worse, since there are more likely to be people home during the day and more likely that there would e some local group of goons that would object to his lot.

So he and his minions would pick a upscale neighborhood, go there during the work day, and clear out half a dozen houses. So the neighborhood would be targeted, but individual properties will be opportunistically targeted.

Hey, remember that monkey selfie copyright drama a few years ago? Get this – It's just hit the US appeals courts

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"For me, the main problem is the idea that a "photographer" should automatically own copyright in a picture they "made" even if the "photographer" used no skill whatsoever,"

That's easy. If they used no skill, none of the photos would be of any use. If you mean "minimal skill" then you still have the issue of the picture being any good, unless I missed the shot composition function on the camera.

Assuming the photographer has the right to take the picture (public place or private property with permission) and has not been employed to take the picture, then *clearly* the image should belong to the photographer. Anything else is just bonkers.

Now, as for anyone who is "creating the scene", depending on where you are you either have an expectation of privacy or not. If not (ie in public) then you get no say. If you do, then publishing those photos would be problematic/illegal. Hence why you sign a model release or equivalent* for any reputable production, even if you're just an extra.

If it's a thing rather than a person, then putting it on private property should prevent anyone from (legally) taking pictures of it.

Photographer has copyright is best of the situation, otherwise you'll be stuck with things like wedding photos where you need to pay for copyright release to the owners of the church, the architect, the builders, the florists, the seamstress and tailor, the cobbler... and so on. Would end up with more nudes I suppose...

* can't recall what the one for filming was, but broadly said that I agree to my image being used for whatever purposes New Line feels like.

NAO: Customs union IT system may not be ready before Brexit

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Re: dichotomy and delay

"Well it might have helped if those who campaigned so vigorously for Brexit had given the implications a bit of thought."

They have. Essentially it's "better to rule in hell than serve in heaven".

The oligarchs who put their money behind Leave did so knowing full well it'll cause a massive amount of grief, and that it'll tie up some of the sharper minds in the EU for a few years, and that (hopefully) the UK will be outside EU control before any of those awkward tax harmonization rules come into play. They also are quite clear that their right to live/work where the fuck they like will also not be impacted. Most (if not all) have dual nationalities with some small island nation, which in exchange for their generous donations and philanthropic gestures will give them not only a passport, but a diplomatic passport.

So it doesn't matter how much of a fuck up Brexit is. In fact, for many of those funding Leave, the bigger the mess, the better.

The problem was (IMHO) that the voting public wasn't paying attention. A referendum (binding or not) is not an effective tool of democracy. It is a tool of autocrats to get a justification to do what they want, while having it as a fig leaf to say "but you asked for it!". And yes, that applies to joining the EU as much as leaving it.

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Re: Not to worry. Brexit probably won't be ready by Brexit either.

"rather than 27 separate bi-lateral trade negotiations High-Chancellor-in Waiting Prime Minister May thought was going to be the case"

I know the leavers don't know/care how the EU works, but how the flaming fudge does anyone think that was going to be the case. I mean, they bang on about how the EU controls the trade agreements, and the UK can't negotiate them seperately, but somehow once the UK leaves the EU no longer negotiates as a bloc any more. Insanity.....

Then again, the Leave plan may have been:

- announce UK is leaving EU

- EU promptly collapses

- individual ex-EU nations beg UK to save them from each other

Which at least has the merit of being a plan, versus the "p and not p" statements that seem to emanate from Mr Davis's speaking hole.


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