The only places where this stuff is restricted are the same typ of places that restrict cameras, camera phones etc. as well. And that is "disallowed because of privat / government property" not because of legal reasons
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Open source is basically useless unless it is actively developed by a steady core of programmers that stay with it for long times. Anyone who has worked on a living software project, even a commercial one where coding guidelines, commenting and documentation can be enforced knows that reading code is more complicated than writing it (Joel on Software had an article about it). And within a company there is a decend chance the author is still there or did a decend transfer job. With OSS he might. Or he just picked up and left.
Used to program in a "pool" software developed by a group of companies with the same special needs and not a concurrency situation back in the 80s/90s. We had strict guidelines, used a very long term stable (15+ years) system in almost identical configurations and still we arranged regular trips and meetings to "talk about details". Now do the same over mail/chat with people who speak a different native language, are not held to well-defined and enforced standards in programming and testing(1) and more diverse systems...
There is a reason the high quality OSS is
Typically dual licenced and typically not using the full GPL (Apache is more common)
Often part of a "value added" commercial package
The backing company pays the core dev team and enforces standards. If the company pulls out - the software dies.
(1) Our software needed government certification before we could use it in production - human lives depended on (and where saved by) it
Nonsense. Commecial buyers with an IT worth the name run extensive tests with the future OS to make sure all needed components run. And most of those tests where done in 2012(1) and therefor with Win7. That is all there is.
Two of our customers (Think 4000 and 10K+ workstations) are currently testing Win8 for mobile devices (Dell and Lenovo tablet pc) since unlike iThingy/Fragmentdroid the Win8 units can run the full set of legacy software. Java Swing/SWT applications do not run on touchy toys but run fine on Win8. Same for Word and Symphony.
(1) No, the 20+ percent XP are mostly NOT in companies. Those are mostly in countries where stealing software is more likely than buying it.
Touch is the part of "tablet" that thankfully is NOT emphasized by MS. Keyboard use (for desktops/notebooks) and pens (or mouse). Fingerprinting is a (IMHO useless no matter what OS) add-on for those who want to produce (Acer W-Series) or buy a cheap tablet instead of a useful tablet pc.
Actually the systems works very nice on non-touch notebooks since the keyboard optimization reduces the need for trackpad/trackpoint (or external mouse)
Thanks but no thanks. Been there, sold the Android tablet. The current system works well on both types of systems - desktops and penables and does so in exactly the same way. One UI, one concept, one set of software.
If you want "specialist" UI - buy an iThingy
Sorry but you are wrong. I have installed more than one generic Windows XP/7 (and one 8) on a non-OEM box and that works just fine for most hardware. Same for our IT that buys "blank" (non OS) boxes from Lenovo and puts an MS supplied Windows 7 on it (volume licence).
>Maybe, but at that it is a failure of epic proportions.
>Most if not all major manufacturers have announced scaling back, or completely abandoning their plans >for Windows tablets. Because of hardware requirements, licensing, lack of apps and a basically poor >quality OS, Windows tablets simply cannot compete on price.
Last I looked the "big players" where either announcing new Windows tablet pc or had them just out:
Lenovo: Helix is just out, Thinkpad Tablet 2 is out
Fujitzu: Q702, Q572 are brand new, T732 is just out, T902 is general available
Acer: P3 will be out this month
Toshiba: New Toughtablet is out
Sony: Vaio Duo 11 is general available
Samsung: Ativ500 and 700 are general available
And those are just the penables. There are quite a few touch only (W700/W510 from Acer, Yoga from Lenovo...) with Win8 out as well.
What the (rightly) do is dropping the underperforming ARM platform for Atom (CTrail and starting Q3/Q4 BayTrail) and core-i and a full sized Windows that can do a lot more than iOS/Android when it comes to running software. Including Multi-platform software
Actually the unit has an active (inductive) pen not a capacitive one. From the looks a Wacom unit. So the "rain" problem has a 30second solution - turn of touch. For the environments this unit is designed touch is likely useless anyway between gloves and dirty hands.
And comparing a netbook (or an iThingy/Fragmentdroid toy) to this is like comparing a Trabant to a Mercedes G. This unit has stuff like internal 3G, up to 8GB of memory, full sized SSD, USB-3, WIDI/Miracast capability and a useful screen resolution. Not to mention lots of computing power and a workdays endurance.
BYOD will always be limited in what you can bring/how you can use it.
If it is the "main maschine" there will be required OS/Antivirus/Security Software on it or it will not be allowed in the company net. One of my former employers allowed limited home office but the software for the VPN only worked on Windows and at startup checked quite for a number of security features AND ran a full AV check.
If it is a "secondary box" then it might be restricted to a "guest network" that can only access a web portal. This is typical for iThingy and similar toys that are at best useable as document viewers
As for silliness - that's what performance reviews and HR are for
BYOD for me was(1) a 12'' penable I use as a
proofreading and commenting tool
design tool for ui drafts
etc. It produces Windows compatible results (It's a Win8 device). It's not the main work device but a supplement.
OTOH later this year I will likely get a T902 with "all the bells" and a dock privatly replacing my aging privat tablet pc and desktop. At that point discussing with the company if
They buy a second dock
They pay for the upgrade to 3G/LTE
and use that as my only box is an option.
(1) Currently have a company convertible for that job
Well given the less than 10 percent chance the next job will use CoJ devices instead of Windows clients this is acceptable. Add in that as a software developer you either
+ Use a OS independed language - in that case working clients have limited problems(1)
+ Use a OS dependend language - in that case you likely won't apply work that job
(1) There can be some when "Can be edited by the boss" is a demand an MS Office does not run on the 1.4 percent system
Been doing BYOD for some time. The requirements IT departments put down left me basically two choices:
Church of Jobs
(Solaris would have been an option)
As an Atheist I choose Windows. BYOD is mostly about clients not about server/infrastructure. Nor about software in many cases. "Must be editable on the bosses maschine" was a killer for the Note 10.1 as a BYOD device since SNote is not generally available while every Windows box since at least Vista has Journal
The Samsung N7x00 series needs the extra screen size since it is designed as a "penable" mini notepad and for writing/reading handwriting the screen size is barely large enough. Makes them big as phones go, first time I use Bluetooth
The Latitude ST is a single core Atom while the Latitude 10 is a dual core Atom. The single core tablets (LST, Q550 etc) had this lag problem in certain situations, one of the reasons was that the CPU did not "throttle up/down" and another was the GPU. The forums at http://forum.tabletpcreview.com/windows-tablet-pcs/ /(tabletpcreview) might help there. Was a reason back then not to introduce the Q550 wide scale.
As for the Samsungs - Ativ 500 or 700? The 700 is a core-i with a limited endurance (4+ h) but more than enough power (I use a similar Asus unit), The 500 is a dual core Atom and IMHO the "worst of the breed". Big screen (11.6'') and Wacom but otherwise not up to the quality and endurance of the L10 or TPT2. The dock had problems and the unit was reported as "too slick" requiring a sleeve for tablet use(3). Both have the "no user replaceable / non upgradable" problem that many current tablet pc have.
As for Windows - no I am not joking. I was tired to undo the damage various relatives let a cousing second degree. a 19year old PFY Gnuliban(2) that would make Eadon look sane did with the "it is free" and "it runs faster" lies allowing them to install Linux. Each time so far something did NOT work and his "skills" are not good enough for WINE etc (nor is his Debian). So typically either my brother in law (1) or I get the "panick" calls and have to spend the weekend driving home (200+ km) to rebuild the for all practical purposes unusable box. Last time I had to do it I claimed that "I have no more Windows licences, new ones cost 50€" and hopefully that money will teach a lesson. It's not as if the relative knows the price. It's a bit "electricity based teaching"
(1) Who ironically is a Solaris Admin
(2) By now I have the urge to solve the problem like our ancestors did and "show him the bogs".
(3) Since it is the same plastic as the N80x0 I believe that
Actually "Cloud" can be a nice solution for some problems. Has been for a long time. There are quite a few ways to run a cloud "inhouse" by leasing dedicated rackspace with two big providers and use that. Keeps the date in your hands, secures it well AND allows mobile users access to the stuff without the "change and email" procedure.
Just like the old "big iron" systems where and basically still are a good solution for many jobs. Many banks/insurance agencies have most software running very thin (or web) clients and keep the data and logic on the server. Works well and keeps the data nicely where it belongs while still allowing customer visits even with 3G data connection.
Yes, presentations on a Windows tablet (W7 or W8, does not matter) works nicely. The core-i units are even better currently since quite a few support WIDI. PP presentation wireless to the beamer, directly adding customer comments on the "to be done" forms (or giving the penable to the customer and have him annotate himself) works great.
No on relatives Penguin infested netbook shortly before shooting the Penguin that a PFY Gnuliban had put there using the "it's free" fosstard special AND telling my relative that this time it will cost him since I have "no more free Windows licence" and he badly needed some Windows software to do taxes :) . Hope the 50€ he paid will keep the PFY away until he gets a UEFI enabled Win8 notebook in Q4.
Office on Win8. Or actually any other Windows software running on a full featured tablet pc. For some jobs even the Ativ500, the worst of the bunch in many ways, beats a notebook (not just a netbook). And for all others it is a high end netbook with decend screen size and all.
Granted, some people are disappointed when they hear "we get tablets" and instead of a shiny iThingy they get workmanlike Dell L10 or Lenovo TPT2. The ConsulTicks with one of our customers last week where. IT, their bosses and Finance OTOH liked it. And since THEY pay us/handle the contracts that's the way we go for the mobile workers (They get L10s since it is a "Dell" using customer)
Home taping never was a problem. A single copy of a 60min record took at least 60min to make and the quality was lower. The resulting copy could be used as a "master" once more than the quality generally was so low it no longer worked. That's why limited privat copies are "accepted" and paid for by a charge on empty media in i.e germany.
The CD burner changed that. Copying became fast and even the 10th "generation" copy was still as good as the original. Even that was not too bad since it still required physical exchange of the media and was mostly restriced to friends/family.
The same was true for copied computer games. It (often) was an effort and the physical exchange reduced the spread. "Professional" sellers more often than not where tracked down after a while since there was a mail trace. Access to illegal sources was limited for most. Add in that many games had a paper handbook and it was often needed and the Web was not there and it worked.
Then came the eMules, Torrents etc. Suddenly it no longer worked. The games/musik where spread extremly wide. Scans of the manuals (and the manual on cd typically theses days) added more problems for the publishers.
Depending on the game I could think of some nice ways to kick Frank Freeloader where it hurts. Simply make some parts of the game require an external component, check the game ID and if it is an illegal/suspect copy switch to a version of the component that makes the game unplayable. Say in an adventure the merchant component always sells too high/has limited stocks and buys to low
A) You can easily skip a version of Windows so the upgrade cycle typically is 6 years. ALL NT-family Windows version have a long support of 8-10 years (see 2000, XP, Vista, 7). Many companies did and will do. Linux LTS is a joke at 5 years and the non-LTS versions are even worse
B) Since the Windows API is rather static and it is the software that requires the training - stick with Windows and keep the training costs low by only re-traing "where to start" and not the rest. The users know where to click in Word - retraining for OO is an extra 8h.
C) IT is more than clients. And even there Windows in an IT environment has benefits (Repositories do not work with company owned software in Linux) and IT has likely the personal
D) Support costs for commercial distributions like RedHat is at least equal to Windows. And no sane IT runs important servers on instable stuff like Debian
With the type of user we are talking about EVERY change takes 8h of training. Those are not IT persons, those are office drohnes. They do their work by memorizing click pathes not by understanding the way it works. So if one switches OS and takes away Word - 8h for the new OS and 8h for OO.
Those users do not use the OS (nor do they understand the concept) they use programs. As long as those remain the same training is easy. The 8h come because training always takes a day since essentially it is
Assemble the 5-8 person training group (Anything larger does not work)
30min show and tell (At this point IT personal is done and can use the software)
Let them try, hand-coach each one (15-30min/person)
Repeat show and tell
The would need that even for a device with a single icon labeled "WORK"
Yes and quite a few. I.e DATEV for online bookkeeping/taxes gets all the bills of most small/medium companies in germany. Since the 1980s. It is considered trustworthy (doing nothing else). And why not? Most smaller companies do not have data important enough that a "cloud provider" would gain enough from selling it to compensate the risks. Example:
A carpenter "around the corner" here is big enough to have two secretaries and a few extra computers as well as a few notebooks for the "Bauleiter" (Master craftsman) on-site. The use Datev for tax and salary like many others and they could easily replace their server with a cloud solution. Actually that might well be faster/more reliable (and no more costly) than the 2Mbit leased line they use now.
Actually Win technically does not require a reboot either most of the time. IE was (and might still be) a bit more deeply wired into the kernel so it was/is a "kernel update". MS simply "plays it safe". Since they offer service packages and those are a good deal the fewer calls come in they reduce problems whereever they can. And a reboot after patch is a good way. It makes sure the changes of the patch/update are in AND it makes sure any problems are depending on THIS patch/update
Since no IT department that knows it's stuff will apply patches directly from MS timing is not as critical either. Patches go through testing and then out through WSUS / ZenWorks etc. centrally. That also bundles the updates from various sources in a "company repository"
For most users XP->8 is an easy transfer. Those users do not use "Windows" they use "shiny green/blue/black/red icon" starting Word, SAP-Client, Datev-client and a special in-house software. Many big companies have long since written launchers or portals that abstract away the OS. As long as there is a Windows-API the actual version is of little importance. User in small companies typically pin the 4-10 applications they use to the desktop (or if advanced the task bar).
So all you need to do is configure Modern either on a "each client" (small companies) or "centrally" (larger companies using Windows servers) base and it is done.
Works for that case. Will not work for other situations i.e where special hardware is used that does not have a Linux driver. I wrote quite a bit of stuff for Interfacing (isolated) PC networks with S5 based networks. The cards would not run under Linux. And when the OS upgrades came, the boxes got upgraded as well since the small IT stuff was not willing nor had the manpower to support more than three OS (SCO Unix, Org/M and a current Windows)
How old are those units? And does the driver say "I will not work" or "I am not supported"? IIRC some HP Scanners said "not supported" but after clicking "do it anyway" worked nicely under Win7.
Sure, money is tight and dropping "still working" hardware is something many (me included) do not like. But after 5-10 years a new device might be ok.
IF the software runs under a proper Unix - why not? Personally I do not care, most of the stuff I have written in the last 15+ years runs fine under Solaris, Windows, MacOS since it it Java based. Some interacts more closely with MS-Products using their file formats but even that might work
OS are a platform, what counts is the software and in a corporate environment the integration and support like SingleSignOn, Printing, Mobile devices etc. I prefer "one OS/UI for all systems" and "supported for the next 10 years" so I typically end up with Windows on client and server but if a customer wants Solairs/HPUX/AIX/OS400 - sure, why not, those work just fine.
Normally I would agree. But XP used some older drivers that do not migrate to Win7. They where an "backup, replace with XP drivers" system but quite a few manufacturers never did. Same for some software that does not work properly with UAC.
The software and printers may have been bought in 2009 but they may well have been written in the days of NT4SP7 (aka Win2000)
There is no "fixing" required, all Win7 software runs fine and Olaf Officedrohne can effectively use Win8 after 30min of "electrical enhanced" or 8h of normal training. Same amount of time he needs for a new software of any kind.
"Klick on the shiny green icon Olaf" <Bzzt> "The Green one, Olaf"...
The question with smartphones as with other computer is
+ Does it fit my style of usage (Stylus)
+ Does it integrate with my other systems (i.e Windows PC)
+ Does it run the necessary software (i.e Sync with Exchange - who cares about Outlook)
+ Does it provide the necessary services (i.e 3G/4G sharing over WLAN)
I.e WP8 currently fails on point 1 but the next two would fit better than iOS and the PenguBased system I am forced to use if I want a stylus. And the last works well.
For me the ultimate solution now is "drop the smartphone" and switching to a 3G equiped Win8 tablet pc and a featurephone. Found that whenever/whereever I could/need use the "smart" component - I had a tablet pc with me anyway (Car has a nav system build in)
Ford making phones would result in
+ Sturdy and with a decent milage
+ Unit being to wide to fit it the typical pocket
+ Unit being to low to the ground for the post 40 to enter/exit easily so a more costly "xMax" model is offered
+ Replacing user serviceable parts will require massive dismanteling and re-assembly/adjustment
Hmm, sounds a lot like a Samsung phone to me...
Ah yes, back in the ole days everything was better and made out of wood.
I wrote software "back in the days" (Commercial since 1987, hobby since 1983) and I am happy that those days are gone even for most microcontrollers. Using the oh so bad modern frameworks, languages etc. is more productive and efficient if you have to maintain/change/extend a program. Back in the early 1990s one of my bosses put this to a point "How many days will you shave of the project if we get a OS/2 unit with 4MB of memory and do it in C instead of DOS and MASM?" The answer was 10+ days at 500+ mark/day. The next day the OS/2 box (an Escom IIRC) was unboxed...
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