Plain brown envelopes are used to pay the gentlemen with the east european accent if you need some password retrieved from say a journalist.
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Plain brown envelopes are used to pay the gentlemen with the east european accent if you need some password retrieved from say a journalist.
Politics get their money in black attache cases.
Unlike many of the Win8 haters here I AM a long term MS customer and
I do NOT want different Windows for different user classes/systems
So we remain with Win8 and the "one to rule them".
Now excuse me, the Admins are playing "drown the Penguin" with the intern and will start turning up the load generator any minute now
Amazon has a nice choice from
Lenovo (Helix and TPT2, some X2x0)
Samsung (Ativ500 and 700t, some Slate7)
Sony (Vaio Duo 11 and 13)
Asus (TF810, Taichi and some EP/B121)
Fujitsu (T90x and T73x)
Dell (Latitude 10)
just to name the ones with Wacom or NTrig inductive digitisers that pop up on Amazon.de. And Amazon has offered them for the last few years (got my current private one there in early 2011). Before that - just visit the next HP/Lenovo/Fujitsu dealer and they sold you.
Did you ever use it or is that from "FossTard Youth Indoctrination 101"?
Oh yes, Android. The 80 percent of iOS system. Makes a nice remote control and a so-so surftablet. Won't do on the desktop (well it might Samsung Ativ-Q style - add on yoke)
Windows/x86 on a tablet pc is a very old hat, at least half a decade older than the iHype (WinXP/Tablet Edition, 2003)
And the matching hardware exists for the same time. Since around 2010/11 the Atom based units where added and SSD became the typical storage making the boxes more rugged.
It jumps back to Modern if you call up the start menu. How often does one do this? And how is that "jarring"
No, it would not. Standard desktop in Win8 works exactly the same as WinNT
A tablet pc is used totally different like a classic unit. They are used like a A4 pad or a book
What does not work? Support and Operations are "tool dependent" and that should work on W8 just fine. Give examples please, general "does not work" get more and more "disbelieved"
Who needs a touch screen on a desktop or conventional notebook? Touch (or rather pen, touch can join Jobs in Hell) is for tablets, convertibles and 2in1 that can make use of it. Like the 900€ S/P. And since all boxes run Windows you can buy based on needs.
The sales guy gets a simple Win8 tablet with Wacom/Ntrig, maybe even a BayTrail. Maybe with a dock for working at his place (There we add a big ego enlargement device or two, say 24'')
The consultant who does some more typing "away from home" a nice convertible like the Duo13 or a Helix (I would wait for the Haswell-equiped "B") with some 8-15h endurance depending on use
Office workers get classic desktops.
Programmers get classic desktops (if only working in-office) or a big full-powered convertible with dock (if working at the customer site)
Win8 on all - it simply works and gives you choice!
Win8 does not need touch, Works fine with keyboard and mouse.
The reason many people do not upgrade is simple: They have a running Win7 box that suits their needs (privat sector) or have only recently (less than 3 years) transited to Win7 (commercial). A core-i system, even the 1st gen, is good for another 3-5 years performance wise so expect few new boxes. And most people get a new OS with a new box.
Upgrades come from people who use tablet pc hardware. Win8 is a benefit there and once you use it replacing Win7 on your desktop is "the right choice" with "one UI for all". That's why I bought additional licences for the desktop (and got company IT to buy a W8 for the convertible). Next set will come between November and March when quite a few of the remaining XP boxes finally get taken out and shot. I.e dads ole dimension (P4, original model) will be one of them and he will get a shiny new Win8 system (unless I dislike the Baytrail and go T90x - than it's a used ivy bridge HP Pavillion with W8)
Family support for WinXP and 7 ends November 1st 2013. After that - Win8 only!
Surface or Surface/Pro? The latter is a nice unit for quite a few business jobs. 4+h or endurance is good enough for presentations, meetings etc. and the unit can do WIDI and run all the "usual suspects". No guessing wether that Powerpoint runs, that video shows, that special "windows only" software works - it will since it IS a Windows box. And from a lengthy experience - tablet pc like the S/P and it's siblings work great as meeting tools replacing whiteboards (WIDI to the beamer), notepads and all. And in a company environment you simply sync the data over Sharepoint if you prefer a "bigger box" for the regular work.
Granted, a Fujitsu T-series / Lenox X2x0 is more powerful and capabel (replacing the desktop easily) but it also costs about trice what an S/P costs and is at about double in weight
Oh not that old FUD again. NOBODY is forced to use touch on Win8. It works just fine with keyboard and (if you insist) a mouse. On typical "heavy duty" desktop workstations with dual monitors and all.
On non-touch units modern is just another start menu. Unless you are one of the few people who used a specific capability of the old one - no feature is lost and some quite nice tuning was done.
And it is the ONLY OS to work on convertibles/2in1 in ALL modes!
5 years LTS (and that is rather new) is really "funny" for a server OS and borderline useable for a desktop IF you "buy in" at the start of the LTS cycle.
And the LTS only applies to "selected distributions" not the OS in general. Debian is what, less than two years for security patches? RedHat is useable on servers but the support contract costs are high so one might as well look at other, longer supported alternatives, including UNIX systems.
Cute FUD but FUD.
Most of those "big companies" run a mixed environment and have done so since before most Pinguboys where born. OS/400, z-Series, Solaris, Windows - all in the mix. They make decisions based on "will I get support in x years" with x >> 3 and "will I get hardware that runs this in x years". And that is why they end up with "everything BUT Linux" in most situations. And IF they do Linux - RedHat with a support contract. Saves no money.
I wil never understand the need for crutches like Start8 and company. Win8 is different sure. So was the switch from CP/M -> MS DOS -> Win 3.x -> WinNT4 ->.... Not to mention the various XWindow based UIs that more often than not was "take it or forget it" (Motif, OpenWindows, the various PenguBased UIs)
So this is just another switch. And once you get rid of "grandpa Xerox / auntie XP did it this way" actually a very easy one.
@ Pascal Monett
And what do you install on a convertible or 2in1? Win8 actually IS choice:
I can buy whatever hardware I need from a lil Atom to a huge core-i (non ULV)
I can use that hardware, even the same, how I want (tablet, notebook, desktop) without install/uninstall
Icon on desktop - why? It's "Win" key and there they are. Easier than digging out ye olde desktop from under the windows
Fullscreen apps - Change the "open with". Or have the admin do that company wide. Fixes the problem instantly
And gone are your complains. Win8 works very nicely on a productive (software development) system since Oktober here
And how much of your software is no longer working or had to be replaced with "80 percent" FOSSTard copies to make that switch? If it's a mobile unit - how much battery endurance did you loose?
And what is keeping users from
Using regular monitors
Using regular applications from whatever source
Using a mouse
on Win8? Oh wait - NOTHING!
You can even use a KEYBOARD with the thing. And multiple non-touch monitors.
What monopoly? There never was an MS monopoly nor is there one. Throughout it's career there where alternatives. Widly available alternatives that often, on paper, where more powerful than the MS DOS / MS Windows boxes of the same time. That where in the big shops and chains (at least here in germany)
Not in the chains but easily available for corporate use:
Various solid PC Unix (SCO, Interactive, later Solaris/x86 etc)
Various Unix workstations and servers
And still - the people bought and used Microsoft. Both privat AND corporations
Okay, what Linux distro has
+ Support for my current and planned hardware that includes stuff like WACOM/NTrig pens, Miracast / WIDI etc.
+ Software to make use of that hardware with good handwriting and speech recognition
+ Reliably runs my development tools including Oracle DB and Word (customer demands and we obey!)
The OS, OS tools and the MS software are maintained by a central "repository" since more than a decade. That accounts for all Linux does, after all "Linux is just the kernel"...
For the rest (and actually for the MS delivered updates as well) Windows has central software delivery/rollout in the company environment since a long time (WSUS), It works different from the "central repository on a system I do not control maintained by a guy I do not know" approach of Linux in that it is set up individually for your company by your admins.
One can debate the pros and cons. For privat user the "Linux" approach might be hande, for company users it is not. No sane admin will blindly push updates from an external source into the net so he needs a company package management server anyway. No changes to WSUS. Given that the Linux approach depends basically on the Distribution managing decend repositories and doing so for a rather long time the Linux approach has limits.
App stores are basically just a solution to a phone problem (Webshops don't work so well on 3-6 inch screens) that got transfered to tablets by Apple. You can use it (and apps) on Win8 - or you can install software the old fashioned way. Your CHOICE! (And choice is good says the Great Neckbeard IIRC)
For me it is simple:
It has some nice improvements over Win7 in parts that I use (WLAN connection, re-establishment of drive mappings on boot etc) that saves me time and effort when I start my client
For me it works fine on tablet pc AND desktops. And since I use both (privat) or a convertible (job) that means one system for all units. I prefer that to the "what was the way to do x on OS y" of using more than one OS.
It can replace a smartphone completely. My privat "smarty" is basically reduced to "long running but overpriced MIFI router" since whereever I lug a Note2/can use it - I lug and can use a tablet pc. For job use I would like some Modern apps that offer a bit more in the mail/contact range (A "modern style Notes" since we use Notes/Domino)
There may be better tablet os (don't use iOS much, Android sure isn't) and better desktop os (Mac-10 sounds nice) but Win8 is the "best blend" of both.
Interesting. Generally Win7 works with tablet pc within it's limits of "not good for touch" and ASUS has a nice W7 unit out in the EP/B121 (works with W8 as well). Since the Taichi is at heart a pen-based systems with touch add on I had expected better support for W7 (i,e the current gen Fujitzu kit supports both OS and you can choose)
XP needs the "tablet edition" (or at least the add ons) to make use of tablet hardware as far as I remember (never used a Stylistic without XP/Tablet)
And how many of the quite costly hardware features of the Taichi would not run, run in "80percent mode" or lack support software?
Outlook without Exchange, Notes without Domino, Rheinmetall MG-3 without a second gunner/ammo carrier are basically useless and/or too heavy for what they can do.
As for the rest - ask a WP8 user, not me
What is the use of sync with Outlook? The WP units can sync with Exchange they do not need to use a client to speak with the server.
BT file transfer? Why in the days of WLAN?
Walled garden? Maybe but at least one with a gardener that takes care of the plants for more than six month. Better than the "Hippy garden" where no one looks after the stuff and more choice than the fruitpacker company
Depnds on what the Baytrail units deliver when they come out. IF they got 4GB of memory and a decend boost in graphics and cpu speed they can replace the average privat/office system except for games. Current gen C-Trails are restricted by their 2GB and "pseudo SSD" limitations, both gone on Baytrail
OTOH as soon as I go above 5inches I need a bag/attache case for the unit anyway (unless you are into cargo throusers). And if I get at that point units like the Sony Vaio Duo (13 or 11+Sheet) or Lenovo Helix look very tempting.
What "WP7 victims"? WP7 is still getting updates and bugfixes. No Upgrade to WP8 but unlike quite a few abandoned Androids with known bugs all WP7 units are supported. And we are talking "top of the line" from HTC and Samsung that got abandoned, not landfill units.
Sounds nice. Now if Nokia adds pen support and maybe a N770 style case I buy four (Me, dad, mom, grandma) and play "drown the Fragmentdroids in the (e)bay"
The german Greenies ARE a bunch of NIMBYs with some Luddites and Fanatics thrown in for good measures. To see a nice example of green "intelligence" look up "Datteln 4". Short version:
A new plant (D4) was build to replace three older units at the same site. Some laws/rules where not uphold. Now instead of putting a heavy fine on e.on and change the rules (quite possible) the Red/Green government stopped this because the Greenies screamed "evil, evil, evil" So the three older, dirties and less efficient plants are still operating. Originally only until end of 2012 (Decree of the green Ministry of Environment) now with special permits until 2014.
Now comes the yoke: D1/2/3 (and D4 if it ever goes online) produce power for - The german train system!
About 20 percent of the used power. That's why the greenies where willing to "allow a longer operation time", otherwise their beloved trains would have stopped working.
And don't get me started on the "A30 -> A2 link" in Bad Oeynhausen:
"Umweltschutz für jede Schnecke und der Mensch bleibt auf der Strecke"
I know. But I would very much like to see the Greenies ANSWER for what they are doing to Germany with their stupid plans and ideology. And such a law would prevent the greenwashing.
What we WILL get around 2025 (at the latest) is a nation where:
Industrie that needs reliable and affordable power has left for states like Sweden/Norway (already happening)
Business that needs reliable power (like data centers) end up "everywhere BUT germany) - also already happening
A "nannycraty" that makes "Demolition Man" look like Utopia - google "Eintopfsonntag"<<<<VeggieDay
A nation that is either the laughing stock of europe since it dances around claiming "we use 100 percent clean energy" while buying (at high prices) from outside OR that faces power rationing, brownouts and in the winters a well above west european rate of elderly people dying.
Actually the latter would be preferable since that might result in the greenies getting Hemp delivered free of charge. But it won't be the THC heavy type of hemp...
Greenwashing is an old hat, just ask Austria. For years they bought power at night from german nuke plants, used that to pump water up to reservoirs. In the day they used that for power generation. So Austria was "all water power, no nukes"...
Hydro IS included and was actually a sizeable part of it until "every hug-me greenie and teacher" startet putting solar panels on the roof. It is still the most reliable and constant of the mix. That's why it's percentage has declined over the years.
IMHO we (germans) should pass a law forbidding direct or indirect import of power generated by "outlawed" technology (soon nuclear). Granted, that will result in the "winter of dead grandmas" as soon as the "coal generated energy" is also outlawed but that is a small price to pay for getting rid of the Greenies
Capacity the size of Berlin. Hmmm could we actually use BERLIN as a site of a dam?
Already done and called Pumpspeicher in german. But it needs a hight difference and a ready supply of water. The combination is not that common in many parts of germany. Not to mention that the Greenies WILL protest any new reservoirs. They did on two occassions in the last 5 years.
Geothermal and Germany only share the first two letters. Not much geothermal activities and the last tests at "artificial" geothermals (similar to fracking in the method) where "sub-optimal" to be polite.
Water can do a bit more but try building a dam, a "in river plant" (or even enlarge one) and it's "Greet the Greenie protesters", We had this Müsli recently when an old unit got replaced/enlarged. From the "Luddites" to the "the poor fishies" group all the nuts and flackes where out in force
Hydrogen actually has limits on how much can be added to the CH4 (natural gas) system. So using "green" energy to produce CH4 is a better way. But even that has problems since the pipeline system is not big enough as a storage and the "Greenie special" of the "fast, easily regulated gas fired powerplant" is a myth. Either you burn the stuff in a conventional plant with steam turbines and get basically the same startup times as a coal plant (Heating up the steam is the time consuming part) OR you use what is essentially a gas turbine with all the nice side effects (heat, noise)
Unless someone comes up with a reliable storage that can cover weeks (We had basically six weeks dropout this winter from solar and wind) the classic power plants are needed
What's the problem with tearing out walls in underground bunkers? That's what "Karl" is for! We borrowed the Amis one back in 45, don't tell me they have lost it!
In german we say "getroffene Hunde bellen" (Kicked dogs bark). Your latest mail sounds like a whole dog pond.
NO Android device and few non-Androids offers user upgradable/replaceable parts. If you want those AND a Wacom/NTrig => Basically a Fujitsu T-Series or a Lenovo X2x0. The Dell Lat10 has a user replaceable battery but that's it.
If I want long battery life and better performance than a dinky lil Note 10.1 / Note 2 => Atom based units from SumSum, Lenovo or Dell. All a LOT more stable and mature than the Note (an I tested that for 3+ month as a replacement for a Win7 tablet pc). And as a current user of a N2 - The software STILL sucks compared to Win8. Sadly no WP8 mobiles with pen out so I am stuck with the N2 for a smartie currently
The S/P and it's siblings (Ativ 700) are for those who need more speed, more memory and a faster SSD (unlike Androids and the Atoms there is a real SSD in there) and OTOH don't want (or need) the battery capacity (and price/weight) and user-upgradability of a T-Series. Works fine for me with an older sibling since 3-4h in the typical tablet pc mode are good enough for most jobs. Haswell changes that but when the S/P came out - Haswell was not available.
If you need the power of a core-i and long runtimes you can go the Sony Vaio (11+sheet or 13) or Lenovo Helix for ULVs and below 2kg route but neither has upgradable/serviceable parts.
If you demand what is essintially a T902 on a Surface/Pro price - that IS either bias or stupidity. Because NO one will deliver that! If an S/P is not good enough - add a 1000€ to the price and buy something else.
Because NO one delivers a full powered convertible at 800€!
At least there would be a horse and not a hole in the floor (iOS) or a gerbil (Android). And you could shoe the horse (and even insert a new one in some models) unlike Android
Well, my usage option is different, use it since last year on tablet pc, convertibles, desktops. Love it, works stable, fast and mature unlike Android (Note 10.1 - gone thanks to eBay) Quite a few customers and family use it "as is". Like it as well
But even if you insist on "the ways of grandpa Xeros" where is the problem. Win7 is an option on the T-Series. Not as good as 8 but still head and shoulder over the toy breeds
Tested CAD on a Fujitsu T-Series with docking station and had problems? What problems? Because those convertibles are using full powered core-i CPU and all the other workstation features. We are not talking touchy toys here. Same for Cintiq and similar systems.
The Trabant is a piece of plastic crap (Hey, just like most Androids) while the Ford is a sturdy, useable vehicle (like Windows tablet pc)
I take the Ford and run over the Trabbi. Heck, some Win8 tablet pc can emulate a Fragmentdroid or (in theory due to lack of OS image) iThingy with a single core. Running in powersafe mode. While doing Word on the other half of the core.
Why not? My T731 is both a powerful (if heavy) tablet pc and a full-powered workstation. If I want 2x24 inch - dock the unit and go. If I want a tablet - eject from dock and go. And in the rare case I need a notebook - take out of sleeve, swivel screen and go.
Other units use different concepts (sliders and a USB-3 dock, fixed docks you put the tablet in etc) but they all work nicely. In some cases even for CAD.
Btw: CAD and other design jobs and WACOM systems are not that uncommon. Granted, external units (Cintiq or Bamboo) but not uncommon
What is the problem? Don't use the app, on Windows you have a full capabel browser for Facebook, Youtube etc
Smart idea, giving all your data to a trustworthy organisation like the GMail Man. Ja, really smart
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