"even if fossil fuels WILL destroy civilisation as we know it within a dozen or two decades"
Drink Koolade? Check.
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"even if fossil fuels WILL destroy civilisation as we know it within a dozen or two decades"
Drink Koolade? Check.
"The only argument I've heard which I could technically accept is that they spoil the scenery"
The access roads destroy pristine environments. If you can restrict wind farms to FARMLAND, then that's better. The there's the problem of infra sound, the low frequency pulse that is created when the blade passes the shaft. This isn't ordinarily audible, but the pressure wave travels across the land having a non-imaginary effect.
Then there's the effect on bird life, especially if the turbines are located too close to nesting sites. Have you not heard the term "bird mincer"?
"we live in a society where we *know* there is injustice and *know* we must expose it *wherever* we find it "
Actually, I DON'T live in Saudi Arabia, so (other than boycotting their products) I'm not sure how I can make a difference there. Pay the airfare for a feminist to visit the place?
"having been blindsided by a skinny black guy once,"
Indeed, just look at all the damage/change he achieved, his first heroic action being to close Guantanamo Bay...
"A guy named Bernie Sanders noted that the people of countries with government paid tuition and healthcare seem to not go broke as often"
You mean Ireland, Greece and Italy? Or Cuba and Venezuela?
200ft? I'm not familiar with a shotgun that can hit a target at a vertical 200ft.
" AGW theory is also coherent, fits with observations - and makes testable predictions. "
You don't have a good handle on your theory: the models do NOT predict. All the modellers seem to have resiled from that word. And as the models can't even hindcast, they've surely failed the "test"?
We've had 18 years of no warming. How many years of no-warming do you suggest we wait for before the "predictions" have ben "tested"?
When the temperature in the Arizona desert ceases to fall dramatically after dark, I will truly begin to believe that CO2 is a serious "greenhouse" gas. Until that time, I will equate humidity with night-time heat.
You appear to be confusing solar irradiance and solar wind. SOlar wind's influence is thought to come from the effect of cloud: more wind, less clouds, more solar energy reaches the surface.
"However, at some point the oceans will start emitting that stored heat"
Wow, on not much more than 10 years of argo sea temp data, you believe that atmospheric heat is diving into the oceans? It's a THEORY that MIGHT help explain the plateau in temps (that some folk can't even bring themselves to believe is happening).
Indeed, a single unemployed gentleman may be expected to move, but the recently widowed lady with two pre-schoolers, one with a severe disability, may well find it a little harder.
What about a long term illness? Ever suffered that? What about the death of your spouse while you have a child aged 1 and another aged 3?
You, sir (cunt) give right wingers a bad name.
"Wind has been generating over 10% of UK electricity demand for the last week. It works and offsets generation that would otherwise produce carbon emissions"
Could you please add up the total cost of the installed wind farm capacity in the UK. Now see if any other source of 10% of our leccy production comes anywhere near that in terms of cost.
Now factor in the amount of co2 expended in producing the concrete foundations, the indigenous folk displaced and the pollution for the rare earth mineral mining and processing, the birds minced by blades, the eye-sore factor, the access roads that criss-cross what was beautiful unspoilt countryside, the co2 from the stand-by gas power plants that are running, the disturbances on the grid, the cost of taking the grid to a low density power source often located out in the boons.
Now look at the inexplicable hiatus in warming that has gone on for 17 years, in spite of increasing co2 levels. Do you REALLY think wind mills are a good idea?
In the UK and Japan they are waking up to the reality of the issue of Excess Amplitude Modulation.
"I think you'll find there is no known past precedent for the current rate of CO2 rise. Especially on the logarithmic scale that defines it's impact."
Um, isn't it an INVERSE logarithmic impact? After CO2 levels double, we get (say) 2degree warming. So 220 to 450ppm. Then it has to double AGAIN to get another 2degrees warming, i.e. from 450 to 900ppm.
He plays rugby for the Hurricanes! ...although he goes by the name of "Jeremy Thrush", maybe for tax purposes?
And that's an Epic Hop Zombie.
Well, I like crisps, they must have read your comment, cos they gave u a thumbs down. Either that or a soft Cockburn read your comment...
So a guy spends a couple of hours being Hugh Heffner, why the big deal lol.
"settles back to equilibrium"
FFS: the "average" climate state is close to ice age. What ever brought on past ice ages will bring future ice ages.
"Dams are better "
They sure are! ...unless you live on a small, densely populated island with little in the way of mountains/high hills.
JamesQuirk, I think we can all agree that coal has draw backs. Where we can agree to disagree is whether CO2 is a pollutant or not.
So ideally, in the UK, gas is better than coal. You would like dams, however, dams flood large areas of land, not a goer in the UK. They're okay in Australia, and you can just about get away with it in NZ. But be advised, greenies, to whom you would wish to be associated with, hate dams. But in fact they seem to hate anything that brings energy to the proles and allows them to live a life.
JamesTQ "cause we be growing food indoors, soon "
Err, no: with global warming, won't we simply return to farming in Greenland and northern Russia...?
"Systems for Water, (because that’s what we may be doomed to fight over ...) "
There's no shortage of water, only a shortage of infrastructure. It is reckoned that the London area population has increased by 10 in the last 20 years, while reservoir capacity has been increased by 0% in the same time...
JamesTQuirk, the Thames Barrier was built to combat storm & tidal surges, likely to worsen as the SE of England continues to dip/NW of Scotland rises. CAGW was not a concern when the barrier was first considered as far back as the 1920s.
The Thames Barrier was not built in response to CAGW: construction began in the 70s, when cooling was all the rage.
Err, your air con is power by your 180bhp engine, not by your 12v battery....
My wife loves her transformer, too, as she is a touch typist. probably only detaches the keyboard about 50% of the time: when not typing, it is a good "stand". Also, it was great having a touch pad when she cracked the screen and touch screen no longer worked: she could continue to use the machine until the parts arrived. Plus the extra battery in the keyboard is useful when using the machine as GPS in the car or on long flights.
Yep, I'm still using my S (which was a hand-me-down) and all my PCs are built using 2nd hand cpus: Q6600 still runs media and most apps across 3 screens, excluding latest games.
"Whacking millions of tonnes!"
So we go from 250parts per million in preindustrial times to close to 500 parts now? That a change from 0.025% to 0.05%.
JS19, I'm still laughing from "Children Just won't Know What Snow Is" and "The Artic will be Ice Free by 2013" and "28 Climate Change Experts Have Met with the BBC And agreed That The Science Is SOOOOO Settled that Skeptical Views Need Not be Aired"!!
Luckily these days, we have the Wayback Machine to help us remember.
Oh, so CO2 is a POISON now? Jesus: all those plants need to be told!
You are making the same mistake a lot of genuine greenies have made: using CO2 as a proxy for pollution. I completely agree with you on pollution, by the way. But unfortunately, due to the focus on CO2, the ball has been dropped in other fields such as pollution, deforestation, overexploitation, etc, It also sees greenies preferring diesel cars over petrol cars, overlooking the soot problem that burning diesel brings.
It's also why the genuine greenies are confused, so HAVE to protest against fracking: they see gas CO2 as being as bad as coal CO2... whereas in reality, burning coal is one of the most polluting ways to get our energy needs. If we fracked for gas, we could replace all coal fired power stations and maybe even convert our bus fleets to run on LPG or CNG. This would improve air quality in our cities.
Fake greenies (i.e. anti-capitalists and/or malthusians and/or luddites) see ALL forms of relatively inexpensive energy as bad, as it leads to what they call "increased consumption" or what real people might call "a better standard of living".
Actually, whilst the energy changes may be minor, it is the effect that sunspots (or rather the current lack of) have on CLOUD FORMATION that the scientists say are having the effect. Sunspots are bursts of radiation that "blow away" cosmic rays that come from out side of the solar system. The cosmic rays appear to stimulate cloud formation, so more sun spots, less cloud, more sunlight falls on the earth, thus higher temps. So a lack of sunspots mean, according to this theory, that we get more cloud/less surface sunlight/lower temps.
Clouds reflect sunlight/heat back into space.
1. Not for 17 years they haven't
But don't let me stop you: keep buying those shares in wind turbine and solar panel manufacturers, lol.
A lack of CO2 would be a disaster... since it is important for plant life. Since the level of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased, plant growth has improved. Some scientists think that higher CO2 means lower moisture loss through leaves, as their pores need not open so fully, thus less water consumed by plants. Win-win.
And without co2 and water vapour? I guess all the world would be like the Arizona desert: hot during the day, cold at night. Funny how it is cold at night, though, in spite of all the CO2.
Unlike humid Manila, which is hot during the day... and hot at night.
Makes you wonder about the power of CO2 as a greenhouse gas when deserts, with heat coming off the ground at night, is still a bit too cold...
Good try there, trying to rewrite history, Graham. Orwell would be pleased.
Luckily, some folk have compiled a bit of a db of the news:
He'd certainly wonder how a man who had achieved nothing of note, nor held any office, got voted in as President. And then, after 4 years of nothing much, got voted in again.
So we gotta wait for Schmidt, Nurse, Slingo & Mann to die before we can shake this CAGW guff?
" If you wanted to keep your phone for 4 years you could. "
Eh? Two iPhone 3GS died (well, the batteries died) 53 weeks after purchase. Replaced (at a cost and a shed-load of hassle) by "refurbished phones of similar condition".
No thanks, no fixed battery ever again. Samsung? Plasticy, but do what they say on the tin. Still loving my Galaxy SII. Thinking of Xcover II (or some other water-resistant phone) as a replacement when I lose or break the SII.
This US law professor explains why one should never talk to the police. It's a long watch, but rewarding.
Don't stop just with the map: look at satellite view and street view. Then you may have spotted the bicycle barriers.
Hmm, I too looked at google maps and saw a huge motorway like road and thought "That can't be the bypass that Sean Timarco Baggaley was on about, it must be someother road not even visible in sateliite view. Unless Sean Timarco Baggaley hasn't looked at google maps for a while...".
...and you can buy a new kindle and all your books will be downloaded to the new device.
Actually, pretty much the entire southern hemisphere is imune to hurricanes. But we do get rather a lot of cyclones.
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