* Posts by pɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ

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It's nearly 2019, and your network can get pwned through an oscilloscope

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Re: @Martin - Why is insecurity 'inevitable'?

The bean counters should be packed onto the B ark.....

They just dont see the benefit of getting a job done right to start with. they have a choice.. they pay someone competent to develop a network interface for said bit kit. To do the job properly its going to cost say 7 figures. They pay up and then the products works perfectly and never has a problem, no security issues.

next time around, said bean counters nephew says " you can just throw wifi module you can buy off the shelf for 50p each from some Chinese distributor with a few lines of code and a 3p write once micro controller from the same distributor, I can write your code for a few quid, plus I will feed some of that fee back to you....,

which one gets the job? which one should get the job?

the thing is, 2 years down the line, some info-sec bod finds a gapeing hole in the security . they withdraw the product off the market, modernise the case, buy a different network module, release the same product again, but bump the price, sell the same product to the same customers (with a little discount)

now which one will the bean counter go with?

What a meth: Woman held for 3 months after cops mistake candy floss for hard drugs

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Coat

I would be scared shitless....

I would be scared shitless to make a claim against the police in United States of America. Look what happened to Steven Avery after he made a multi million dollar claim for a wrongful conviction.... You get stitched up on a murder charge...

Mines the one with the stitched up pockets so nobody can slip anything illegal in it....

Microsoft sysadmin hired for fake NetWare skills keeps job despite twitchy trigger finger

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Mushroom

Re: Had it the other way around...

I was sent to a certain nuclear plant to perform Y2K checks on their servers...

I was part of the team that went to all the nuclear sites rolling out the new desktop computers.with 3 weeks before we were supposed to be hitting to road with truck loads of kit, manglement still had not worked out a plan of backing up everyone's local data. Originally it was to be backed up over the network to our own folders on the Novell network, but after half a dozen tests and lots of screaming from the server guys about the volume of traffic being sent up and down the country.

so a meeting was held to ask everyone on the team for ideas. the problem was the massive number of different computers with different hardware, the computers had to remain intact, so ripping hard drives out was out the question.

I came up with the idea of installing novell netware on desktop computers (you couldn't install netware on a laptop) then just plugging the client into it with a crossover cable, throw a floppy disk in with a bat file to search out and copy all files for supported packages, and then copying the data to the local server. plug in the new computer, run a different bat file to drag the data back on to the new computer. everyone was given a date to back up their own data for non supported software. in most cases it took lass than 20 minutes to transfer data over to the new machine....

roll-out went well and no nuclear sites went tits up....

Bloke fined £460 after his drone screwed up police chopper search for missing woman

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Black Helicopters

Re: Priorities

I read it as the police choppper headed for home (due to the risk from the unknown drone)

this reminds me of section in a book i read once,

Mr. Prosser:

Do you know how much damage this bulldozer would sustain if I just let it roll over you?

Arthur:

How much?

Mr. Prosser:

None at all.

I am almost certain that a helicopter could suffer no damage at all if it was to make contact with a drone... the most vulnerable part of a helicopter has to be the tail rotor and i believe most police helicopters have a fenestron to limit noise, but will also protect it from bird strike or small drones...

but the thing is, its first class pricks like this, and that tit that buzzed the bears on that mountain that was all over the news last week and others that go buzzing over other peoples property that screwing the hobby up for everyone who acts responsibly.

GDPR USA? 'A year ago, hell no ... More people are open to it now' – House Rep says EU-like law may be mulled

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Re: Kudos to him

but it's refreshing for a politician to have an open mind, admit they've changed their mind, and may even be wrong.

That's the sort of speaking that raises my confidence in such people

its that sort of talk that makes me worry what the real motive is....

Apple breathes new life into MacBook Air with overhauled 2018 model

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Re: Mac mini SSD

M2 socket? That would be SO sweet!

that's as likely to happen as Steven Avery getting a fair trial......

Apple recently have been baking boards with ram and SSD direct on the main board so is not possible to change or upgrade. so the 120gb SSD is nothing more than a drive for the OS and everything else needs to be saved somewhere safe off the computer because if it breaks and you take it to apple to fix, you get a factory reset computer, even if the drive did not need to be wiped. and a hole in your wallet where the price of a new machine was....

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Re: Well it will look so stylish...

and goes into landfill..

No, take it to the apple store and get a quote for $1200 then take it to an independent repair shop for a $5 DC power in cable...

https://youtu.be/V7RXJP4mxCc

SQLite creator crucified after code of conduct warns devs to love God, and not kill, commit adultery, steal, curse...

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Re: I have a code of conduct

" I think along the lines of "Use common sense and don't be a dick towards other people", but these days Equality & Diversity seems to need a manual and a mandatory training course before it is taken seriously. "

Equality & Diversity is almost impossible to take serious any more when the people who decide what breaches Equality & Diversity are special snowflakes of the highest order who get people sacked for saying that women do not have a penis....

London flatmate (Julian Assange) sues landlord (government of Ecuador) in human rights spat

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Black Helicopters

its a strange one with Assange.

I do agree to a point with his leaking of documents that expose wrongdoing on a government level, but on a personal level I cant help but think hes a first class prick and is not helping himself.

its total bullshit that a woman goes to the police to ask advice if she can force someone to have a HIV test and then a few days later the whole thing ends up as a rape charge.

I have no doubt that the men in suits, dark glasses with an earpiece with matching microphone up the sleeve are out to get him. What does he expect? you poke at a sleeping dog its going to bite you. eventually.

Now hes having a go at the people who have kindly kept him out of an American spooks prison cell. I would not be surprised if they kicked him out the embassy. If someone was staying in my house for years paying no rent or anything towards the food bill, then started to complain at the internet access then I think he would be out the door, or at least direct him out the back door and off to an airport on a dark and misty night, slipping past the spooks watching the door for him.....

Raspberry Pi fans up in arms as Mathematica disappears from Raspbian downloads

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Childcatcher

Re: 300 baud!? You were lucky...

"... There were a hundred and sixty of us living in a small shoebox in the middle of the road, cueing up once a week for a chance to use the village carrier pigeon."

at least you had a shoebox, we only had the lid..... and there was 500 of us taking it in turns for the carrier snail....

Samsung’s flexible phone: Expect an expensive, half-bendy clamshell

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Re: I still think a bifold device will be a market failure

"Just look at the notch, everyone knows it's stupid and yet all phones now have one"

My note 9 does not have one...... but I agree its stupid, even apple hide it in the promo photos...

NASA's Chandra probe suddenly becomes an EX-ray space telescope (for now, anyway)

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Facepalm

Re: we all know it will actually take 10 mins

"I really really hate that meme."

my major malfunction is that I am crap at estimating timescales for job completion. My general rule of thumb is however long I think it will take, double it, get my PA (aka the missus) to check the times, she usually doubles that, and then I just about get done with a seconds to spare....

I have gotta say I do work better when time is limited, and I believe Parkinson's Law comes into play a lot of the time...

Oracle? On my server? I must have been hacked! *Penny drops* Oh sh-

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Re: 128K of ISDN

modems..... how lucky you all were...

try an acoustic coupler !!

Super Micro China super spy chip super scandal: US Homeland Security, UK spies back Amazon, Apple denials

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Occam's razor

apply Occam's razor to this, then the most likely thing is that Bloomberg has been duped.

how hard would it actually be for some organisation to come up with the number of informants that Bloomberg got its reports from, putting into place enough paper trails to make the sources look real.

then look who suffered and who gained.

Astroboffins may have found the first exomoon lurking beyond the Solar System

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: Habitability

the majority of scientists are in no way religious, and scientists will not accept anything as fact without evidence. so to say "Scientists hold a religious belief (unsupported by evidence) that life began in primordial seas" is just not true.

an experiment back in the 1950's by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey where they mixed a chemical solution of methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water in a flask, which is what the earths early atmosphere and seas were theorised was made up from. They subjected it to an electrical charge and the results was they produced organic compounds including amino acids in the flask. As amino acids are the building blocks of DNA it suggests that this is how life began.

this is enough for most scientists to accept that that this is how life most probably started and with no theories that have been demonstrated to indicate otherwise it is reasonable.

If any evidence to the contrary is ever presented then, be sure that because of how science works, scientists will adjust what they accept to be true.

keyboard, because in most cases if you hit a keyboard with a lightning bolt you could produce a new string of biogenesis .

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Re: Serious question for the star gazers.

Do the boffins watch a given star for a long time or just randomly say every couple of weeks/months?

they record data continuously over a long period time at section of space, then they trawl through that data looking at the intensity of the stars. they look for dips in intensity and for repetition of them. large short period planets show up first, but over time they find the smaller and multiple planets, and now moons....

its takes more years to study the data than it does to record it....

Facebook: Up to 90 million addicts' accounts slurped by hackers, no thanks to crappy code

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how many times must it be said that you don't put anything on the internet you don't want to be public. forget privacy settings, just assume everything is there for the world and his wife to read.

and in the case of facebook in particular, with all the shit flinging done about it, you must have been living under a penis shaped rock on Mars for the last 2 years if you were not aware that all your supposed private information was public, add to that the fact that mankind does not currently have the technology to put man beyond low earth orbit, there is no excuse for not being aware that Facebook security is a joke.

simple. Just assume every bit of information you put on the internet is public.

Amazon Alexa outage: Voice-activated devices are down in UK and beyond

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Re: Disability

"Bad example. GF intolerance is far more common than you might think. "

let me fix that for you.

"Self diagnosed gluten intolerance is far more common than you might think...."

there, that's better...

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Re: Disability

".....Just like, say, gluten free foods are made viable for the people who actually need them because of the idiots who just use them because they're the current thing. "

My daughter is personally very thankful to the idiots who adopted gluten free as a fad. She has coeliac and for years the gluten free products that ware available, were for want of a better word SHIT.

Since idiots who think gluten free is a health thing, its made it worthwhile for food producers to come up with things that are actually pleasant to eat that is gluten free and has reduced the point of sale price.

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Re: Proof the Cloud is about surveillance not practicality, its badly / wrongly designed for IoT

"... small French company called Snips has been working for years on private-by-design voice recognition. Voice commands are processed on the end user’s device, making the data transfer unnecessary. "

I believe Samsung Bixby is processed locally so not everything is transmitted across the iterwebs. It gives the advantage that when issuing local commands to the device it is much quicker than google spy or amazon spy...

That scary old system with 'do not touch' on it? Your boss very much wants you to touch it. Now what do you do?

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"Migration comes in a range of flavors:"

I say they come in two.... cheap and expensive...

cheap is how the people who are paying for it, but dont directly use it want it doing.

Expensive is how the people who use the systems and maintain them want it doing, as in the right way.

Nameless Right To Be Forgotten Google sueball man tries Court of Appeal – yet again

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Re: squaremilenews.blogspot.com

" Let there be no more guessing of his identity or of ways to work it out. Anyone doing so will have their comments deleted."

I suppose the downvotes are because El reg are going to censor posts, but the fact is El reg do moderate posts so are responsible for every post. Because there is a order preventing publication the naming of the person, if someone on the comments name him, El Reg are responsible.

Enigma message crack honours pioneering Polish codebreakers

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Thumb Down

Re: Polish contributions

ignored by history especially in the US.

Hollywood history has the USA cracking enigma all by themselves with out even a mention of Turing never mind the Polish.

Spent your week box-ticking? It can't be as bad as the folk at this firm

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" This meant that the items could be taken by staff and the company couldn't do much about it"

unless they wanted too.

my missus worked in HR for many years and they knew of many things that went on similar to this that for staff that were good workers a blind eye was turned, but when it came to problematic staff they would not be so blind sighted.

Berkeley bio-boffins' butt-blasting belly-bothering batt-teria generates electricity

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Joke

Will someone please think.....

Will someone please think about the defenceless bacteria. They are lifeforms, living, reproducing and trying to have a jolly good time of it, but some git in a lab coat is trying to stuff them into little tin cans to power your latest iGaget.

they need a spokes-bug and join Unison or Unite to get them a fair deal.

A basement of broken kit, zero budget – now get the team running

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Re: When you're set up to fail...

" I've come up with ways to simplify and speed up key tasks. For a while, when we were way behind and had no budget, the PHBs were very happy with me doing this. "

I worked at QVC many years ago, and they had the exact same bulshit with the warehouse staff.

when they had a massive list of orders that all had to be out the door by the next day, they didn't care about rules. I don't know how many times there were two picker trucks in the same isle, while the shit head team leader* was stood at the end of the isle watching, but saying nothing. But the next day, if the rush was not on, the same pickers would be in hr getting a blocking....

*it was a working theory that this particular team leader had something over his boss. The amount of times he was reported for stuff that should get you sacked but like Teflon, nothing ever stuck. He was definitely protected.

Euro bureaucrats tie up .eu in red tape to stop Brexit Brits snatching back their web domains

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" It's exactly this sort of nonsense that drove many in the UK to vote for Brexit in the first place. "

never has a truer word been typed.....

the re-moaners can cry all they like about the reasons why they think people voted, but its nonsense like this .eu pettiness and much worse that grind peoples gears.

The grand-plus iPhone is the new normal – this is no place for paupers

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Re: SE gone - so am I :-(

At the very least I’m reasonably sure to get updates for a while,

dont be too sure about that..... older iphones, the only update is the os number goes up, and the icons and emojis change. oh, and they may slow your phone down because the battery may be shite....

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Re: Typical Apple

Rolexs are hand crafted mechanical devices, Iphone are just chinese mass produced consumables.. You can't compare them.

to be fair, cheap mass produced made in china tat over time will by % appreciate more than most things.. look how much mcdonalds happy meal toys cost, but now a pristine collection of Disney merch is worth a fortune. and dont get me started on beanie babies.. that said I did make a few quid on a clear out of those !!

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Re: Typical Apple

Well...a luxury watch will at least hold its value over time

Very true, but the only Rolex watches that will appreciate now are vintage models.

people with real money to spend on trinkets are now buying watches that there may only be one or two made in a single design.. somthing like

https://www.cabestan.ch/winch-tourbillon-vertical/

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Re: Apple ecosystem

Of course it's not a status symbol. Every chav has one, they are everywhere and there is nothing special about them.

I guess you don't understand what a status symbol is. but one thing it is not is something that is "special".

every chav may have an iPhone because it is a status symbol among chavs, but dont think the chavs go and buy them from the crapple store, its an overpriced contract, that gets defaulted on and a payg sim installed in it...

and lets face it, the iphone has always been a premium priced product. anyone who was going out to buy one, it would make little difference if it was £1000 or £800. The price of other handsets is not ever going to come into it.

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Re: Apple ecosystem

Most Android piracy is done by people who can't afford those few pounds

what an odious pile of shite.....

most software piracy is done by people because they can or because they are fed up of buying shitty software that does not work as advertised so will try it, if it works will buy it...

even kids don't bother pirating software because most games on mobile devices are free and you just pay for extras....

music piracy is near enough non existent now that music streaming services are a reasonable price so not worth the effort of piracy.

piracy has never really been about price, its mostly because you can.

Guess who just bought Maplin? Dragons' Den celebrity biz guy Peter Jones

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history.

I remember way back when maplins was a mail order business. you sent off for a catalogue and it was filled with all the delights that electronics had to offer. The only option at the time was RS who had a similar catalogue but ws more targeted towards the professional.

to buy electronics components on the high-street, you had Tandy or (radio shack in the usa), but the prices where extortionate compared to mail order. Tandy went to the wall. In Liverpool, we were fortunate to have a shop called Radio Spares (on Dale Street). You just wrote your list of stuff you wanted from the maplin/RS catalogue and popped in the shop. Prices were very competitive with the mail order shops. As fa as I know, they were still open when I left Liverpool in the late 90's.

It looks like history repeated itself the way Maplins ended up the same as Tandy. will they ever learn

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hard drives attached to USB 2 on the Pi are not a good combo if you need any sort of performance.

There are a few SoC boards out there now that have usb3 or SATA for spining rust, or even m.2 for solid state, They are a little more expensive than a Pi, but not prohibitive, but a better option for NAS or a nextcloud install...

not that I have anything against the pi, I love them, I have about 10 of them scattered about performing many tasks where disk access speeds is not an issue, media players, vpn, pi hole, radius, mail.

Brit teen pleads guilty to Minecraft-linked bomb and airline hoaxes

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"The rational part of a teen's brain isn't fully developed and won't be until age 25"

I was at a presentation at the royal institute a while back regarding the teenagers brain. When asked the audience all though the brain was not fully developed until 25, but apparently its much younger. rationality comes with experience.

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Facepalm

what a complete dick !!!!

its getting to a point where you will need to pass a competence test before allowing online... sort of a internet version of a driver licence, one that you loose if you can behave yourself...

TSB goes TITSUP: Total Inability To Surprise Users, Probably

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Re: banks should charge fees like any other business

A monthly fee of 5 to 8 quid would mean they could offer a better service

no, no, and no....

the only thing that a fee would do is empty your account of 5 to 8 quid a month.

They offer online services so they can close down branches which cost a lot more to run, and back in the day it was to scoop up customers by offering services others do not offer.

if they did try to charge for online services, i think that will be the final straw and people would leave.

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FAIL

feckless bunch of gobshites.

" ..... and even resorted to pointing out that customers' cards still worked. "

what a bunch of gobshites they are. big deal, most people who are trying to access the online services are doing so for anything but spending cash on a card.

My TSB account gets used just for my paypal account as a safety buffer so my main bank account is not exposed to paypal nonsense. money coming from paypal goes into it then gets transferred straight from TSB to my main account, the card is in a draw somewhere still in the envelope it came in....

on Sunday, I emptied my paypal account into TSB then tried to log in to transfer it to my missus so she could do an online shop. No can do....it wasn't until late in the day I could get it sorted out.

fortunately for us, we were not relying on that money and had access to other funds, but what about the large number of people in the country that scrape by from day to day, people needing to pay a bill?

I dont think I would trust the TSB for my day to day banking. I dont think I would trust them with my jar of loose change !!

Apple pushes new iOS 12 beta build to silence notification spam

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Re: The Register asked Apple for comment. <Crickets>

" The Register asked Apple for comment. <Crickets>

and tumbleweed... "

One of the best bits of any apple story on el reg is the last line of asking apple for comment... its like the old journalist stalwart, "made my excuses and left" when reporting on anything lest than of good taste for polite company....

C'mon, if you say your device is 'unhackable', you're just asking for it: Bitfi retracts edgy claim

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"these guys literally sound like 12 year old kids."

I thought it was the 12 year olds that hacked it?

New Horizons eyeballs Kuiper Belt object Ultima Thule, its next flyby goal

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Re: I propose we call this KBO the Sir David Attenborough

" But how did it not end up being called Rocky McRockface? Did they ban that at the outset? "

The Whole Boaty McBoatface debacle still makes me laugh.... fancy trusting anything to the great unwashed to name something and keep it sensible..

The result from Boaty McBoatface is that these public naming votes put a spoilsport clause in to veto any names they do not feel are suitable...

Huawei elbows aside Apple to claim number-two phone maker spot

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Re: There may be trouble ahead ....

"As for rooting telephones, I used to do it, now I can't be bothered as it causes more pain than anything else.

for the benefits of rooting, the losses are annoying.... like not being able to use stuff like watch TV programs and stuff that comes with my satellite TV package and 2 out of three of my online banking apps don't work on a rooted phone....

The same goes for my wifes super cheap samsung J3, needs rooting to be able to expand system memory onto the SD card, but then no internet banking.....

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Re: There's noticeable value ... upgrading from a $200 or $300 smartphone

" The people who spend that much aren't looking for a six-fold increase in utility, they're looking for a six-fold increase in self-image. "

Thats not entirely true.

Take the recently released Samsung Note 9 and if you can tell the difference between that and a Note 8 from a glance as somebody walks past, then you must have eyes like a balled eagle. The people who spend money for self image will pay for brands like apple, and they make sure the visible stuff like the over priced headphones they use with it are in view. The MacBook is under the arm, NOT in any sort of protective case, unless that case has a very big expensive looking logo on it...

Most people do not use anywhere close to a fraction of all the features on a flagship device, that's a given, but once you have used a flagship phone for a while, try using something on the budget end and you soon start to notice the differences. That said, upgrading every year is ridiculous, and those that do are in it for the show off reasons.

Don't let Google dox me on Lumen Database, nameless man begs

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Re: Bank Holiday Friday

" Make Good Friday great again. "

what with? £250M a week?

Judge bars distribution of 3D gun files... er, five years after they were slapped onto the web

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delusional

It just shows how much out of sync the judges are with technology.

a 3d printed "gun" is only as much as a gun as a block to hold a bullet in while you hit it with a hammer and nail.

you just cannot make a chamber airtight enough that will hold enough pressure to launch a bullet with any more power than you can with a good catapult or slingshot.

there are technologies that you could use to make something that could make a bullet head off in a direction of your choosing that wont blow your own hand to bits and could be lethal to who you aim it at, but the cost of materials and machines would be so high that if you needed a cheap un traceable gun, you could get one at a fraction of the price.

Experimental 'insult bot' gets out of hand during unsupervised weekend

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Pint

"So what's the story about the two different holidays? Which lot decided to be different and why?"

we all have the same number of bank holidays accross the UK, but Scotland has two bank holidays for new year, They have new year and the day after new year so they dropped august bank holiday

As porn site pounds hard on piracy laws, Cox pulls out prematurely

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Coat

Re: Copyright Issues

"Porn is useful to some people, and some of it is art. OK, not a lot of it is art, but some of it is."

to use the term useful is a bit of a broad stroke, but art is a bit of a stretch no matter how abstract you try to make the money shot....

I guess you could mount the bedding or whatever in a couple of frames as sell them as a couple of Jackson Pollocks,

I'll get my coat.... its the long one with holes in the pockets...

Tax the tech giants and ISPs until the bits squeak – Corbyn

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Flame

Re: Boo Hoo

the piss infused turd in my cats litter tray would make a better PM than comrade Corbyn....

Apple shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to find gambling in its Chinese App Store

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> ... users claimed they were being scammed out of money ...

Err... isn't that what gambling is, actually?

not quite.... gambling, if you win, you get paid, scammed out of money is you don't get paid even if you win...

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Re: Top marks

and i bet apple kept its winnings like Louis too.....

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