* Posts by rtb61

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nbn™ hits the half-way mark – but has more than half of the job left

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HFC

Half way, that lie involves sticking people on unupgraded HFC and sharing bandwidth. People have no comprehension of the rip off of HFC. Some suburbs get FTTP, a fibre connection per home, some get HFC a fibre connection per street, they fail to grasp that they are forced to share what other home owners get. HFC is basically the poverty version of NBN, just a crap out stop gap to pump up the numbers, a blatant lie.

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Australia cyber minister wants Asia to define new global laws of digi-war

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The Australian government should STFU with it's POS NBN, it has no right to speak any where what so ever about anything to do with networks. Why the fuck should anyone listen to the clown in the rooms opinion about anything.

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Retailers would love an NBN backhaul tariff restructure

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Base charge and over charge is far more sensible. The end user should never be penalised. Basically ISP pay for a base load at one rate and anything beyond that load is charged at a higher rate. The ISP can save money by pre booking more but the end user is not penalised for the ISP getting it wrong, it just means the ISP loses profit when it goes over.

How about when it is impossible for the NBN to supply what they are claiming to sell on their net work, when they over sell CVC beyond hardware capacity, the ISP pays, the customers pays even more and the NBN enjoys legalised fraud.

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NBN costs creating budget time bomb: Deloitte

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The LNP's NBN was crafted by Telstra, News Corp, Foxtel and the only focus was to grab billions of tax payer dollars and screw the consequences. I am starting to think the idiot LNP pollies were just scammed believing the bullshit, they were being fed, as far as they were concernded they would trade 15 billion tax payer dollars in exchange for being elected, for blatant News Corp bias in reporting to get them past labour.

Now as was fore told it is all blowing up in their faces the biggest fraud in Australian history is unravelling before their very eyes as the LNP NBN basically falls apart and now must revert to the Labour plan minus about 20 billion dollars wasted, a phenomenal sum, thrown away to line the pockets of the insanely greedy.

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Tech can do a lot, Prime Minister, but it can't save the NHS

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Nobody considers the obvious. Is the NHS being mismanaged on purposed in order to privatise it to feed greed, are conservative governments purposefully running it into the ground?

Conservative governments seem to have no problem what so ever purposefully bumbling projects that in failure for some very strange reason generate very high corporate profits whilst the taxpayer losses hundreds of millions.

Is the F35 flying pig the modern default method of running major corporate government contracts, extremely poor performance with record corporate profits and extreme treasury losses.

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Mozilla to Thunderbird: You can stay here and we may give you cash, but as a couple, it's over

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Email Server Required

Thunderbird should make the jump to peer to peer email serving as a target for the future. A real threat to GMail, just straight end to end digital mailing with public email address servers, just the address, with email going direct client to client. Thunderbird needs to create a complete M$ outlook alternative, client and sever and calender. All compact enough for an expanded home router, with email services.

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Comey was loathed by the left, reviled by the right – must have been doing something right

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nbn™ joins standards body CableLabs

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Re: HFC

The current set up of HFC which is not being upgrade is 400 maximum shared with up to 200 customers gauranteed to provide 2 at peak times. No upgrades because it would cost more than FTTP, so a giant scam to hide the stupidity of buying it in the first place.

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nbn™ trials 10 Gbps fibre tech most of you will never see

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Mocking Australians

The obviously are trialling 10GPBs fibre just to piss off millions of Australians who will be stuck on 400/200=100 customer stuck on the POS that is hybrid fibre coax and they will be stuck on that shit for decades ps 400 maximum divide by 200 sharing and peak times means 2 not the 100 the lying POS are trying to sell and that corruption fully backed by an equally corrupt government. For those people whose properties are devalued by that shite, tough luck.

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'We should have done better' – the feeble words of a CEO caught using real hospital IT in infosec product demos

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Privacy Laws

There are laws about medical records. To access medical records is to expose them. Privacy laws were broken and they should be prosecuted. Those records can only be accessed in the interests of patients, accessing them is the criminal act, whether or not the idiots choose to publish them.

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nbn™ gets its wish: Australian ISPs' performance to be rated

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But, but, but the Liberal Party was able to dump about 15 billion dollars into their buddies pockets buying networks that were going to be scrapped at a loss and after those buddies got them elected.

Woohoo happy shareholders got billions of tax payer dollars, now what is wrong with that, you losers and just jealous because you don't own shares in those companies.

Of course no one will come out and say that aloud but that is pretty much exactly what happened and now chaos as the system designed to profit a couple of corporations collapsed into a screaming heap.

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Leaked NSA point-and-pwn hack tools menace Win2k to Windows 8

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Windows anal probe 10 goes deeper

Nothing imaginable probes deeper than windows 10, why anal probe, because when you go to the proctologist and windows anal probe 10 is running, M$ right is in there with the windows powered camera that goes where no one wants.

Go to a dentist with Windows anal probe 10 and M$ is checking out your cavities.

Go to a lawyer and they use Windows anal probe 10 and M$ is right in there checking you legal brief.

Doesn't matter what you do, Windows anal probe 10 is right there spying on you, it is truly disgusting and should be banned, it is criminal that it got into an operating system and they should enjoy an extended custodial sentence for the machination especially loading spyware into doctors offices where it is illegal to do so under law.

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Head of US military kit-testing slams F-35, says it's scarcely fit to fly

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A For Profit Plane

But, but, but, is so profitable. Not only on the first round of selling it to vassal states required to buy it or else but also highly profitable maintenance and debugging but also to replace it because it sucks once the final production is run.

The F1000X will be even more profitable and come with extra lasers.

NATO (the North American Occupation farce) selling more US military rubbish to more countries at record profits and all they had to do was kill over million people to achieve it, imagine how much profit they can generate if they kill 10 million (it as become all so sickly farcical).

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British defence minister refuses to rule out F-35A purchase

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F35 PIG

I thought the proper name for that extremely profitable aircraft was the F35 Pig. Double plus bonus, the very second they stop buying, they defence industry will be demanded a replacement because they are shite and this has been done on purpose. Outdated stealth, slow, expensive, crap range, unreliable, poor aerobatic performance, small payload, low durability, massively profitable though (30% to 50% with a full range of scams in place to hide it all and share amongst insiders), the global con forced by the North American Territorial Occupation farce, don't buy it and in numbers and they will replace your government.

Poor UK now has to pay tribute to US occupiers. Give it a few more years and the US will demand direct payments for their rent an occupation 'farce' or else you will suffer an incident, protection racket and make no mistake.

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America's Marine Corp steamy selfies scandal, a Senate probe – and El Reg to the rescue

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WTF?!?

These are hormoned up teenagers, doing the dumb things you would expect when you jam and whole bunch of hormored up teenagers together, just for fun spice it up with lots of booze (pretty much compulsory in the military).

Now for some pleasant relief, you are training this people to mangle, main and kill other human beings by, setting the on fire, blowing them to bits, running them down with tanks, stabbing them with sharp implements and just for occasional fun shooting them. You are training them to do so with no compassion or empathy (else they will not do it), basically training them to be professional sadistic psychopaths.

Oh my GOD, they are looking at naked pictures of each other, Oh my god, Oh my God, Oh my God.

Wake the fuck up.

Where in the ten commands is the one about nudey pictures of each other but I am damn sure I can remember the one about not killing each other.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK.

Now if the think the fucks are bad, consider they are cheering

KILL, KILL, KILL.

As if it had real value.

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nbn™ puts the acid on Australia's ISPs to speed up its NBN

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NBN is just plain crap

NBN searching for excuses after blowing billions of dollars buying networks that were going to be scrapped and now cost more than doing FTP and they will have to spend half again as much to undo the crap and do FTP.

Why did they do it. Well, tesltra for one has signifcant tax haven banking accounts with billions in untaxed income and what kind of sales commission would they spend on a ten billion dollar purchase.

Corrupt as hell and there is no hiding it.

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Malware infecting Androids somewhere in the supply chain

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Re: NSA, CIA, GCHQ all like to brag about their access to the supply chain, right?

Probably is them. Consider all the corrupt law enforcers that have been arrested for criminal actions. Now consider the dick perves who get an ego rush out of spying on people. So whilst they are corruptly hacking phones for thei corrupt government would they hack some phones for themselves, hmm, let me think, YES.

Especially considering the cover they would get from their own government because they can not exactly publicly prosecute them, without prosecuting themselves. Now add contractors into that toxic mix and it will and likely does spread pretty widely.

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Pence v Clinton: Both used private email for work, one hacked, one accused of hypocrisy

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WTF

Running a department wide server is no where near the fucking same as using a web mail account, seriously what the fuck?!?

One shows clear criminal intent, the other is just lazy and stupid.

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Australia commences critical infrastructure protection consultation

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More Pirvatisation Oppurtunities

Protect nothing but create a new privatised quango to funnel profits to select corporations willing to shift money about in offshore tax haven bank accounts, security achieved, only a luxury retirement.

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Oz government on its Centrelink debacle: 'This is fine'

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Obvious Stupidity

Basically every person who spent part of the year working before they got retrenched would have a claim against them, even if they did not work the rest of that year. Every single one, that is how stupid the system is. Just make sure you get fired on July the 1st, that is the only way to be safe.

I would have bet, this scam has some corporation collecting a percentage of the claims which is exactly why is was designed so badly in the first place.

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How to nuke websites you don't like: Slam Google with millions of bogus DMCA takedowns

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Make a false DMCA claim, spend some time in the slammer for fraudulent misrepresentation. Why were false claims left out of DMCA regulations, corruption, straight up corruption.

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HPE CEO Whitman says everything's 'on the right track' as sales are literally decimated

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Please Fire Me

You want to see stupid see this http://www.businessinsider.com.au/whitman-gets-51-million-if-hp-axes-her-2015-3?r=US&IR=T, no matter how shitty a job she does, which of course is self evident, she gets paid 51 million when they fire her, seriously, how screwed up is that.

How many people would do a shitty job on purpose just to get fired.

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Google to annihilate online trolling with ... tra-la-la! Machine! Learning!

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Easy AI

Here is the model for the AI, is it a comment from a recognised marketdroid, yes, pass. It it a comment from an end user, yes, fail.

Basically straight up corporate censorship of the internet to favour corporations, Alphabet are scum that secretly tried to pervert the US election system by cooking searches in favour of the corporate whore Clinton, truly disgusting stuff.

Oh and look, adults need to be censored in order to protect the children, yep, uh huh, we believe you Google.

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Apple to Europe: It's our job to design Ireland's tax system, not yours

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Re: Fascinating

Profits are generated at point of revenue, not the point of cost. Not Americans can not steal other countries taxes and social services, even though they routinely do through acts of extreme violence and coups.

So all taxes should be paid at the point of revenue, where the customers are and all cost ie foreign taxs records to substantiate costs and prevent off shoring profits are also required.

Note fail to provide foriegn tax records and lose those costs as tax deduction and pay full taxes on all revenue.

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EU privacy gurus peer at Windows 10, still don't like what they see

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1984

How about being one update away from George Orwell 1984. Forced software installs, compulsory messaging on the desktop, monitoring camera, monitoring speaker, recording all internet access and keyboard logger, all built in, with no option for refusing ie do not install the software modules full stop and never forget M$ has changed privacy configurations on peoples computer without their consent a computer crime by definition of the law.

Do you realise how dangerous that system would be if controlled by a corporation, seeking to become the government.

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Hold the phone! Crap customer service cost telcos £2.9 BEEEELLION in 2016

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Outsourcing Far More Expensive

Here is what outsourcing customer support really achieves. The out sourcers get paid per call, so the sooner they can get away with hanging up without providing any service, the quicker you will make the next call. Instead of one call handled properly, now half a dozen need to be made, more profit and the knob head bean counter claims those 6 calls would have cost more because no one can prove only 1 properly handled call would have cost less.

The keep outsourcing because the spreadsheets of idiot bean counters say so and it keeps costing the more.

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Haven't deleted your Yahoo account yet? Reminder: Hackers forged login cookies

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Your Hire a M&M and You Get An M&M

Now it is pretty clear why the M&M was being demoted out of Google. Only really good at stealing other people's ideas and claiming them as it's own, wow, it really managed to grind Yahoo into oblivion.

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2016: Snapchat loses $515m... 2017: Snapchat rips veil off $3bn IPO

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Problems With Saturation Advertising

All the advertising companies are going to suffer badly in the future. The problem with saturation advertising it all becomes nothing more than a sea of bullshit to which everyone holds their nose and pretends does not exist. Changes in shopping habits, bullshit names put me right off, gradmas anything is a do not by or nana, or uncle or any other bullshit sounding name, closest thing to gradma from those shite companies is the psychopath tranny corporate CEO with his testicles on a night stand alongside his bed, just eww.

Also off the list are any products that scream at me like some crazed busker inside my home, your product is dead, as far as I am concerned, also all the bullshit associations, no you product will not make my dick longer or hard or anything what so ever, it will just make the rest of me bored senseless.

When producers realise that saturation advertising is failing big time and a complete waste of money, those advertisers, many in hock up to the eyeballs as the executive teams steal as much money as fast as they can, will go belly up.

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Congrats, PC slingers. That's now FIVE straight years of shrinking sales

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Inevitable

For years only power users and business used PC and then typical consumers wanted access to the internet and schooling and gaming and started buying family PCs.

Now for those families, smart TVs, phones, tablets, game consoles and cheap school notebooks serve all their needs, no space for a PC which they barely used, so they stopped buying them.

Reality is PCs are going back to the market as it was in the prior millennium before the year 2000 (typical users and numbers sold). Which really makes you wonder why M$ is working so very, very hard at pissing off business and power users with the windows 10 probe. It looks for the world like Apple will take that market from M$, M$ has wandered off into the world of arrogant lotus eaters, believing in the power of it's dominance to force anything it wants on customers.

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Spotify now officially even worse than the NSA

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Ultimatums are not Asking

No one should ever consider an ultimatum a request, you have paid your money accept the new conditions or fuck off, is not a request.

Seriously there has to be laws to cut this shit out, it is way out of control.

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Virtual reality will take over the world by 2020, reckons analyst haus

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FPS Contest?

Yet not one virtual reality FPS competitive match to date. Why the huge lack of FPS action, VR versus no VR competitors, who does best and who last the longest.

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UK's new Snoopers' Charter just passed an encryption backdoor law by the backdoor

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Will they ban FOSS

They'll be having fun with FOSS software. Demand a back door, sure no problem, right there lines 2300 to 2350 and it you are lazy here is the script to delete and recompile that coding element to get rid of the back door. They will have to ban FOSS software because there is no way they can get a back door in without people being able to take it right back out again.

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America has one month to stop the FBI getting its global license to hack

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Extradition Treaties

Some thing people often forget not all extradition treaties are equal and some require strict adherence to the law and also require that the crime must also be illegal in the country being targeted by the extradition request. Part of that also being they must have adhered to local laws and using a US search warrant would be tossed out as a joke, the evidence would be tainted and extradition would fail.

So the law is a really bad idea, as it would promote bad investigation and failed extradition attempts in many countries.

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Australia spending AU$4.8m to do something about revenge porn

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Buying The Porn?

So what will the Australian Department of Communications do, make an offer for revenge porn amnesty by buying that porn and not publishing it?

Revenge porn, pretty much means getting over it and not pretending you are something that you are not. At the end of the day revenge porn affects those the most who would victimise other people when their porn photos are shown.

Don't want dirty photos of yourself out on the internet, do not allow them to be taken in the first place because reality is, exposure is just one hack away.

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Lad cuffed after iOS call exploit knocks out Arizona 911 center

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Re: Dumb mistake

Basically a criminal negligence charge, problem is they can be just as bad as crime with intent depending upon the outcome and the expected knowledge and understanding of the individual involved. So sort of hoist by his own petard by his own claims he should have known better and as such that criminal negligence charge is going to be quite severe.

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Spoiler alert: We'll bet boffins still haven't spotted aliens

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We are just starting to appreciate what can be done with advancing technology. So what are we going to see of more advanced aliens, only what they want us to see, end of story and we are starting to appreciate the basis of technology by which they can actively do that.

The more advanced the less we will see, don't ever forget, their time for them to look for us, did not start with us looking for them, they will have had millions of years to look (like a child with their hands in front of the face, they can't see you because you can't see them, yep uh huh).

So what difference does it make, fuck all, we have our own lives to live and our own challenges to overcome whether they are watching or not. Given how long they had to find us, yep uh huh, we are invisible says the child with their hands over their eyes.

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Optus' HFC problems were never a secret, so why did nbn™ need the network?

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Typical Sales Commision

So what is the typical sales commission say 10%. Why did they pay for a crap network, becuase 10% of $800 million is $80 million and who they hell would not pay $80 million to get back $800 million, incompetence only reaches so far, ahh off shore tax havens and Toxic Tony Abbott did actively block attacks on tax haven cheating, apparently with good reason.

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Possible reprieve for the venerable A-10 Warthog

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Mission Objective

F35 mission objective, get billions in profit from subservient vassal states, it will happen and I do mean or else regime change for those vassal states. Cheapest way to operate an F35 simply send them the money and never take delivery, safer that way.

You would think they would back away from it by now but nope, through corruption they believe they can still push it right on through, how bad is the F35, that bad they have to keep the A10 alive, that bad, that F16 and F18 will be quietly resurrected a generation behind Russian and Chinese gear.

Well, it's not like they never intended to replace the F35 as soon as possible, more profits.

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NBN is essential, says Essential poll, but not Turnbull's NBN

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3 Year Plan

I am in a inner city suburb in a capital city, I can see the city centre from my home and I am on the three year plan. What is the three year plan, we guarantee to provide you nothing for three years and that is it, finish, no promise of services after 3 years, nope, could end up on another 3 year plan but they got their off shore kicks backs for spending billions on a network that was going to be scrapped at a loss.

Blatant in you face corruption now on show, hoping in the most ludicrous fashion imaginable, to hide behind incompetence, see we aren't corrupt, just stupid (seriously, that is to be the excuse for blowing billions of tax payer dollars).

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App proves Rowhammer can be exploited to root Android phones – and there's little Google can do to fully kill it

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Root Should Be Accesible

So let me get this straight, root on an Android phone is easy, so why the hell is this not a setting. Why can't consumers actually own their phones, bugger off asshats, I want root as default.

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IBM throws ISP under a bus for Australia's #Censusfail

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So What

You know what the client says to the builder when then house collapses and the builder says, not my fault, the subcontractors fault. I don't give a crap about anyone else, I paid you to do a job, how you choose to do it, your choice, the consequences your fault, whether employee or contractor.

IBM was paid to look after it, it failed, IBMs fault, end of story.

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'There may be no hackers' says Trump in Presidential Debate II

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My Preference

I live for the day when every country hacks every other country and exposes all the secrets of each others politicians to the global general public, a bad thing, absolutely not, the best thing imaginable.

I still think a lot of the 'hacking' was done by insiders, for the NSA to claim they had no idea where the secretary of States email server was and what was on it, a laughable lie or the NSA is way more incompetent than they claim to be and I can't accept that, not one bit.

Sure the Russian and Chinese are hacking but the NSA are the best at hacking on the planet (better than the CIA or NATO whom the NSA and the FBI are jointly investigating) and so, them and the FBI itself are likely to have to investigate themselves at pretty senior levels, excluding of course political appointees.

Once that block of prosecution of high crimes is gone, youch, the FBI with the NSA are going to have a field day, they can be pretty hard up anal types and they really do not like to be treated like dupes and fools. 'Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practise to deceive'.

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Australian randoms are chill with Internet data retention

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Don't ever forget 2% of GDP is not 2% of profits but gross turnover. So lets pump it up to reflect actual profits that taxes are paid and oh wait, just because people earn that money does not mean they will pay for it only the taxes they pay will pay for it. So 2% skyrockets up to say 20% of income taxes, especially bad with so many multinational cheating on tax, high revenue, no declared profits and most certainly no taxes paid, so that 25% is dumped on the poorest and like squeezes up to 25% of actual taxes paid.

So when you pay you taxes, just remember 25 percent of you taxes pay for American junk F35s all to be binned and thrown away at end of life so another new model can be sold.

Some countries are even running at a loss with regard to the GDP so even then, NATO demands 25% of income taxes, so pure debt as tribute payment and it doesn't get worse than that, which is exactly why the lying ass hats talk about GDP and no percentage of income tax spent on crap to be dumped. By the way if you think they will let you get away with spending that on soldiers and not junk and use those soldier for infrastructure projects, expect regime change, I am no joking.

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Radar missile decoys will draw enemy missiles away from RAF jets

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Add Camera Easy Thwart

It's like they are complete idiots. Smarter missiles are coming and one quick squiz before boom and "hey wait up, that's not a plane, that's a missile, oh, there's the plane". It boils down to cost efficiency and how much you can put up in the air. Smart Drones that use multiple methods to track targets, direct radar, water vapour density radar, heat and final visual inspection, all come into play for a smart drone, before it flies up along side the target, tells the pilot to land or bail out before blowing up directly over the cockpit.

Long range, compact, smart drones, will not be fooled by simple tricks and ramming speed is the best detonation method ie if you hit it hard enough to blow up, than it is the target you wanted and not a flare or chaff or a tiny missile.

Drones will keep trying to take out a target they miss, making those multiple passes you always see in sci fi movies and a manned plane with 4 missiles and a gun will simply lose when ten smart drones go hunting (keep in mind you can land them, make the safe, refuel them and send them up again, so guaranteed kill numbers become the norm ie ten fighter bombers come in so 100 drones are sent to take them out, likely twenty drones will come back to be refueled and sent up again, ten fighters take out ten drones but the next ten drones take out the fighters in a air space cluttered with 90 targets).

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Source: nbn™'s fibre-to-the-kerb will be VDSL at 100/40Mbps

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Straight Up Lie

The speed they are claiming is the maximum speed within a few hundred metres from the node, from there on in it dies fast, much faster than ADSL and huge number of people will end up with crappier than ADSL speeds but at the new inflated NBN prices because you can get 100 40 'er' no you cant, many will be back to crappy ADSL speeds or worse.

Then they will scrap FTTN and pass their mates more billions of Australia Tax Payer dollars, the biggest fraud in Austalian history.

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NBN HFC scaled down to stave off financial disaster

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So let me get this straight, they bought their mates network, the ones that got them elected, one that was going to be scrapped at a loss and now they are going to scrap that network at tax payer expence, wow, just wow. Blatant in your face corruption, basically stole billions from the Australian Treasury to hand over to their mates for some reason, I don't know but I'd bet we could find out if we raided offshore tax havens for their banking records.

Mind boggling in your face corruption, not even pretending to be competent, just lying in your face, they know we know they are lying and they do not give one crap about it.

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FBI overpaid $999,900 to crack San Bernardino iPhone 5c password

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Re: @Voland ...You are missing the point

Dude seriously, dangerous to desolder chip, WTF?, oh my God, we can not make any electronics the danger of soldering chips. No current, no change in chip, don't even need to desolder it, just cut the tracks on the board on the chip connections and hook in, in place, oh gees, if you are a really worry wart, practice on a couple of phones first.

So not only did they purposefully ramp up the cost, but why did that particular company get a million dollars for fuck all, why and what was the payback.

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Former comms minster Stephen Conroy to leave Parliament

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Re: Bye...

You would not feel like that if you found out you were on the three year NBN Plan. What is that three year NBN plan, you will get exactly jack shite for at least three years and that's it, the end and nothing beyond that, great bloody plan, whoot, thank you Malcolm Turnbull (whilst other more political connected areas with already good ADSL get FTP).

But they gave their buddies in News Corp billions of dollars for a shite going to be scrapped at a loss network and protected their profits from competition for a bunch more years, by far the biggest theft and fraud in Australian history.

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'Google tax' already being avoided, says Australian Tax Office

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Submit Offshore Tax Returns

The easy way around it, is any offshore costs must have the offshore tax return submitted to validate the claim and to ensure any profits generated are taxed at the point of revenue. Until that cost is substantiated and profits all tied to the point of revenue, than taxes should be imposed at the maximum rate on the total revenue. The demand for offshore tax returns prior to allowing deduction needs to extend as far as necessary, at any point they fail to supply accurate returns, than that cost is excluded from the revenue to be taxed.

Don't like, quite simply, bugger off and make your revenue elsewhere. All taxes should always be paid at the point of revenue, where the country in question provides the infrastructure and social welfare systems to enable that revenue to be generated.

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Microsoft's maps lost Melbourne because it used bad Wikipedia data

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How Much Does M$ Donate to Wikipedia

So if it is free M$ will use it but hate using it because it competes with something they could sell.

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