* Posts by naive

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Artificial Intelligence: You know it isn't real, yeah?

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Bias, facts and statistics

Like it or not, all AI will be based on statistics and things people know.

Suppose the situation where one has to share a hotel room with either a rabbit or a lion.

Any sensible AI system aiding in deciding which room would offer the best experience would probably recommend a room with a rabbit as roommate.

Since the AI system would base its decision on information like "lions are large carnivorous predators with large teeth", thus the fluffy bunny is probably preferable above the lion.

Is it interesting to see wether this is considered to be biased information.

Now, hold on. This may shock you... Oracle allegedly juices its cloud sales with threats and shoddy on-prem support

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Cloud fraud

What I see from Azure is that cloud computing is a legalized fraudulent business model.

They charge more than on premises costs, support is outsourced to countries where people are paid half a dollar per hour, and hardly speak English.

Oracle database support was already outsourced to the same countries where MS located its Azure support centers, always needed a NATO alphabet for them.

But as long the glossy airplane magazine reading crowd is happy, all will be good, we need to give the Wallstreet billionaires more money, make more young people in Europe unemployed, because these billionaires are poor.

Not heard owt bad about Huawei, says EU Commish infosec bod

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All thin foil hat chatter about US aside....

At least the Amis don't steal copyrighted information from European companies or engage in state supported piracy, spying and hacking on the scale China does for years now.

The people claiming "not to have seen evidence that Huawei poses a threat to its internal markets" must be the great-grand children of those who failed to see the evidence that the intentions of Germany in 1939 were something else then peaceful.

I guess as long the EU can not extort billions from companies for illegal manipulation of the market, they don't care what companies do.

Defaulting to legacy Internet Explorer just to keep that one, weird app working? Knock it off

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MS is just playing good cop/bad cop

Since the IE, and thus implicit MS, vendor lock in of millions of users into legacy web apps from the early 2000's is a blessing all others can only dream about.

No competition from Chrome or other google solutions.

If they did not earn millions due to this situation, they would have killed off IE with Windows 10, or before.

No IT director in a global company would even dare to choose something else beside MS on the desktop because of fear for this one killer website, lurking somewhere in the deep, built by some ignorant apes in 2004, using "easy to use" MS tooling.

It's 2019, and a PNG file can pwn your Android smartphone or tablet: Patch me if you can

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Display images from the web with root privilege in some picture browser ?

Yeah right, they never learn. It is the same reason all this Adobe crap became such a never ending security drama on windows.

British cops told to scrap 'discriminatory' algorithms in policing

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Statistics

Has its influence on bias in algorithms, otherwise they would be pretty useless.

The D in SystemD stands for Danger, Will Robinson! Defanged exploit code for security holes now out in the wild

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The D stands for Deficiency in education

The whole systemD thing has always been an answer to a question that was never asked by people using Linux systems as a server.

It is nice that systemD might help laptops with their (de)hybernation issues.

They should start teaching in engineering school that simpler things are better, since they cost less to build and maintain, while being more robust at the same time. Nowadays everything is top-heavy from featuritis, costs a ton of money and is broken within 5 years.

People using Linux for serious stuff, are burdened with unnecessary complexity and the security risks implied by this very complexity.

Maybe mainstream distributors of Linux will start to learn that things which are not there, can't impose a security risk, and start publishing light-weight server versions of Linux. Really, nobody needs a windows Registry like start up system on Unix, the very idea should someone have banned from ever logging in on an Unix system.

Apple: You can't sue us for slowing down your iPhones because you, er, invited us into, uh, your home... we can explain

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It must the famous "Apple quality" fanbois brag about

Which must be a drug induced dream. After 3.5 years of using my Motorola G3 as a radio, 8 hours per day, over 200 days per year, it is still way better than the iPhone 6 my employer gave me for being on-call. Battery still did 3+ days of standby, or 2 days of streaming.

The iPhone 6 does 4-8 hours of standby with a full charge, and was only used for on-call services 8 weeks per year.

But Apple is fun at the same time, my employer gave me an iPhone 8 replacement for the broken iPhone 6.

Just having replaced my privately owned Moto G3 by a G7, it caused cramps from laughter, so old the iPhone 8 looks compared to the Moto, which costs one third of the price.

If Apple was Ford, they would still be able to sell T-Fords as the latest and greatest invention on wheels.

Should the super-rich pay 70% tax rate above $10m? Here's Michael Dell's hot take for Davos

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It is a lost battle anyway, the 1% have it all

Never in history societies managed a redistribution of wealth without civil war and guilotines.

With the exception of president Trump, they always bought the US presidency. They still use the power of the media outlets they own to bash president Trump where ever they can, since president Trump could pay for his own campaign and is not a puppet of these people.

Staff of the big three, KPMG/D&T and E&Y, gets hired by big Tech to setup tax-avoidance schemes and by governments for not trying to fix them.

Big Tech for example eagerly pays $ 250,000,000 for a tax plan allowing them to funnel billions out of Europe without taxation.

The French are on it with the gilet jaune protests, although one can be sure the media war against these people will never stop.

We see where it ends, maybe once again, like in 1789, the French will be an example for the world, liberating them selves of this elite of leeches sucking our societies dry.

OK Google, er, Siri, um, Alexa, can you invalidate these digital assistant patents, please?

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Re: Patent trolling should be punishable by at least 10 years in an Alaskan jail

Thank you for your very informative answer, that actually makes the point I want to make.

This way of dealing with patents is way beyond what was initially intended with patent legislation.

It used to be something to protect individuals with good ideas against copycats.

Nowadays the ideas behind patent laws are distorted and abused by big companies, or other leeches, who do have the money to pay for patents, using this system to legally steal the ideas of others.

But well, they do the same with our tax laws to evade them, so what is new. Moral and good manners don't sell these days, "be evil" is the mantra of the early 2000;s.

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Patent trolling should be punishable by at least 10 years in an Alaskan jail

If they put all the share holders of companies engaging in patent trolling in jail, this non-sense would end instantly.

It would also prevent tech giants to kill off small innovative upstarts by dragging them into courts using these trolls as a vehicle.

Want to spin up Ubuntu VMs from Windows 10's command line, eh? We'll need to see a Multipass

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Re: Webservers?

With the default WSL it is simple:

apt-get update

apt-get install apache2

Add website in the apache configuration.

service apache2 start

Before using apt-get, it maybe necessary to set the proxy

export http_proxy=http://<addres>:port

export https_proxy=http://<addres>:port

Maybe Windows firewall may have to be setup to allowing incoming port 80/443 traffic.

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I love WSL, since it made scripting on Windows usable after 30 years :)

WSL can also use Windows *.exe files.

/mnt/c/Windows/System32/systeminfo.exe | grep -i "System boot" | awk '{print $4}' | sed 's/,//'

10-1-2019

The elegance and simplicity of bash scripting is hard to beat.

Try that in PowerShell.

Amazon shareholders revolt on Rekognition, Nvidia opens robotics lab, and hot AI chips on Google Cloud

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What is worng with facial recognition

It would be a great benefit to society.

Criminals can be easily flagged, so they can be more effectively removed from the society.

Once computers are powerful enough to scan the database of the whole population using facial recognition pictures, including pictures of the tourists staying legally, illegal aliens can be flagged and apprehended for deportation.

Once there is enough coverage, society will become crime free and safe, resulting in huge cost reductions for law enforcement.

It is very weird people would oppose technological progress so beneficial for society, unless they are leftist bottom feeders, thriving on chaos and despair.

Nobody in China wants Apple's eye-wateringly priced iPhones, sighs CEO Tim Cook

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It is a miracle they sell anything at all

I have seen iPhones priced at 1245 Euros in an Apple shop.

That is a small fortune for something at which people will laugh in 3 years time.

At least in Europe the amount of people able to afford these prices slowly is driven in extinction due to money greedy politicians.

Ho ho ho! Washington DC sends Zuckerberg a sueball-shaped present

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There is morality and there are laws

It is the task of the government to connect these two, and they often fail, or lag decades behind the facts.

If somebody installs facebook on their phone, switches "location services" off, it just means "switch off location tracking using GPS signal".

Is it a violation of the law if the app uses wifi information from neighboring modems, matches these against a database to determine the location without GPS ?.

Google still uses wifi modem info to determine where the phone is, regardless of "Location Services".

Governments should get to work, and define a framework of legislation under which providers of services are obliged to operate.

But governments can never replace brain cells, "free" services need to earn money to pay for their operating costs, the currency is information about the user of those "free" services. So go figure.

Is Google purposefully breaking Microsoft, Apple browsers on its websites? Some insiders are confident it is

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Instead of whining, maybe MS could start fixing Edge, so it does not happen.

It all sounds kind of implausible. Hearing these complaints from MS, who has been terrorizing the Web for decades with its FUD about linux, insecure and instable products, should make everyone laugh who is old enough to have been around then.

Everything is about money, and there are no Saints in this game. Since HTML5 is a standard, which should be implemented by all browsers, it is questionable how far it is actually a misconduct to try to find area's where certain browsers have issues in their HTML5 implementation. If google would do this, it looks more like kind of harassment.

Instead of whining, maybe MS could start fixing Edge, so it does not happen.

Poor people should get slower internet speeds, American ISPs tell FCC

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Re: What do you expect?

These things are not constrained to the USA.

Living in a fairly sized Dutch city with 100,000 inhabitants, 25/3 is something I can dream of, since my connection is maximum 10/2 using 2005 ADSL

In Holland there is no active FCC overseeing internet service providers.

KPN owning the 1920's copper cable to my house does not have a schedule to update to vDSL

Google CEO tells US Congress Chocolate Factory will unleash Dragonfly in China

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The solution is simple, if it is too big to oversee, break it up

And that is what should be done with big tech. Break them all up, impose a moratorium on the remaining big parts which forbids them to buy other companies.

By separating the search engine, android, maps, but also cutting facebook into pieces, shedding off instagram and whatsapp, the world gets rid of the all controlling molochs, who control us and wave their middle finger to everyone, including tax and internal revenue services. Same goes for Microsoft, which should split off its OS division from Azure and Office apps. If it is done in one swipe, involving all of them, then we will be better off on the long term, allowing new ideas to bloom.

In case you're not already sick of Spectre... Boffins demo Speculator tool for sniffing out data-leaking CPU holes

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Re: Refund

Only Americans get refunds for faulty products, even ones made by European companies.

Europeans get nothing.

Maybe the EU Commission fines them if they feel the need to refresh their pool of limousines.

Adobe Flash zero-day exploit... leveraging ActiveX… embedded in Office Doc... BINGO!

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Thank you VmWare and MS-Edge

Which either require flash to be working, or use it as an unavoidable plugin in the browser.

Americans are quite trigger happy when it comes to punishing people guilty of repeated offenses, I don't understand why everyone working at Adobe is not in jail, together with a restraining order for coming close to any computing device.

Google internal revolt grows as search-engine Spartacuses prepare strike over China

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Nah, president Trump took care of that, Big Tech still doesn't pay taxes, but at least they face limitations in hiring from the third world: https://www.firstpost.com/world/h1b-and-h4-visa-feature-in-donald-trump-admins-fall-2018-regulatory-agenda-as-us-midterm-elections-loom-all-you-need-to-know-5402921.html

Boeing 737 pilots battled confused safety system that plunged aircraft to their deaths – black box

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Mathematical proof of correctness or a big RED "707 mode" button

Even if the technicians made a mistake in installing the sensors, Boeing could be in a lot of trouble.

Either Human pilots have the last word, or the computer. Since with this flight, the computer crashed the plane, Boeing has some explaining to do, for instance why does the plane take off in the first place if those sensors are faulty, leaving the plane in a situation where it can not be controlled.

Boeing just needs to make clear that a) the pilot is always responsible and b) make a big red "707 mode" button disabling all nanny systems interfering with actions performed by the pilot. This button allows pilots to take full control, the computer should resort to writing advisory messages on a screen.

In the end, if people could fly four engined 707's in the 60's without computers, they should be able to fly a 737 without them in 2018.

A rumble in Amazon's jungle: AWS now rents out homegrown 64-bit Arm server processors

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>> ARM destined to fill same niche, something no one asked for or needs.

The world needs competition to Intel for over 15 years now. After the WinTel imperium broke down all the alternative CPU designs in the 90's and early 2000's, Intel enjoyed a virtual monopoly for over 15 years now.

The results of this failing market are visible. Jacked up prices, insecure cpu's and no alternative for speed except more equally slow cores. It is good feasible alternatives like AMD Ryzen and now 64bit ARM came, Now we will see more progress in CPU features than in the last 15 years. Maybe one day we will see the mainstream software suppliers will jump on the boat as well, since until now their pricing schemes only benefit Intel, who still offers the best OOMPH per core/socket, on which software licenses are based.

Analogue radio is the tech that just won't die

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Re: Analogue Radio Must Never Die

That is so to the point, except from the fact that countless millions of FM car radios would become trash overnight, we hand control of radio reception to IT guys, and then we know what is going to happen.

Every ten years we get "improved" but not backwards compatible iterations of DAB forcing everyone to buy new stuff.

Since the world is slowly turned into a banana republic controlled by Big-Tech, it is unsure how long analogue radio will stay. The pressure of industry lobbyist on elected politicians will be considerable.

Still waiting for the first fake news reports indicating FM transmission signals are a health hazard.

Fancy Bear hacker crew Putin dirty RATs in Word documents emailed to govt orgs – report

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Sigh .... those Russians

Uncle Adolf started with fear mongering about Russians, it never stopped after.

Using a free VPN? Why not skip the middleman and just send your data to President Xi?

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Re: run your own? really?

There are really good reasons to have a VPN that for instance exits in the US. Buying things like fight tickets get really way cheaper when they do not see one is European.

On-line shopping can be way cheaper, and indeed ones on-line habits are not logged on countless places.

Creating a personal VPN could go like this:

1. Purchase a raspberry pi as home VPN server, configure OpenVPN.

2. Rent a simple t.micro Linux system at AWS in an AWS datacenter located in Virginia.

3. Configure squid on the AWS system.

4. Configure OpenVPN on the AWS server to connect with the pi.

5. Configure AWS linux system as a proxy on the browser.

6. Fix ip-routing on the PC so that the route to the proxy (squid) server points to the pi.

There are costs, like around $ 15,- per month for the AWS server.

This could be more convenient than TOR. With tor ones ip-address exits in random countries, services like gmail and yahoo mail really get nervous about this, and are not accessible anymore.

UK.gov fishes for likes as it prepares to go solo on digital sales tax

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Like they can get their revenue somewhere else

This is utter non-sense: "Critics warn it's complex and off-putting for international firms"

Look at the world map, identify the places where big-tech can make decent revenues and profits.

The part where they can is shockingly small, and the good news: England and Europe are in this spot.

So don't worry, taxation won't drive them away, there is USA and Europe, the rest doesn't have the cash, or doesn't want to do business since they are Chinese protectionists.

Guess who's back, back again? China's back, hacking your friends: Beijing targets American biz amid tech tariff tiff

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GeoIP databases are your friend

Since these Chinese never buy anything from western companies anyway, they only come for hacking. It is easy to block their ip addresses.

Upset fat iOS gobbles up so much storage? Too bad, so sad, says judge: Apple lawsuit axed

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It is all about legislation protecting consumers

Which is when it comes to computers and other electronic products, still in its infancy. Discussions about UEFI restricting using Operating Systems, the freedom of a manufacturer to use resources at their will on a smart phone are the sad results of the Wild West we still have in IT land. Not even mentioning the unaccountability of IT suppliers for severe problems resulting from bad design or sloppy implementations. Where GM and Volkswagen had to pay billions and billions to settle problems with ignition locks and emissions, Microsoft and others get away with anything.

Oracle 'net-watcher agrees, China Telecom is a repeat offender for misdirecting traffic

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How FFS can they allow to let this happen ?

Already over 50% of the hack attempts come from China, and then as a bonus they serve them ALL the traffic on a silver tray.

Lenin was in hindsight a modest man, he assumed capitalism would SELL him the rope with which he would hang the capitalists, we give it China for free.

More and more the impression creeps up, China is already nested like a incurable cancer in our society. Maybe responsible people need to pick a knife and start slashing away.

Google: All right, screw it, from this Christmas, Chrome will block ALL adverts on dodgy sites

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Stop the driver update ad banners in youtube

Youtube is full again with little ads in clips to update windows drivers from obscure sources, which have no relation with Microsoft. Maybe they start fixing this asap ?.

Solid state of fear: Euro boffins bust open SSD, Bitlocker encryption (it's really, really dumb)

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Re: Fed up with these nonstop security issues

> And, therein lies the problem.... the "miscreants" would probably never know anything about this let

> alone exploit it if these issues were never made public to begin with.

That is on the level of European gun laws, where the bad guys have guns, and the good ones have to jump through a dozen of hoops to get one.

People trust their lives with encryption, companies trust sometimes billions of development costs to be protected by encryption. And once again, the world is left in the rain by one of the biggest IT companies in the world, probably even on purpose, since MS always liked to cosy up with law enforcement so they could easily peek into Windows computers.

It is the Ford Pinto gas tank scandal all over again, but then in IT. Contrary to cars, users have little choice, or even do not want to choose since IT converged to a weird thing where de-facto monopolies are kept alive by near religious fan-boys.

Nikola Tesla's greatest challenge: He could measure electricity but not stupidity

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Re: Not the only scientist on a banknote

Before toilet paper, a.k.a. Euro-Lires from Brussels came into use as currency, the Netherlands had the philosopher Baruch de Spinoza on its highest denomination, the famous green 1000 guilder banknote.

Mourning Apple's war against sockets? The 2018 Mac mini should be your first port of call

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Apple mini for the price of an Alienware gaming rig with i7/16GB/PCIe M.2 SSD/1070Ti

Apple an be admired for the ability to punch people in the face and get boat loads of money in return :).

China tells Trump to use a Huawei phone to avoid eavesdroppers

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Re: Why would Huawei be safer?

Because the FBI can not eaves drop on president Trump when he uses a Chinese secured phone. As said before in this thread, the FBI is riddled with liberals who willingly use their investigative power to obstruct president Trump his presidency, the less information they can get their greasy fingers on to conjure out of context accusations, the better.

Apple to dump Intel CPUs from Macs for Arm – yup, the rumor that just won't die is back

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It would be another world changing innovation of Apple

After Apple changed the world with its smart phones in 2007, this would be another great step. It is weird Intel has a monopoly on CPU's, although the true cause of this is the fact that many mainstream software vendors sell their software based on "per cpu license", thus killing off all initiatives for less powerful but innovative designs, since they would cost more to run applications.

A viable non-Intel CPU based computer would be a great example, showing the world there is more in CPU land than just Intel, we all can profit from competition and innovation.

GDPR stands for Google Doing Positively, Regardless. Webpage trackers down in Europe – except Big G's

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Why is anyone surprised, any regulation costs.

Any legislation making products more complex benefits big companies, and drives the small ones extinct.

Legislation raising the bar on products, makes it harder and more costly to develop them. Only big companies can afford to bear those costs.

A good example are cars, since the Brussels politbureau ordered they have to be small tanks, development costs go into billions for a completely new model, killing off all smaller car manfacturers, increasing costs and limiting choice.

But well, that is the sweet price we pay for EU communism.

Super Micro China super spy chip super scandal: US Homeland Security, UK spies back Amazon, Apple denials

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The denials of Apple and Amazon-AWS are implausible

Amazon, and maybe Apple too, own tens of thousands of computers. What is missing in the denials of both companies are reassuring signals these are not just canned and unverifiable statements:

1. How many computers of the type in question do they do they own

2. How did they test and verify their machines were not infected with these stowaway chips

3. If any, how large were the samples they took to check for unspecified modifications

4. Which measures do they have in place to prevent such things from happening

5. Which checks and quality control procedures are in place for selecting suppliers and their products

Non of the above issues were addressed in any serious manner by those companies.

Given the time frame, to me it seems improbable any serious checking was performed at all, and they could not wait to release their "Don't worry, be happy" statements. But well, that seems the norm nowadays, everybody is worried about something, and companies who are involved just show their middle finger to the public instead of giving serious information and being helpful to society, and as long companies like Apple and Amazon are allowed to behave like bullies, they will continue doing it.

Decoding the Chinese Super Micro super spy-chip super-scandal: What do we know – and who is telling the truth?

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Does it matter if the Bloomberg report is true or not ?

Maybe it was indeed all orchestrated fake news, the scenario itself is however very probable in case we not aware of potential supply chain issues.

Parties who have to rely on foreign IT components, be it hard or software, should take into consideration to whom they want to be exposed, there are only two or at best three choices, except for Europeans, who do not make much IT gear, so everyone is free to spy on them.

WWII Bombe operator Ruth Bourne: I'd never heard of Enigma until long after the war

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Partial truth, partial cover up ?

Since decades there are serious speculations about high-ranking spies in the OKW general staff. Several generals in the Eastern Front planned their own offensives, without interference from the General staff, often referred to as the "Spy Nest" by people like von Manstein. Some say Martin Bormann was a Russian spy. Maybe this enigma stuff is made up to create a smoke screen.

This kind of leakage is sort of detectable by smart people, they will notice when "by coincidence" the enemy seems to be on the right place at the right time each time something happens.

It is however unclear why German counter intelligence was so bad, the incredible losses in the U-boat war, was a clear sign something was off, since Oceans are big, and they seem to be spot on all the time.

First Boeing 777 (aged 24) makes its last flight – to a museum

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Is "designed by computer" better ?.

Delays like Boeing is experiencing with the new KC-46 tanker always seem a bit weird to me, the Boeing engineers in the 1950's designed the KC-135 in a few years, using paper design plans, and they are still flying over 50 years later.

Linux kernel's Torvalds: 'I am truly sorry' for my 'unprofessional' rants, I need a break to get help

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Re: He's Not Sorry...

This type of comments exactly identifies the "rainbow" people, who probably never got screamed at by their drill sergeant for doing something dumb that would get others killed in combat.

Kernel programming is like combat, where a single mistake may kill others. But I guess that is something people giving this type of qualification to a great man will be incapable to understand.

What's Big and Blue – and makes its veteran staff sue? Yep, it's IBM

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Slowly spiralling into oblivion like Unisys

It is sad to see a company, that was the technical benchmark in IT from the baby-boomer age up to the early 2000's, slowly became irrelevant. IBM lost its technical aura, the great company building the 360/370 architecture, setting standards and making the fastest CPU's now is becoming what Unisys is now. I am sure the day they will start emulating z-Series on Intel will be near.

Their path into technical irrelevance indeed implies it can afford to replace technical competence by millenials fingering their smart phones.

Trump shouldn't criticise the news media, says Amazon's Jeff Bezos

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Poor Jeff is so right, nobody takes his leftist hate pamflet seriously anymore

Washington Post claims president Trump is a sorcerer creating storms.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/09/13/nolte-from-terrorist-hurricane-creator-wapo-ramps-hate-campaign-against-trump/

GDPR v2 – Gradually Diminishing Psychotic Robots: Brussels kills Terminator apocalypse

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Weaponizing AI will happen, denying this is suicidal

It is naive to think countries like China, Russia and USA will not actively develop autonomous weapon systems. Any country that is not working on a strategy to deal with this, will in the end have these robots anyway, only owned by another country.

Besides that, smart robot cops will add a lot to effective law enforcement, being able to clean up whole cities from criminals in weeks. I am sure China will lead the way in these developments.

Drama as boffins claim to reach the Holy Grail of superconductivity

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Re: It's dead, Jim, but not as we know it

Hot fusion technically works, since it costs more energy to initiate and sustain any type of real existing fusion reactor, it voids the reason to start it in the first place.

Google risks mega-fine in EU over location 'stalking'

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It is also wifi

Google also uses its wifi database to locate users. I have my location switched off, but based on the wifi/ADSL address of my phone, it knows and registers where I am.

So it is a double violation, location off is supposed to be location off, and not use the wifi of a shopkeeper to start sending product related emails and browser ads when a user stares into the shopwindow for a few seconds.

Wasted worker wasps wanna know – oi! – who are you looking at?

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Re: How High?

What is it with alcohol and living creatures. Everything from a half inch wasp to an elephant of 2 tons seems to enjoy it. The creator must have given this craving for alcohol with an intention we did not uncover yet.

New age discrim row: Accenture, Facebook sued by sales boss for favoring 'new blood'

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Re: Difficult to stop

Is it not very easy to stop ?. Unless the jobs at a company do involve heavy physical labor, age discrimination can be proven by simple statistics.

If 45-55 year old people make up 15% of the population, this age group should have a comparable part in the numbers of hours worked.

The same should go with gender and race discrimination. In case significant deviations can be proven, laws should be put in place enabling to jail higher management and HRM employees based on discrimination charges. Tax deductible fines don't work, the prospect of some time in the slammer will end the invisible and silent discrimination of certain groups, which is rampant in Western society.

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