* Posts by WatAWorld

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Facebook is abusive. It's time to divorce it

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Re: A decentralised facebook

Won't work.

Each region of the world has its own Facebook equivalent, and only one Facebook equivalent.

Look at the dud that was Google+.

A personal website is not an FB equivalent.

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Newspapers and magazines have been emotionally manipulating us for over a century.

"Everyone who uses Facebook is being emotionally monitored. That’s what Facebook does. Anyone who uses Facebook can be emotionally manipulated."

1. Everyone period is emotionally monitored by those around them and we can be emotionally manipulated.

2. Newspapers and magazines have been emotionally manipulating us for over a century.

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What's driving people out of tech biz? Unfair treatment, harassment, funnily enough – study

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Re: Peter principle

Management is a separate skill from accounting, sales, marketing, banking, news reading, you name it.

That doesn't stop those people getting into management.

Actually engineering is pretty close to management. Project planning. Maintaining professional standards in your design so people aren't killed by your bridge.

Most successful large manufacturing companies have former engineers filling most of their executive positions.

But in IT it is mostly salespeople filling the executive positions.

Is BT a former crown company. In my experience managers with bad people skills seem common in current and privatized crown companies. I think it goes with having to deal with employees you cannot fire, the thick skin needed, calloused thick numb skin needed.

One of my brothers is an accountant, and he says accountants are notorious in management. They have no sympathy and they're looking at the bottom line.

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Re: "I'm being treated unfairly... Means..."

This is a bit of a strawman argument isn't it? I mean people are saying why they think they've been treated unfairly and you've ignored that and fabricated an easy to attack image.

"When I was growing up Mum and Dad always said I was wonderful and talented and great and bought me anything I wanted and allowed me to do whatever I wanted. When I went out and got a job, the people who hired me don't treat me like that at all. I am being treated unfairly"

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Re: Obligatory XKCD

" team product owner should be a goofball from the sales team. Much misery ensued."

If "team product owner" is anything like a product manager you'll find that is pretty much universal.

Same thing with CIO, usually some person with a strong sales background from somewhere, and just a little technical knowledge.

In Canada, in the finance and services industries, IT people, especially male IT people, are seen as so universally and completely lacking in people skills they're only ever allowed to run small teams of fellow socially handicapped colleagues.

Managing larger groups more requires either a woman or a former salesperson.

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In my career I knew 4 women who left IT in Canada for reasons other than being promoted

In my career I knew 4 women who left IT in Canada for reasons other than being promoted out of IT and into general management.

Two left to go into nursing.

- One of those two left because a couple of employers in a row forced her into supervisory roles, when all she wanted was to program.

- The other left because programming was too socially isolating and she didn't get many thanks (and none of us got much thanks, that is how it is in programming).

The third had been a nurse (graduated and worked in nursing) before coming to Canada and starting work in programming. She went back to Australia to work in one of their health ministries as a user analyst.

A fourth left for a position in the USA where she was promised she could just do programming. Her company here in Canada was asking her to go into management so frequently it constituted harassment.

Other than that four, I've know a half dozen other women to leave IT, but they left to go into management.

That is the thing, if you are a woman and you want to work in IT you will not have that opportunity in Canada, because you'll be promoted out of IT. Your only choice if you want to do tech work is to leave IT and do some other kind of tech work.

I hope things are better in other countries.

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Re: Twas ever thus

@LGB "Good tech people are hard to find and a small percentage of the population to begin with, to try and mandate requisite genitalia and skin colour seems stupid to me."

The bosses say they hope to get more people into the industry by recruiting women. (Either that or they hope to pay $0.72 (or $0.92) instead of $1.00.)

For every woman they attract they probably push away a man.

Much better to let women who want to enter the industry. And let them take the positions they want.

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It isn't always race and sex that cause the ill treatment, but to the extent that author Thomas

It isn't always race and sex that cause the ill treatment, but to the extent that author Thomas Claburn is correct that it is, the reason for the high numbers leaving is that it is majority groups and near-majority groups facing the unfair treatment.

That is certainly how it is in Canada. Once they're up to quota in your sex or race your treatment declines ways made obvious every time a manager opens its (his/her) mouth. And in IT in Canada that means male, but it doesn't only mean white males. At large companies here, Chinese and Asian males often complain privately that they're are treated so much more poorly than other members of their ethnic group.

(Basic arithmetic: Small minority groups leaving for any reason would only only cause statistically small movement. Big movement statistics require large groups leaving.)

This isn't 1980, but you still have to be quite intelligent, and you'll be treated like a labourer. IT contains perhaps half of a typical financial company's top 10% in brain power is in IT, and they're almost entirely excluded from strategic decisions and management development.

I will repeat what I said in response to past articles, I don't regard it as ethical to recommend directly entering an IT career to anyone, male or female.

Much better to do engineering or business administration or fine arts and get into IT via being an expert user.

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What number of men and what number of women leave due to unfair treatment and harass

What number of men and what number of women leave due to unfair treatment and harassment?

I can't believe the only male to have left the industry (retired early) due to that reason.

And I didn't quit one job either. One bad company does not make a poisoned industry. I'd encountered a bad company/bad department really, early in my career. They happen. (Any professional reporter should know that, after all there are bad news media organizations for reporters to work in too. Doesn't mean the entirety of the news media industry is bad.)

I tried a few companies for a couple of years each -- fair trial -- leaving each, before I tossed in the towel.

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RIP Bob Taylor: Internet, desktop PC pioneer powers down at 85

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Sadly, though this guy had more impact on regular people's lives than all current 'celebrities'

Sadly, though this guy had more impact on people's lives than all current 'celebrities' combined, his passing will only be noted by a handful of technical journals.

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Apple nabs permit to experiment with self-driving iCars in Cali

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Re: Not The Only One

Pretty much if you want to put your guidance software in someone else's car and test it and tweak it, you're going to need a permit to build and test self-driving cars.

The fact is that the software being tested is going to have huge safety implications. It is going to change the safety aspects of the car.

Consider aircraft. You install an untested unapproved piece of electronics that does pretty much anything, let alone autonomous guidance, and you've got to treat and label your aircraft as "Experimental", get approval, and not permit passengers.

Aircraft or car, it is a public safety issue when you're testing safety features in public. Testing guidance control systems is going to require a permit even if the car used is a standard production model from Ford or GM.

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Re: Not The Only One

"how much could Apple charge to license a copy of iOS when Google gives Android away for free?"

Maybe more money than MS made with Windows, given that there are more phones than desktops.

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Re: Somebody trademark "iCar"

iCar is trademarked in Canada already, it is a training company.

And in France it is a ceramics factory.

In Germany iCar does aeronautics parts.

iVan is too many things to mention in Eastern Europe.l

But iSedan is available.

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Frank, same is true no matter who comes up with the car -- or any product or service, any industry, cars, computers, TVs, music.

Company comes up with a good one, people want it, and they make a boatload of cash and it puts them ahead of their competitors.

But a question: What does it mean for a car to 'handle well' when nobody is handling it, when it is being handled by a computer? Do you mean a car that 'rides well'?

Or maybe it is a difference between UK and North American English?

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Re: “Collision Avoidance Of Arbitrary Polygonal Obstacles.”

The article did give a link to the actual patent so you can see which means of skinning a cat they claim is new:

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2173&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&s1=(1%2F1.CCLS.+AND+20161208.PD.)&p=44&OS=ccl/1/1+and+pd/12/8/2016&RS=(CCL/1/1+AND+PD/20161208)

As you can see it is indeed as @malle-herbert said.

Vectors of where the car is.

Vectors and polyhedrons to describe the obstacle.

Bounding circles to describe what must be avoided.

Vectors to describe where the obstacle is in relation to the car.

Computer systems with memory, display units, memory and one or more processors.

Etc., etc.

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I hear they first plan to patent the revolutionary idea of a box with 4 wheels.

I hear they first plan to patent the revolutionary idea of a box with 4 wheels.

In phase two they'll invent and patent windows.

In phase three they'll invent a means to roll down and roll up the windows.

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WWW daddy Sir Tim Berners-Lee stands up for end-to-end crypto

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Politicians and civil servants will be the biggest losers without unbreakable encryption

Look up the definition of Chekist in Wikipedia. A chekist is a person who supports their country's intelligence agencies and police being able to surveil their fellow citizens.

A Chekist regime is a regime like the old USSR and Putin's Russian Federation where members of the security agencies and police know so much about politicians, business people and academics that they legally have total control via superior knowledge and total control illegally by an unlimited ability to blackmail anyone.

Now with the internet intelligence agencies and police will know so much about people, will have so much dirt from what people posted during their student days, that people posted as adults years ago concerning now lost causes,

Sure, members of parliament, Home Office and MOD officials will grant themselves supposed immunity and exclusions from spying. But the spying will have already been done during their college years, during their early working years, during the recreational time.

No laws will be passed, no plans will be laid, no discussions will occur within political parties or within government offices that would make members of the intelligence agencies or the police unhappy.

Like with Chekist Russia, a Chekist UK, the government, industry and academic of a Chekist USA will be run by, and for the benefit of, alumni of our own security services and police.

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Are UK companies, academics and civil servants allowed to have secrets from foreign bodies?

Without end-to-end encryption that foreign security agencies and foreign police cannot break:

- The secrets of UK companies will be open to foreign rivals

- The secrets of UK academics will be open to foreign rivals

- The secrets of UK senior and other civil servants outside of the Home Office and MOD will be open to foreign rivals

Without end-to-end encryption that foreign security agencies and foreign police cannot break, no UK company, no UK citizen, no UK resident, no company, citizen or resident of any place in the world can have business, economic, planning, political, policy, or personal secrets from foreign police and foreign security agencies.

Remember that foreign countries similar to our own are our biggest and most serious competitors in business, economic and academic matters.

The USA, Canada, Australia, France, Germany, China, Russia, Sweden and Denmark are all foreign countries whose industry and academics compete with our own.

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Firefox Quantum: BIG browser project, huh? I share your concern

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Re: Please don't F up the UI

Yes Unicornpiss, Chrome has speed and supposedly security (although I've read that now Edge is supposedly even more secure). That is what Chrome had and has, speed.

I switched to Chrome 3 times before I finally gave up on FF. I loved the FF UI, the add-ons, the company's and developer's friendly non-arrogant attitudes, their openness, and that they actually often responded to bug reports and feature requests by dwebby outsiders like myself.

But objectively Chrome just had so much more speed, so third time I stuck with it.

Now you've got me thinking sentimentally. I wish Mozilla luck. Maybe they can get me back.

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It is more work to regain lost customers than to retain customers

They should have completed Electrolysis and the 64-bit versions several years ago, before so many people abandoned FF.

In the 2009 to 2012 timeframe they had 26% of the browser market share.

But now, due to people losing patience and moving to faster products, they've down to 11.7% market share on desktops & laptops, and only 0.72% on handhelds.

https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=194&qpnp=24&qptimeframe=M

Now they've got a tough job to attract their disenchanted and disappointed former customers back.

It is a non-zero effort to switch browsers, to get used to the new UI, to get employees used to the new UI -- so they've got to come up with something that is a considerable improvement over Chrome (and Edge).

And then they've got to find a way to get the word out so potential customers will switch before Google and MS copy, and maybe build on, their improvements.

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As a shock to absolutely no one, Uber is mostly pasty, male at the top

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Re: SOP

Would you have laughed if IBM or HP or Yahoo sent 5 white, middle-aged women from head office?

You see the point then, you see how the danger of becoming the joke you think other people are.

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Is it really necessary to troll us with racist clickbait headlines?

Is it really necessary to troll us with racist clickbait headlines?

Is it really so hard for you guys to attract readers that you need to become bottom feeders?

No amateur trolls for the Reg. Like The Guardian and Breibart you only employ the finest most highly educationed professional trolls.

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IBM could have made almost all the voluntary redundancies it needed

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Re: Never Volunteer

Usually asking people to leave comes with a good severance offer, 6 months, 9 months, 12 months. So there is a reason to express interest.

Offering the statutory minimum 4 weeks in the UK (at best 2 weeks in the USA) is no motivation. As you say, an employer looking at an employee who offers to accept that, that they enjoy the job so little they'd leave it for next to nothing. The employee would be marking themselves off as someone dissatisfied who'd leave at the drop of a hat even if the other company was offering equivalent pay.

So yes, what you say makes sense. Don't show interest in the offer. Instead just quietly start looking for another job.

If you quit once you find another job you're guaranteed no gap in pay cheques.

If you take the 4 week severance package, yes maybe you get 4 weeks of double pay, but much more likely you'll have a several month gap.

That chance of double pay for 4 weeks is not worth the risk of a several month gap. Look around on your own and leave when you've found another job.

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This whole topic brings up yesterday's "Could you ethically recommend a female go into IT".

No, I couldn't ethically recommend _anyone go into IT_, unless they live in some country with very low labour costs.

Which of us would recommend a young person go into a field where they are most likely (with a exceptions) to be working for cheap skate abusive employers who treat 'permanent staff' like contractors and lay them off at the first opportunity to shift the work offshore?

In 10 years most of the IT work left here in the first world is going to be administrator work, shifting machines, cabling, swapping boards, and other physical stuff that can't be offshored.

IT was good for me for the first 25 years, now it is rapidly becoming so not worth it. I as badly for the bright young optimistic newbies just getting out of college or university now as I do for those with 10 years experience who are being laid off because their specialty was product we've switched away from.

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Re: The good people

"I put my name down several times and was told I was too valuable - not valuable enough for any form of pay rise - but eventually they were left with only a few people like me who kept their hands up and I got my package. Yay."

Yes, it is the best people who aren't afraid to look around, who are versatile enough to adapt to new companies.

I'll add, in my experience many of the 'good people who stay' are generally people who have worked in one environment or with one architecture for so long they are afraid they cannot make a transition. They might have been versatile really good once, but now they are good at what they do and fear the need to learn something new.

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Best people often first to accept severance because it is easy for them to find another job &

The best people are often first to accept severance because it is easy for them to find another job and it is glum working in a place where downsizing is a habit. It makes people glum and top performers don't want to work in glum environments.

In IBM's case, you've also got the involuntary relocations -- so super glum, super dismal.

IBM was probably already in a death spiral, and if it wasn't, it is now. Best people leave causing a loss of customers & clients, causing a need to layoff, the further layoff's causing a further loss of customers & clients.

Probably a lot of those who'd offered to resign have already started their job searches, and having started those job searches will be getting job offers now, regardless of what IBM wants.

That is the thing: When your staff start looking around for other employers (because of something management has done or rumors of what management is going to do), once they seriously start looking, many will get good offers, the best will definitely get good offers in the coming several months. And they'll leave regardless of what the employer does to patch things up.

The best advice if you're working at a place that is in a death spiral is to leave now before your outlook on work, attitude towards work, is permanently dragged down.

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Can you ethically suggest a woman pursue a career in tech?

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Isn't it bigotry and prejudice to see some people in an ethnic group do something,

Isn't it bigotry and prejudice to see some people in an ethnic group do something, or some gangs in an ethnic group, and then to assume (extrapolate) that all members of that ethnic group do that same something?

And isn't that true when somebody does the same thing with manual labourers? With women? With black people? And with programmers?

The only locker room talk I've ever hear or read in IT is here in The Reg by Reg writers. We aren't all like you guys.

Almost none of us here in Canada are like you guys. We're a humourless very cautious and considerate bunch here. Our jokes are about the weather and programming languages. If someone complains about a person, it is the person they're complaining about, not one of that person's groupings.

And if you bully a woman, if it ever happened, and if she ever quit, you'd have all your buddies hating you for chasing away the woman.

It is bigotry to suggest that all IT shops are like Uber. It is pure ignorance to suggest that programmers have anything more in common with rude 12 y/o gamers than do accountants, social workers and liberal arts students.

I'm tired of us in our industry being victimized and generalized over by the media because we're weak, unorganized and don't fight back.

We're a largely soft-spoken introverted group with all the defenses of a bunch of 4 year-olds and we're easy for the eloquent classes to target and bully.

And we'll never ask for an apology.

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Re: If Seagates drives didn't fail so frequently they might have been able to hang on

Sorry about the title, my computer changed it as it posted.

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"for the next twenty years, men must be on their best behaviour"

Young me will do what young men are doing: Staying away from university in droves.

Those IT companies had darn well better attract female STEM graduates because STEM's male prospects have given up before they've started.

Affirmative action, whether against Jews in the 1930s, or against white men now, pushes people away, makes them leave. And then you're left having to depend on your Aryans or later day Aryans.

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I don't know what company Mark Pesce works for, but he should quit.

I don't know what company Mark Pesce works for, but he should quit.

What he is talking about, I've worked as an employee and contractor for just over 30 companies.

And NONE of those companies is on the same planet as Mark Pesce. I'm an extroverted guy, I like to get in on scuttlebutt, and I've never heard anything like what he is talking about.

Mark, quit where you are an immigrate back to earth.

Or do some real research before you write your stories.

Are the people harassing the Uber IT person really other IT people? Or are they liberal arts grads twittering from underneath some rock somewhere? Maybe they are what you call in the UK NEETs. Maybe they aren't even male. After all, on the internet nobody knows if you're a dog, or a provocateur.

Anyway, Mark is probably not talking about Canadian IT shops, and if he is he is spouting false news.

Oh wait, it is an Op-Ed piece, it doesn't have to be factual. Right.

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If Seagates drives didn't fail so frequently they might have been able to hang on

I'm in Winnipeg, Canada, a city of 800,000. I've worked in IT in Winnipeg and in Toronto.

- When asked, I do not recommend young people go into IT unless they really want to.

- Don't go into it for the money, mostly the money is only okay.

- If they do really want to, I suggest they go in via an accounting, business administration, or engineering degree, not a computer science degree.

- If they want to do games development, I recommend that they do engineering and develop a strong hobby in illustration and painting.

If they are male I give them further cautions:

- In Canada IT doesn't pay so well. Of the top 10 professions you can do with a 4 year degree, IT is at best #10. Some years it is not even in the top 10.

- You should expect to have to leave Winnipeg, and pursue your career in either Toronto or the USA.

- Jobs are no longer automatic anywhere, not even in the big cities.

- Most companies at least partially treat their employees as if they were self-employed, relying at least partially on the programmer to stay up-to-date on his or her own time, although usually reimbursing the tuition fees for courses.

- Expect to be laid-off when the products you know lose popularity.

- Expect to spend many months between jobs while you try to do re-training on your own.

- Expect to remain a bottom rung worker.

- CIOs usually come from sales, sometimes accounting,never programming.

- In Canada there is heavy affirmative action, so advancement opportunities are limited for white and Asian males.

- The companies I've worked for and consulted into, about 2/3 the department will be male, with about 75% of programmers being male, and about 75% of project leaders being female.

- Being Asian (Chinese or East Asian) doesn't help, companies here are generally up to quota in male Asians.

- Being black or aboriginal Canadian or disabled does (I'm disabled) does definitely help, as does being female.

- There are a lot of female CIOs in Canada, and also female CEOs of IT companies, way out of proportion to the number of females in IT. They often worked there way up in IT, but some are from accounting or sales.

- The male CIOs you find are inevitably from outside of IT, usually sales, sometimes accounting.

So in Canada, IT is definitely a worse career for white and Asian males than it is for the disabled, blacks, aboriginal Canadians, and females. It isn't even close.

The day I went back to work disabled was the first time in 30 years anyone talked to me about promotion to project leader.

I'm disabled and spend a couple of days every month in hospital. I've got to say that most nurses are happier than any programmers I've ever met. And in Canada RNs make way more money than programmers.

I kind of regret not going into nursing instead.

Anyway, don't waste your life like I did. Do your research. Go into a real profession not IT.

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Official: America auto-scanned visitors' social media profiles. Also: It didn't work properly

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At least Trump isn't claiming all programmers are sexist bigots

At least Trump isn't claiming all programmers are sexist bigots without examining each individual, unlike some publications I know.

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UK Home Office warns tech staff not to tweet negative Donald Trump posts

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It is plain common sense

It is plain common sense not to criticise regulators, clients or customers while indicating your employer.

If you mention your employer, if you mention your professional association, you are dragging them into it.

Much better to have a separate personal account for political comment, preferably using a 'pen name' (pseudonym) that doesn't mention any employer or any professional credentials.

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That CIA exploit list in full: The good, the bad, and the very ugly

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Your Twitter link in this is dead, so the garbage it contained has probably been withdrawn

"Thirdly, if you've been following US politics and WikiLeaks' mischievous role in the rise of Donald Trump, you may have clocked that Tuesday's dump was engineered to help the President pin the hacking of his political opponents' email server on the CIA. "

1. The CIA is barred by US federal law from spying domestically.

2. Are you guys mind readers? If no, then you must be making it up.

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Re: "Nothing to see here, folks, move along..."

"I know the CIA has made a practice of handing complete articles to the media and having them published as if independently written. But I didn't know The Register participated in the program."

I wonder if they'll be resignations over this at The Reg.

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The CIA is supposedly prohibited by US federal law from spying within the USA

The CIA is supposedly prohibited by US federal law from spying within the USA.

If it is, that is huge news. Huge huge news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency

"Unlike the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), which is a domestic security service, the CIA has no law enforcement function and is mainly focused on overseas intelligence gathering, with only limited domestic intelligence collection."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Resources_Division

"The National Resources Division (NR) is the domestic division of the United States Central Intelligence Agency. Its main function is to conduct voluntary debriefings of U.S. citizens who travel overseas for work or to visit relatives, and to recruit foreign students, diplomats and businesspeople to become CIA assets when they return to their countries"

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False news?

" was engineered to help the President pin the hacking of his political opponents' email server on the CIA"

The link in there is to a page that no longer exists.

Doubtless false news, so you should recraft your article changing your phrasing from "statement of fact" to "idle speculation".

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Linus Torvalds lashes devs who 'screw all the rules and processes' and send him 'crap'

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"Are the devs working for Intel being paid or not? Assuming they are that makes them professionals. Intel donates their work to the Linux kernel for free. Does that make them amateurs?"

As covered in one of my other posts in this topic: The amature contributions to Linux and then the professional contribution to Linux.

The amateurs work for free, for experience or as part of class work.

The Intel, AMD, nVidia, etc developers are professionals paid by their employers. So are the developers working for banks, governments, consulting firms, and other companies that donate code to Torvalds.

Those professionals are employed by those other companies, not Linux.

With some exceptions, the objectives of the projects they are working on are not to improve Linux, but rather to get THEIR product to work with Linux, or to change Linux so it will play nice with THEIR internal app, or to eliminate some bug in Linux that affects their company and their clients.

- Their jobs are to fulfill the needs of their employer and their employer's clients.

- Their loyalty is to their employer and their employer's clients.

- They surely don't want to hurt Linux. They probably all want to play nice, because of professionalism and so their companies aren't banned.

- But their loyalties and objectives are not to make sure that Linux runs fine and bug free on obscure stuff at other companies. When their boss assigns them to a new project, regression testing of the old project ends.

So this stuff is created so Linux will work with their equipment or their internal applications, and it is donated to Linux for free. It is written by them so their stuff will work. And they're donating it to Torvalds for free. Even if it has bugs, it is arguably worth the price Torvalds pays for it.

Is Torvalds not even giving them a registered charity donation receipt so they can claim their effort on their income taxes?

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Re: "Does the chip vendor publish enough to let someone write a driver?"

" why they should publish their IP for free? Because of course even binary drivers are evil in Stallman "paradise", right? So, who looks stupid? Maybe those who prefer not to have drivers because they're not open code based on open specs?"

I don't think the specs are written in open code, I think they're written in English with graphics.

Are you thinking of example code that you can clone?

Marketability is the jurisdiction of the sales department. That the product is marketable requires usability. The sales department at the device manufacturer should ensure that either drivers are published or the specifications for drivers are published, for all the important operating systems the device will be marketed for.

And sale departments have their limits:

1. They can't override human resources and force employees to work with abusive contacts.

2. They often won't care about salability to tiny markets.

Inability to work with others is a big problem in Linux.

I mean, look at all the problems with Windows and Apple (the Apple problems are hidden from the public, but you're professionals so you know).

All those problems and Linux can't give away its product when the alternatives both cost money and are so bad.

And it isn't only home users who avoid Linux. It is the professionals at banks, governments, electronics manufacturers, engineering companies. They use Linux, but sparingly, only when they have to.

Ask yourself, why do those in the industry with so much varied experience in so many industries not go with Linux all the time? Is everyone else stupid and you're the only smart person? Or are your needs different than theirs? Or do you not understand your needs?

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Re: "If you are stupid enough to try and ship code that does not build"

@DS "Who writes Windows drivers?"

Sometimes MS employees, but usually paid employees of the hardware maker.

Why?

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Let us get definitions straight here:

If and only if you are normally paid for your work are you a professional.

If you work for free you're an amateur.

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Re: Grasshopper ...

"... allow me to impart some of the wisdom of the Ancient Coders: Do not begin to write code without first understanding full extent of the problem."

That is ideally true in the vast majority of cases, especially those with recently written in-house software at companies who've always had high quality staffing and procedures.

Then there are:

- The poor bastards stuck in shops where they're afraid to ask questions because they'll either be called stupid or ostracized as newbies.

- The poor bastards told to fix the current problem because it is urgent and that ramifications can be taken care of laster, and

- The poor bastards stuck in shops where most documentation was destroyed by people worried about their personal 'job security'.

More applicably to operating systems and massive shrink wrapped applications: There now there are systems installed in such a vast variety of companies all around the world, each using it for different purposes, different alphabets, each customizing it in their own way, each with different unforeseen needs, running on a vast variety of imperfect hardware, and then you'll realize that a detailed total understanding of the full extent of the problem is not always possible.

Understanding the full extent of the problem with mega complex massive multi-user software will come with sitting in your ashram chamber and accepting that your knowledge is not detailed that there will never be bug fixes, future releases and future versions.

You try to insist on get a sufficient understanding of the problem that you won't introduce bugs, while accepting that in such complex situations nothing is 100%.

(I think maybe that is how 'security researchers' see the world -- as a bunch of small shops with simple specs and simple human interactions, something that a human being can totally understand with a couple of months effort. That would explain why they think project scheduling, analysis, coding, unit testing, system integration testing, regression testing, beta testing and production roll-out, done over 15 countries with 45 different cultures and delivered to 137 countries in 55 languages should never take more than 90 days.)

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Re: Not surprise reaction from Linus

Lack of quality code comes from getting your code second hand, built by people paid to fulfill some paying companies own project, and then trying to send it out to the world.

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Re: I for one would welcome --

But I think the word for someone submitting code that does not build is not "narcissist" but "traitor".

That assumes they owe you some loyalty.

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Re: "If you are stupid enough to try and ship code that does not build"

Except that MS paid its developers rather than depending on charity donations of time from them.

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Charity case Torvalds gets what he he pays for.

If Torvalds were to treat his workers like human beings and pay them like professionals and he'd attract better quality developers.

Instead he's mostly got amateurs working for the glory of being associated with their spiritual leader / demi-god.

Aside for the amateurs, he's got donations from other companies, from people who work for the good of other companies, people who work to fulfill the needs of other companies, who are loyal to those other companies, and who follow the procedures, rules and leaders of those other companies.

Torvalds, you're getting what you pay for.

Be grateful for the charity. (And do you even hand out charitable donation receipts so people and companies can claim their donations to you on their income tax?)

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Google's Project Zero reveals another Microsoft flaw

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Re: Capable of Learning?

It is shit simple to toss a brick through a competitors window and any idiot with a PhD could do it.

The difficulty is making brick proof glass cheap enough for widespread consumer use, nobody at any company and no academic has done that yet.

It seems LDS is the only one of you lot with practical experience in massive scale systems deployed on a wide variety of hardware under the administration of a massive multi-locationed enterprise.

Rushing out fixes is a sure fire recipe for disaster.

Which is why the ethical thing to do is to register the bug with your nation's CERT and only release zero days when your nation's CERT says enough time has elapsed.

Too many inexperienced arrogant people outside are guessing the complexity with orders of magnitude error.

Especially these security types. If they think they're so smart why haven't they created a better operating system? Come on, the way they talk they should have it done in a fortnight.

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Re: Capable of Learning?

Give it a rest??? I beg to differ.

Google's record is abysmal. They're still unable to push security updates out to their Android installations.

Yeah, sure, there are OEMs in between them and their customers, but the same is true for Microsoft. (Only Apple doesn't have that barrier.)

Google is living in a glass house and it it putting its customers in that same glass house.

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Is this the same Google that is still unable to update Android?

Dumb question, I know, but is this the same Google that is still unable to update Android?

Maybe instead of publishing "how to hacks" for other people's products and systems they should put some more time and effort into making their own products secure:

1. Figuring out how to make automatic updates work (like Apple did decades ago) and,

2. Getting vendors and re-sellers to agree to let that automatic update process work (like Microsoft did a decade ago).

Or is this some different Google?

Or does Google measure itself by different means than it measures other companies?

I know this other stuff, zero days in other people's products and systems, is important.

However, JOB ONE for Google should be taking care of its own products, its own customers and making stuff attached to its name secure -- rather than sitting up in their in their giant glass house throwing stones.

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