* Posts by codejunky

1911 posts • joined 24 Oct 2011

National Audit Office: We'll be in a world of pain with '90s border tech post-Brexit

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Re: Brexit?

@ John G Imrie

"The problem is that because of Brexit we have to

a) Get this done now"

No. we Should have a border anyway since we are supposed to be enforcing it against anyone not from the chosen land. The idea that we need to make a border now because we are leaving the EU is a statement that we need a border now nothing to do with the EU.

"Without Brexit we would have known what rules we should be working to and could take as long as necessary."

The simple answer is hard brexit as the EU refuse to negotiate. Unless that position changes (which they are trying to dictate terms before any negotiation, a big no no) we will need a border of the likes we should already have. One which records movement in and out of the country while checking the validity of entry.

"Brexit has had one positive outcome, because of the hard deadline we will know quite soon just how big a fuck up the new system is."

I cant imagine it takes much foresight to see how fucked up the gov project will be. National borders or picnic in a sandwich shop.

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Re: Brexit?

@AC

Damn you got there before me. The brexit in the title would appear to have next to nothing to do with the UK border problem. I guess the attempt is to keep the moan in remoaner? I hate that as a word but whoever came up with that title is trying to earn it.

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NHS: Remember those patient records we didn't deliver? Well, we found another 162,000

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Re: Support your NHS

@AC

I dont know why you are hiding behind AC when you have contributed such a good comment. In this country the NHS is a religion. The scary part is some people believe it is the best in the world and worse some people think it would be with just more money (not from them of course).

In this country anyone who questions the religion is told the alternative is the US. I keep pointing out that the only developed country in the world the UK looks down on for healthcare is the US.

Thumbs up from me.

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Re: Support your NHS

@ wolfetone

"It falls down because of chronic under investment"

I struggle with that explanation. I keep getting told how the problems would be solved if they were showered with more money, except labour pissed money on them in great quantities that could not be sustained and yet they always demand more. Over the last 7 years the NHS has not got the ever increasing budget but has been kept with the investment from the greatest and longest boom in recent history.

However the NHS has money for a new IT system and training people months before it is deployed to ensure confusion and chaos. They also have the budget to hunt whistle blowers and PR about how wonderful it is. I am of course talking about the NHS and not the nurses and doctors who have to put up with this system.

"Except, it doesn't run efficiently due to the management as nothing can happen until all those layers of management agree to it."

Well said. Even under labour they were cutting nurses at the same time as hiring secretaries. The bureaucracy is a wonderful machine to slow everyone down. Such as the recent smart idea to ask our sexual orientation so they can track any discrimination issues. The same organisation I wouldnt trust to track a patients progress (they have failed a few times just for close relatives) wants to waste productive peoples time (nurses) with more paperwork.

"Tell me again about the times a private healthcare company did something for the good of it's customers and not its shareholders?"

Looked after my dad. Where the NHS failed and could have killed him because they dismissed him and his heart problem the private doctors saw him within reasonable time (within a week not in the next 2 month for a heart condition!) and gave him great care and performed the surgery before the NHS diagnostic appointment would have been possible to book. if you want to ask what they have done for their customers they kept my dad alive after the NHS failed him after his ride in by ambulance.

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Brit spooks 'kept oversight bodies in the dark' over data sharing

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Hmm

Who watches the watchers? Countries which valued freedom becoming more afraid of such freedom.

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Twitter: Why we silenced Rose McGowan after she slammed alleged sex pest Harvey Weinstein

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Re: I dont care if you do or dont delete dilbert from your RSS feed

@ sabroni

"In fact I so don't care I'm going to write a little essay explaining how stupid you are..."

You may want to look up. Higher. Higher. You see that thing up there, thats the point you seem to have missed.

I dont care if he does or not decide to remove the RSS feed for dilbert. What does bother me is that he publicly announces he is going to cut off his nose to spite his face and seems to think it is something to be proud of. And if I am honest he is the straw that broke the camels back because I see this kind of reasoning becoming more and more mainstream.

The virtue signalling that the provider of content that they actually want (that is the logic here) has an opinion they dont agree with and so they are boycotting it is similar to an idiot doing it in a room saying 'I am walking out, who is with me'. The demand for attention and support at doing something stupid.

That isnt a million miles from those idiots who campaign to no-platform people. Because freedom of thought and differing perspectives are so dangerous to a closed mind. I have no problem with anyone with a closed mind but it isnt something I would brag about. Especially in such a trivial situation as political opinion.

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Re: I think Linehan has it right

@ Sitaram Chamarty

"Just deleted the dilbert feed from my RSS reader. I absolutely love Dilbert but not at this price"

So you will stop enjoying something you enjoy because the creator has a personal opinion you dont like? You might want to stop using almost everything as finding 2 people who agree on everything is not an easy task at all.

I dont understand the growing intolerance nor the excessive overreaction and tantrum approach to life. Do you ask the political beliefs of the servers at a restaurant before you eat there? Or coffee shop? Who the hell cares? I am sure you hold beliefs that others would disagree with, and if they said to you 'well I aint gonna invite you for dinner any more' are you really gonna give a hoot at all? No.

I dont care if you do or dont delete dilbert from your RSS feed (first world problems eh) but I seriously hope you are not representative of the majority of people in this country. And I severely hope you are still in school/college to think self harm for someone elses personal thoughts/beliefs is clever (at least enough to announce publicly).

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Give us cash and think about the kids, UK tells Facebook and Twitter

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Re: undeniable suffering

@ Ledswinger

"Rees-Mogg is a frightening throwback to Victorian values"

I do somewhat feel sorry for the guy. He is obviously very different with his own views, but then who had the same views as Blair to destroy education by forcing people into uni then introducing tuition fees? Or his Christian beliefs of kicking the Middle East hard? Or many of the other nuttiness he did?

Mogg does seem to strike me as honest even if he knows his opinion wont be popular, but also acknowledges his opinion isnt shared by everyone and respects decisions even against his views. If that is true (I dont know the guy, he might be a good lier) then maybe a throwback to pre-boyband PM's and actually base it on policies instead of promising one thing and doing the direct opposite. I struggle to think of a politician with integrity and seriously dont like the way our politics has gone.

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@AC

"And indeed this is the approach being mooted across the EU. Seems sensible to me. If will make it seriously expensive to provide a European service in the way they currently operate."

I do get concerned at ideas like this. We have advanced to a stage where we can freely and for free access communications and information globally with efficient search capability and the expense is what we freely give away without thinking anyway.

Then some money grabbing green eyes demand money and you want to go back to a time before these advancements? I will point out that these advancements have directly benefited the population and provides access to information and networking on a scale only previously available to the wealthy. And we would go backwards for what? Because we cant steal money from those who earned it? When did we fall into a socialist paradise where nobody has anything and we are all equally worthless bar those at the top?

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Re: undeniable suffering

@ disgustedoftunbridgewells

Glad I am not the only one to think that. In my opinion we are still stuck in the centre left labour gov territory. I know Cameron/Osborne moved left to deny the centre to any successor to Labour but it does leave a huge void to be filled (right and less authoritarian).

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Google: This may shock you, but we also banked thousands of dollars to run Russian propaganda

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Re: Erm

@ strum

"Hillary made the mistake of running for political office, with political policies and political expertise on offer - while Trump ran for reality TV host, with no policies - just slogans, no expertise - just attitude."

That again points to the problem. The democrats had one of those too in Bernie. But the republicans let people choose their representative while the democrats dictated their representative even though people didnt support her nor her policies. I doubt the pittance coughed up by the Russians did much. Especially with the onslaught of bad press Trump got (some justified, some that would make snowflakes cry and melt).

When it comes to democracy the republicans did it and the democrats didnt. Hopefully they will learn from this experience but so far they just seem to be making poor excuses as to why Hillary lost instead of why the democrats didnt win.

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Erm

"If Vladimir Putin is using Facebook or Google or Twitter to, in effect, destroy our democracy, the American people should know about it,"

However the success of Trump and the failure of the Democrats was pretty easily picked apart-

Republicans have a 'clown car' of runners (choice), democrats had Hillary and some others (no choice).

Republicans openly fight for the support of the people, Sanders openly fights for the support of the people while the democrats plug Hillary.

Trump wins the republican race and makes enemies of R and D, Sanders is actually noticeable and taking support from the democratic candidate. How dare he! Ignorance of anyone but Hillary isnt working, Sanders pipe down and know your place!

Trump runs for the republicans barely with their support, Hillary is the democrat candidate and Sanders is quashed.

Now reading that very condensed election run is it the Russians trying to destroy democracy? Or is it the Democrats dictating the result then crying when people have other opinions? Hillary might have been chosen in a fair democrat race but instead the democrats dictated her as their candidate and call foul when their candidate didnt win.

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BAE confirms it is slashing 2,000 jobs

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Re: Calling Mr Kim!

@ Commswonk

"You mean like last time there was fighting in Korea? Or for a more recent example think"Vietnam""

I can understand that point but the difference is they had support. Vietnam had the fantastic machinery that was the AK what could be buried, dug up and worked vs US soldiers who's weapons jammed easy. And it being the same kind of warfare as the middle east where everyone is a civilian until one pulls a gun. But the UK and US are unlikely to occupy as China wont have it. As proven in the middle east the UK and US can perform a pretty good steamroller into the country and knock out the actual military.

"Simply decapitating the NK regime in the expectation that that would be enough to ensure instant victory is fantasy."

I dont think that is really what any country apart from China really thinks about (maybe S.Korea?). It seems more an issue of removing their actual threat before it is. After that they can sort themselves out.

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Re: Calling Mr Kim!

@ Miss Lincolnshire

"And after Brexit we can get back to building"

Ha, first a chunk of the population will have to pop their heads back out after predicting the brexocalypse where either the country or the world will fall apart because the UK left the EU. Look at Yet Another Anonymous coward thinking a civil war would be less damaging than brexit. At first I assumed these people were spouting hyperbole but it does seem that some of these people dont realise the world extends beyond the cartel! These people will need time to readjust as they dont have the desire to move to their claimed utopia EU but demand the country be changed around them.

And it will be a shock to the people who nothing more than protesting and dictatorship. They will have to work and figure out how democracy works. I wonder if they will be shouting in defence of N.Korea if it all kicks off or if they dont think about it as its out of the EU.

"Britain is back......................................to the 40s"

There is hope though! With brexit at least we will get to move forward instead of being dragged down and back by the EU. An organisation designed on such an old world and, as demonstrated by their handling of the financial crash, are happy to repeat history.

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Re: Calling Mr Kim!

@ J J Carter

I am not sure that would work. It isnt going to take a great deal to defeat wooden rockets and troops with sub-par kit. The primary problem with hitting the place is the population may not appreciate anyone approaching with authority or force (they live under it daily), S.Korea is friendly and they will likely take damage as the north looks for someone they can actually hit with most of their kit, and of course China who used N.Korea as a pawn but now fears the flood of refugees as people take the opportunity to run.

But if it does kick off with N.Korea we will likely barely be involved (air strikes maybe, probably logistics) while the US and possibly China pound the ill equipped army. The after affects likely being worse than the war as civi's turn out to be terrorists and N.K tries to find its place in the world. A world that has left it so far behind.

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European Commission refers Ireland to court over failure to collect €13bn in tax from Apple

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Re: Race to the bottom

@AC

"No it was triggered because we voted for it."

Be careful pointing out little things like democracy. It doesnt fit with the narrative of why the righteous and pious could possibly lose a vote.

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Re: Deficit

@ Korev

It is the simple concept of not killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. A one off payment which might be used against the deficit but will more likely be syphoned off is not worth taking if the economy suffers the loss of jobs, loss of tax revenue and signals a potential problem to businesses in Ireland. Especially if the EU starts meddling in how the country is run.

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@ corestore

"The EC now says those laws themselves were illegal - laws made by the Irish government, which has sovereign and complete responsibility for the laws in their country"

The mistake there is to think Ireland has sovereignty. They surrendered to the EU, they are now the proud possession of the EU.

"why should Apple pay the price"

The US and EU were negotiating a trade deal which the EU was gagging for. In the fight against freedom the point was made that Obama would put the UK to the back of the queue and the EU liked that. Then Trump not only removed the deal from the EU but may as well slapped them in the face with a wet fish by offering a trade deal to us. The EU is currently attacking US companies. I am not sure if its because the EU economy is so bad they need an evil to distract the populations, the EU finances are so desperately bad they need the money or that it just makes them feel important.

"If the EC can do this to Apple, they can do it to ANY company - big or small. Think it through."

Spot on. The EU is not a fair membership either. Not only is the EU attacking US companies but they also attack their smaller members while letting the larger ones get away with almost anything. Probably why they are bawling their eyes out over brexit and their pathetic bullying not resulting in the goodies they demand.

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US Senate stamps the gas pedal on law to flood America's streets with self-driving cars

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Re: If all thats required.............

@ Gravesender

"Please explain how an unmanned UPS truck would work."

Thats an interesting question. Do you mean the customer facing which requires a meat sack? Or do you mean getting the items across a country to potential pickup points/redistribution centres?

A lot of paperwork is admin to add to a meat sacks misery and tracking. The joy of automation is the ease of tracking and ignorance of misery.

@ bombastic bob

Good points. It will be interesting to see how the future pans out with these devices.

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Re: If all thats required.............

@ Arachnoid

"Is a reduction in accident figures then just make it a 30 mph [or less] speed limit on all roads"

Thats not a good plan. We could reduce things further to walking pace but then you are defeating the concept of road transport. To get stuff (items/meat bags) to places, and in a timely fashion. With emergency services probably needing an opt out of your rule as they have to get somewhere quick, but then the vehicles in front of them are all crawling along at a slow pace.

It will also reduce the distance that is drivable. Dont drive tired will still apply even if the best you can do is travel 30 miles in an hour. It will also destroy a number of specialist businesses, I would think particularly in manufacturing, where technicians have to get to a site somewhere in the country within a reasonable time frame as money is being lost rapidly on a faulty machine.

"removing any miscreants from the road."

No you havnt. This does not take the pedestrian on headphones out of the road, nor the one who crosses in the middle of a busy street. Nor the idiot who wont walk to the crossing but runs across a 6 lane road with a partition in the middle (used to live near that dawin award road). Nor does it remove the cyclists with their habits.

"In doing so Ive increased the employment levels in"

You have also massively reduced employment as the range to travel to work massively falls and the cost of transport reaches excessive cost (everything becomes more expensive).

"Thus enabling the Billions to be reinvested into the economy and jobs rather than unneeded equipment that constantly needs upgrading at great expense."

Let me suggest an alternative scenario. Autonomous vehicles doing the long, dangerous and even currently uneconomical journeys. Even if the person on the street cannot afford one they benefit the massive reduction of transport costs for goods and services. Then consider landmasses like the US, Europe, Asia, etc and even the amazing ideas of linking places like China with the US by road and having a transport system for goods and even maybe a massive improvement to the concept of trains! Imagine a bus/coach service that could automatically get you to your destination.

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DeepMind now has an ethics unit – which may have helped when it ate 1.6m NHS patient details

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Re: How Far Is Progression On AI Doctors

@ Shadmeister

"A few questions from this - why isn't the NHS or another health service designing, implementing, testing developing etc., and AI doctor ?"

The NHS isnt doing it because it wont work if they tried. This is a (dis)organisation that vacuums money for PR so it can just about keep some people believing it is the best health service in the world. Their technological capacity is somewhat amusing if you know someone on the inside (or even try to make an appointment).

And while it might suck for us patients it must suck for the doctors and nurses inflicted with the monster.

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BBC Telly Tax petition given new Parliament debate date

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Re: @ Alt C

"On the contrary not once did I say those who disagree with me were unintelligent"

I had thought this being an IT site it would be populated by reasonably intelligent people instead

My mistake? Maybe I misinterpreted that?

"I relish discussions with those who disagree with me, especially these back and forths we sometimes have"

I am glad to hear. Same here.

"Please don't go down the road of 'oh let's use this example to show bias"

Clear examples which very much held the BBC's bias. Such bias being unquestioning belief in certain renewables and the more questionable climate claims when it was the fashion and a severe incapability to think concerning firearms. Anything can be disproved if we exclude evidence.

"if you wish to see a right wing example of articles being changed on a daily basis or pulled completely without noting any change look at the Daily Mail website for a week."

I really dont want to see a right wing example, nor left. This is concerning what some people still somehow believe to be an impartial news source that should be allowed to charge people who dont use nor even care about their service. I dont read the Daily Mail nor do I care about their views. I dont hold anything against people who read it just as I have no problem with people who read the Guardian. I also accept that to get the full picture we often have to look at multiple sources with their own bias (that we must acknowledge) to get the full picture.

However pointing out the bias of others does not negate the bias of the one we are discussing. I used to like reading the Stephanie Flanders articles and Robert Peston and a few others. And on topics with no major swinging allegiance the BBC can be good at reporting. But when the BBC has a strong cultural bias on the subject it starts spouting like a propaganda site.

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@ Alt C

"Its odd - I had thought this being an IT site it would be populated by reasonably intelligent people instead I see commentards (particulaly on the right for some reason) spouting off about the bias of the BBC."

You thought them intelligent until they disagreed with you. How nice of you. Actually witnessing such bias not good enough for you? My favourite example being the buck that was shot and discarded at the side of the road by some uncaring hunter. The story was vastly rewritten by the end of the day (same article being edited without pointing out the huge changes) to a fully licensed legal shoot with good reason.

My second amusement being the constant articles supporting wind farms and the fantastical figures for a considerable time. Eventually and late to the party the BBC finally wrote a pathetic article just about accepting they dont produce as much energy as quoted.

"unless of course you know your views are so pure and correct anything else is wrong and has nothing to offer you?"

See your argument of assuming people are unintelligent because they disagreed with you.

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@AC

Thats amazing! They leave you alone for 2 years! To be honest I would prefer they act like any other company and dont hassle me for not using their service. I would also prefer they didnt expect to tax me to use someone elses service instead of theirs!

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@AC

Unfortunately that wont happen because the delusion will be shattered. Simply people have to pay the BBC and complain against it. Yet people voluntarily part with money to pay for extra channels (sky/virgin/etc) which come littered with adverts.

That alone demonstrates the desire and value of the extra channels while the BBC forces people to pay it.

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ISIS and Jack Daniel's: One of these things is not like the other

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ha

"This could be because the unnamed Italian man plans to sue whoever wrote the letter for damaging his reputation – libel, in English."

Seriously? You cannot sue people into not doing/saying something stupid. it should be cause of laughter not threats of court action.

"He has refused to remove the flag on the basis that this would just prove his idiotic neighbours right."

Damn right. You cannot sanitise the world enough to stop stupidity.

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Ex-sperm-inate! Sam the sex-droid 'heavily soiled' in randy nerd rampage

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Re: When did the El Reg morph into La Mail?

@ MonkeyNuts.Com

The concerning part of that comment is that I have noticed articles of the reg heading toward the guardian.

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Ha

Rise of the machines or rising because of the machine? If they can actually make these things good enough I wonder how large a shift in the balance of power there will be. I do find it interesting that guys seem ok with using something which is as close to real as possible compared to women who only seem to need a specific part.

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Trump's tax tease will be a massive payday for Valley tech giants and their shareholders

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Re: Proud American

I do hear he is reducing the number of tax bands too. I hope he can simplify the tax system enough to reduce the burden on people. Hopefully people on both political sides can see benefits to this.

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Hmm

"We will impose a one-time low tax on returning money that is already offshore so that it can be brought back home to America where it belongs"

This shows the serious problem in understanding, the US is not where it belongs. It doesnt belong anywhere but where the company deems fit to put it. There is no right to that money for anyone but the company and by falsely assuming the government has some right to it results in 0% tax from that money.

If they would like the money to come back to the country which then works back into the US economy then not punishing people for making money might be a sensible approach.

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Why Uber isn't the poster child for capitalism you wanted

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Re: In this respect it is the perfect poster-boy for Free Market Capitalism

@ Alan Brown

"Robot-infested kitchens in the typical franchisee establishment will likely result in roach infestations due to inadequate site cleaning"

Comparing the cost of a bunch of minimum wage workers vs very few who only need to clean the place sounds a considerable difference. It takes very few cleaning staff to look after a supermarket so how many would be needed to clean a much smaller footprint McDonalds? I imagine there would be saving on building space too as the kitchen probably doesnt need to be as big.

"which poses a real problem for those people who leave university carrying £100k debts and can only find minimum wage jobs."

This seems to confuse the problem, who spent the money? University is considered an investment and all investments carry risk etc, and so on. If people have gone for golf course management and cant find anywhere but cleaning a McDonald burger + bun dispenser then what do you propose? We cant guarantee people jobs, certainly not giving them the kind of money you just mentioned.

Order points are already reducing the staff requirement for many places. Online has made a massive shift from customer service to warehouse worker. The internet has replaced skilled knowledge. It would be harder to replace low wage labour if they stay that way. But with people pushing for unrealistic minimum wages and such the worker is pricing themselves out of the market.

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Re: They invest the money which brings jobs

@ Charles 9

"Except money is RELATIVE. To REALLY compare, you have to measure it against that area's cost of living to see if that wage really is a living wage or not."

Is this a living wage- enough to live on? Or the living wage- made up figure being pushed for by economically illiterate/suicidal?

The interesting issue with relative wage/costs is people dont seem to like it unless it is in their favour. There was an article a while ago on the Guardian which was a good laugh as it complained of ethnic cleansing in London. Its problem being that people who cant afford to live there were being moved to where they could afford (or the tax payer could afford).

The point I was making of our rich country vs actually poor ones is that even adjusting for costs we are unbelievably rich and yet dont seem to realise it.

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Re: They invest the money which brings jobs

@ Charles 9

"That's IF they develop it. If they just let it lie and allow it to appreciate simply out of scarcity"

As I said this is a government problem. The scarcity is due to regulations and interference that makes abundant things scarce. Also what is wrong with them buying assets such as gold, jewellery etc? They get a lump of something which does nothing. It changes in value but the thing doesnt do anything. They do however have to hand over money for it and its maintenance/storage. If they buy land or property they again have to pay maintenance costs for something even if they do nothing with it. That 'asset' can lose value as easy as it gains but the money has already been handed out and even the lowly miner has money to go get more metal that pushes down the value of that he mined before.

"That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. Give or take."

That covers a small population. That small population benefits from falling costs and investment. Those people would be dead, but we are in a country where food is abundant while our capacity to produce food is rubbish. We dont really have natural resources in abundance yet we are one of the richest countries in the world, our minimum wage being enviable to other countries who know real poverty. And of course we strive for better, and should. But better comes from such investment even if it is some rich VC paying for our pleasures. They are the reason we have the lives we have now.

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Re: Erm

@ Alan Brown

"Hundreds of applications from British applicants, most of whom are unqualified for the job or who we find at interview time can't answer questions"

To be honest that doesnt seem to be anything new and I encountered it when I was newly graduated to get tech jobs back in the longest boom ever. It was probably made much worse by all those annoying ads telling people to quit their jobs and go into IT. While I was at uni I met many of the people you talk about who were there because it wasnt a job. I could count on one hand how many wanted to learn and one lad irritated me with his stupidity and constant questions (I felt for the tutors) until I realised he had more interest in the subject than almost everyone else in class. After that I did what I could to help him catch up in technical knowledge.

"There are usually a few applications from outside the UK but they're a lot more thought through as a rule."

I can very well believe that too. I know people who have come here for a better life from the EU. I also know people who struggle to stay here (US and Asia) who almost rely on being a student first to get through the door. I also know others who because they are outside the EU cant come here because they dont want/need to be a student but would struggle to find sponsorship to come on a work visa. To do this stuff they really have to be motivated because the process is so painful.

"The impression of UK applications is that they're shotgunned out with no thought as to suitability and for the lower-skilled positions the applications can run into thousands."

That does not shock me at all and is also my experience. But then that has been the way since early 2000's

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Re: Erm

@ Peter2

"A combination of all of the above? You can't really tell, to be honest."

Thats a shame. I was really interested to know. I know people around the world (and from various parts of the world) who come here for a better life and our really good wages. I was talking with a russian friend who considered a <£20 phone case to be an expensive purchase. Not some novelty thing but a sturdy case to protect the phone, and yet in this country people blow that on cheap and nasty ones without a thought. I do think we underestimate the value of our country and lose perception of how rich it is in this world.

"It would be discriminatory to go asking people questions about how old they are, what their background is etc, so we don't do it."

I very much understand that. Our clients seem to either favour or be very welcoming to foreigners but considering they operate globally I expect it is a benefit to them so potentially favour them (I honestly dont know).

"We should not be happy if VC's want to pay to reduce the cost of taxi rides. They want to do it to force the competition out of business and form a monopoly"

Is this a problem? VC's will eventually run out of money, it is the Saudi problem with oil prices problem. They can pump in as much money as they want to artificially lower the price but when the price rises again (they have the monopoly) it is a contestable monopoly where a rival can restart very easily at the lower price. VC's are losing money to monopolise an industry they cannot fleece. Literally paying for our rides and giving the money away.

"forcing undue hardship on workers both for their companies and their competitors"

This is a 2 parter. Their workers choose to work for Uber to make the money. There are plenty other jobs and if there is such demand for taxi's then even the same job. They dont have to work for Uber and a company can attract workers by being desirable, and the opposite is true too.

Making life hard for their competitors is not necessarily a bad thing. Amazon did it and as a result HMV which had enough power to charge outrageous prices was sunk. Small or disadvantaged sellers have access to a market once only available to the powerful. Another example is food is more varied and cheaper. Yes it disadvantages our home growers but personally I consider spending a small portion of my income on food to be a good thing compared to a considerable chunk of my pay (or practically all back in peasantry days).

As long as laws are being followed I am not particularly for or against any business. In the end what I care about is the customer.

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Re: They invest the money which brings jobs

@ Charles 9

"Depends. Most invest it in idle stuff like real estate"

I can accept that, but then they are not locking the money away, instead it goes to the whole stream of people involved in developing that project (from the top in an office to the tradesman on the ground). I can very well believe they put there money where they hope it will grow in value, we all should be trying to do that surely?

Interestingly if the planning laws were relaxed and development could be done in a reasonable time scale then the rich would likely come out of property, but again the money will be invested somewhere to make a return, and that money/investment to make more value employs people.

"Thing is, the Cost of Living tends to be inflexible for a given area. More people than you know aren't earning enough take-home to cover this; many others are barely over and still need to cover other necessary (and sometimes unexpected) expenses. It's hard to save up when your paycheck is already spoken for."

That covers some people's situation, so what about the vast majority? I am the sole earner in this household on an average salary for 2 people and we have more money than our neighbours who have 2 incomes and forever spending. And this isnt a one off example this is ridiculously normal. While he is not in the UK I do listen to a guy called Dave Ramsey on youtube who walks through these exact same issues in the US. If you can ignore his constant religious references he gives advice on money which I cant believe people need to be told. And it very well mirrors experiences I have with a lot of people I meet or chat with. It is scary how many people have their paycheck spoken for with no thought or reason why.

"I'm back on a keyboard, so now I can respond in detail"

I appreciate the response. It is an interesting topic and hopefully can provide useful for people in difficulty.

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@ DanceMan

"Lowered corporate taxes resulted in companies sitting on cash rather than investing it."

This comes back to my question of where? Do they put it in some vault where it is locked away never to see the light? Unless they remove it from the world (aka stick it in a vault) then they cant sit on cash. If it is in a bank it is invested (the bank lends it out), if they buy stocks/bonds they are investing it, if they buy assets they are spending it. So where is this money?

"They don't spend it all, they save it. That's one of the ways they get rich."

This is an option most people have yet still the number of people I know who spend it all and more amazes me. So many people could be so much more comfortable if they didnt just spend all they had and more, but their interest payments do provide cheap and free bank accounts for the rest of us.

"This is where the race to the bottom gets you, an unstable, dangerous society."

This is true. And people from those societies seek to reach our societies. However some people in our societies seem to desire changes to turn into the more dangerous societies.

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@ Peter2 and Alan Brown

Both of you comment about how you get applications for jobs. I am going to need some context here. Is this UK/british applying? Is this the large portion of EU unemployed? Is this global workers coming for work prospects? Is it new waves of students trying to get a job or older people dealing with an increasing pension age? Is it people looking for a better wage than they were on?

I have no answers to these but it would be interesting to know. I am assuming by entry level jobs they are not minimum wage? Is it a shift in the business sector you are in? Is this a location thing where the part of the country you are in is struggling?

Whatever the situation it really does add weight against the Venezuelan approach (endorsed by Corbyn) and the EU approach (previously endorsed by all major parties). We could be in a much more serious situation and should be happy if VC's wish to pay for our taxi rides, people are willing to work in those conditions and people are willing to use the service.

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@ jason 7

"I think you've drunk too much of the Wall Street Kool Aid."

Do feel free to give some kind of information, evidence, anything of value to add to the discussion then. I read plenty explaining the very stuff I have written. If you disagree there are 2 things you can do- provide a reasoned explanation of why you disagree and what may be wrong with the presented information. Or as you have responded which sounds like you have no actual factual response.

I have no issue discussing if you have the ability to do so. If not dont worry, I am happy to assume that is the best answer you have to an economic discussion.

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@ jason 7

"But what I'm saying is that those at the top want to take away our money and jobs. So how do we buy their products when they have taken the very money we need to buy them?"

How? Are they putting this money in a vault that nobody can access? Are they doing all the jobs to confiscate them? Not at all. They invest the money which brings jobs or they put it in a bank which loans it out to businesses which brings jobs. In fact they splurge it on their wants and desires just like everyone else does and since only people spend money and money only has value to people it must be a person spending and receiving it.

"Wall Street hails the likes of McDonalds for trying to replace serving staff with machines."

With fantastic reason. Minimum wage is a wonderful way of saying that if you dont produce anything of value over a specific amount then what you are doing is not worth doing. That is a truly rich persons statement which is why rich countries have such a situation. Yet the recent demand for more automation has been pushed because of unrealistic demands of the minimum wage being pretty wealthy by world standards and beyond what can be currently be supported with human labour. Basically if people think their time is worth more than the job they are doing either the job goes or they get replaced, previously by a poorer countries population or now by automation.

"But then the consumer economy loses millions of people at the bottom that actually buy those very products."

No. I am personally very happy not to spend my day (from sparrow fart to dark) standing in some bloody muddy field with the driving force being to avoid starvation. The ushering in of tools saved me and 90% of the population from such peasantry. I am also grateful not to be working in a factory. Again automation saved >60% of the population from that! And yet we import vastly more people and yet still have full employment.

"How many Big Macs, Krispy Cremes and Corvettes does Buffet or the Koch Bros buy a year? Not many I'm guessing."

Probably not many, I have no idea. I am guessing they are the kind of people who bought those damned huge bricks which consisted mostly of a battery just so they could make highly expensive phone calls with little reception. That would be the precursor to the little pocket sized device with the capacity of calls, sms and more which can be bought for almost nothing (and often thrown out with such regard) and possibly the more functional smart phone version which is ubiquitous now. Likely on a payment plan or pay as you go which even the 'poor' in this country can afford and as such is now seen as almost a necessity.

"It's slitting your own economic throat. But I guess we all work on short term goals now."

Short term is jumping without thinking. For example demanding a minimum wage vastly higher than sustainable. Or government splurging to buy votes leaving the future to pay for no real gain and probably just a liability. Short termism is barely looking back or even outside our little place on earth to decide what is poor. We have never been so wealthy as a population throughout history! We think little of food or where it comes from (in growing it or its travels), nor of travelling huge distances on a whim, nor the joy of actually having time off and reduced working hours for this greater wage, nor our taken for granted welfare state we demand does more and deserves even more money, nor our capability of communicating with each other over vast distances even across the earth in almost real time!

And so on. There are people in this world who know absolutely nothing of any of that nor even of being employed at all. Only to get on with subsistence living or starve to death. This article is a discussion of taxi companies for god sake! I think we are a long way off apocalypse of the hardships of life.

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@ jason 7

"Thing is, the elites created us a 'consumer society' but how does that work when the consumers eventually have no money to consume?"

When is there nothing to consume? People died of starvation, consumers for food. People desire transport, consumers for the varying incremental improvements and methods of transport. The consumer societies have developed and grown providing new insights, methods and services beyond anything conceivable throughout most of history. We consume music, literature, video, long range communications both audio and visual, transport good (including perishables) across the globe and have moved past basic survival to such a degree that for some people the most important aspect of their life is to be a SJW.

Of course we could throw that away like Venezuela and reject markets, capitalism and the right to make cakes instead of bread (people have actually been arrested because this is a law).

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@ Jason 24

"I think you underestimate how desperate some people are for any sort of work."

Why? We had a recession and people panicked that they would all lose their jobs, some did. We are back to full employment and growth and have been for some time. There are jobs and I am talking about jobs as employees not freelancing for Uber. There are choices and if Uber is so bad people will change jobs.

In countries where employment is less than so good I would agree with you and I am not saying we are booming for jobs either, but to say the situation is so dire these people have no choice at all full stop but to work for Uber as they are the only employer is gonna require some serious convincing.

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@AC

"Just as there are many people who don't care how many babies are killed to make their cheap clothes that they can throw out after wearing once."

Very true. But the equation has 2 sides, customer and worker. if there are customers then there is demand for the workers, but if the conditions are awful people will choose to work somewhere else and the conditions will improve in the developed world.

Your statement about deaths for cheap clothes is also very true but the solution is to actually buy them. While counter intuitive it is that demand which creates more jobs (something poor countries tend to be short of) which dries up the available labour and causes improving conditions. China being a fair example of starving to death under communism and yet after importing jobs that are 'beneath the western world' they became so prosperous that they now farm out those jobs to poorer countries themselves.

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@ thegroucho

"Just try 'uber greyball' in Google or your favorite search engine."

If they are breaking the law then charge them. I am all for that.

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@ notowenwilson

"The threat is that in the time it takes for their VC funders to run out of cash"

And what happens when they run out of cash? Lets imagine a world where Uber undercuts everyone, gets a monopoly and puts everyone (every single one) out of business. The VC's will be expecting their money back, yet this low margin business wont allow them to ramp up the price because any man and his car can do it cheaper.

Most likely the VC's will run out of money before everyone is out of business and find themselves running the same kind of pricing scheme with less benefits than current firms, which will cause the workers to move back. Unless Uber is offering something people want and suitable to the workers.

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@ Lars

"I have no doubt Russian interests meddled in the US election and in France and Germany, but what about the UK. Do people assume Brexit had no Russian help."

It is strange hearing the reds under the bed issue in Europe. I know it was a thing for the US who's primary adversary was the USSR but in Europe it was more the irrational fear of the right because of nazism.

I wonder is this the new excuse to justify a terrible campaign, rigged vote, extreme FUD and including direct threats against the population and yet losing the brexit vote? Are the Russians now the convenient excuse for the EU failing and coming apart?

I have no doubt the EU can inflict harm upon itself. Looking at recent history (as it has only existed fairly recently) it has proven that considerably.

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"Translation: bend the knee to us or we will harm your business with new laws targeting you."

And this is a shock to who? They did this to the bankers and then wonder why they cannot just dictate London moves. They dictate and micromanage and assume people will fall under it. This is fine by us, we are rejoining the rest of the world. Maybe businesses in the EU who would like to remain in Europe but get from under EU rule (and troubles) could be persuaded to move here.

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@ Lord Elpuss

That is an interesting idea I may read more of Kant later if I get the chance. However assuming I am reading it correctly he proposed a different moral system which comes back to his version or view of morality which is not necessarily compatible with anothers morality.

Btw I am not in any way agreeing with the govs actions, I just dont believe in the words moral or fair as they can be used to argue almost anything.

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@ Lord Elpuss

"Morals do exist, and the simplest morals are unequivocal"

I will need such an example. I have never heard yet of one but I am interested if there is one.

"Kant defined the moral imperative as those societal rules which enable society to prosper if adopted by everybody"

What unequivocal moral rules exist in this category? Everyone seems to have their own morals and thats after cultural, regional, country or religion. Some people believe religion give you your morals! Different cultures even if they dont believe in a religion still believe in certain modesty rules including when a woman is ok to speak/interfere! Many perfect societies have been dreamed up if everyone could be forced to be the same but that is of 1 persons morality when everyone has their own.

"respect for human life. If nobody respected human life we would perish as a race"

Are you sure? When human life is cheap and abundant? How much human life has been killed off and even with a moral standing not including war? You think the communists didnt think they were moral as people starved? People trying to save others souls because it is morally right regardless of the religion? Or the morality of protecting your own by removing the lives of those who have no regard for others?

"And your last statement - no it’s not ok. The fact that it happens, doesn’t make it ok."

To somebody. But to others it is moral. Every time someone knocks on my door to save my soul and bring me to christ or on the street to bring me to allah or anywhere even online to tell me my political leaning is immoral to them because I do not agree with their position which may be demonstrated to kill people. Oddly all kinds of things can be morally justified even if it will be bad.

To save the many we need to take away X freedom. Oh no they adapted we must remove Y freedom. Its for our own good of course. There is a reason this is known as the thin end of the wedge. Or the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And some of the scariest ideas have been morally brought about. Some of the worst atrocities. And because it feels moral or can be justified morally people get sucked into it, good people get sucked into it. And they may feel they are right all along, or they may pass a point and realise it is too far. But it was moral and some will still believe it is even if it involves killing people.

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@ Bloodbeastterror

The problem is this isnt just a government problem. Apparently no-platforming is ok now in the UK, I thought this was just a US problem. Rights and freedoms have been removed considerably for a while with labels replacing thought. We have had this teaching of how not to think in schools for a while now and just look at the intolerance and tribalism for brexit or elections with actions being worth less than labels.

Our perception so skewed that we are part of a war on terror. I urge anyone to look up steve hughes war on terror if you want to know why it is so insanely daft. It justifies anything.

What worries me is that it doesnt matter which side of the political spectrum you are on the intolerance of other views is intolerance plain and simple no matter how it is justified. Unfortunately I find pointing this out causes labels of 'far right' by those intolerant of other views.

People are unfortunately coming around to the idea that it is ok to actively support coming after people under certain labels as long as the person agrees that label is intolerable.

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