Re: @ Lysenko
@ Dan 55
"Immigration, customs, the usual thing that all countries or trading blocs in the world do."
Ireland as a whole dont want a border. We dont need to put one in the way if we dont want. This is not difficult. If the EU want to make one thats up to them.
"May banned the UK from access to the SM in the Lancaster House speech, she ruled it out then."
Was that before or after the EU dictated that we are in the EU or out of the EU and SM?
"I believe there has to be agreement on three other items first. How can you decide what kind of trade you're doing if you don't even know what the NI/Ireland border looks like first?"
Of course you do you support the other side who are dictating with no leverage. We are leaving. With no deal they get nothing not even those 3. They wont negotiate until we solve their Irish border demand, agree to give them money so they dont have to reduce spending like a net contributor left, and give them rights we wouldnt grant to any country over citizens in this country. That isnt a negotiation and nobody with a brain would agree to such (would you agree to it for the US, China, india, Africa, or anywhere?).
""If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." - David Davis."
And yet you insist we cannot change our mind and get out of the EU. Even trying to reject the result of a vote over this exact matter.
"We won't be able to change regulations. We can't make our own TV or electrical standards, we'll be tagging on the coat-tails of the rest of the continent. As part of the EU we help set these standards."
What rubbish are you talking? To export it has to meet the target countries standards. Are you telling me we dont trade beyond the EU because you think we need to apply foreign standards here to export to their countries? I cant believe people can be this uninformed.
"It's for the commitments the UK agreed to fund and signed off."
That directly conflicts with your previous statement- "All Brexit was then was a vote to give a lot of money to the EU". As you now agree it is the bill of being in up to a point in the past not the bill to leave. It is a partial cost of staying that will inflate further if we remain. And its legitimacy is in question too.
"Yeah. How do you think the UK will attract inward investment after that?"
Depending on the direction the country takes in its policies very good.
"If you consider a sort of collective national suicide as a way of solving problems, yes."
Again you make a statement based on your assumptions which so far have been shot down in balls of fire. You are the one making up problems, claiming we cant get passed them (not one has yet stood up btw) and insist we must remain. You have a conclusion and will make anything up to reach it. Try the other way.
"Wages are stagnant, zero hours contracts are through the roof, inflation is up, your average millennial doesn't have the money to buy a house, and food bank usage in the UK has never been higher. Glad it's working out for you though."
And you dont seem to understand what is and isnt the EU's fault. All but inflation is because we are still trapped in the EU. Inflation is because finally our currency has come down as the gov and BoE have been trying to do since 2008 to get the country back to working. We are lagging behind because we were trapped in the EU, the EU is years behind recovery, we should be much further on except we are in the EU. The rest of that is because we were trapped in the EU and are still bound by its tariffs.
"That'll be why the ECB is winding up QE next year."
Are you seriously arguing the EU is not years behind recovery? When you say wind up QE what do you mean? They are looking at halving their bond buying. Their interest rates are at 0% and not looking to move. For comparison the US is already unwinding the QE it has already done taking back the money it put in through QE. The UK is looking at raising rates before unwinding the QE it has already done. What you are talking about in 2018 is hopefully to stop increasing QE but to keep the amount the same. So not expanding QE. While the US is already unwinding and heading to normal. The UK is now after the referendum looking to do the same. The EU is still flooding with QE and 0% interest rates and trying to get that inflation you are complaining about further up.
"But when you're in the Brexit suicide cult and are about to drink the kool-aid, I guess you've got a different perspective."
Can you seriously read the above (and please do a little research if you dont believe me) and still think I am the one drinking the kool-aid? Do you honestly believe what you are saying or are you starting to realise you are literally talking nonsense? Not only do you seem to be making up poor excuses for us to remain but you apparently dont even realise the state the EU is in nor understand what is(nt) caused by the EU or brexit, never mind what is or isnt good news.
I dont expect anyone would ever change your opinion but at the very least I hope you look into what you are saying before being so monumentally wrong.