* Posts by codejunky

1690 posts • joined 24 Oct 2011

Google hit with record antitrust fine of €2.4bn by Europe

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Re: Where's the Line?

@ MonkeyCee

"In short no. It's the European Commission, which is one of the institutions of the EU, not the EU as a whole that does this."

Fair point. That is why the US isnt bombing targets in the middle east, only the US military.

"It's also about the only governmental EU institution that is supposed to act in the best interest of Europe as a whole"

If ever we want an argument to leave.

"You'll note that neither the EC or Google argue this point, it is accepted by both sides that Google holds a dominant market position in search"

But dominance is not a problem. It is not a monopoly nor illegal nor wrong. It is also not a problem selling your own stuff and not selling your competitors stuff. However there is now a new crime of combining the two and with no way to avoid it be given a record fine.

"It doesn't matter what the product is, the using of your market dominant position for anti-competitive purposes is"

True except it isnt anticompetitive. Google may be the largest but there are many alternatives in a very open market. When Tesco was market leader should it be given record fines for not selling lidl stuff? Hell no.

"then they have to ensure their actions are not abusing the position"

This would be interesting to prove as they can plug their own stuff or be popular but not both it seems. They are not stopping the competition and can easily be replaced or not used. As someone has already commented this basically means Google cannot add new features as it is bound to infringe someone elses market.

"Google doesn't stop providing any of it's services, it doesn't get a monopoly taken away from it, it just stops promoting/demoting search results for shopping comparison sites"

And here is the problem. You said monopoly which is easily if mistakenly interpreted from market dominance except Google doesnt have a monopoly. It is the most popular but if it falls out of favour can be usurped by any of many others.

"It agrees that it done bad, pays a fine, and stops doing it"

Good for Google they dont seem to be going that way, "We respectfully disagree with the conclusions announced today. We will review the Commission’s decision in detail as we consider an appeal, and we look forward to continuing to make our case.”

I spotted Tims article to this after my first comment-

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/06/27/against-natural-justice-eu-commission-fines-google-e2-42-billion-over-antitrust/#480fc48b35eb

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Re: Where's the Line?

@AC

I think the question should be has the EU crossed the line and how will they recover from it? The EU are charging a private business for selling its own products instead of its competitors. They are doing it because they have now only just decided that Google has market dominance and that plugging their own stuff in combination with market dominance is against the law. That sounds like the EU is making stuff up to fine Google arbitrarily.

Interestingly there doesnt seem to even be a solution to the problem, only that Google must provide a solution and then be monitored for compliance. The more I read about this the more it seems the EU is fining Google and then making up reasons to do so. How can Google have complied with a law that wasnt a law until they were fined for it?

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Assuming I am reading this right (and I hope I am not), google (a private business) is being fined because it shows its own products on its own website when people choose to use its search feature? Is that seriously what is being complained about?

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Northern Ireland bags £150m for broadband pipes in £1bn Tory bribe

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@ Martin

"Of course, if I were bribed for my vote, it would be considered to be illegal."

No it isnt. Governments bribe you every election with promises of how they will spend other peoples money on you. Every election is based on 'whats in it for me' mentality with bribes for the young, old, working class, middle class, pensioners, etc.

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Conservative manifesto disappears offline – then mysteriously reappears

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Re: "According to "Mogg" you cannot call it a shambles, that is something totally different."

Maybe May isnt such a brexit idiot-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/brexit-may-blocked-unilateral-offer-for-eu-citizens-rights-last-june

It is claimed she is the only one who stopped that spineless moron Cameron from unilaterally protecting EU citizens rights in this country. If that is true then she has at least done that right.

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Re: "According to "Mogg" you cannot call it a shambles, that is something totally different."

@ John Smith 19

"keep May in the job till after Brexit, and then blame all failures on her"

Not a bad plan. Failing to brexit or a half brexit should certainly be blamed on someone and its not like its too difficult. As our negotiations have already won the rights of EU and Brits rights to be in their preferred country. Not that it is reported that way but the EU refused and our negotiators wouldnt grant unilateral rights no matter how dumb idiots insisted we should.

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Re: @ Triggerfish

"the conservatives have been just as responsible for building the debt pile as Labour."

Of course. I have seen a few that seem to legitimately slam the conservatives and combined the parties left us begging to the IMF at one point (although labour tend to get slammed more for it because it was the unions holding the country to ransom). I just really didnt like the selectivity of that link when I am certain real evidence is available.

"However I would also say my point if badly shown was that to say labour have been the only ones spending and putting us in debt, whilst the conservatives have been wonderfully fiscally responsible and taking us out of debt is a bit of a misnomer."

When Osborne made his claims to end the deficit I couldnt believe the insanity. It restricted what he could do if the need arose (and things were hairy for a while). Then their move to the centre left to block labour from returning showed that politics was worth more to them than the voters. As much as people dont like austerity it has been shown that we have not had austerity but also it doesnt seem to have caused any real harm to the economy nor been better than cash splurging.

"Question would this stand better? Admittedly from a blog and could be biased."

I expect it is but that is one of the articles I was thinking about. Another does a similar thing in graph form. Nice one finding that source I lost them ages ago.

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@ Triggerfish

"https://fullfact.org/economy/labour-and-conservative-records-national-debt/"

Wow that link is awful. The worst debt situation without a world war yet that is glossed over as this isnt the highest debt we have had. And then for sick amusement ignoring the huge upward jump (in most of the graphs) which starts from the global recession and then blames the tories. I aint a fan of the tories but that is the level of propaganda I expect from momentum/socialists.

Amusing that site considers itself a fact site. I guess it has provided some facts but very selectively.

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@ Rich 11

"when someone doesn't have an economic argument against borrowing to invest, or against recognising the need to fund health and education properly"

Doesnt investment assume return? In that case our schools and NHS can start the glorious returns from labours massive money splurge on them. As I point out to anyone who thinks just pissing money without a plan is a good idea, splurging during a boom and borrowing to do the kind of investment you are talking about has left us in this situation. We had nothing left for when the recession hit, we were caught out because Brown had got rid of boom and bust.

Now the NHS and education and everyone else wants the same levels of funding but also pay increases as when we were in the middle of the biggest modern times boom + borrowing even more. Even after a prolonged recession and global slowdown.

"Much better to lower taxes for the wealthy right this minute rather than invest in long-term plans that will benefit everyone."

The people who employ us? 'I have never been employed by a poor man' is a quote from I think a window cleaner arguing against punitive tax increases on the 'rich'.

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@AC

Youd dint get the little red book?

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US voter info stored on wide-open cloud box, thanks to bungling Republican contractor

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Re: "Extremists"

@ Rattus Rattus

"If you were referring to Bernie Sanders, I should remind you that his views were actually pretty centrist. In fact he could have been any NuLabour candidate, and he wouldn't have been too far out of place even among the Tories."

I was referring to Bernie (as I was referring to only the democrats) who in the US where he was trying to get elected is an extremist. That doesnt mean he is evil or that you must disagree with him, but he was certainly an extremist. His views were entirely different to how the US has and does work. There is nothing wrong with being an extremist politically and it can add to the debate. And we all know Bernie and Corbyn were added to their respected parties 'electables' to make the preferred candidates look better.

The reason you give for claiming he is centrist is because you compare him to labour and tories who are in the UK not the US. You might as well compare him to China's leadership, Russia or N Korea or any country in the world. It doesnt matter, he was running in the US and his views were pretty extreme.

If we want to look at the Republicans I was a fan of Rand Paul who was extremist as he was a libertarian while everyone else on both parties was authoritarian.

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Re: Hillary

@ Bucky 2

"They have to continue hating Clinton. If they stop, they would have to accept that Clinton would have been better for the nation"

Thats a large leap. The republicans were mocked for offering a 'clown car' of candidates while the democrats dictated Hillary would win and anyone not voting the way they dictate must be *insert insults*. I dont care how good anyone thinks a candidate is that is not how an election should be run. Hopefully next election the democrats will offer choice instead of an extremist (to make Hillary look normal), Hillary and 3 seat fillers.

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'OK, everyone. Stop typing, this software is DONE,' said no one ever

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Re: I cannot agree more.

Firefox. I miss the old reliable with low memory use, fast, responsive and looked like firefox. Still use it but still miss the older versions.

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Brexploitation! PC price wars? Yep. Vendors see who can go higher

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@ Hans 1

"Won't happen, in 5 years, you will switch to the Euro."

Why on earth would we want to do that? The reason we didnt get stuffed like Greece is because we have our own currency. I do worry about the people who still think we should join the Euro. A currency that probably wont exist for too much longer*.

*I am aware this claim has been made before. Mostly before people realised the EU would sacrifice countries before accepting the failure of its currency.

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From landslide to buried alive: Why 2017 election forecasts weren't wrong

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Re: @ anonymous boring coward

"What?

Aren't you thinking of the various small villages around England now?"

I think you need to look into what your promoting here. I am talking about your utopia you want us to become, not us as we are.

"As is suicide in some peoples' views. Not much point in discussing if you come from that angle. If you get it, do enjoy. Perhaps you get to enjoy Bumbling BoJo as well."

Interesting. So you see Brexit as a bad thing, I see staying in the EU as a bad thing. I am willing to discuss and have my views challenged with reason and fact, you dont see any point in discussing. Why you somehow think I enjoy BoJo is beyond me but I assume you equate brexit with liking the guy?

Maybe you should debate more with people of other opinions. Then you may jump to less conclusions and learn something. Or at least understand another perspective.

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Re: @ anonymous boring coward

"Do you have any idea how far to the right the Tories are"

Yes. Under Cameron they were centre left authoritarian (intentionally to deny labour returning to the centre ground). Under May they lurched centre right authoritarian.

"vs, for example, Scandinavian countries?"

You mean the countries which have until recently been homogeneous and is now starting to deal with open racism? The place where referendums and local taxation for local use instead of our authoritarian central model? The places which tried a socialist model, then retreated a fair amount when they realised it doesnt work, and still contends with the serious difficulties of lower growth, underperformance, greater privatisation of public services including health, etc? Sorry you were making a point...

"A few years of course correction won't hurt."

Your right. How long do you think it would take to destroy success and make it a failure? How long of economic incompetence (we are not discussing becoming Scandinavian but instead Venezuelan) will it take to drag us all down? And if a few years wont hurt then you surely cant be complaining of the few years of lib/tory coalition, or Cameron centre left, or May lurch right? Or are you of the correct opinion that stupidity can penalise us quickly? And if so aiming for the rocks with Corbyn's proven idiocy will hurt.

"A hard Brexit with May the OCD (strong and stable) PM will hurt many times more."

This part I wont necessarily contest to much. Hard brexit is a great thing in my view. But since May could be shafted into a soft or no brexit then we could easily suffer badly. And of course May wouldnt be my choice for leading the country once free of the EU.

Just to ask you- have you any idea how far left we have moved? How severely and damagingly stupidly left (beyond the good of the left) we have gone? And worst of all it has been authoritarian left. And how bad has it been? Well so many people are moaning about the country and its debts, migration issues, incompetence of government, etc. Where discrimination is not only acceptable but promoted. Where nationalism is globalism and globalism is nationalism. Where we want poor countries to be better off but lock them out of such help because we want to protect our privileges. Where skin colour and sex is the reason to get a job instead of competence.

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Re: So when will the politicians learn?

@ whileI'mhere

"I guess Jeremy Corbyn is not a politician, then."

The same Corbyn who would never push the nuclear button and is totally against Trident. Right up until the unions complained. Then he wanted to build the subs but not load them with nukes.

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Re: @ anonymous boring coward

@ anonymous boring coward

"You are comparing some dictator"..."with one of the worlds oldest democracies"

Nope. I am comparing economic stupidity with the same economic stupidity. Centralising control to bring about a socialist vision where the real world and the utopia dream do not meet. It doesnt matter how they reach the bad idea, only that its the same bad ideas. Unfortunately the Tories suggested a stupid idea of their own on energy price caps. Anyone can have a bad idea, its the constant repeating of the same bad ideas that irritates.

I am also certain the Venezuelans didnt see it happening there. Nor everywhere else it is tried over and over.

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@ anonymous boring coward

"Sure, Corbyn sometimes sounds like some Chavez Light, but given the systems in place in the UK there is no risk of an actual Venezuela situation."

Really? Venezuela a middle income country with oil being boned by a lack of economic competence. Corbyn and his clan at one point discussing printing money for the gov to spend unlike QE which can be rolled back. Corbyn who wants to nationalise everything. Corbyn who thinks he knows how people should spend their own money better than them so would steal it to fund a labour spending spree.

It is very dangerous to put such a clueless nutter in charge and think he cant drag us back to a ruined country.

"A mild course correction towards the Scandinavian model is about as extreme as it will ever get here."

Except that isnt on offer. Instead of more referendums, local power (not central gov), local taxation for local spending, homogeneous population and accepting that the socialist model doesnt work in a vacuum but through free market.

Last time this country tried to please socialists it was begging to the IMF and barely working. That does not sound like success nor something I would want to live through.

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Re: "I do dislike this form of voting. "

@ John Smith 19

"The odds on bet is you won't make a difference"

I voted UKIP and we not only got a referendum but also a vote to leave. I do agree that under a more representative system UKIP would have had much more direct influence over how. I seriously agree with people who dont vote dont really have much right to complain, if they cannot be bothered being heard then why should anyone listen.

"This might sound a bit like the US Presidential system where people voted Trump as "The lesser evil.""

I do dislike the idea of voting against Hillary but I can see a good reason voting for Trump (and once my favoured candidate dropped out I thought Trump would be a good idea) because he isnt either of the parties. To me Trump and Sanders were the same extreme and bluster but at the opposite extremes. I wanted Trump to win, not because I thought he would be any good, but because it will hopefully force US politicians and parties to improve.

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Re: "I believed our local labour candidate would be a better MP "

@ John Smith 19

"beyond voting the runner up to keep someone out"

I do dislike this form of voting. The only certainty of the outcome is someone winning that neither of you want. If people would vote for who they want then at least they can be happy if they win and accepting if they lose. If someone votes for someone they dont want to keep out someone they dont want then they are firstly a protest vote and secondly unhappy regardless of the result.

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Re: Hmm

@ Naselus

"I did notice the entire Tory party trying to smear just about all of the Labour leadership as stupid, naive, pacifist, weak terrorists though."

Absolutely and thats what we expect from politicians. And the people on the ground backing up 'their' party and trying to convince the others of being wrong. But instead of that last part there was a lot of people who seemed to be so fragile in their views that they couldnt allow themselves to listen or even be around someone of a different view. I found it sad because a lack of ability to discuss their position showed how fragile it was. And they had no problem pushing their constant stream of propaganda as long as it wasnt questioned.

I dont care what party anyone supports, at that point it is fanaticism.

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Re: First Past the Post

@AC

"The mess was caused by the banks, the same banks the Tories wanted to reduce regulation on prior to 2008"

The global financial crisis was due to the banks. The financial position of the country with its lavish overspending during a boom is not the fault of the banks.

"The economy was starting to grow by 2010, at a faster rate than under the Tories."

Easy to do until the credit dries up. Until the bill is called it is easy to live beyond your means. Brown did that through a boom and thought he had defied economics that there would be no bust.

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Hmm

But who would tell the truth anyway? Having a view that differs from the 'accepted' is so unforgivable and unacceptable that they cannot stand any other view. Then people complain about shy tories or shy corbyn/labour.

Another thing that bugged me was the number of idiots posting on social media how people with differing views need to remove them for being so intolerant (the irony seemed lost). So I did and dropped a few people, all of them the peace and love labour/remain voter. I dont care what they vote nor their political views yet they cannot even tolerate people with different opinions.

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Record number of non-EU techies coming to Blighty

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Re: Brexit means what ?

@ Hans 1

"Hard Brexit -> UK economy collapses"

Always so negative. Nobody with any respectability is saying that. Hard brexit simply means we could be better or worse off entirely dependent on government policies. The simple act of leaving the EU completely actually puts us in a perfectly fine position.

"Soft Brext -> you pay, no say (like the Norwegians)"

Now that is the bad option. Still in the EU. That would suck and drag us down terribly.

"I said so 1 year ago, The World Won't Listen ? Bad news, reality has caught up!"

We havnt left yet. We are still in the EU, it is still fighting off deflation as well as its many persistent problems and we are still bound by its cartel rules.

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Re: Bah!

@ Stevie

"But I thought Brexit was all about keeping out Johnny Foreigner."

Unfortunately some people were under that misunderstanding. Some of them xenophobes, a lot of them supported remain. Those who understood the objective of leaving the EU was to be global trading and global in our interactions.

A similar misunderstanding is that being within the borders of the EU to protect ourselves from the world (or even the US) is somehow global while exiting the EU and interacting with the world is nationalistic.

It is concerning to read that some people are adamant that white is black and black is white.

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Re: How many are from India?

@ Down not across

"Wouldn't taking skilled workers from EU (and arranging a visa, should one be needed post-Brexit) work just as well?"

Sure. That is a good argument not to show favouritism to the EU as getting the skills from anywhere applicable in the world works just as well.

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Labour says it will vote against DUP's proposed TV Licence reforms

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@ Patrician

"But you *do* pay for it, every advert on commercial TV has to be paid for by somebody, normally the end users of the product being advertised."

This is a statement I absolutely hate being trotted out because it shows a huge lack of understanding. If you buy a product you choose to buy that product, you choose to pay for it, it is your choice to buy it, you choose to part with the money. Now imagine a 'ford' tax where everyone pays more for any other car but those who buy ford get subsidised. There is no choice, you do not choose to buy that product, you do not choose to pay for that product, you are forced to buy a rival product you do not want.

You can choose not to buy the advertised product and even buy a rival product. You cannot buy sky tv but not pay the TV tax.

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Re: I Think We Need The BBC

@ Paul 195

"Except in practice, the number of people in the UK who never watch the BBC, never listen to BBC radio, and never use the BBC website is probably a lot closer to zero than the number of people who whine about the license fee. And I suspect the majority of people who complain about the license fee are perfectly well able to afford it, they just have an ideological objection."

I think that is a fantastic argument. And to prove your point how about letting the people who use the BBC pay for it and those who dont dont? That would surely make everyone happy and show people how much they rely on the BBC (or more likely how few people bother with it).

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Oh snap! Election's made Brexit uncertainty worse for biz, says BT CEO

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Re: Latest El Reg Brexit opinion poll

@ Charlie Clark

"Inflation was above target for most of the recession as I pointed out in response to your original post. Having been shown to be wrong in your initial claim you proceed to change tack."

Change what tack? Low rates are a stimulus to try and produce inflation. Rising inflation is controlled by raising rates. Core inflation is the figure that matters otherwise your are measuring noise. Since core inflation is not blazing and the situation has only been improving since the brexit vote then there couldnt be rate increases because the inflation wasnt there to back it.

"The BoE doesn't want to raise rates, it is using expansive monetary policy to engage in "financial repression" to inflate government debt away."

Bang on! As I said low rates to stimulate inflation. Unfortunately since 2008 until the referendum vote core inflation was stuck low and only because the rate fell and QE. Get that inflation up and the rates can go back up which will please the BoE as they will have room to lower rates for the next recession. And yes the aim is inflation to inflate debt away and why the EU is still filling its pants in fear of deflation there.

"People have been protesting about falling standards of living for years"

Yup. People were happy with the endless overspending during the huge boom and then upset when the credit dries up but also having even less due to the bill that has been racked up. The funny thing is people demand stimulus in the recessions but refuse to prepare during the good times.

"I contend that this was why many people voted to leave in last year's referendum"

There is good news that once out of the EU it is down to our own government as to how well the country does. We will be in a better position out of the EU and even the signal of leaving has improved some of the problems we had been having.

"Which is another reason why referendums are bloody stupid things."

Well the 100% cause was the failure of the main parties to take the population seriously. Over and over offering a choice to get away from the EU but each time changing their mind. Which is why UKIP became a legitimate threat to the main parties and the Tories had little choice. Must admit I would have preferred UKIP to have been elected as they were the ones with the plan to leave the EU with none of this messing about.

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@ John Smith 19

"The UK is in the process of leaving the EU.

It has not actually left. That happens in 22 months."

Yup. We have not even left and they are begging us not to go. The good news is they seem to be accepting we want out even if they are desperate to change our minds.

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Re: Latest El Reg Brexit opinion poll

@ Charlie Clark

"Ahem, inflation was well-ahead of target for years which is one of the reasons why most people have seen a decline in their standard of living since 2008 and one of the main reasons for understandable protest."

Its almost like something happened. Like a recession. And after the noise of a correction (where the living beyond our means is corrected) we want greater core inflation because then the BoE can raise its rates. Because unfortunately the base rate is abnormally low and would struggle to be lowered when the next recession hits (at any time now).

Those people are protesting too late. They should have been protesting during the spending and demanding restraint. Instead they complain now they get the bill for all that overspending. Tough. What about the rest of us who opposed the overspend? We still have to pay the bill too.

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Re: The gargoyle’s mouth is a loudspeaker

@ Brewster's Angle Grinder

"All we want is the upsides we currently have with none of the downsides"

I keep hearing this and not from the leavers. Is this the new position of the remain goal line or something? Leave was based on the basis that no deal is an improvement on being in the EU. Funny enough this lines up perfectly with the worst case position of the EU so if the talks fail we win anyway. Of course that does not rule out a trade deal if they are interested but if they 'want to punish us' then we can walk away no trouble and no hard feelings.

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Re: Latest El Reg Brexit opinion poll

@ Pen-y-gors

"Does this reflect (as that 'nice' Mr Heseltine has recently suggested), that public opinion is now swinging strongly against the whole daft idea?"

That is a tough call. Even against all the facts people assumed remain would win the referendum. It was only when the polls started to wobble a little that the remain campaign kicked off with its propaganda efforts. And interestingly even long after the result the ridiculous propaganda efforts continue. Look at the recent news crying about inflation. Something the BoE and gov have been trying to get up since 2008! Something we need to rise so the base rate can rise and prepare us for the next recession.

I am amused that the German finance minister is again saying we can change our minds and they will let us come back. The desperation of the EU to avoid brexit is obvious and telling but the worrying part is the stupidly wrong arguments repeated to just ditch democracy by people here thinking they know best. I expect a lot of them to be the arrogant fools who wanted to adopt the Euro here and called everyone else eurosceptics. A word that vanished quickly when we were proved right.

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@ smartypants

"So we're a year down the line, and *STILL* Nobody in either Labour or the Conservatives can agree on what the hell this Brexit thing is about and what to ask for at the negotiations."

To be fair nobody could agree what remaining in the EU is or was either. An entire history had to be rewritten and the aims of the gov/BoE had to be entirely rewritten/re-framed to make the remain cause. The EU was some wonderful capitalist hope, a socialist wet dream, a trade utopia and the defence against the rest of the world. The sacrificing of Greece had to be re-framed as their fault and the EU being a saviour and it was simultaneously going to be the loose collection of countries with no further integration and a federalising superstate to challenge the world.

At least by the end of the campaigning the remain view settled on the EU being a steaming turd but we should remain to reform it into *again insert the many contradicting views*.

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Watch out Facebook, Google – the EU wants easy access to your data

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Re: Brexit

@ Doctor Syntax

"Ignoring the fact that our PM has been keen to do this since her Home Sec days which is why we have Brexit in the first place."

We have brexit due to a democratic if heavily rigged vote. But I dont just blame May for this increasing authoritarianism, labour before her did the same and of all parties the lib dems are marginally less authoritarian (excluding their desire to abandon democracy by ignoring the democratic vote) while UKIP (previous election) were much more libertarian.

Looking through the available parties we dont have much choice, they all want to take our freedom away.

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Re: Brexit

@AC

"Does anyone actually believe that the EU will allow trade without following and adhering to their regulations and rules?"

Do we care? Anyone exporting with any country has to meet the criteria of that country in its exports even with the EU. However being in the EU unfortunately means we are bound locally by the EU's standards while getting out doesnt stop us exporting to the EU, but frees us up in this country at the same time.

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Re: Brexit

@ fishman

"It just gives Brexit fans another reason to leave the EU."

Sort of but not quite. Unfortunately we have people here who want to do the same things. But it does remove another attempt of remain fans to claim the EU is better.

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Re: Who Cares about the NHS ?

@ Hans 1

"Brexit means you are fucked"

Again with the cheery anti brit comments. And while the EU is still having severe financial trouble (desperate to get some inflation).

"the only problem is, Brexit means Brexit, no more migrants, ageing population, international businesses to leave ... you are fucked."

Eh? Last I checked the EU was only part of the world and not the whole world. And if people in the EU are too xenophobic to come here after brexit that is their problem but I dont believe they are. And you keep thinking businesses will flee the country which makes no sense at all.

"The fact that May's intention is to create a police state is another problem entirely"

Now this is about the only thing in your comment that is legitimate. In fact this is quite a serious problem but has diddly to do with brexit.

"you have a chance abroad ... leave you must"

Feel free to go. If people want to go they are free to and if we can go back to a sensible developed world border control there can be fair immigration opportunities for people worldwide. I am hopeful the EU are only being temporarily childish as they refuse to guarantee the rights of brits in the EU (May already stated we want a reciprocal agreement on this). But there are many other places in the world than the EU if they hate brits that much.

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Re: Real world underfunding

@AC

"So when exactly will the promised financial benefits be forthcoming?"

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"Farmers are asking the same question about their continuing subsidies."

Now why would farmers be thinking about subsidies if we leave? Would it be related to the EU being more expensive than the world so requiring subsidy? And without the subsidy the cheaper products are a benefit to??? Everyone!

I just hope May doesnt screw this up. A good Brexit would have been assured if UKIP won last time.

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@Zog_but_not_the_first

"then what is it for?"

Health

Education

Welfare

Law

Borders

Foreign aid/expenses (e.g. diplomatic, EU fee, etc)

Infrastructure projects

and many more

Plus-

Toys (millennium dome, olympics, etc)

Bribing voters with more welfare

Increased anti-terrorism/surveillance authoritarianism

Hot topic of the day wastes of money (green bollocks, smart meters, etc)

Add the waste of budgets where you must spend all of it to claim the same or more next time leading to it being splurged on anything at the end of the budget year, jobsworths and other parasitical activities and the money vanishes very quickly.

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@ Gezza

Thanks for posting that. It is nice to see the remain stick being taken off them and hitting them back.

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@ Doctor Syntax

Second that. Regardless of the result there was no winning for the country. Hopefully this will shake the lot up into providing viable options. Possibly for a soonish rerun.

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UK PM Theresa May's response to terror attacks 'shortsighted'

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@ Brangdon

"LibDems do accept Brexit is going to happen."

Really? Last I checked their whole argument to be elected is to stop brexit. If thats not the case then someone needs to tell their supporters.

"They think we should read the fine print before signing the contract, is all."

A contract for not being in the club and not being subject to the EU and its rules. The lib dems (and even labour) cant seem to grasp the concept of a full brexit and if they cant accept no deal as a possibility they cannot negotiate.

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@ David Nash

"It's about wanting the NHS in its true public form"

Unfortunately this causes a massive problem of what its true form is. A massive religion opposed to change of any form bar more money has left us with the current system. Free at the point of use seems to be what people want except they then want input on how that is to be delivered.

The problem seems to be that people want good quality, cheap and quick. Oh and nothing private, more doctors, more nurses, more hospitals, more drugs, more expensive drugs, extra cash for speciality drugs not offered because of a lack of cost/benefit, etc.

I do feel bad that the NHS is going to fall under its own weight and to a point its success (people live longer). But the best healthcare system in the world is not copied elsewhere and only really boasts about free at the point of use. And its supporters boast it is better than the US as if the US is the entire developed world.

I think the first part of any solution is to recognise the problem and be honest about it. I hope we look to solve it before the health service crashes and burns.

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@ BarryUK

Labour is a brexit alternative? I dont think labour know what labour is apart from economic suicide. Didnt they suggest a vote on the outcome of the negotiations? Thereby making negotiation irrelevant. Apart from Tories the only other party accepting brexit is UKIP and while I had high hopes for them last GE this time they seem to be a bit chaotic.

Apart from that as you point out there is a denial of democracy even from the self named liberal democrats. As for getting involved in politics do you think I have time or money to create from scratch a political party to see through brexit and see tot he national interests in security, economy, etc? And since this is a national problem not a local one that is the scale we are talking.

@ Suricou Raven

"Leave won the referendum by a 2% margin. That's barely a win. Such a close vote would suggest the country wants out of the EU, but should still maintain some level of close ties - perhaps purely economic rather than political."

Just a little highlighting to state the point. And the referendum was a simple in or out vote, not a 60 shades of interpretation. You might interpret it that way but thats just you. Both remain and leave had various different ideas of what winning ment for them but the question was a simple one. Presented by the remain camp and a rigged vote in favour of the remain camp.

"It was May and the Conservative party who decided that 52% means to abandoned Europe entirely, rule out from day one any chance of close economic union, and burn any bridges leading back."

Actually it was the EU who decided it was entirety in or out. It is the EU who are breaking their own negotiating rules by demanding parts of the negotiation must be completed before the rest (the bill and 4 'freedoms' rubbish). It is the EU talking about punishing anyone who dare choose to leave the group. Hopefully may will have the spine to take no deal instead of a bad one.

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Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron

Accept brexit is going to happen, accept democracy you stupid democrat and you may be electable. Fgs give us alternatives to the Tories and you might get votes. Otherwise May can continue with the authoritarian approach without opposition.

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Obama's intel chief says Russia totally tried to swing it for Trump

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erm

Possibly. But it is also seriously possible that the democrats and mainstream republicans just didnt appeal. The problem is Trump is accused of anything and everything with a negative spin put on everything to the point that people seem to be numb to it. Constantly crying wolf over nothings doesnt help any case against him. Whatever the facts some people will still believe it was the Russians because the alternative seems to unthinkable to them.

I dont understand why Trump gets attacked so much over nothings. This guy does plenty that can be legitimately opposed yet people still mock him for the colour of his skin and his hair.

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UK PM May's response to London terror attack: Time to 'regulate' internet companies

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Lovely

I am not sure who I dislike most, May or all the other parties. I had real hopes that the other parties would step up and offer a real alternative to the tories (to be honest I accepted labour would remain a dead duck) and yet May seems to be trying to lose an election and there is nobody to oppose.

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@ Florida1920

"But I find it hard to believe corporations would invest the billions of dollars these farms cost if they weren't efficient"

The corporations dont do it for the efficiency, they do it for the money. If efficiency was to increase their profits then they will do it for efficiency. Except that only works in market conditions. If the gov is dishing out money to people to make and run these things with no regard for them working efficiently or with any good reason then the company will still build them.

This is an amusing problem for Germany who now not only gives subsidy to 'Green energy' but also pays subsidy to fossil fuel plants to keep them open or the lights would certainly go out. Unfortunately the monuments to the sky dont work on a large scale. That is why it is reportable news when for an hour of its existence it produces some electricity. Maybe because of a storm (here in the UK).

"Oh, and I've seen huge solar installations, too"

Solar is different. In the right places and built correctly it works. Yet again governments have subsidised it and here in the UK we had a massive mis-selling problem because the installer got paid by the customer and gov for something that was pointless and in some cases not even installed correctly. Then the huge outcry when the subsidies were to be removed because then installation companies would fall. They required the gov money to stay in business, not because they sold a good product.

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