* Posts by mathew42

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Australia won't prescribe its national broadband network a high-fibre diet

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When you look at how the core Labor policy of a national network with speed tiers with the lowest speed pricing equivalent to ADSL pricing, the LNP changes haven't impacted that much.

Surprisingly the reduction of CVC from Labor's $20 to $8 which is the cheapest Labor expected doesn't get much press.

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FTTP doesn't help 84% on 25Mbps or slower

The committee's recommendations don't address the more basic issues of

  • 84% connecting at 25Mbps or slower (ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report) that has been caused by Labor's speed tiers.
  • RSPs selling unlimited plans with insufficient CVC causing peak period congestion
Switching to FTTP will only benefit the <1% that Labor optimistically predicted in the NBNCo Corporate Plan would connect at 1Gbps in 2026.

The public have overwhelmingly determined that they prefer a cheap 25Mbps unlimited data plan to faster plans with a quota. A few quality RSPs only sell plans with quotas and customers don't experience congestion. For those on FTTN who want 100Mbps, the technology change process exists.

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OK, Google: Why does Chromecast clobber Wi-Fi connections?

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You are using the device incorrectly. All devices should be on at all times to accumulate information and help the cloud become smarter.

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Router code is just as crap

Router coding doesn't seem significantly better when a flood of packets will fill up the router's memory and require a physical report.

In summary, any (malicious) code on the network with access to generate UDP packets can cause most routers to lock-up.

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Amazon: Intel Meltdown patch will slow down your AWS EC2 server

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Re: maybe it's time to re-consider server-side inefficiency

Hear. Hear!

I've spent the last week looking at some horrible SQL stored procedures with needless outer joins, excessive use of views, temporary and updating individual fields in the temporary tables. Unfortunately I don't have the original requirements and I'm doubtful that the code was bug free. I'm not looking forward to UAT.

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TPG joins the NBN speed-fail refund club

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The variability of the copper is a good argument for the removal of speed tiers on FTTN, and to simply charge everyone the 12Mbps wholesale speed.

The arguments in parliament about why FTTN average speed of 68Mbps is significantly higher than FTTP with speed tiers would make for some very interesting watching.

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nbn™tries to ease peak hour crunch with cheaper bundles

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What is to stop an RSP buying the cheaper bundled 100Mbps product for the ~14% connected at 100Mbps and reducing their CVC spend for 12 & 25Mbps plans?

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Re: 12 Mbps for $22 per month.?

It would be interesting to see the cost breakdown for your service. 100Mbps AVC wholesale price is $38 + GST, so most likely you are sharing a connection. Let Lets assume that 100 units are connected that is $3000 / month + GST in revenue. Lets assume a small business plan with a premium ISP like Aussie Broadband is $195. That is a significant gap between what you are being charged and the cost of the service. Now it may not be unreasonable when you consider the cost of connecting each unit and ongoing maintenance.

So your contention ratio is 150:1. The fact your worst recorded speed is 28Mbps is remarkable. I suggest not mentioning video streaming to your neighbours because that speed could plummet rapidly.

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> The CVC pricing bears no relation to the network cost of providing the transmission that represents

It costs the same to deliver a 12Mbps speed and a 1Gbps speed connection. What the above statement misses is the need to upgrade backhaul (including routers & switches) to cope with increased traffic.

The pricing model for the NBN is entirely an artificial construct defined for price recovery and the political constraint that a 12Mbps plan should cost no more than an ADSL plan. The basic equation is that AVC + CVC > costs.

Labor cleverly decided that revenue growth would come from data growth. RSPs by offering unlimited plans have undermined this. Unlimited plans only benefit a small number who are heavy downloaders. The majority who are below the mean would save money on a plan with a quota. The problem is that a small number of people will thrash the network impacting on everyone. Data quotas effectively control this scenario and push costs on to those who make the most use of the network.

If Labor hadn't added speed tiers we wouldn't have FTTN, FTTB & HFC. Instead today 84% are connected at 25Mbps or less and those on faster speeds who foolishly select a provider with unlimited data plans experience congestion in the evening.

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Optus to refund NBN customers for slow connections

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Peak speed is a distraction

According to ACCC, 84% are connecting at 25Mbps or slower, and of those only 3% on 25Mbps couldn't achieve 25Mbps. That means for >80% this is a non-issue. Meanwhile unlimited data plans with insufficient CVC backing are causing most people to be impacted by slow downs.

I'm still hoping that NBN will abolish speed tiers on the FTTN. This should see the average speed rise to 68Mbps significantly faster than FTTP with speed tiers.

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nbn™ chair Ziggy Switkowski says HFC remediation mess is business as usual

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Re: HFC

> Now, years later, people need better connectivity, so they order faster speeds than what was projected by Labor all those years ago.

For the past 4 years people have been ordering slower speeds than Labor predicted.

> But instead, to please Rupert

What does Rupert gain? Netflix recommends 5Mbps for streaming HD & 25Mbps for streaming 4HD. Both speeds are easily achievable by FTTN which has an average speed of 687Mbps.

> If they had done anything near the right thing, nbn subscribers would have the option of ordering multiple fibre connections to their properties

Multiple fibre lines? Why would someone want to do that? NBN pricing makes zero sense for 99% to do that.

> Given what we needed

We as in the 14% ordering 100Mbps? Not the ordinary 84% ordering 25Mbps or slower. At the start you mentioned price sensitivity, yet propose building a more expensive network than Labor planned which would push up costs.

Can you not see the gap between fibre fanboi fantasies and the real world?

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Re: HFC

I'll assume that those negative votes are from people wanting speeds faster than 25Mbps.

If so, what policy changes are you proposing to fix the mess?

FTTP won't change the fact that 84% are on 25Mbps.

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Re: HFC

Adequate broadband according to Labor NBNCo Corporate Plan was 50% connected at 12Mbps and <1% at 1Gbps in 2026. Today 84% at 25Mbps or slower (ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report). FTTN, HFC, FTTB & FTTP won't have much trouble delivering to those speeds.

Of course peak speeds are irrelevant when Australians are predominately buying budget unlimited plans with congestion during peak periods.

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nbn™ to ISPs: share your speeds or we'll share 'em for you

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> We got exactly the 3rd world solution Turnbull engineered to appease Rupert and Foxtel.

Netflix recommends 5Mbps for HD streaming, so I seriously doubt that FTTN will protect Foxtel from competition.

If you think that the issue is high CVC pricing, but the Liberals have cut the price of CVC from $20 to $14.40 far quicker than Labor planned.

> I don't know how Turnbull can sleep at night,

I wonder how Conroy, Wong & fibre fanbois can sleep at night knowing that one foolish decision to add speed tiers has meant that 84% are connecting at 25Mbps or slower.

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Telstra drops nbn™ in it as it wears compo for broadband speed ads

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Re: Govt. - "There's a problem, quick everyone, bury your head in the sand".

> I would figuratively kill to get a 100/40 connection (that would have been upgradeable to 1000/400?

So you expected to be in the <1% that Labor expected would be able to afford 1Gbps in 2026? If so then the cost of technology change shouldn't be of concern. To be on a 100Mbps plan puts you in the top 14% of Australia.

Does knowing that speed tiers have denied 84% on 25Mbps or slower the minimum recommended speed of 100Mbps for the eHealth & eLearning applications that Labor used as justification for building the NBN concern you? If you are happy with speed tiers then expect to move or pay more for the fast speeds that only a small minority can afford.

> We get congestion not due to insufficient CVC but due to insufficient bandwidth to the bloody Node.

Do you have actual evidence of this claim? Getting the balance right on building the nbn™ network states that for FTTP 3000 premises are served by 10Gbps, while for FTTN, 384 premises are served by 2Gbps and this could easily be upgraded to 20Gbps simply by changing the transceivers. NBNCo also state that only 15% of capacity is typically used and that the distribution links are upgraded well ahead of congestion..

> You keep blaming Labor for the CVC "debacle"

I think that Labor's CVC pricing was one of their smartest decisions related to the NBN, because as a usage charge it appropriately means that who use the NBN most pay the most. It also has the great benefit of providing increased revenue as loads on the network increase and incentive for NBNCo to run a congestion free network so that RSPs receive value from purchasing more.

The LNP reducing the price of CVC from $20 to $14 is actually going to make it significantly harder to reduce the price of AVC and hence it will suppress demand for higher speeds.

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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

> This is obviously rubbish as too are your "statistics" above.

Rather than claiming that the figures are rubbish with zero evidence. Please at least attempt to put forward an argument for your position. As part of that thought process you might want to consider the history of leaks from NBNCo and the fact that this hasn't occurred.

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Re: Speed tier take-up is similar across technologies

> But then 56% of Telstra customers on 100Mbps can not get 100Mbps.

Interesting number, but the reality is that for Telstra only 14% of their customers are willing to pay for 100Mbps.

> Hell there are even customers that cant get min 25Mbps or even the 12Mbps you have claimed nbn has to deliver

Agreed. 6% last time the numbers were published. NBNCo are expecting significant improvement 18 months after an area is ready for service and non NBN connections are disconnected.

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Speed tier take-up is similar across technologies

good reason why many subscribers would be opting for the cheap tier, cause they'll never get the speed of the expensive ones

>80% were on 25Mbps or slower when the network was entirely FTTP. The ACCC NBNCo Wholesale Market Indicators report shows this has increased to 84% and the take-up is similar across all fixed line technologies. So in terms of many, that would be <16%.

If 14% of Telstra's customers were impacted then that would give them a total number of customers on FTTN at 300,000 which is around a third of active FTTN connections. Except that is wrong because at the end of Jun Telstra had 532,805 FTTN connections, which means it is less than 8% of connections.

This is not surprising when NBNCo stated in August that the average FTTN speed is 68Mbps and 65% can achieve 50Mbps or faster.

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consumers arent paying for the 50 - 100mbps speed tiers

The congestion has nothing to do with speed tiers. The primary cause is RSPs selling plans with unlimited quotas and purchasing 1Mbps of CVC per user.

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NBN should remove speed tiers on FTTN & FTTB

The simplest way for NBNCo to respond is to remove the speed tiers on FTTN & FTTB and charge the 12Mbps rate. Hopefully RSPs would invest the savings in more CVC, but I doubt it.

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Who's to blame for the NBN? Hardly anyone remembers, or cares

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84% on 25Mbps or slower

> Labor started building what would have been a world class NBN

A 1Gbps GPON network is close to world class. Direct fibre is one step better and offers symmetric connections. However Labor expected (see NBNCo Corporate Plan) that <1% would have 1Gbps in 2026, which is definitely not world class. Currently speed tier take up is well below Labor's expectations (FTTP, FTTN, & HFC are all similar).

> so his media mates in Foxtel would not have competition

Netflix recommends 5Mbps for HD streaming and 25Mbps for 4HD streaming. HD is easily serviced over FTTN and 65% of FTTN can sync at 50Mbps or faster (average is 68Mbps)

> Experts tried hard and long to educate Turnbulland have him reverse his 3rd world NBN, and warned anyone who would listen, to no avail.

That would be the experts hoping to be in the 14% with 100Mbps who might actually be impacted by FTTN. Labor's decision to implement speed tiers on the NBN means that 84% don't care because they are choosing 25Mbps or slower and FTTN easily supports that.

Where were the experts when Labor published the NBNCo Corporate Plan with the glaring digital divide that speed tiers would create? Silent because they were to afraid to critique the plan and see the issues exposed. The consequence of this selfishness is FTTN.

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Discounting CVC has been Liberal masterstroke.

The biggest step the Liberals have taken to ensure a low speed NBN is to discount CVC faster than Labor planned (down from $20 to ~$14). This reduces NBNCo's future revenue which makes it almost impossible for NBNCo to reduce the price of AVC to make faster plans more attractive.

Complaining about RSPs buying inadequate CVC leading to poor peak performance, but not taking action is a good strategy because it further tarnishes the reputation of the NBN and what is point of paying for a faster speed when it slows to a crawl during peak periods when you want to use it?

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What about the $800 dollars each Labor negotiated with Telstra to transfer each customer from the 'worthless' copper network the NBN and the rent for ducting?

Labor had the option of splitting Telstra into a retail and wholesale company (NZ model) but lacked the will.

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Woeful NBN services attract ACCC's attention

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Re: You may be suprised

> Unlimited plans aren't the source of congestion.

If a world without constraints that is the case, but we are in a real world.

> Data limits are a construct designed to take the focus off the fact they the ISPs, Wholesalers, NBN, etc do not have enough bandwidth to supply their clients needs and to provide a way to charge clients more for using their connections.

This might surprise you, but it actually costs money to run an ISP. $100 including GST is a common pricing for an unlimited 100Mbps plan. NBNCo charge $38 AVC and ~$14/Mbps in CVC.(excluding GST) Considering just the NBNCo Wholesale charges, purchasing more than 5Mbps of CVC (inc. GST) will cause the RSP to lose money. We know the majority of RSPs allocate only 1Mbps per user. I very much doubt that you are willing to pay double or more for better performance. If you were then you would move to an RSP with quotas.

Quotas provide a very fair and reasonable way of controlling congestion. If you are downloading large amounts of data then you pay more to cover the increase in RSP costs. Off-peak quotas provide an incentive to schedule downloads to a quieter time, reducing the RSP's costs. If you download more than average then other customers of the RSP are subsiding you. If you download less, then you are subsidising the heavy downloaders who are causing poor performance in the weeknds.

Other utilities tend to charge for usage. The exception to this is mobile phone plans, but the terms and conditions are interesting. Consider amaysim which 'Unreasonable Use' states Leaving a call connection open for purposes unrelated to making a call, or while in an unattended state for a prolonged period of time eg. as a baby monitor. Are you sure you want to head down that path?

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Re: You may be suprised

While the ACCC decision has had significant impact, RSPs choosing to offer unlimited plans is the significant cause of congestion. The tragedy of the commons has been known since the 1800s.

Your mate on Dodo is simply lucky, but that could change very quickly if a few heavy users join his PoI. A couple of short posts naming the PoI and claiming good performance should achieve this..

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You're designing an internet fridge. Should you go for fat HTML or a Qt-pie for your UI?

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Re: You're designing an internet fridge.

IoT is a great way to take an appliance that should last a minimum of 10 years and make it a security risk and obsolescent in 12 months.

TVs are another example. Spend $6000 on a nice OLED TV running Android and it is obsolete before you purchase it, while the screen should be good for 10+ years. If I could buy a TV with an upgradeble Android component, I would pay a small premium. In a couple of years you can overcharge me again for the Android component, but at least I won't have to replace the TV.

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nbn™ to use G.fast in late 2018, firstly in commercial premises

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Why didn't you point this out when Labor announced the NBN with speed tiers and created a financial model which relied on ARPU rising steeply to above $100 for targets to be met?

Labor's financial model was based on increased data usage driving CVC revenue growth pushing up ARPU and slowly discounting AVC. The Liberals have cut CVC pricing to $14 reducing CVC revenue growth which curtails NBN's ability to discount AVC. Smart plan if you are building a FTTN network and want to suppress demand for faster speeds.

The rumoured uncongested 50Mbps plan will put further upward pressure on the cost of faster plans.

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Re: Never do this

If we assume Murdoch is concerned about people streaming cutting into his profits and accept Netflix's recommendation of 5Mbps for HD and 25Mbps for 4K HD then FTTN will has just a big an impact.

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Joint Committee on the NBN splits, as National Party member sides with opposition

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NBN or Telstra responsible for download speeds?

In Not happy with the NBN? You're not alone. The number of complaints has jumped 160pc there is this quote:

Dr Kay said they got better speeds from the old ADSL than with the NBN fibre to the premises. "Our download speeds can get down to 2.2 megabits a second and uploads speeds can be zero. That happens fairly regularly — it might even be daily," he said. He said every six months the whole connection dropped out, which was not just frustrating but also life threatening.

At one point, Dr Kay said his patients were calling Telstra to try and reach him, and the telco requested he give them a mobile number to reach him on. "We said no, why don't you fix the NBN? So we actually have the service we contract you to provide."

It will be interesting to see some more facts, but the first assumption has to be that erratic speeds are an RSP (Telstra?) issue.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> But in your delusional mind thats not a digital divide lol.

I have never said it is not a digital divide. The rich will always have more money to spend. The point I'm making is that >80% of Australians have selected 25Mbps, so that should be considered the baseline. The question I'm asking you is why are you so special that you deserve the benefits of a government funded network that you deny to >80%. Are you special enough to be in the 1% connected at 1Gbps in 2026? I doubt it, because if you were, you wouldn't be complaining about the cost of technology change.

> Lol no you claim it was going down.

The percentage on 100Mbps dropped sharply from the first connections to stabilise at 14%. This steep drop under Labor's governance is easily explained by the early adopters selecting faster speeds and late adopters choosing slower speeds.

Internet Connection Speed Recommendations from Netflix are 5Mbps for HD & 25Mbps for UHD. Now you might think 25Mbps indicates those on 25Mbps will need to upgrade, however I expect most will bauk at the cost increases to deliver 25Mbps during peak hour. 25Mbps of CVC at $14Mbps = $350.

> Another spin and liie with nothing to back it up with

I suggest reading NBN: ISP Congestion and speed tiers which explains why when RSPs purchase inadequate CVC resulting in congestion there is little value in purchasing faster speeds. Simply calculating NBNCo Wholesale costs, RSPs cannot sell the current plans at a profit and provdie a congestion free network.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> First NBN fibre extension comes in: $150,000

Date of article: 16-Aug-2012 (pre FTTN, while Labor in power)

Context: Person requested to change from Satellite to FTTP and was quoted $150,000.

One source in the industry suggested lack of infrastructure could require NBN Co to spend up to $120,000 to build new pit-and-pipe over the 1.3 kilometre distance in a built-up area.

The article you should have linked to is Few users go through with expensive NBN tech switches

Date: 31-Mar-2017

Quote: Bill Morrow’s assertions at estimates last week that the costs normally ranged from “sub-$1000 to tens of thousands of dollars” are broadly accurate. The average cost per premises, based on these new figures, is around $7395.

Based on this average cost is likely to be less than 6 months on 1Gbps.

The first time you provide a reference it is dated prior to LNP being elected and is a complaint about Labor's plan.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> Lol your selfiness in not caring that most Australians are now denied any benefits and any further speed increases.

Greater than 80% of Australians are having exactly the same experience on FTTN, HFC & FTTP because they've selected 25Mbps or slower.

Based speed tier take up for past 4 years, ~4% of Australians have been disadvantaged (unable to purchase 100Mbps connection) by FTTN.

These two numbers should help you and other fibre fanbois appreciate the gap between your world view and the rest of Australia. If you are in doubt crunching the numbers in the NBNCo Corporate Plans / ACCC reports will confirm the calculations or you could look at previous articles where I've explained the calculations in depth..

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> Lol your selfiness in not caring that most Australians are now denied any benefits and any further speed increases.

Your position is that a priviliged few (<14%) should enjoy speeds on a goverment network that through pricing structures are denied to others. Further that less than 1% in 2026 should enjoy 1Gbps. I cannot see how a network where <14% achieve the minimum speed to meet the aims of the government program fair. A network where <1% in 2026 will have world class speeds is even less fair.

My simple position is that if FTTN adequately meets the demands of >80% then that is all the government is required to provide. Those who require more have two choices move to an FTTP location or technology change. Based on speed tier percentages and trends for the last four years the impact is about 4% of the population.

Alternatively they could campaign for an abolition of speed tiers, but that would have required criticising Labor's FTTP plan back in 2009-2010 which didn't occur, because fibre fanbois were worried if the plan was critqued, holes would emerge and it would disappear in a puff of smoke. Instead you are now reaping the rewards of your selfishness.

> What would you call $150k choice for the same speeds?

Move evidence of your irrational fibre fanboi logic by picking an extreme unreferenced number. Most suggest FTTN to FTTP will cost between $5,000 to $15,000. Less than a kitchen renovation and less than stamp duty. Likely to be less than 12 months on 1Gbps FTTP plan.

> Has fttp % changed in the last 4 years? But please try the spin again.

The percentage on 100Mbps on FTTP has barely changed in the last 4 years. You should know this, but have this belief system that demand is sitting there waiting to explode.

> What was ADSL traction 5 or 10 years after it came out?

The only significant move in speed in ADSL was triggered by Internode installing DSLAMs into exchanges and offering uncapped speeds. TPG with FTTB are somewhat similar offering either 12Mbps or 100Mbps for $10 extra.

Sadly, you cannot distinguish between your personal desire and the reality of the general population. Unfortunately unlimited data plans have contributed to the lack of demand for faster speeds because faster plans mean more data can be downloaded adding to the cost, whereas faster plans on the same quota have little impact on the network.

> So when 65% can get 50Mbps or faster. But then they as i have pointed out to you before are most likely using fttb figure in the average.

Again yet more unsubstansiated fibre fanboi wishful thinking. FTTB is an entirely separte product to FTTN, and listed as such in the reports that I've previously pointed you towards. Of course I appreciate that as a fibre fanboi you find reality challenging to your world view.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

Please accept FTTP has zero traction in the general population because Labor added speed tiers to the network, meaning that >80% are selecting speeds easily provided by FTTN. Your selfishness in not caring that most Australians were going to be denied the benefits of the NBN enabled LNP to replace FTTP with HFC & FTTN because it met the requirements of >80%.

> Ahh so given someone a choice of speeds that has different cost is a digital divide with a small difference in cost. But then shows how delusional you really are

If the cost is a small amount then why are only 14% and shrinking selecting 100Mbps?

> again you try to make a delusional claim without backing up your claims with any facts as usual just the lie and spin as always lol

I've repeatedly given you references to the NBNCo Corporate Plan and ACCC NBN Wholesale Market Indicators Report but I doubt you have even read these documents.

> So since the rollout out stopped in 2013 and fttp figures hasnt changed much at all we apparently know lol best spin i have seen from you.

If it is spin then I suggest that you provide the references and calculations to substantiate your claims.

> Delusional is when you have 65% on user picking the maximum or faster then what the network

Delusional is suggesting everyone on FTTN (<40% of network) will have network issues on 25Mbps or faster, when NBNCo have reported the average speed down is 67.7Mbps and up is 30.63Mbps. This will improve when profiles are changed after migration from ADSL to FTTN is complete.

Fibre fanboi campaigns since 2012 have achieved nothing outside the small percentage willing to pay for fast speeds, because the general population have correctly judged your attitude as self-interest, not community interest.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> So apparently supply speeds of 100Mbps and giving consumers choice on hiw fast they want to pay for is some how in your delusional frame of mind creating a digital divide.

There is a key distinction between 'want' and 'can afford'. Most people in Australia would enjoy driving a luxury European car, but very few can afford it. Labor's speed tiers have as Labor expected, created a digital divide of >80% on 25Mbps or slower and a shrinking percentage (14%) on 100Mbps.

Based on your argument the availability of technology change removes the issue, because if you want to pay for it you can :-).

> So as i have shown you with very simple maths that more peple on higher teirs under fttp generates more revune. But alas you have chosen to ignore that simple fact and claim its CVC cost is the revune stream lol. Considering your delisional in think cvc cost is supplying most of the revenue when it only supplies 30%

You can massage numbers to come up with the desired numbers. What doesn't change and you have consistently ignored is that Labor explicitly stated in the NBNCo Corporate Plan that their stated intention was for NBNCo to derive an increasing portion of revenue from CVC because they in my opinion correctly forecast that increased use of streaming technologies would lead to higher demand. The great advantage of this is that data growth is organic (quota exceeded), where as moving up a speed tier requires a decision by the customer.

> The fact your compare mtm figures vs fttp figures which hasnt change much at all since 2013 who knows what it would be now.

Umm... We do know what it would be today, because NBNCo / ACCC release quarterly figures broken down by technology which show no growth in those prepared to pay for faster speeds.

> So it only doubles once how many times does FTTP doubles our country speed?

Thanks to Labor's speed tiers resulting in >80% on 25Mbps or slower the NBN hasn't delivered the benefits that 1Gbps could have delivered. As you are well aware if speed tiers were removed on the FTTN network it would have a higher average speed than FTTP with Labor's speed tiers.

I don't dispute that 1Gbps could have delivered significant economic and social benefits, however not when Labor intended for <1% to have 1Gbps in 2026.

Delusional are fibre fanbois believing that Labor was building a 1Gbps network for them, unless of course they were in the elite 1%. But then if you were in the elite 1% technology change wouldn't be a significant expense. Delusional is ignoring the evidence that >80% of Australians have decided to select 25Mbps or slower.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> Wrong again myrepublic is offering it in Wollongong but please keep trying

I'm well aware that MyRepublic are running an invitation only marketing exercise for 100 people which is selling 1Gbps connections at a significant discount to the NBNCo AVC wholesale price.

This in no way is a national service or one that can be ordered today. This is the distinction between fibre fanboi blinded by shiney light and reality.

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Re: HFC Horrible Fucking Crap Network

> totally incapable of supplying need (best guess norm 860Mbps download and 40Mbps

The challenge is that >80% are ordering 25Mbps or slower and RSPs are pushing unlimited data plans but purchasing insufficient CVC so I doubt most people will notice.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> Why can they order a service Mathew. You been banging on thats its been a viable since 2013.

Incorrect.

I've stated that NBNCo have offered 1Gbps to RSPs since December 2013, but since you cannot order a service from an RSP. Given the advantage that the first mover will have in attracting early adopters with deep wallets, the only conclusion I can draw is that RSPs cannot make the numbers work.

This is hardly surprising when the minimum investment for a national network is 2Gbps CVC priced at $14/Mbps for 121 PoIs is $3.4 million and on top of that you need to add the RSP's internal costs it is not hard to understand why.

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Re: >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> hasnt bern labor fttp for 4 years

My point is that Labor established the NBNCo monopoly and defined the financial model which included speed tiers. My argument is that speed tiers (as predicted by Labor) have created a digital divide and enabled MTM

The significant changes made by LNP have been lower CVC quicker than Labor planned and build FTTN / HFC (irrelevant to the > 80% ordering 25Mbps or slower)

> As per previous dissucion your sulking at the 25Mbps mark becuase you vacant use 50% on 12/1 Lol

Still in your delusional world where >80% on 25Mbps or slower and <14% on 100Mbps is a better outcome than Labor's plan for 50% on 12Mbps, 30% on 100Mbps and ~3% on 250Mbps?

> So that other countries that are already supply 1Gbps speeds we are meant to compete with. It's a luxury is it.

You know full well that I support abolishing speed tiers, which would have made 1Gbps available for everyone. A NBN would have made it much harder for LNP to build FTTN because the gap between 10-20 fold gap between FTTN & 1Gbps FTTP is significant, whereas with >80% selecting 25Mbps or slower it is only a small group (<4%) of spoilt rich who are impacted.

Labor's plan as outlined in the NBNCo Corporate Plan was for less than 1% to have 1Gbps in 2026. This hardly makes us competitive. In fact in the 2010 Corporate Plan is a chart showing how Labor planned for us to fall further behind over time.

> But then as you love to lie and spin as usual

So quoting from Labor's NBNCo Corporate Plan is considered lying and spin?

I suggest that Labor's response to Google Fibre's 1/1Gbps direct fibre build by increasing the NBN top speed from 100Mbps to 1Gbps just prior to the 2010 election and omitting to state their expectation that it would be so expensive that <1% of Australians would be connected at 1Gbps in 2026 is a good example of spin.

My suggestion at the time and since is that Labor should have responded by offering Google $20 billion to build Google Fibre here. By now we might have had the network built and a Google Lab experimenting with Loon for remote access.

> fanboy model

I've never been a fan of FTTN / HFC. I've merely pointed out that Labor's decisions in setting up the NBN have had a significantly bigger impact. Secondly, the technology change has impact on only about 4%, .who are mostly rich.

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Re: FTTP, reality?

There are many reasons to move to NZ including escaping the apocalypse, but it is a little cold.

What I'm curious about is what decisions NZ made that has made their project successful whereas Australia has been a disaster. I suspect NZ's decision to structurally separate the monopoly telco whereas Australia chose to establish NBNCo as a new monopoly.

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>80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower

> Mathew can or can not fttp deliver 1Gbps. Can or can not fttn deliver 1 Gbps

it depends on how you define 'deliver'.

  • If you mean for those who have an FTTP connection today can they order a 1Gbps service, then the answer is no.
  • If you mean deliver based on Labor's expectations in the NBNCo Corproate Plan then that would be less than 1% in 2026, which is still in the future.
  • If you mean will a 1Gbps FTTP connection be affordable for the average person, I suggest that is unlikely given that >80% are currently connecting at 25Mbps or slower.
  • If you mean does FTTN present a barrier to those who can afford 1Gbps, then arguably the answer is still no, because 1Gbps plans will be very expensive.
  • If you meant in a hypothetical scenario based on political spin, then yes FTTP can deliver 1Gbps and in the lab 255TBs, but that would require replacing the NBN fibre.

As per our previous discussion you are still sulking that a network with speed tiers has resulted in >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower and provided the basis for the position that speeds faster than 25Mbps are a luxury for which people should make the appropriate sacrifice instead of expecting a middle class welfare handout.

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So that makes you unusual in that 14% and shrinking are ordering 100Mbps with little variation between FTTN, HFC & FTTP.

I think on FTTN due to the variance on performance, NBNCo should remove speed tiers and just offer the service at the 12Mbps price so that no one is disadvantaged. Of course this would mean that the average speed on FTTN would be faster than the average speed on FTTP.

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Re: Privatise the profits, Socialise the costs

The Labor Party who setup NBNCo created it as a monopoly with the stated intention of privatisation as soon as the risk build was complete.

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Throwing money out the window for a service nowhere near what we were supposed to get (old 1gb/s). I need to get up to a next gen vr business, 2 tb/s line for development, not 100mb/s.

Labor expected that with FTTP, <1% would have 1Gbps in 2026, and you are expecting 2Tbps? Sure VR is a cool technology, but if you want it now, I suggest locating yourself next to a peering point.

For a bit of perspective, Square Kilometer Array has a desire for hundreds of Gigabits per second and you want 2tb/s?

Finally don't forget that >80% of Australians are opting for 25Mbps or slower.

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Tasmania weekly earnings lowest = digital divide

Nonetheless, Tasmania ranks the lowest on Telstra's Digital Inclusion index compared to other States.

6302.0 - Average Weekly Earnings, Australia, May 2017 states that Tasmania has the lowest average weekly earnings, therefore it is hardly surprising that Tasmania is lower.

Labor decision to add speed tiers to the NBN has resulted in >80% connecting at 25Mbps or slower and created a digital divide. Building more FTTC or FTTP won't change that digital divide.

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Australian PM Malcolm Turnbull hints at surveillance expansion

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In related news SAPOL have been given live access to Adelaide Oval cameras. This has been labelled an anti-terror measure. Reportedly there are 400 cameras in the grounds.

If you are visiting for the Ashes, please remember to smile for the cameras.

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Internet-wide security update put on hold over fears 60 million people would be kicked offline

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A curated list of servers with outdated software?

The organization is planning to publish a full list of resolvers that listed having only the 2010 KSK key, and then ask the internet community to help identify where they are and figure out what the problem is, and how to update them.

Did anyone else read this and think that these resolvers are likely to be running out of date software with known issues? I expect certain sections of the internet community will be very quick in identifying the servers and updating them, but I'm not sure their actions will be considered 'helpful'.

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nbn™ sweetens the deal for business and its own bottom line

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CVC revenue cuts require a rise in AVC revenue

NBNCo revenue is primarily sourced from AVC & CVC charges. Discounting of the CVC price means that AVC prices cannot be discounted. The effect of this is to push down the demand for faster speeds because prices are higher. Top notch strategy if your plan is to depress the demand for faster speeds.

Labor's plan was always for CVC revenue to increase as a portion of total NBNCo revenue.

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Australia commits to establish space agency with no budget, plan, name, deadline …

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Re: It's a distraction, emmmm bad polls

This is more about the state government trying to save itself at the March polls.

Now is a good time to be selling something to the South Australian Government if it reduces the chance of negative publicity (e.g. Telsa installing batteries).

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Re: Easy... this isn't about space.

Classic example of governments and the general populace ignoring scientists.

Goyder's Line was produced by the Surveyor-General by observation of flora and it has proven remarkably accurate, although indications are that climate change is moving it south.

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