* Posts by DougS

12863 posts • joined 12 Feb 2011

Want a medal? Microsoft 7.2% less bad at speech recognition than IBM

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It isn't just machines that have trouble

You don't need 100% accuracy, but you need 100% accuracy in the right places. My iPhone does voicemail to text, and even though it isn't always 100% I generally don't have to listen to the message because a 95% accurate (or whatever) transcription is good enough.

For meeting notes you'd want near perfect accuracy, especially if you want it searchable. If I'm looking for the meeting where we discussed the outcome of "project athena", but its name was transcribed as "project tina" in a meeting we were informed it was canceled then I'm not going to be able to get that critical information via search. Whereas if I was reading the meeting notes or received notice of the cancellation via voicemail I could easily infer what "project tina" really was.

Google's Android 8.0 Oreo has been served

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Re: Google Need Them To

It is lower level updates that will bite you. You can't brick a phone updating its browser, but you can if you update its kernel or drivers.

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Re: Google Need Them To

If upgrades start coming to end user devices then they have to deal with the consequences/complaints when they don't go well. Apple has only a handful of hardware configurations, all of which they control themselves, and their upgrades aren't always trouble free.

There's no way Google won't have many more problems than Apple has had if they start sending upgrades directly to phones, considering the massive number of hardware permutations out there and their lack of control over the hardware. It might end up a situation where the upgrades are available but most people disable them because they've had problems in the past or know people who have.

Google has to tread VERY carefully if they think to start upgrading directly without carrier/OEM involvement!

Private sub captain changes story, now says reporter died, was 'buried at sea' – torso found

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You can't change your story like that

If anything screams "GUILTY!" to me it is a guy who first says he dropped the reporter off and then changes his story to say that the reporter died (somehow?) and so he did what literally no one would do in that circumstance and buried him at sea and lied about it.

He's going to need one hell of a defense lawyer to avoid spending the rest of his life in jail.

Uh oh, scientists know how those diamonds got in Uranus, and they're telling everyone!

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Re: Holocene Extinction coated with nano-diamonds !

Bowling ball sized hail caused mass extinctions? I assume you have a link for this?

Hackers scam half a million from Enigma digital currency investors

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Re: Are there now so many versions because

Yes, which is why so many different flavors have been coming out recently. To capitalize on all the fools who think "well it happened with bitcoin, so why not spend a few bucks to get in on this early and maybe make millions?"

Basically that's like arguing that because those who got in on the ground floor of Facebook have nine digit bank accounts, you should invest in whatever random social networking startup comes along because it might be the next Facebook.

Daily Stormer booted off internet again, this time by Namecheap

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Re: Vileness in public

The Stormer crowd are literally Nazis! Nazis were all talk in Germany in the 20s, until they got power, and once they did they sure did a hell of a job of making up for lost time as far as killing people. Just like the ISIS crowd was all talk in radical mosques or web forums or whatever until a vacuum of power opened up in Syria for them to take advantage of.

The only reason ISIS has killed more people than the Daily Stormer crowd is opportunity. If the US government fell apart in a region like what happened in Syria, you can bet the Daily Stormer and other radical white supremacist groups would be more than happy to come in with all their weapons and ammo, and start killin' Jews and black folks to create their Aryan homeland.

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Re: Vileness in public

They are every bit as bad as ISIS, and ISIS videos/etc. get removed when they're identified. At least to the extent that the west can exert control over them, i.e. if they're on a US site like Youtube or Twitter but not much we can do for stuff hosted in say Syria.

The nazis and other white supremacists have been claiming persecution for ages anyway, so actually persecuting them a bit by harassing them to the dark corners of the web with shady providers who consider money more important than ethics isn't going to make any real difference in the long run.

Voyager antenna operator: 'I was the first human to see images from Neptune'

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"Silence" is relative

A typical DBS system in the US has incoming signals at -90 dbm, and they can be received with an 18" dish and LNA that costs less than a buck. ATSC antennas can receive signals even weaker than that if you add a good low noise preamp. Your ears are just not engineered as well I guess :)

But -168 dbm, damn that's impressive!

Elon Musk among 116 AI types calling on UN to nobble robo-weapons before they go all Skynet

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Nice in theory

Anyone care to lay odds what the chances are that the US, China and Russia would agree to such a thing, or even if they agreed that they wouldn't still pursue such weapons in secret?

Bitcoin-accepting sites leave cookie trail that crumbles anonymity

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Re: Privacy and Commercial Transactions

If you buy via say Paypal there's no reason the retailer needs your name or email, since the necessary contact can go via Paypal. The shipping address is a problem, but theoretically it could be worked around if there was demand for it (i.e. Paypal works with USPS etc. to allow them to generate encrypted barcodes that USPS can read and prints a shipping label for the retailer to use that they can't read)

Retailers want to know who their customers are, so they'd be pretty resistant to a system that took away that information. Apple successfully pushed them into accepting the loss of that information to support Apple Pay, but were only able to do that because of their scale. Paypal could enforce it, but would risk making room for a competitor that didn't handcuff the retailers.

Qualcomm moved its Snapdragon designers to its ARM server chip. We peek at the results

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Re: So why bother with Kyro?

I'll bet they began the effort believing could beat ARM cores by enough that it would give them an advantage in the market. However, as it turns out their design team either just isn't that good or Qualcomm isn't giving them sufficient resources.

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Re: How will QC license these CPU's?

Better not sell it in a server that ships with 1TB of RAM I guess!

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There's little risk in dropping Kyro

There isn't anyone on the Android side able to beat ARM designed A72/A73/A75 cores by enough to matter. Sure, Apple is blowing away those ARM designed cores, but Android users aren't going to switch to iPhone over CPU performance, so that's irrelevant to Qualcomm.

Interesting choice to go with 48 cores. I guess they know they can't compete with Intel in single thread performance / IPC, so there's no point in clocking aggressively high and will instead try to make up for it with the number of cores. Sort of like AMD's strategy with Threadripper.

I'm sure the big cloud providers like Google and Amazon will give them a look, but they have such large scale these days they could afford to fund their own ARM design and create a complete SoC that does everything they need it to do and nothing they don't. So I wonder if there's really ever going to be a large enough market to justify Qualcomm designing an ARM server CPU.

What code is running on Apple's Secure Enclave security chip? Now we have a decryption key...

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Re: Well you cannot make this secure

There's a difference between "high resolution" and "high end". Even supposedly high end fingerprint readers have proven easy to fool by various methods, which is why they have gone to reading the inside e.g. vein patterns and the like for high security needs.

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Re: "PS: And cops, in the US at least, can't demand your PIN"

If I was traveling to the US from overseas, I'd wipe my phone before crossing the border. Tell them yours broke yesterday and you picked up a replacement on the way to the airport. Then you can sync to the cloud or restore from backup after you're through customs.

They're never going to catch terrorists this way, they aren't going to cross the border with a phone that has text messages from "ISIS commander" saying "your holy mission is a go for tomorrow at 4pm. Allahu Akbar!"

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Re: Well you cannot make this secure

Why would the resolution of the reader matter? If you have good enough prints on the phone (glass is good like that) you could make a high resolution fingerprint from it. Biometrics are inherently insecure, you leave fingerprints wherever you go, your iris and face are exposed to the view of cameras (hidden and in plain sight) all the time. As the saying goes, they're a username not a password.

That's why Apple's "cop mode" in iOS 11 is handy. Hit the power button five times and the phone can't be unlocked via biometrics, but only via the PIN. Just make sure you do it before the cop yells "hands up" if in the US, or he'll shoot you and claim he thought you were going for a gun...

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"Since you cannot enter complex alphanumeric passphrases on a touchscreen"

I guess I'm just imagining that I've using an alphanumeric passphrase on my iPhone since I got a 3gs? Why in the world do you think you are limited to only digits? Maybe your phone is, if so choose better next time.

If someone is going to use a million dollar piece of equipment to access your secrets, they are so important you should consider hiring goons to protect you, and carry a Blendtec to physically destroy your phone before anyone can get their hands on it :)

If hardware on that level is a "moderately advanced attacker" I'd hate to hear what you think an "very advanced hacker" is capable of... Mind control? Antigravity? It sounds like you're trying to make the argument that the secure enclave isn't perfect security. If so, you're right. But it sure as heck protects you against ordinary cops or a private investigator getting hold of your phone. They would be completely helpless trying to access it.

Wisconsin advances $3bn bribe incentives package for Foxconn

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Re: Er.... But.... Isn't LCD a thing of the past?

LCDs still totally dominate for TVs volume-wise because of price even though they are superior to all LCD/LED TVs. Plus AFAIK there are zero OLED laptop displays or monitors. Smartphone displays may be large volume wise, but LCD and OLED panels are manufactured in giant "mother glass" panels and cut to size. One TV display is equivalent to 100 smartphone displays in area, so in terms of manufacturing LCD/OLED panels TVs are where the volume is at.

Sure iLED/microLED technology will eventually replace both LCD/LED TVs and OLED/AMOLED smartphone displays, but that technology isn't here yet.

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Re: $230,000 a head

The only way Foxconn will make displays for iPhones is if Apple wants to keep the technology they are using to themselves. That could be the case if their Luxvue purchase bears fruit - they claimed to have cracked the problem of making inorganic LEDs (aka microLEDs) Those are brighter, lower power, wider gamut, more accurate - pretty much better than OLED in every way and better than LCD in the few ways that's better than OLED as well.

If they make TV panels it will probably be for private label TVs for companies like Walmart, Costco, Best Buy etc. so they can advertise "made in America". That's the only way that all the Japanese and Korean made TVs we have now aren't replaced by Chinese made TVs in a few years. The Chinese are killing the others in price, and now they're starting to make OLED TVs which doesn't bode well for LG and Sony maintaining their price premium.

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Re: $230,000 a head

I don't think it is a sure thing that plant will end up making iPhones. Foxconn makes a ton of stuff, and unless they are ready to almost completely automate the manufacture of an iPhones that's not an option for this factory. I think it is more likely it will make LCD panels.

If it ever materializes, that is. Foxconn had plans a few years ago to build a factory in the US (in Kentucky I think) and got approved for big tax giveaways like this, but it never happened. So I wouldn't consider this a sure thing until the building shell is complete.

No, the cops can't get a search warrant to just seize all devices in sight – US appeals court

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Re: Wrong Solution

Well, here's the problem. When federal prosecutors know their cases are built on a flimsy foundation that could be overturned, they'll sometimes drop a case rather than allow the court to review it and set a precedent. You see this with e.g. Stingray in cases where the defense got the judge to rule they had to provide more information about how it worked and how it is used, they simply drop the case to avoid providing that information. This has happened a number of times with Stingray alone, and you probably can't count the number of times it was done with other evidence of questionable legality (I imagine that would make an interesting research topic for some law prof)

They know the typical defendant relying on a court appointed attorney will generally be unable to muster such an effective defense, so they'll still get a lot of plea bargain deals based on evidence that would not be allowed if they were willing/able to go all the way. Just another way the legal system discriminates based on socioeconomic status.

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This ruling isn't very meaningful

It was a three judge panel, not the entire appeals court, and the decision was 2-1. It could quite possibly go the other way if appealed to the full appeals court, or after that to the Supreme Court.

There's a ways to go before this ruling becomes the law of the land outside the area covered by this court.

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Re: Beat This For a Conveniently Broad Warrant:

This is exactly the kind of ridiculous overreach iOS 11's "cop mode" (press the power button quickly five times to disable fingerprint recognition and make it require your password) is targeted for. Though I'm sure some authoritarian types will crap on Apple and claim they are supporting terrorists and criminals.

Atari shoots sueball at KitKat maker over use of 'Breakout' in ad

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Enough with the Jobs hate

Yes, he took advantage of Woz. But Woz would never have been more than just an engineer if not for Jobs, because he not only didn't have the business saavy, more importantly he didn't have the desire for the business saavy.

Pretty sure Woz is orders of magnitude richer today than he would have been if he'd never met Jobs, since there would have been no Apple, so I doubt he has any complaints.

US cops point at cell towers and say: Give us every phone number that's touched that mast

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Re: The only good thing you can say about this

That's a good question, but I'm afraid I don't know the answer. Federal judges are life appointments, but if the city or state police build a case can they seek wiretaps from state appointed judges who may be elected depending on the state...anyone know?

I think electing judges is a terrible idea, you don't want them to base their decisions on polling, only the law. Appoint them for life, and provide a way to for a supermajority of voters and/or legislators to kick them out if they do something outrageous.

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The only good thing you can say about this

Is that at least they appear to still need a warrant, even if it is granted almost automatically. If they stopped asking for warrants that's when we should be worried, because at that point we would be forced to assume they're getting a full real time dump of everything.

I wish judges would exercise more discretion, and make them prove a much higher bar to justify a full dump over information for a few numbers.

Linux-loving lecturer 'lost' email, was actually confused by Outlook

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Re: Client support, we've heard about it

Some people don't want to learn anything new. I had to deal with faculty back in the late 90s, and there was one guy in particular who was hugely resistant to change. He still had a VT terminal in his office next to his Sun workstation, because the VT terminal connected to an RS6000 just like it had for the past decade and he was used to it. There was a common filesystem and mail was accessible from either, but he was used to reading his email on that VT terminal.

It took an extra year longer than it should have to dump that aging RS6000 because he didn't want to let it go, and it took some extra convincing to prove to him that he could access his mail (using the Unix 'mail' command, because that's what he was used to, nothing fancy like 'elm' for him!) just as well from a terminal on the Sun as he could if we connected his VT terminal to his Sun like he wanted at first. Honestly the only reason I think he was willing to part with the VT was he was getting an SGI workstation as well and didn't have desk space for both of those and the VT! :)

The funny thing was he was a Comp Sci professor, and was doing cutting edge research in parallel programming. He just didn't want to be bothered to learn anything new outside his interests.

I say, BING DONG! Microsoft's search engine literally cocks up on front page for hours

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Re: Someone has too much time on their hands

Did she expect the cops to tell you to tell your sheep to "get a room"?

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Someone has too much time on their hands

I enlarged the image and didn't see it...guess I was looking for bad words or something.

Russia's answer to Buckminster Fuller has a buttload of CGI and he's not afraid to use it

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Re: Motorway median

And what about crossing a bridge? You either have one span for all lanes that has no 'median', or two spans with empty space in the middle. How does this thing get across bridges? Not all bridges are made the same way, some would not allow something of that height to pass because of the structure above the road.

You'd have to design a whole city with this in mind. While that's something China could do if they ever fill up the existing ghost cities, it isn't applicable to the rest of the world.

Cloudflare: We dumped Daily Stormer not because they're Nazis but because they said we love Nazis

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I guess I missed the part where the woman who was run over was carrying a bat and and wearing a helmet, "looking to cause an issue". Maybe you need to stop getting your news from Breitbart.

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@Stu Mac

In what way is communism "below" nazism? All the countries we identify as "communist" are authoritarian first. Stalin didn't kill all those millions of people because that's part of the communist philosophy, it is because he had an iron grip on power and could do whatever he wanted without any consequences.

Now maybe you can argue that communism requires an authoritarian government to enforce, and you might be right because the rich wouldn't willingly submit to it, but communism itself isn't a violent philosophy. It just appears impractical, at least unless technological advancement went far enough that we achieved a post-scarcity society.

I'd put Islamism on equal footing with nazism. Both philosophies say "those like us are the only ones who matter" and if nothing stands in their way will terrorize and kill the rest. Is Islamism lower in your book because it is non-Christian, or is beheading somehow worse than gas chambers?

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Re: I think..

I saw an interview with one of the white supremacists. He was talking about how Trump was not nearly racist enough for his taste, because it was appalling he allowed his daughter to marry "that Jew bastard Kushner".

I don't think anyone should be surprised people like this are condoning murder on a website.

Making money is so DRAM easy for some memory-flingers

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Re: Collusion

They don't need to collude, DRAM has always been characterized by boom/bust cycles. Maybe today there are few enough players that collusion is possible though.

If they had colluded in the past there would never have been 'bust' cycles, so I'd only be suspicious of collusion if we hit 2020 and DRAM and flash are still in undersupply.

Disgraced US Secret Service agent coughs to second Bitcoin heist

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You don't care if any businesses accept bitcoins for products/services if you have online exchanges that will accept bitcoins for dollars.

Here's your money laundering 101:

step 1) commit crime, be paid in bitcoin

step 2) trade bitcoins for dollars

step 3) if caught, claim "I mined these shortly after bitcoin was created, and have been sitting on them for years watching their price go up, so I decided to start selling a few"

They'd have to prove you didn't mine those bitcoins years ago (is there a way to tell?) to do you for money laundering, or take the presumably more difficult route of prosecuting you for the crime you committed.

PayPal, accused of facilitating neo-Nazi rally, promises to deny hate groups service

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Just because the democrats were on the wrong side in the civil war and were the home of the KKK for a century doesn't make it untrue that those white supremacists are all republicans now - ever since Johnson signed the CRA and VRA in 64/65. Previously the KKK and their ilk didn't have much reason to engage in the national electoral process, because a great man like Reagan would never dream of sucking up to nazis and white supremacists like pathetic Trump did yesterday. The nazis finally have a president they love, and it astounds me that any republicans still defend him after yesterday.

Luckily not everyone is quite so stupid. Last night several of my friends who had been Trump supporters from the time he announced posted to Facebook disavowing him and apologizing for all the good things they said about him. They all used the same wording, so I'm guessing it is something that organized in Trump groups on Facebook or something like that.

Unless that's an isolated incident, which I hope it is not, we will see millions of republicans deserting him and his approval ratings setting new lows before long. Hopefully Mueller finds enough dirt on him to get him impeached, or congress decides to invoke the 25th amendment on him. True republicans would be much happier with Pence, who would never say things like Trump did yesterday that bring shame to the republican brand, because unlike Trump he isn't a racist with a father who was arrested at a KKK rally in the 20s.

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Re: attacking anyone who disagrees with them.

Today he disbanded two business councils because a wave of additional CEO resignations happened in response to his pathetic statements yesterday. Talk about "childish to the extreme", he basically took his ball and went home because no one wanted to play with him anymore!

Intel CEO Krzanich quits Trump's Manufacturing Council over response to Charlottesville rallies

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Better understanding of and from NAZIS?

The nazis and other white supremacist scum did not travel to Charlotte to help anyone "understand" anything other than their hate, and had no intention of listening politely while those who disagreed expressed their views. They are beyond help, and Trump and his apologists claiming equivalence with the anti-facist protestors who met them because some of them were smart enough to show up prepared for the fight they knew the nazis would bring no matter what is disgusting.

I am happy to report that several of my friends who were Trump supporters from the beginning back when everyone thought Jeb Bush would be the nominee were so horrified by his statements yesterday that they disavowed him on Facebook last night. Unless what my friends did was an isolated incident, this is going to show up when polling for his approval rating takes this into account next week. I wouldn't be surprised to see him under 30%, and if he continues to stick his foot in his mouth like yesterday (which I hope he does, so no one can claim ignorance of who he really is) he'll drive that under 20% before long.

Not many republicans subscribe to his racist views, so the more he makes it clear what a sick man he is, the more he'll drive everyone away except the white supremacists. Any republicans who support him because he's "their president"....well, if he's removed from office via impeachment or the 25th amendment, Pence will then be "their president" and he won't say things that bring shame to the republican brand.

Google paying Apple BEEELLIONS to stay search top dog on iDevices, say analysts

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Re: Apple may have a branded DuckDuckGo in the works

Why would that matter to you? Them working with Apple on a branded service (so iPhone users see "Apple Search" instead of DuckDuckGo which the vast majority will never have heard of) won't affect your use of DDG which would still look the same. In fact, if they had all of Apple's traffic going their way, they'd have a lot more money to further improve their service.

The only way it should make a difference for you is if:

1) They drop their one claim to fame to provide Apple with personal data, which Apple has no real use for since they aren't an advertising behemoth like Google

2) You hate Apple so much you refuse to use anything that is even associated with them, in which case you should not use Google either, because they are currently paying Apple $3 billion a year as per the article

Taken a while but finally here's the first proper smart-home gizmo

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Re: First "proper" smart home gadget?

And that 'stress reduction', 'security' or 'laziness' scenario requires individually addressable light bulbs why, exactly?

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First "proper" smart home gadget?

When I read that headline I thought it was going to be something actually useful, which a 'smart' light bulb is not. Having greater compatibility with different smart home vendors doesn't make it useful, sorry.

Red Hat banishes Btrfs from RHEL

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Re: Anyone else just use ext4?

I use ext4 at home, and always thought I might someday switch to btrfs when it became the default in Fedora. Guess I'm going to continue to stick with ext4, I see no benefit in switching to ZFS or XFS.

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After so many version of Fedora that promised brtfs as the default filesystem

Now they're binning it entirely? I find it hard to believe that lack of encryption was the only reason, especially since 1) every enterprise drive already supports encryption and 2) you can implement it using md.

I'll bet this has something to do with politics and Oracle.

Batteries that don't burn at the drop of a Galaxy Note 7? We're listening

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No one NEEDS more than one day's battery life from their phone

You have to be the king of lazy to think it is too big of an imposition to charge your phone overnight. If you really need more battery life, there are plenty of cases made that have batteries built in so if you charge that as needed you can have effectively unlimited battery life if you think you must have it.

Not that anyone would refuse an advance that gave their phone a month of battery life, but it just doesn't matter in the real world. Whatever you do, there's a hard limit on how much power a phone can actually use at once - it can dissipate a limited amount of heat so there really isn't any way to make phones that use more power than today's do.

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To reply to a few concerns

First, the "this may take a long time / never appear" worry: This guy invented the lithium ion batteries we use in billions of devices around the world today! He's not some nobody who needs to hype a half finished may-never-work technology to get grant funding. He probably wouldn't want to make it public unless he thought it was almost ready, he's 94 years old so he won't want to be remembered for hyping a big flop as his last act. So I think this is a rather baseless concern.

Second, the "you will need super thick wires to charge a car at the speed this is capable of" worry: Just because you can charge a car from dead battery to 100% in X minutes, doesn't mean you need to design your systems to actually do so. Certainly not at home, where you would just 'top up' nightly.

There's several ways to handle the desire for fast charge on a long trip. One, if you have enough battery for say 1000 miles, just assume no one will drive longer than that in a single day and will have plenty of time to charge overnight. Two, don't charge a car's batteries at the service station, swap them. Three, the grid can charge some jumbo sized underground batteries at the service station, which when you drive over them 'plugs in' from below with really thick conductors and charges your car very quickly. The primary limitation then becomes how big the grid connection to the service station is - i.e. how much power it can draw to charge the jumbo storage batteries in 24 hours versus how much power it needs to push out to charge all the cars that arrive.

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The inventor of Li-ion batteries already has the replacement ready

I saw something on PBS about it. Dude is like 90 years old and still comes into the lab every day. The new one can be punctured while running and it continues to work. Doesn't have any way to catch fire (well maybe it will if you put it in a fire) and lasts many more charging cycles. He was in the process of working out how to manufacture it in volume and was then going to license the technology.

Revealed: The secret CEO texts that tell the tale of Uber-Waymo's self-driving tech spat

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Re: One sided text conversations

The claim was that they have only one side of a conversation between two people. If you have the 30 day deletion set on your phone it won't delete anything off MY phone. I will still have both sides of our complete conversation.

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One sided text conversations

Hold on, how does Levandowski's phone not have the messages sent to him? Whether an iPhone or an Android, both sides of a conversation are saved, so even if Kalanick's "30 day delete" thing is true the messages he sent aren't getting deleted on other people's phones!

Slurping people's info without a warrant? That's OUR JOB, Google, Facebook et al tell US Supreme Court

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Re: IT's not all bad (sic).

Excusing it when it catches murderers (or terrorists, or pedophiles, or nazis...) means you excuse it for all crimes. Why not use your cell phone location data to see you were at point X at 3:00 and point Y at 5:00, and those points are 150 miles apart but the speed limit is only 65 mph on the interstate between those points. Here's your ticket in the mail!

If they had some reason to suspect them, filed a subpeona to legally get their cell phone data, and it provided corroborating evidence, that's fine. But if they arrested those guys because they "looked suspicious", then gained access to their location data without a court order I'd prefer that evidence was thrown out of court. Otherwise you are basically saying that the government can track anyone everywhere they go, and the only way they can avoid it is to choose not to use the single most important piece of new technology to come around in the last few decades.

If protecting my constitutional rights means some murderers get away, that's fine. A lot of criminals have got away scot free over the years because of the Constitution. If you want to catch them all you'll need to live in a place with a lot less freedom than we enjoy today. If you want to live there, don't fuck up the laws for me here. Find a country that already has those laws.

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