* Posts by DougS

12863 posts • joined 12 Feb 2011

Elon Musk offered no salary, $55bn bonus to run Tesla for a decade

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Why doesn't he base it on ability to actually make cars?

Given that the issues they are having with getting the model 3 to mass production, the stock price is based mostly on hype right now. For the company to actually be successful, they have to find a way to fix their production issues.

Death notice: Moore’s Law. 19 April 1965 – 2 January 2018

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"golden era of single-threaded computing"

Ended over a decade ago. Intel hasn't managed to even double single threaded performance in that time, when that used to happen around every couple years. Which yeah Moore's Law doesn't say anything about, but back in the day doubling your transistor budget and shrinking their area by half had tangible performance benefits beyond "hey, more cores!"

Aut-doh!-pilot: Driver jams 65mph Tesla Model S under fire truck, walks away from crash

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Re: Cut collisions by 40 per cent?

I imagine any modern vehicle with collision avoidance would cut collisions by something like 40% even if all it did was emergency brake when there was something way. Minor rear end collisions are common in stop and go traffic, and the growth in texting over the past decade has surely increased the prevalence of such collisions (at least on vehicles without any avoidance features)

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Wonder what the excuse will be this time?

With the guy whose car drove under the truck it was claimed the truck was "hard to see" against the sky, and the height of the trailer didn't make it obvious there was an obstruction.

Now we have a big red truck with flashing lights and the car slammed right into it at high speed. Seems they have some MAJOR problems with their software! Obviously only an idiot would rely on it since it isn't intended to be an "autopilot", but it is hard to imagine how it can be so broken as to not see that big honking truck.

Swipe fright: Tinder hackers may know how desperate you really are

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If you are using Tinder in a public place

Surely some people will be able to see your screen and see what you're doing even if you had encrypted communications.

Of all the things hackers who are snooping public wifi traffic might care about grabbing, I think people's Tinder habits are WAY down the list. Talk about pointless worrying!

Under fire for its shoddy response, FCC finally wakes up to Puerto Rico

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To be fair

It makes sense that bringing cell sites back online isn't going to be linear, but become harder the fewer there are left - many of them are probably in more remote areas that are harder to get to, may still have issues getting electricity, etc.

It's 2018 and your Macs, iPhones can be pwned by playing evil music

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Re: Dream On Apple

Google and Amazon make money by collecting data to use to deliver ads, and by selling stuff and taking a small cut on each sale, respectively. They can sell these devices at cost or even at a loss and still make money. Apple is only making money on the hardware sale, so they can't compete on price and target the mass market like the others do. Google and Amazon's strategy relies on selling as many as possible, Homepod can be successful even if it never gets more than the 5-15% market share the Mac and iPhone have.

I'm still skeptical about these devices in general, I have no desire to have anyone's in my home. Even ignoring the privacy concerns, these things can't do anything your phone can't do. Oh yeah, you can come up with corner cases like asking it to turn on your lights when you have your hands full with groceries and can't get your phone out of your pocket but if I felt that problem was big enough I needed to spend money to solve it I'd install a motion activated light between the garage and kitchen...

We're cutting F-35 costs, honest, insists jet-builder Lockheed Martin

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Its expensive because

It costs a lot to make a kitchen sink fly!

Electronic voting box makers want kit stripped from eBay – and out of hackers' hands

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Re: Admin passwords in the user manual

While I don't think paper ballot into reader systems (which I use here as well) should be replaced until they are EOL, I would like to see touchscreen voting where the touchscreen prints a human readable ballot which the voter inserts into the reader.

That way the voter can verify that his votes are correctly recorded, human recounts can be done, and those recounts will be indisputable because every vote will be clearly marked - no arguing about the voter's intent when one circle is filled in and another has an X through it.

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Want to make congress act to secure voting machines?

Spread rumors on both political fringes that the 'other guys' have spent millions to recruit top hackers to compromise the machines and cheat in elections and guarantee an everlasting all blue or all red future and let the echo chambers start echoing.

If one thing will motivate congress to act, it is putting the fear of losing into the majority on each side who believe themselves to have invulnerable "safe seats" thanks to gerrymandering or simply being in a very blue or very red state.

What do people want? If we're talking mainstream enterprise SATA SSDs, reliability, chirps Micron

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Man I would have been all over a 7.68GB SSD in 1998, though finding a SATA card would have been a bit of an issue...

OK, who had 'Montana' in the net neutrality state pool? Congratulations

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Re: This may be a trial balloon

You're right, I had read this story elsewhere and either misread it or they got it wrong. I thought they were requiring net neutrality within the state not just to provide service to state offices.

In a state as small as Montana they're probably the same thing, however.

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This may be a trial balloon

Literally and figuratively. This will inevitably be challenged by those opposed to net neutrality, but Montana is a small state with few ISPs so it should be able to move through the courts fairly quickly compared to a state like California or NY.

A state being able to simply declare "net neutrality is the law within our borders" like Montana has just done would be the ideal for proponents, but it is the method of undoing Pai's work that is least likely to succeed. California, NY and other large blue states will probably still proceed along the lines of "you can't get state contracts if you don't enforce net neutrality for customers located in our state" since the federal government can't stop them but that's something only really large states can make work. If Montana succeeds they can always adopt their policy down the road, though by that point it probably wouldn't matter as net neutrality would effectively be the law of the land and the FCC wouldn't be able to stop it.

29 MEEELLION iPhone Xs flogged... only to be end-of-life'd by summer?

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I always thought the X would be one and done

Next year's 5.8" OLED model that follows the X won't be $999, I think it is more likely to be $899 or perhaps $849 (because they won't need to price it high to limit demand to match supply and won't have yield problems on the sensors driving up the cost) That means they'd have to cut too much off the price of the X to keep it around as "last year's model". Besides, they have SO many models now and are adding another one (a 6.2" LCD version as the cheaper option below the 5.8" OLED and 6.5" OLED) so keeping the X around is just too much.

President Trump turns out the lights on solar panel imports into US

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Not going to matter in the long run

Maybe Trump really did this to protect nearly non-existent US solar panel manufacturing, but more likely he did it at the behest of his coal buddies who are upset that wind and solar are becoming price competitive with coal (and natural gas is much cheaper) It would be in line with other things his administration has done to help out that dying industry like relax the rules that try to prevent coal ash spill disasters like the one in North Carolina a couple years ago.

However, panel prices are only about a third of the cost of utility scale PV installations, so a 30% tariff will only raise the price of utility scale installs by 10% - turn the clock back a few years at most. It would have even less effect on the total price of residential installs, where the relatively larger labor component means panel prices are even less of the total cost.

It would save money for the US overall to quit trying to protect the dying coal industry, and simply pay a pension to those who have been working in the mines for so long they are too old to retrain, and retrain the rest who knew going in working in the coal mines wouldn't be something they'd still be doing at retirement age. Also offer some federal economic incentives for businesses to relocate to coal country like West Virginia to diversify their economies.

Murdoch to Zuckerberg: Cough up cash, nerd

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Hold back the findings until you pay?

So you have reputable news outlets with bland headlines typical of reputable news outlets, and less reputable outlets with the sort of sensationalistic headlines internet outlets use to get more clicks.

I'm afraid that would only further empower rags like the National Enquirer, not lead to better funding for those doing real journalism like the New York Times and Wall Street Journal.

Facebook grows a conscience, admits it corroded democracy

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Re: Next step


While Facebook can be deliberately abused by outsiders intent on pushing a particular narrative, there's a worse problem that is by-design. Association with 'friends' and the way Facebook decides what to show you mean everyone on Facebook is in their own little reality bubble.

If you mostly click on liberal news stories from sites like Occupy Democrats, you'll be shown more liberal news stories that other people who clicked on the same Occupy Democrats stuff also read. Ditto for conservatives who mostly click on conservative news stories from sites like Breitbart. I'm not saying it is Facebook's job to expose us to a variety of viewpoints, but they should take some deserved blame for the political polarization we face not only in the US but also other places around the world. The first step to a solution is for those who can change things to accept blame...

UK Army chief: Russia could totally pwn us with cable-cutting and hax0rs

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What's the military risk of the UK havings its cables cut?

OK sure the citizens can't get their daily Facebook fix, but surely there's enough infrastructure that resides within the UK as well as satellite links for critical defense related stuff that it would be more of an attack on the business interests of the UK rather than something that's a military problem.

Squeezing more out of slippery big tech may even take tax reforms

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Apple wasn't "tempted"

The new tax law requires companies with overseas cash they never repatriated to pay taxes on it, which is due over a period of eight years. I assume Apple will be paying that $38 billion over eight years, unless there is some advantage to them of paying it all up front (i.e. maybe the IRS is charging interest if you pay over time which you can avoid if you pay up front)

"Leave the cash overseas and continue to indefinitely delay paying taxes on it" which had been their strategy since the Bush repatriation holiday in 2004 is no longer option for any company. But they don't have to worry about it in the future, as overseas income will no longer be subject to US taxes.

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If you tax land

Food costs will skyrocket, which is rather a bad thing for poor people who spend a relatively higher percentage of their income on food.

I'm sure Wall Street would love this, because they make a lot of money in a building with the footprint of a single Manhattan office block. A $50 Big Mac wouldn't be a concern for them.

Meltdown/Spectre week three: World still knee-deep in something nasty

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Intel "shouldn't be selling CPUs?"

Even if it can be fixed via software? Or would a fix that reduced performance by even 0.01% be unacceptable to you?

Do you understand how long the design cycle is for making the type of architectural changes that would be required to fix this in hardware? Intel would have stopped selling CPUs in June (without explanation) and not start selling them again until the end of this year at the very earliest.

What's the world supposed to do for CPUs in the meantime? Even if AMD's CPUs were 100% bug free, for many workloads they are slower than Intel CPUs with the fixes applied. So that's not exactly a good solution. But the bigger problem is that they can't possibly make enough to supply the market, and PC sellers can't just slot in an AMD CPU to their existing models. It would take 6-9 months for them to redesign them to accommodate AMD CPUs on an AMD motherboard with AMD drivers - though realistically we all know Intel would be telling them "we will have new CPUs for you before you can get those AMD machines out, so don't even bother trying" and by the time the PC OEMs figured out Intel was lying they'd have the new CPUs almost ready.

Your suggestion would quite likely cause enough of a hit to the world economy to be noticeable in the GDPs of the US, EU, and China. Meltdown / Spectre are bad, but far from end of the world bad.

You get a lawsuit! And you get a lawsuit! And you! Now Apple sued over CPU security flaws

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Re: Shysters at work.

You must be a lawyer, because only a lawyer would seriously argue liability for a flaw that no one even knew was possible until last year. Suing Apple is small potatoes, you are also arguing for suing Intel and all the major PC suppliers who have known about this flaw since last summer just like Apple, and didn't deliver a fix until recently just like Apple.

Not to mention suing Samsung, Qualcomm, Google, and other major smartphone brands who also knew about this flaw for months and continued to sell phones and SoCs. The little guys are off the hook since they weren't in the loop until everyone else found out.

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Re: Shysters at work.

Not as a separate product no, so they aren't providing you specific information on that. Nor are they providing you specific information on the wifi chip it has, the glass used in the screen or the paint used to silk screen the writing on the back.

I guess you think Ford is going to give you detailed specs and metallurgical analysis on the pistons in the Mustang you buy?

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@ST are you being obstinate or are you just a moron?

Apple had already released the iOS updates that fixed this PRIOR to the early disclosure, so saying "they didn't absolutely nothing about neither until the vulnerabilities were publicly exposed" is 100% wrong. Shouldn't all the downvotes without any upvotes your posts are receiving be a clue?

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Re: Shysters at work.

In this case, Apple is both the "chip house" and OS vendor.

In the case of Intel CPUs, the flaw is mitigated in software so Intel depends on Microsoft, Redhat, Apple and others who sell products incorporating Intel CPUs to make the fixes.

Google 'Intel errata' and you'll find that every CPU Intel has ever sold has a lengthy list of flaws. Most aren't security issues, are corner cases and so forth but those that can be fixed (and not all can, others are just listed as "here's a bug you have to accept if you buy a Skylake") all fixed in software. Whether that's a microcode update that is delivered in firmware or a patch, or by an OS workaround, or (in more cases than you'd think) by compilers working around it, Intel can't guarantee the fix since they don't control the software environment of their CPUs.

Now Google "Apple errata" or "Samsung errata" and you'll find nothing, because Apple and Samsung don't release errata information for their SoCs. And why should they, when they don't sell them on the open market to end users. But you can be sure both do have plenty of errata, because you can't build devices with billions of transistors without having plenty of bugs in your design.

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"responsible for products sold since they were aware of the problem"

So are you saying you think Apple should be responsible for products they sold after they became aware of the problem but before the fix was available? What should they have done, taken iPhones off the market during that time? Do you say that just about this particular flaw (and if so, why?) or about ANY sort of 0 day found against iOS?

If so, should Intel have pulled all their CPUs off the market - with no explanation - last June when they became aware of this, until patches for all operating systems were ready? When someone finds a 0 day on Windows, should Microsoft contact Dell, HP, Lenovo and so forth and order them to quit selling PCs and servers until they have a fix?

As for the date, that would be trivial to pin down. Apple will know when they were contacted about it, and whoever contacted them (the original bug discovered, Intel, not really sure who that was) will also know. That would be easily learned during the discovery phase during the trial process. I suppose you could argue that the correct date is when they did some testing and became certain their SoCs were vulnerable, rather than when they were notified "here's a problem with Intel CPUs, and maybe you want to check your own".

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@ST Re: Companies always withhold details of security flaws

The information was planned to be publicly announced at CES, but people saw the footprints in Linux patches and figured it out early. Apple, Intel et al weren't conspiring to keep this a secret forever, just for a couple weeks longer than it was.

What's your alternative, to announce details of it before anyone has patches to mitigate it ready so attacks can begin? Should vendors not coordinate, and instead make a mad rush to release patches as quickly as possible (and hope they don't break stuff) because they are worried someone else might beat them to it? Sounds like a high tech game of chicken.

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How would binary blob patches prevent this lawsuit?

Ignoring the fact that all iOS updates are "binary blob patches" since iOS isn't open source...

They are suing because Apple knew about the flaw and continued selling products despite that knowledge. Between the time they were notified of the flaw and the time they released a fix (whether it is a binary blob patch or an update that includes full source code as in the case of Redhat) they were knowingly selling iPhones etc. that incorporated the flaw. That's the (stupid) basis of this lawsuit.

Unless the security researchers who find the flaw somehow prepare a binary blob patch themselves and give it to Apple - which Apple immediately releases as an update without taking any time to test it - there would be a window where Apple knew of the flaw but continued selling products. I guess every time they are notified of a flaw they could pull all products from the shelves and quit selling them online, but you'd find it pretty hard to buy a cell phone, computer, TV, wireless router, car or pretty much any product that runs software since they'd be off the market pretty much 100% of the time if they were forced to adopt this policy to avoid lawsuits!

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Companies always withhold details of security flaws

Every time a research finds a hole and doesn't release details until the company can fix it, which is the norm for Apple, Google, Microsoft, Intel and so forth, they are selling products they "know are vulnerable."

The lawsuit is stupid. If the judge found them liable for this the only remedy would be for companies to release details of security flaws the moment they are notified, which would be bad for everyone but the black hats.

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Re: But will it get fixed?

It has already been fixed via an iOS update. Since phones aren't doing the kind of heavy virtualized I/O that can lead to the up to 30% performance penalty observed on x86 cloud servers, there hardly any performance difference.

Have three WINEs this weekend, because WINE 3.0 has landed

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Wine is still a thing?

Given that VMware Player does a FAR better job, and is free for noncommercial use, I have a hard time seeing why anyone would futz around with Wine unless they like major limitations and endless frustration.

Text bomb, text bomb, you're my text bomb! Naughty HTML freezes Messages, Safari, etc

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Re: "Do not use for bad stuff"

He clearly wanted attention and he'll get way more attention by spreading a bug without a fix so it has a real impact and gets noticed by the Register, rather than notifying Apple and only disclosing after the patch is out when it is out. Had he done the latter, it would just be in the list of fixes for iOS 11.3 or whatever and neither the Register or anyone else would mention him by name.

Wanna motivate staff to be more secure? Don't bother bribing 'em

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Re: "Report spam/phishing" buttons

Training people to recognize spam and phishing? You're joking, right? That's like trying to train people who can't recognize sarcasm to recognize it, or training people who are always confusing there/their/they're in emails to get it right. You can't just assume that because many people can do something that everyone can learn to do it.

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Re: "Report spam/phishing" buttons

How is someone who is likely halfway around the world going to know you've muted alerts from a certain user and they should be targeted?

I don't think being alerted about spear phishing really helps - if the person knows it is phishing they won't fall for it whether or not they can alert you, and if they don't know it is phishing they will fall for it and wouldn't have alerted you anyway.

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"Report spam/phishing" buttons

I think that would work fine if it they could be deactivated or "muted" for clueless users. That is, if admins get three obvious false positives from a certain user, remove the button for them or have him hitting it ignored by the system. After a while you'd only be getting reports from users who are smart enough to tell the difference between that and legitimate email (or at least smart enough that the admins have to do a little research before they figure out which category it belongs in)

Giving the ability to create more work for the admins to everyone, including the Dunning-Kruger class of users, is a bad idea. If only a few people get a particular spam or phishing email there isn't anything you can/should do about it anyway, if a lot of people get it then one of the smart users who gets to keep their report button privileges will get it and you'll be notified quickly enough.

Destroying the city to save the robocar

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@Phil Lord

I am going to guess you live in the UK or perhaps an area of Europe or the US with a similar climate, where it never gets particularly hot and if it does get close to hot it isn't very humid. Most of the US gets very hot and humid at times during the summer, with heat indexes reaching over 100F on some days. You can't bike three miles or even one mile without getting very sweaty unless it is downhill all the way. Some days you would be drenched in sweat just walking a few hundred feet to your car.

I ride my bike all the time and there are plenty of days in June, July and August when I'm already pretty sweaty when I reach the city limits which are about two miles from where I live. And this is in the midwest where while it gets as hot and humid as it does anywhere in the south it does it for a far fewer number of days per year (and over a longer portion of the year than just June - August) In Florida the number of days per year I'd have to deal with these conditions would be at least 10x higher.

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Re: @Tom 38 - leveling the land

AC - I was talking about "easy" in terms of leveling the ground so there are no hills to make biking easier, not talking about the weather.

I agree bad weather is a problem for biking, though once in a while I'll see people riding their bikes to work in the snow with the air temperature below zero (Fahrenheit!) so it can be done. It just shouldn't.

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@Tom 38 - leveling the land

Let's start with San Francisco. Once that's done everywhere else will seem easy by comparison.

Make Apple, er, America Great Again: iGiant to bring home profits, pay $38bn in repatriation tax

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Not quite what it seems

The hiring in the US they promise over the next five years is actually slightly less than the hiring they've done in the US over the past five years, so no additional benefit from the tax cut. The capital expenditures they are promising in the next five years is 1/3 of their projected capital spending (using the last couple years as a baseline) and Apple makes 36% of their revenue in the US so that's pretty much exactly what you'd expect and again nothing extra from the tax cut.

The main reason they're doing this is to counter the inevitable backlash they'll get when they announce what they plan to do with the bulk of the $200 billion after tax amount they're bringing home. They're going to increase buybacks and dividend growth, i.e. return it to shareholders. It isn't going to result in any more jobs created or investment made in the US than if the tax law hadn't passed and they had to keep that money overseas.

Still that $38 billion, and the tens of billions from other companies bringing money home, will create a one time drop in the deficit for 2018 which I'm sure Trump will take credit for. And then when it inevitably goes back up again in 2019 because that one time shot in the arm is over, he'll blame the democrats, or Mueller investigation, or whatever.

Hehe, still writing code for a living? It's 2018. You could be earning x3 as a bug bounty hunter

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A lot easier to make 3x as much if you live in a low wage country

Since bounties are fixed, not adjusted for local salaries.

'No evidence' UK.gov has done much to break up IT outsourcing

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Re: Towers?

I think divvying contracts up by tower to different companies will just be a fad. The savings are real, for sure, but you pay for it by more stuff falling through the cracks and more finger pointing when the shit hits the fan.

Drone crashes after operator failed to spot extra building site crane

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@jake "if your job was the survey the building site"

If a crane has been moved 30 feet on a 10 acre site it doesn't matter whether that's your job or not you're probably not going to notice it when you step onto the property. That's the whole reason you are using a drone, so you can catch all the changes that are not obvious to your eye and fallible human memory. If you have to memorize the locations of everything, why bother with a drone?

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@Chris G - cursory survey of the site

If you visited a construction site with a few cranes on it, then a few weeks/months later visited the same site, would you be able to easily tell if a crane had been added or moved?

Any drone operated autonomously via waypoints needs to have built in collision avoidance IMHO. They should not be allowed to operate autonomously otherwise. It is not just a problem of cranes, what about birds, other drones, hot air ballons, TV helicopters or whatever else might be in the area while the operator stupidly lets it follow waypoints like some sort of drugged up bloodhound?

What do Cali, New York, Hawaii, Maine and 18 other US states have in common? Fighting the FCC on net neutrality

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Re: Hey Big John

Congress SHOULD be the one to do this yes, but this and a lot of other far more important things (like say, budgets) no longer get passed by congress, so I'm not holding my breath for them to act on net neutrality.

Politics is broken because it is too partisan. I saw an interesting poll last month where they asked Americans "do you support net neutrality" and about half the self-identified republicans supported it. Then they asked the question again, after stating that republicans wanted to eliminate this Obama era rule and half of the republicans who supported it the first time they asked changed their answer. That's tribalism in a nutshell. Its not just republicans of course, I'm sure with a different question you could get as many democrats to shift positions for the same reasons.

As for why it is so partisan now I blame the internet, because everyone can cocoon themselves in a safe little bubble where they hear only one side, which normalizes extreme viewpoints. They vote for a like minded extremist in primaries and we end up with tools in office who think compromise is a bigger sin than rape or murder.

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Hey Big John

In case you missed it, we ALREADY saw some of the bad effects of the lack of net neutrality a few years back (before the FCC declared Title II regulation to try to enforce net neutrality)

I guess you think it was a "win for a free market" when Verizon throttled Netflix for their customers, because they wanted to extort Netflix to pay them money on top of what their customers were already paying them for internet service. And/or drive traffic to FIOS TV's VOD offerings. Win/win for Verizon either way.

They even did that with a democrat in the White House who was supportive of efforts to institute net neutrality. Imagine what they'd do if it was settled law that net neutrality would not be enforced.

Very few people in the US have three viable broadband options. A minority (those with a competitive fiber alternative or Centurylink VDSL2) have two options. The vast majority of US households have only one. I guess you think a monopoly being able to push customers around to pad their profits is another free market win?

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I'm in favor of net neutrality, but

How can they sue claiming the FCC doesn't have authority to use an administrative action to reverse an administrative action the FCC did a couple years ago?

They should give up on this foolish lawsuit and pass state level laws that require net neutrality within the state of any ISP that wants state contracts. The federal government cannot stop them from doing that. With big states like NY, California and Illinois likely on board, ISPs would probably find it not worth the trouble to not go along with it nationwide.

Today in bullsh*t AI PR: Computers learn to read as well as humans (no)

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That's the simplest possible type of question you could ask. A simple fact. Ask it "what rivers run through California and another state?" and Google is clueless. The closest it comes to being useful is providing a Wikipedia link to the list of rivers in California. You can click each one, one by one, and see if it runs through another state to compile your list. Google isn't able to do that for you, even though it is something even a four year old could accomplish.

Android snoopware Skygofree can pilfer WhatsApp messages

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Re: Skygofree spreads through web pages

If so, it is only one hack against a major site or major ad network away from infecting millions of devices.

Private submarine builder charged with murder of journalist

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Only 15 years?

WTF is wrong with their laws? He planned to kill her, carried it out, desecrated her remains trying to hide his crime, and lied about it. If that's only 15 years what is rape, a couple years? Is mugging a weekend of your choice in jail and a $50 fine?

UK's Just Eat faces probe after woman tweets chat-up texts from 'delivery guy'

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Not having the customer's phone number won't help

He knows where she lives! Instead he'll show up at her door, or leave a note on her car (if it is a house with a driveway or a space marked by apartment number it would be easy to tell) which would leave her feeling even more violated.

Creepers are gonna creep, the only solution is to fire them immediately when this sort of thing happens.

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