* Posts by DougS

12863 posts • joined 12 Feb 2011

Apple: We could expose our WHOPPING 12 INCH iPad - but it's not real

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Keeping pushing that fantasy out, analysts

They've been pushing this idea for years, and every time the date when Apple is supposedly going to release it draws near, they make up some reason why "Apple is pushing it back". They can't admit they believed a rumor, which was possibly even planted by Apple to mislead people on the direction it is going, so they keep claiming it has been pushed back again and again. You'd think Apple was the most incompetent company in the world, that with all their money they can't get their hands on a supply of 12.9" display panels until after Christmas! You know, the same size that is used in countless millions of laptops around the world?

When Apple announced the March 9th event, I saw a couple suggestions the jumbo iPad might be announced. I guess when there was not a single spy photo of it to be found with less than a week to go, they were forced to admit there was no way that was happening so now "oh, it will be next year" is the story.

Mummy, what's the point of Evgeny Morozov's tedious columns?

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"that tech that y'all spend your time upon"

True, people spend a lot of time on Facebook, and it is free, so even the poor have the same access to Facebook as Bill Gates.

You're ignoring however that they might be spending all that time on Facebook BECAUSE it is free. Given a choice between spending a Saturday afternoon doing free activities like Facebook, watching TV, taking a walk in the park, taking a nap, and tooling around in a megayacht, many might pick the latter. If megayachts were sitting around in the harbor waiting for someone who wants to borrow one like so many Boris Bikes, there might be a lot of people who prefer that to Facebook.

Though one of the big draws of a megayacht, equipping it with women with suggestive names who stick around until some sauve British spy comes along the sweeps them off their feet, would no longer result if the yachts were free for the taking by any old clod.

The poor have always had equality to the rich in terms in certain things, and while that list may grow as technologies are invented that aren't so expensive they are limited to the megarich, that doesn't constitute greater equality unless they are things people want to do. When the poor don't have enough to eat, getting enough to eat makes a difference. When the poor get Facebook, just because they spend a lot of time on Facebook doesn't mean they've gained equality.

D-Link removes fingers from ears, preps mass router patch

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Re: Buffer overflow on ping?

Or you could just load in a new firmware via the router's update interface. The only reason you'd need to do it via ping is to reprogram someone else's router.

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Buffer overflow on ping?

Welcome to 2000, DLink!

Apple Pay a haven for 'rampant' credit card fraud, say experts

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Cloning the "chip"

Got any references to this? You can't just read it via NFC, the chip is a tiny CPU and contains a private key you can't access. OK, you can probably use an electron microscope to read the chip if you know what you're doing and, you know, have an electron microscope, but if you're able to do that you can probably commit some more lucrative crimes instead of wasting your talents on card cloning.

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Since Apple Pay is only in the US, you need to realize that in the US there is no "chip" and no "PIN" on a credit card number. It is processed with your signature alone. They'll take ANY scribble at all, they don't look at it and never check the signature on your card - I can say that for sure since I've never signed my cards! When you sign for a charge in person, it is considered "card present". If you phone in or web in an order there isn't a signature, so they ask for the three digit "security" code that's on the back of your card but not encoded in the mag stripe. That's "card not present" and the retailer pays a bigger cut for that type of transaction since fraud is more prevalent.

What the article is talking about is that getting someone's card number is enough to enter it into Apple Pay, and those transactions are considered "card present". I suppose they could bump up the security a tiny bit making you enter the three digit code so you have to actually have the card (in theory) but that's not going to help much since such info is readily available from all the online retailers that have their databases cracked and contain millions of customer card numbers & codes.

The best solution is what someone suggested above. In order to activate Apple Pay, the credit card company has to send you a snail mail letter to your billing address with a code that needs to be entered to activate the card in Apple Pay. That would make it less convenient and get rid of the instant gratification, but it would avoid the possibility of card numbers stolen online being used in this manner.

Google Chrome suffers brain freeze on Android Ice Cream Sandwich

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Re: Moving on..

Its funny that one of the Apple haters favorite tacks was claiming that Apple wants iPhones to be disposable and people to get new ones. Apple supported the 3gs with security updates almost five years after it first sold (and they might not be done yet...we'll see if they provide an iOS 6 update for that OpenSSL/SecureTransport bug mentioned earlier today on the Reg)

Apple makes a lot of money from selling an iPhone. They want to keep those customers happy. Aside from Samsung, Android OEMs make very little money or lose money selling Android phones, so it seems to me that unlike Apple they have little incentive (or funding) for supporting them after sale.

The argument against "Android fragmentation" has always been how Google apps can be patched independently of the OS, so even if your vendor doesn't give you updates Google can fix a lot of security issues by updating the browser, etc. So much for that idea!

You're outta here! Baseball star strikes out sleazy trolls who targeted teen daughter

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Re: get yer pitchforks

Sounds like an AC is worried that someday he might be outed for things he's said on Twitter, thinking he was safe and sound in his mother's basement.

FREAK show: Apple and Android SSL WIDE OPEN to snoopers

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Re: Stuck on old Android

About a year ago Apple released a security update for iOS 6 to version 6.1.6 - the latest version a 3gs can run which was ALMOST FIVE YEARS OLD at the time. I would not be shocked if a version 6.1.7 pops out in a few weeks, though maybe supporting the 3gs almost six years after its release is asking a bit much.

The situation with security patches for iOS is not even remotely comparable to Android. Try again.

BlackBerry gets flirty with QWERTY IP, launches $275 Leap

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Selling off patents?

I guess while they know they have a lot of valuable smartphone patents the only companies worth suing are Apple and Samsung, who both hold a lot of patents related to touch screen phones where Blackberry was MIA for years so at best such a battle would be a draw.

They are probably hoping on a smaller player who wants to compete on their level in a future IP battle like Xiaomi will be interested.

Microsoft to Android OEMs: 'Show me the money'

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Apple and Microsoft's existing cross licensing deal covers mobile devices.

Sick of Chrome vs Firefox? Check out these 3 NEW browsers

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Re: WTF?

I don't see any of those as an option. IE & Safari don't exist on Linux, Chrome I won't use because Google, and Opera has too small of a user base leading to too many web page incompatibilities. I already went through that when I used Mozilla and later the early versions of Firefox until it became widespread enough that web developers were forced to no longer code for IE only. I figure I've paid my dues, I'll let someone else deal with using a browser with a tiny market share hoping it gains traction.

Here comes Vulkan: The next generation of the OpenGL graphics API

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Re: Great...

How is this going to kill Microsoft off the gaming market? It might hurt Microsoft's aim of DirectX everywhere, but OpenGL runs on Windows, and so will this.

Do you think that all avid gamers will leave Windows if they can get equal or perhaps even slightly better performance on another platform? Where are they going to go? OS X? Linux? Or do you think they'll leave PCs behind entirely and game only on consoles meaning PS5 wins by default? Or do you think everyone will game on mobile, meaning Android and iOS?

Even if no one gamed on Windows, how is that going to kill Microsoft off the OS market as you suggest? Businesses don't care about gaming, they aren't going to switch. Dell isn't going to stop making and Best Buy isn't going to stop selling Windows PCs - not like any avid gamers are buying from either now.

Google dips toe into U.S. mobile market with 'small scale' offering

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Re: So Google can gather more information on you?

It isn't whether Google is more devious, it is the volume of information from a much larger and ever growing number of sources they have. The others you mention would have only a small piece of the whole, even if you have Verizon FIOS and cellular service, and Samsung phones and TVs, the data each can collect on your pales with what Google can collect if you use Android as well as Google Search and Maps on your PC.

Google Pay is the thing that's really dangerous here, IMHO. I don't have to worry about it because I'm an iOS user, and I don't particularly see the point of paying for stuff with my phone (whether Apple Pay or Google Pay) in any event. But imagine the power of knowing what products people search for, what ads for those products they see and where and when, what web sites related to those products they visit, and fill in the missing piece of what products people end up buying, from whom and how long after the first ads and web searches! Maybe even toss in what stores selling those products they visit in person (thanks to their phone's data collection) and Google is a marketers wet dream. How bad is advertising going to get if marketers figure out what things convert into purchases for you and for me, and can individually tailor their campaigns for each of us!

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So Google can gather more information on you?

It might be cheaper, but I'll definitely pass. At least if AT&T is gathering information on me they don't have mountains of other information to link it to like Google does.

Google's 'encrypted-by-default' Android is NOT encrypting by default

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Re: Google can too require it

So those low end shovelware Android phones would have had to stick with 4.4 instead of being allowed to use 5.0. So what? As 4.4 becomes longer in the tooth over time market pressures will force them to want to upgrade, and they'll have to do what is necessary to support encryption.

Doing it this way Google totally abdicated their responsibility to their users, as even high spec phones like the new Galaxy S6 do not encrypt by default. How is that in anyone's best interest? If Android 5.0 didn't give them the choice, they would have had to enable encryption.

Samsung didn't want to, because boo hoo it'll hurt their benchmark scores, and they're obviously worried about their new Exynos CPU's performance given the lies they spread about supposed heat issues with the Snapdragon 810 (see semiaccurate.com for a good writeup on this from one of the very few tech journalists that actually does journalism instead of repeating rumors & press releases like 99.9% percent of them, El Reg included)

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Google can too require it

Make it a condition of getting the Google apps, Google Play, etc. installed. There are already a lot of conditions Google puts on OEMs like this, and they tighten it up further on every Android release.

They shouldn't have let lousy hardware be an excuse - the phones with lesser hardware could stick with Android 4.4.

Marlinspike brings end-to-end crypto texts to iOS

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Re: Blimey

If end to end message encryption is enough to make you convert to iOS, you should convert. iMessage encrypts everything end to end using a key generated independently by the two devices. Apple cannot read the messages, and would have to redesign iMessage to do so.

A few cavets, however... Obviously iMessage only works for communication with other iOS users, you would need some sort of app like this to communicate with Android/WP users and they would have to use the same app. Messages you send to iOS users that fall back to SMS for whatever reason are sent in the clear across the cell network. Pretty sure there's a way to disable SMS fallback though. Finally, if you sync your messages to iCloud I believe Apple could read them off the server, they aren't encrypted specific to your device/account so while they're encrypted in transit and on disk in iCloud, it is using keys Apple controls. If you backup using iTunes you can encrypt the backup on your local disk with a password you select, a bit less convenient but more secure.

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iMessage already encrypts end to end!

The only value this brings to iOS users is the ability to end to end encryption when communicating with other users of this app who aren't iOS users.

The "catch" with iMessage encryption is if you sync your Messages with iCloud, while they are encrypted in flight and at rest, as I understand it Apple could read the there because that process doesn't use your device key. I've remained an iCloud refusenik because I want the data stored on iCloud to be encrypted with a key I control and so far as I know that's still not the case. So I do my backups via iTunes as it is encrypted on disk with a key I control.

Forget 1,000 lashes for Facebook posts, Saudis now want to behead blogger Raif Badawi

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Not unexpected with a new King

Typically repressive regimes become more repressive after the ascension of a new leader, as letting up would be seen as weak and embolden the opposition.

US court rubber-stamps dragnet metadata surveillance (again)

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Re: You best hope they don't really stop any time soon

Let's say that was true, and dropping this program means more people will die. So fucking what?!

If you think minimizing the number of deaths is the goal of society, why don't we have a 10 mph speed limit on all roads? There's no way terrorists will kill multiple tens of thousands of people a year like car accidents do in the US alone so how can you with a straight face recommend letting the NSA spy on innocent people in the name of saving lives while allowing other needless deaths to continue?

While you're at it, let's add some safety measures like mandating anti slip treatments in every bathtub, as well as ban dangerous activities like skydiving, skiing, boating, smoking and drinking alcohol. Women should probably also wear a lot more clothing, to prevent unnecessary deaths from skin cancer.

With such a major change in American society we might want to change our flag to symbolize this milestone. I'm thinking something that's mostly black...

Phabba-dabba-do: Samsung hypes up Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge

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Built in battery, no SD slot, no waterproofing?

That thundering sound you hear is the sound of millions of Samsung fanboys backtracking on their arguments why the iPhone sucks.

NERDGASM as Apple announces 'special event'

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Re: Oh, goody. I'm on tenterhooks.

So a smartphone is a powerful tool that one must understand how it works before people should be allowed to use it? You're just completely full of shit to a degree I've never encountered on the Reg before, I guess.

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Re: Could be the...

They previously said they'd bring Watch to market around this time. Do you really think they are timing announcements specifically because of Pebble? Or that they should politely set aside their own plans and wait for Pebble to come through with whatever they are kickstarting, and if Samsung announces something while they're waiting I guess they should stand aside for them as well? I guess you automatically discount the idea that Pebble started the whole kickstarter thing when they did knowing that Apple was going to announce their watch at any time?

If Apple announces something that causes people who were interested in Pebble to drop their plans to buy Pebble, too bad for Pebble. If Apple announces something that causes people who were interested in Apple to drop their plans to buy Apple and switch to Pebble, too bad for Apple. Welcome to the world of business (something you obviously have zero experience in)

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Re: Oh, goody. I'm on tenterhooks.

What a stupid comment. If the world required everyone to understand how something worked we'd be permanently stuck somewhere between the wheel and crop irrigation. Do you understand how a field effect transistor, giant magnetoresistance and LEDs work - without referring to any books or online sources, and well enough that if they didn't exist you could describe them to engineers who could build them? If not, STFU with your patronizing comments.

Some people don't care to understand how a product works, they just want it to do what what they ask of it. I don't recall getting a degree in mechanical engineering in driver's ed before I received my license...

FCC says cities should be free to run decent ISPs. And Republicans can't stand it

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They should compromise

Allow governments to run fiber/copper, but not run the ISP. It has to be leased at a standard price to any interested third party, under the proviso that they have to offer the same pricing to everyone on their system (i.e. no charging people in town where cable also compete less than people who live outside cable's reach and have no broadband option)

Wait, what am I thinking, there's no way democrats and republicans will compromise on anything!

I'm sure if some tea partiers had their way, they'd make it illegal for cities to provide water, sewer, trash pickup, or maybe even roads free to the public. "Tax dollars shouldn't be confiscated to provide services that private businesses can provide better!"

BP: Oil prices crashed, so must our ICT budget

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Re: Uh huh...

I'm sure if you asked him, he'd say he's 3x more valuable because he's "guiding them through challenging times"

Paranoid Android Kaymera smartmobe takes on Blackphone

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Re: $ecure payment$

Apple is already there, if you use Facetime it is encrypted end to end and Apple does not possess the technical means to decrypt it - the two phones use secure key exchange using device keys Apple does not hold to create a session key for the call. The infrastructure already exists for Apple to do this for all iPhone to iPhone calls. I hope they do it with iOS 9, even though (or especially because) it'll really have the government up in arms, a lot more than they were last fall when iOS and Android tightened things up for device encryption!

I'm sure Android has some similar provision for at least those phones using Google's services to do a secure key exchange. It would be a little more difficult to do iPhone -> Android encrypted calling by default, but I'm sure the clever people at Apple, Google and Microsoft could get together on an interoperable standard.

There should be no reason people have to rely on special firmware or special calling apps. Encrypted calling done in a way the phone/OS OEM doesn't possess the means of decryption needs to be built into all phones by default, and not rely solely on the SIM's encryption which we now know has been compromised by the NSA for years.

I know the "paranoid OS" is more than just secure calling, but that seems to be the thing this company is basing their offering on. Without secure calling having a secure OS is like having a high security lock on your house with an open window on the ground floor in the backyard.

And the buggiest OS provider award goes to ... APPLE?

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Only a moron would quote such a link without actually checking it!

Go to 2015, and look at the entries. The first one lists a security hole in Google Chrome. Somehow that's a flaw in the Linux kernel? If you look at their security list for Windows for 2015 and look at the first entry - same flaw in Google Chrome! In fact, a lot of the flaws listed for 2015 are from Chrome. That has nothing do with the Linux kernel, or Windows since Microsoft doesn't ship it with Chrome.

In other words, your link is as stupid as the article.

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Only need to read one thing to see this "research" is worthless

They claim the Linux KERNEL has all these vulnerabilities. No, Linux distributions do, but not the kernel. Kernel exploits are extremely rare (for any kernel, not just Linux) OpenSSH may ship with Linux distributions and up Linux's count for vulnerabilities, but that is not part of the Linux kernel.

These idiots don't even know that much - they actually listed "Linux kernel" in the vulnerability listing, that wasn't (as I expected) a Reg journalist error!

Errant update borks Samsung 850 Pro SSDs

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Re: Why did they upgrade firmware in the first place?

Its only hindsight if you think I wouldn't have said the same thing the day before. You would be wrong.

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Why did they upgrade firmware in the first place?

Was there a serious flaw this was fixing? Or was it just a bunch of idiots who upgraded because something newer became available, or it promised 0.2% more performance? And yes, they are idiots if they upgraded the firmware on a drive (SSD or spinning) that wasn't mirrored, RAIDed or backed up!

NEVER be an early adopter patching storage devices. NEVER. Let fools walk that plank before you, and upgrade only after it has been out a while without being recalled.

Check out our HOT AIR INTERFACE for 5G – Huawei

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That's only true if US/Euro carriers buy Huawei chips in their phones or cellular towers. They might still buy them from Qualcomm, except Qualcomm would be working with someone else's designs and the loss of royalties would make them a smaller player than they are today.

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FRAND royalties would hardly begin to compensate them for $600 million in development costs. But that's not the point, or the reason companies spend money like that to develop technology that must be offered on FRAND terms to be allowed into a standard. Huawei would earn a lot of international prestige for themselves and for China, and the value of that is such they'd probably be willing to license it royalty free. They'd also be experts in this technology, and have a jump on everyone else (especially rival Qualcomm) in developing chipsets that implement this.

Assuming it is as good as they say it is, and someone else doesn't come up with something better.

Net neutrality secrecy: No one knows what the FCC approved (BUT Google has a good idea)

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Re: Democratic process is heavily democratic

Exactly. This is the same thing the Bush administration did with the Energy Policy Task Force Cheney chaired. Administrations of either party always hide stuff from public debate when they're afraid the public won't like it - usually because it is full of giveaways to corporate interests. I'm sure Google won't be the only big company to get changes made before the public is allowed to see it, but by then it will be too late for us little people to do anything about it.

Money from apps? It's all about Apple iOS, says survey

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Pretty much. This is what all analysts need to learn, at least the ones who keep saying the iPhone is doomed if Apple doesn't address the low end market where all the smartphone growth is. Apple doesn't care to address the low end because they don't make money there, and developers don't make money there. Android's market share leadership is irrelevant, Apple has the majority of the high end, and 0% of the low end, and they're fine with that.

Google deal means game over for mobile payments firm Softcard

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So what exactly did Google buy that they didn't have before?

For a couple years I kept reading about how Apple is way behind Android because it doesn't support NFC, as they claimed NFC payments was going to be a huge thing - even though almost no one who had NFC phones used it. Apple added NFC to the iPhone, made a big splash about Apple Pay and got some people using it - not a lot, but enough that they were a majority of people using NFC payments in the US within a week after the iPhone 6's release.

So Google buys a struggling company trying without success to push NFC payments, but doesn't get any of their customer data. Google already had a NFC payments infrastructure, so what did they need Softcard for? It looks like what really happened is that Google bought them to shut down them down, so Google Wallet is the only alternative for those who can't/won't use Apple Pay.

Well, until the hundreds of millions of credit/debit cards in the US are replaced with NFC versions that support EMV over the next 18 months or so. Then the question will be: Why use either Google Wallet or Apple Pay? How is it better than just using your card? Google just threw away money as far as I can tell.

As an Apple shareholder, theoretically using Apple Pay benefits me a microscopic amount, as I own about a millionth of the company and get a millionth of Apple's share of 0.15% of my transaction amount. Not quite as good as my cash back credit cards, which give me 10,000,000x more :) If I use Google Wallet I get to give them my purchase info to feed into their ad slinging machine which gets me...more ads? Yeah, not much incentive there!

MELTDOWN: Samsung, Sony not-so-smart TVs go titsup for TWO days

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Re: Why would you even fix this?

What's a terrible idea is buying a TV that insists on resolving the OEM's domain as a "test" that the internet is working, and then assumes the internet is not working if that test fails. YDI.

Intel, Apple and Cisco crossed off Chinese Gov's kit list

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This isn't a big deal

Cisco was already going to lose after the US put Huawei on their banned list. Apple is irrelevant because they don't sell enterprise equipment - I doubt the Chinese government was buying a lot of Macs and iPhones so this won't make a dent in their sales.

Intel is even more irrelevant because they only sell CPUs. The Chinese government doesn't buy CPUs, they buy PCs. They aren't going to stop buying Lenovo PCs because they have Intel CPUs in them. Intel makes a lot more per PC sold than Lenovo does.

$533 MEEELLION – the cost of Apple’s iTunes patent infringement

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Re: Gotta love Apple.

No, they weren't. Without Apple funding the development of ARMv6, and then buying a bunch for the Newton, it wouldn't be around today. Your claim of 'vastly superior' is neither here nor there. The tech world is littered with superior technology that market forces dictated would lose to inferior technology. Or do you think that x86 was the best CPU architecture, DOS was the best operating system and IDE was the best interface standard for hard drives?

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Re: Gotta love Apple.

What does ARM have to do with anything? Apple licenses the ARM architecture, and designs their own CPUs that use that architecture. They don't use the ARM designed cores like A57 etc. and thus pay a different royalty structure than companies that do.

People should learn a little history: Apple was one of the FOUNDERS of ARM (the company that exists today, not the company that built Acorn computers that today's ARM was spun off from) Without their involvement, there would be no ARM architecture today, it would be a footnote in the computing history of the 80s.

Solidfire offers unlimited SSD wear guarantee, punts software at market

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Re: ...SSD warranties of up to five years...

The lifetime guarantees against wearout are only offered on enterprise storage, because enterprises won't take advantage of it. It just gives them peace of mind if they are worried about wearout. That was my point. A home user might hold onto stuff much longer, but no company will offer them a lifetime wearout warranty - can you imagine if SSDs had been sold to home users in 1995 and someone tries to claim on a worn out 500MB IDE SSD?

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Re: ...SSD warranties of up to five years...

Not to mention that enterprises aren't likely to have heavily used servers/storage that isn't replaced after 5 years, let alone 10. The 10+ year old servers some have kicking around are the ones that do little and are out of sight / out of mind.

To collect on an unlimited wear guarantee the SSD probably still has to be functional, just indicating too many bad blocks. They might pay out with a few customers who really are driving them to the max 24x7x365, but most customers will either be wildly overestimating how much data they write per day or only write at those rates during load peaks.

Finally, a decent use for big data: Weeding out crooked City traders

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Re: How are they planning on monitoring use of private communication channels?

The article is titled "Weeding out crooked City traders". Assuming crooked traders will follow the rules is probably not very smart if you actually want to catch them. A bank can make a rule that people can't wear masks inside the bank, but bank robbers might choose not to follow it.

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How are they planning on monitoring use of private communication channels?

Help from GCHQ to snoop personal email, bug their cell phones for location and call history and/or content information? You can figure out insider trading is happening if a certain trader is always on the right side of trades in a given company, and his phone's GPS comes within 2 meters of the GPS of the phone of that company's CFO. Because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Leaky battery attack reveals the paths you walk in life

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Re: Aside from "victims need only install an attacker's app"

Hold the button on top down and "slide to power off" comes up. I assume Android operates similarly, is that not "off" enough for you?

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Re: iOS approximating battery level to nearest 5%

Someone developing iOS added something like (battery / 5) * 5 for a reason. A lazy coder does not add code like that.

Amazon tries to patent 3D printers on trucks

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Re: How on Earth is this patentable?

I would tell you what I think, but I'm rushing to patent "3D printer on a drone" before someone beats me to it!

Google's Softcard hookup: Never mind Apple Pay ... it's about beating the networks

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Can the banks stop Google from collecting customer purchase data?

I suppose if they put it in the contract, but what is Google's incentive to cooperate with them if that's the case? Maybe they decide they want to cut the banks/payment processors out of the loop entirely and go their own way. Google Wallet starts using "Google Credit" instead of linking to a bank card, and you pay your bill each month just like a credit card.

Google will go to any lengths to get their grubby hands on this data, it is the crown jewel for their ad pushing empire. Imagine how much more advertisers would pay to not only find out what people search, what ads they click on, and what websites they visit, but also which of those searches, clicks and visits TURN INTO PURCHASES!

They can easily get retailers to put payment terminals in that would work with Google's payment system - give them the equipment for free, and waive the interchange fees! Google would make more money mining people's purchase data given that they already have so much other data about what people do leading up to a purchase that they could eat those costs, and deal a crippling blow to banks. Well, in theory, if they get customers to use it - but that's easy, just like they got customers to use Google's payment thing a few years ago - bribe them too! Everyone used Microsoft and Google's payment system for a hot minute 10 years ago because of the freebies, and everyone quit using it the minute the freebies went away. Google can probably afford to keep up with the freebies though given how much purchase data will be worth to them.

Glad I'm watching this one on the sidelines, and won't have to worry about Google finding out what I buy!

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Re: Insecurity

People are used to being pelted with ads, but with Google having access to more of people's lives at some point I think the creepiness factor will become a problem for them. If you browse the web and do Google searches on diapers, seeing ads for diapers and baby formula when you visit cnn.com (or whatever site that uses one of Google's ad companies like Doubleclick) is probably not

What happens if you buy diapers and then start seeing ads for them on your computer, even though you never searched for them or visited a baby site? People might not be too comfortable with something like that.

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