The coverage obligations that come with EE's ESN contract aren't far short ;-)
15 posts • joined 14 Jan 2011
Oh 4G, I'm speechless: EE network outage smacks rare breed of customer that talks into their mobile phone
Re: Coming to UK soon and will need a prepaid SIM
Well I'm not so sure. Thinking of the Highlands & Islands as a case-in-point, Voda & O2 historically shared their rollout and were first to cover many routes and areas. O2 went a bit further in some parts of the far north and for many years their geographic coverage was a few % more than VF. All based on 2G.
More recently EE have started to utilise their 800Mhz spectrum along with their 4G-ESN coverage obligations, and this gap has closed in most, if not all, areas. I'd speculate the coverage figures are pretty close now between VO2-2G & EE-4G, I suspect EE 4G has a marginal edge - providing you have a device & account capable of accessing the 800Mhz band.
Re: Needs to be on a phone to function? WTF???
Much sympathy with this.. WhatsApp is great for two things..
1: Exchanging texts with international contacts, avoiding international charges for both parties.
2: Exhchanging photos and videos - mobile plans include unlimited texts, but charge per message for anything else.
But for everything else... there's this great thing called "text messages" and "phone calls"
Re: Orange might have many customers..
It does seem that EE are slowly removing all the "value-added" freebie add-ons. Business customers recently lost Everyphone & Single Number services. Enterprise and big corporates are getting more comvergence-type stuff setup, but that aside for Joe Public...it's slowly becoming all about the network and "being the best" in that one department.
Whether that fits for you, is a whole debate.
Absolutely right... except for a couple of small details.
WIthin the "CTIL" setup, the install and operation of the actual network kit is done through the shared "single grid". In the west, Vodafone are responsible for the "joint" network, in the east it's O2. (Except London).
Within MBNL, the 3G is completely shared, 2G & 4G done separately by 3/EE. So unravelling this little conundrum could be one of the more interesting parts of any 3/O2 merger.
Re: Range v Capacity
Those issues genuinely shouldn't happen anymore, where they do - they can be as much todo with the device as the network. I used to have chronic "handover" problems like you describe on an old-2G only phone..they would only ever have been solved when the ex-Orange network code was switched off completely.
On a modern 3G-device, none of the above - totally seamless and the only clues to the two network codes actually in use are geeky ones!
Mind, if an Orange-2G cell currently covers the whole building, then you'll eventually get full 2G/3G/4G inside once the site is migrated into MBNL-proper.
Slightly amused by the whole "3 have signal where no-one else does", "only EE works here" etc comments..
3's RAN (radio network) is MBNL, co-operated with EE. As part of the EE network-integration, quite a few thousand ex-Orange sites are being integrated into MBNL. So in the short term, EE users have access to the MBNL network plus the ex-Orange estate. Once the integration is complete (last target was end-2014?), EE/Orange/T-M/3 will be using the same 3G network.
On 3G speeds, HSPA is being rolled out across MBNL, but in any given area there is a chance that there are ex-Orange sites not MBNL'd yet. They can drag 3G speeds down for EE users, until those sites are migrated. 3 users simply won't be accessing them for now.
Re: Maybe Not..
It's probably only to be expected that disconnections said what they did... they're not exactly going to get people calling up because they're happy with Orange/EE coverage. Disconnections agents tend to speak to people not happy with the operator's service for some reason..
As for the mobile coverage going down the pan, in the first year or so of "two networks running as one", there were always going to be teething problems as the whole roaming/inter-network handover technology was rolled out, and then became seamless. Oh, and the customer-facing staff are far removed from those actually involved in the network. There were some big problems in Northern Ireland too, but those are now almost resolved.
In other words, network service did get worse for a while before it got better - omelette and eggs theory applies. Oh, and I'm not an EE 4G user... 4G is definitely priced for early-adopters which I'm not. But I am seriously impressed with EE's network rollout on 3G & 4G, and a VERY satisfied Orange user on 2G & 3G... having first-hand experience of one of the Cornerstone networks and being very aware of how far behind they are.
Mind, that's one of the other problems - EE (the 4G brand) is competing with Orange & T-Mobile who have excellent 2G & 3G. (cue people with coverage problems on those networks to reply....). Having said all that... competition is a great thing, and the UK telecoms market would not be where it is now if it wasn't for EE very seriously "upping the game".
Virgin TV OnDemand
Remember of course, Virgin have two different versions of iPlayer/OnDemand
TiVo connects to the standard online iPlayer and streams the same content as at bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv via a dedicated 10Mb line
V/V+ content is specially encoded by the broadcasters for VM and stored on the local headend.. then delivered to your box as a conventional TV channel.
(One of many reasons I'm quite happy with V+ and specifically don't want TiVo)
Not just older phones
The BBC WML site was also very good for the "cheap and cheerful" low graphics content, especially useful if roaming abroad or you just wanted the information quickly without fuss.
Don't get me wrong, mobile web is a fantastic thing and times do move on - but the BBC's wasn't the only decent WML site that remained damn useful. There are times when "big and fancy" is a good thing, there are times that "cheap and cheerful" - or at least the choice - is also a good thing.
I'm only glad several other equally useful "WAP" sites remain functional, useful, alive and kicking. Ok you don't get the full and fancy functionality of the "mobile web", but just like some older phone models - you get "the basics", delivered quickly and without fuss.
If the development costs have already been spent, well... mine's the one with the "luddite" cap in the corner who believes in change for the sake of improvement but not for the sake of it.