A good response to EMC bulking up the VNXe and giving it Unisphere. EMC definately fired a shot with it's remote office management suite.
Competition is good.
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I bought some NetApp stock last week. Their numbers aren't that bad, they just are having issues with this all happening during a bad time for the Market.
EMC has absolutely taken back some of NetApp's share. Management keeps trying to blame the sales market (I forget the terms used), but nobody is buying it. The next step with a continued fall is to change up the upper management, but in the end NetApp is a major playor and there's nobody in the industry that needs what NetApp has enough to buy them. Engenio was a superb purchase for them, not for the hole in NetApp's portfolio, but because it's a product OEM'd by enough companies to make it a solid steady income.
The real winner is all the EMC VNX and NetApp customers enjoying lower prices.
CPUs: Most of the industry was still on Westmere or earlier. And no, Oracle is not using 10 core, they're using 6-core. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/engineered-systems/exadata/exadata-x2-2-datasheet-175368.pdf When your storage system is just a bunch of servers with an infiniband connection, yes, you can leverage processors faster. It doesn't change Oracle's lack of proactive sparing, obscenely small usable vs raw, price (10 million for 200TB raw), or EXTREME heat and power.
3PAR has an incredibly niche system. They don't do low end, they don't do middle, they have a very strong place in the lower end of the high end market. While they have enjoyed a technology lead in storage "software" with leading with thin provisioning, storage tiering, zero space reclaim, etc... they are now owned by HP which has had questionable success with development.
Why didn't they go past 8 engines? I have no idea, but they got to 4PB without expanding. Which leads me to laugh at "Certainly feels like EMC went back to the drawing board and reconsidered their original plans for a massively scaled out VMAX."
I mean, I realize you're referring to their earlier statements that they can address 255 engines, but when you just threw down a system with over 2x the capacity of everything else, why introduce that complexity when you can use it to come up with other uses for engines (the oft rumored here VMWare engines for example)
I'll wait to see the benchmarks, but it does appear that EMC knew they would have to drive more spindles, as all of the new cores are dedicated to the back end.
"EMC gets distributed sub disk raid, with the massive nearline drives coming in the future, traditional whole-disk RAID"
1. Sub disk: FAST VP
2. You can put SAS,SATA, SSD into their Arrays: massive nearline with 3TB SATA
3. Whole-disk RAID: Welcome to an industry issue
The real question is is this VPLEX running on VMAX or something else doing the federation.
If it's VPLEX, great. If not, then it leads to a couple points vs other vendors
It appears to have encapsulation, which makes it more appealing that NetApp's need to reformat the virtualized arrays to WAFL (unless you want all WAFL)
Which then leaves how disruptive it is versus HDS. If it's VPLEX levels or equivalent then its just planned outage on the host side (unless you can spoof WWN). HDS requiring no I/O on the storage ports is pretty disruptive unless you have free ports.
I had a much longer post, but then I realized it's not worth it. The problem is the analyst in question seems to need NetApp stock to go up in a rather major way, enough that it's almost getting to the point where someone should examine his bank account for NetApp payouts, or his portfolio for how much NetApp stock he has.
He also released a report saying NetApp will outperform EMC based on not thinking EMC will release as many products as they did last year and NetApp's release of 8.1 coming late in the year.
He's just a financial analyst that's been handed the Storage World, he is showing he doesn't understand it.
"espoused by NetApp a couple of years ago "
NetApp's almost the last one to arrive at the SSD dance (and certainly the last of the big market share owners). In fact, they've been derisive of the idea of SSD enough that they have only started supporting them in the last year. But don't worry, NetApp will use it's PAM cards to up it's performance claims, get sold into a customer, then drop the bomb that PAM cards only accelerate reads (SIGH) and that more disk will be required to actually allow the array to perform.
Violin saying it's now cheaper/GB is interesting, but I don't believe it. It's certainly cheaper/IOP
J-diskplatter-h Krisher's so heavily in bed with HDS every morning Hu asks him to pass the slippers.
He specifically says the NAS is more scalable (debatable), which is good, because the array side is pretty close to what you could get from most array vendors size/performance wise a generation ago. Well, to be fair, this generation too. None of the vendors want their midrange to embarass their high end do they?
He only talks performance with NetApp, using their 37xx series, ignoring the performance of their 6xxx series. He doesn't even attempt to compare performance to EMC or IBM.
Worse, he also used the phrase: "maintain HDS's position as the industry’s storage subsystem availability leader". Let's go back to the AMS 500 series which absolutely had disruptive upgrades. Should we discuss non-stop SCSI? HDS long has an industry position that they could produce a product with legs that could run, but their industry position on maintenance has been a joke.
Unfortunately for HDS they seem to have lost performance and now are playing catchup. The AMS 2500 was a great improvement over the AMS 500, and this is simply a bump with newer.
But in that bump to newer they missed on one feature your midrange has to have, especially if you want to compete in deals involving VMWare and especially VDI, and that feature is: dedupe on the primary storage. HDS has pretty much lost without this feature.
Can't wait to see some of the more vendor neutral folks get their hands on it. But hey, it's got to start somewhere, and a man who has 42 years of experience yet can only champion one vendor is the go to for HDS.
Who knew that in March 2012 a company would be willing to come out and say that SSD is a game changer. Maybe their motto should be "Too big to innovate"
Slightly more serious (and unfortunately only slightly), but maybe HP should take a look at how disjointed their storage portfolio is. They have HDS rebrand (not for long eh), LeftHand, 3Par, and their own. Maybe they should consolidate that into workable brands they can engineer, innovate, and support. Or will it end up like their PC business (do they have one this week, can't be sure)
The most telling bit is that the majority of the storage in HP managed datacenters are.....not HP. They can't even sell it to themselves.
NetApp isn't the only company out there. There's a huge gaping hole in Oracle's Exa solution when it comes to backups, and any company with a backup solution is trying to figure out how to solve that. Sales are Sales.
The issue is under Oracle's solution, you back up your production databases to a ZFS appliance. Sounds great, except that because the production system is using columnar compression, you aren't going to get that much more. ZFS appliances give you less than a 100TB usable due to everything having to be RAID 1 and a lack of hardware RAID protection making them use a lot of empty space for sparing (plus a slightly higher amount of ZFS overhead). So basically, you aren't going to get that many backups, so you cannot do things like keep historical backups. You know, for discoveries, legal discoveries, all of those things you are legally required to do. Also, if you have a poorly designed system where many different systems have to all be kept in the same time sync, if you can't bring that database to the same time stamp you are right and justly screwed.
Oh, Oracle is never going to certify storage systems for its Exa systems, the only reason it performs like it does is because Oracle offloads some of the database query crunching to the storage nodes. Considering the issues with heat, sparing, and data protection with the current hardware, Oracle would effectively kill the majority of it's up front costs for Exadatas (they'll still kill you later with software maintenance).
Oracle's database as a service will run on Oracle's hardware, in other words, Exadata, where they will enable Columnar Compression and thus, ensure your database will always have to run on Exadata, no matter if in their cloud or not. Have fun with maintenance costs once you are forced to drink that kool aid every year.
Exadata also uses software raid and no proactive sparing, leading to things like both of your software mirrors going poof at the same time, resulting in data loss. Ask Oracle, it's happened already.
The only bright side to this setup is not having to pay the bills to power and cool their furnaces they call racks.
Note the Oracle cloud only supports Java, meaning it's less a cloud and more just virtualized Oracle. Still can't get Xen working on Exalogic eh Larry? Try using standards based Infiiniband
Here's the thing about NetApp's timetables....they're total crap when it comes to actually developing and producing a product. Look at all the time it took to get all of the storage technology they purchased from Spinnaker into Ontap, and they still blew that by having to keep "7 mode". Additionally, I was working on getting a VTL deduplication solution, NetApp wanted in, promised a solution by June from an inhouse project, delay, delay, delay, two years later oops we need to buy Data Domain.
"We can see that it does now bears a family resemblance to the EMC Lightning PCIe card (right) with a similar large black controller chip, identical connectors on the top edge "
You mean the industry standard pci-express connector? And what seems to be the industry practice of putting the heaviest hottest processor chip in the middle of the card?
Have you complained? If you go up the account chain there are several people who will look into what's going on. The last time I filled out a survey I got a rather huge response the same day. If your CE isn't cutting it, say something to your account team.
I'm going to guess that you are replacing a lot of Seagates on your latest Clariion.
No, that's actual physical space. With dedupe it's like 14PB.
http://www.datadomain.com/pdf/DataDomain-DD800-Series-Datasheet.pdf?bcsi_scan_5162959982CF324B=0&bcsi_scan_filename=DataDomain-DD800-Series-Datasheet.pdf
Is that 14PB reachable? Depends. But at least have a tiny bit of a clue before you open your mouth and prove that you are in fact, an idiot.
My plan went is going to go from $10 to $60. Even better, I already had to have a conversation this morning with my IT Director, who I had recommended Mozy to.
If you log in to your Mozy support, it will tell you your files are in danger of being deleted because you don't have a valid plan.