Re: Almost done with Opera
So they support minorities with Turbo/Off-road but don't support minorities at the same time (Linux AT THE MOMENT) and the conclusion is: "Opera changed they ignore minorities completely!1!!!!!111" ?????
64 posts • joined 5 Nov 2010
"You need to have something unique and different - and Opera had that. It had all those deals on TVs and embedded. (...)"
They still have it and make new ones, just look at their news posted at opera.com. And no that didn't make the user growth skyrocket.
"When I quit we had 60m desktop users and were on a nice growth path. We'd have blown through 100m by this time if we'd improved on the browser. Now it's down to 50m and most people are still on [the Presto-based] Opera 12."
He seem to have forgot to check that the users loss all happened in the Presto era. There's a downfall since around Opera 12.0 and since Blink Opera appeared the downfall is not as big as before. In the latest they lost only 1 million users, that's compared to a lot more: kind of about 5 million in every previous quarters.
Day 11 of this month the Q4 financial report will be released with the newest number of users so we will be able to talk more about that later...
I'll summarize it: Former CEO couldn't make a better job, then criticizes the CEO that came after him.
"We were not successful in using Microsoft's operating system" - according to who I ask? They got double-digit market share of WP right now. Nokia is the top WP brand.
The people here didn't talk anything with sense. That's why we're downvoting. No one here mentioned a thing that makes Outlook.com worse than Hotmail, other than personal-opinion-nitpicking aesthetics.
My primary e-mail is Yahoo! anyway. Yahoo! knows how to make e-mail accessible in any device. While GMail had a poor UI on mobile for years we could open full e-mails with all the formatting in a new page or in txt format in Yahoo! Mail mobile, all the functions were there and navigation between the messages has aways been better with shortcuts in all the places you'd expect to have them, and now we have apps in almost every platform.
Guidelines... Funny... Pay attention: who created them?
Humans, and now humans they're creating new guidelines that oppose the previous, what's the problem?
It's time to break the current guidelines and go for the better. This test was biased because all of the users were Mac OS / Windows users before. Now take the time to analyze the benefits of Windows 8 to people who never used a single software in their lives: would it be considered better or worse than Windows 7? What's would these people call the effect of hiding things in corners if they don't even know what these things do or were called before...?
Will Alt + TAB be considered against the guidelines now? It's not obvious nor recognizable. The keys don't show at any moment they effect nor anything at the screen yet people use it. Everyone will be pleased all this stuff isn't in the screen all at once and will learn that they must go to the corner they want for task switching and menus.
Stop comparing the current experience and the new one like the current experience didn't has any learning curve.
Actually there were many updates last weeks, but for Android and Java.
Opera Software is aiming primary on Android, who wouldn't do it when it's the most used platform and growing? And Opera is losing ground to WebKit (Android stock browser, Safari, other alternatives) so they really need to do this.
And they did, very well. And now the updates are available to the rest of the market. Not that Opera don't value them, it's just that we users need to understand the things a company must do to continue to exist being profitable, which may be a delay for the product on our platform. That's ok. It's free!
You're confusing open-source and standards? Just because they opened the source code it doesn't make them any better than Google's Dart project. For me, for now, it's just another browser-based technology. In the future, if it becomes a standard, then we'll see. Also, more things would stop it from becoming a standard, it must be measured how much good it'd be for the Web and if it wouldn't favor Intel chips, and we don't have that information.
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