* Posts by Scorchio!!

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News of the World TO CLOSE

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Re: ... umm, has anyone thought...?

"Im not sure if I am right or wrong - but I suspect that Murdock et al arent in this to make a profit. If they kill the entity that is NoTW, it will kill all the lawsuits and charges against it since it is no longer a extant entity."

Yes, I have. It happened in a company where I once worked, and the result was human misery. That is why Cameron's (perhaps reluctant, but prodded on by Clegg and Millipede) choice of independent judicial enquiry is important. This is a chance to grasp. In 1989 David Mellor warned the press they were drinking at the last chance saloon [ http://www.sirc.org/articles/last_chance_saloon.html ]. Perhaps in the longer sense of the word it will be seen that they were. They have been trading in human misery and personal secrets for too long. Their relationships with the police of all things indicate that News International have at a high level been malfeasant, inasmuch that it was stated, first by Rebekah Wade, and then by Andy Coulson who on *public record* said that they PAID the police and that it's 'within the law' [ http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2011/jul/07/news-of-the-world-denials-video ].

It's a truism in occupational psychology that the behaviour of employees, irrespective of grade, can only be understood by assessing further up the hierarchy to see where the trail ends. After so many years of bad behaviour I am ineluctably drawn to the conclusion that Murdoch himself is the original source of the problems with News International.

That matters had come to a point where all main major politicians felt it necessary to curry favour with him, to tailor their policies and behaviour to suit the cut of Murdoch's jib says even more.

This business has to be kicked out. There is currently enough public outrage at them for what has happened, and this has to persist; they are holding onto Rebekah Wade, which is excellent; it means that her superior and his superior have identified with, and are supporting one of the central sources of the problem, and they can now be challenged for this long period of malfeasance. Certainly they can never be allowed to touch Sky News, and the prospect of breaking up the conglomerate has to be publicly and very strongly aired and advocated, in as many outlets as possible, including this publication.

They have to go. We cannot allow self appointed foreign press barons to shape the policies of our governments, but we have done.They have gone too far. Time to smash them into small pieces, and then dump them on the pavement, beyond the boundaries marked "UK".

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Kick 'em all out

These people have influenced politics in the UK for too long. They have to go. We have to clean them out fully, with the Murdochs unceremoniously dumped on the doorstep. These people are not better than the Mubaraks of this world. Unelected.

ANONYMOUS: Behind the mask, inside the Hivemind

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Re: yep

"now you're debating just how much suffering could be considered fun and what's too much suffering to be fun, don't you think that's a bit subjective?"

If you are addressing me, no, I am not debating how much suffering could be considered fun and how much not. So get this absolutely straight, and stop misrepresenting my remarks because it is worse than egregious; it indicates to me a predilection for untruths.

I said that what we see is schadenfreude - laughing at the discomfort of others, having caused said discomfort - and that the ethical pretensions aired by these people are mere ash, since they cite their transgressions as evidence of their moral standing. This is an internal contradiction in their axiological claims; there is no internal consistency, that is they claim to be one thing yet their deeds indicate the opposite.

If you cannot see that then perhaps some remedial learning will help you here. Most towns have courses in philosophy, ethics and epistemology.

Your stuff about my moral position (if that is what you intend) and the like is pure BS, because I merely point out that these people have no moral leg to stand on, being themselves transgressors.

Perhaps logic and its sister, epistemology, are not your forte, but that really is not my problem. I use my education in philosophy and try hard to avoid the usual complications where values and subjective judgements are concerned. In this instance I have highlighted axiological, logical, and epistemological contradictions between their claims and their deeds. I am sure that you do not give a damn, every bit as much as I am sure that they do not, though there certainly seem to be a lot of outcries, voting down and weeping over the exposure, arrests, and other RL interventions where freetards and LULZtards are concerned. There will be a lot more, and kack handed legal defences derived from your rationale will fail badly.

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Re: @AC

"For every author who does not believe in anthropogenic driven climate change, there is one who does."

Belief is a dangerous thing. Knowing is safer. If as you say you ' tried [your] best to put together the most accurate and comprehensive article on “who Anonymous is.” ' you most certainly understand that, because you've demonstrated a commitment to knowledge in place of belief and manipulation.

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Re: Doh!

"...you're supposed to skip straight to page 5, ignore the article completely, and marvel at the...errr....cake. Then post something that looks like they actually read it. Like every other male on here did."

On his return from the pub this male poster checked the image name in the teaser link, clicking Sa_v_e Image As: "anonymoussideteaser". Ah, I see. Brazen with it! I will have to report this to the commission on press activities, to be considered alongside Coulson et al. :-)

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Re: sure

"you're saying you wont laugh if someone trips and falls? when someone riding a bike makes a faceplant?

misery is funny, it distracts us from our own misery, so tone it down mr high and mighty......"

You clearly did not read my response, which anticipated the possibility that someone might misunderstand my words. Do read this bit again: "deriving pleasure from the misfortunes of others, which misfortunes are in this case brought on by the person enjoying them"

What would your response be if I pushed you off your bicycle perhaps resulting in an auto accident, or down some stairs resulting in a broken spine/paralysis, perhaps if I pushed you into a wall resulting in a detached retina [...] or some other injury? Also, if you find it funny that someone (other than a character in a comedy) falls on their face from forward motion on a bicycle, I would raise a question mark about your personality and your ability to anticipate the consequences of such a fall, which might include entry of the turbinate bone into the central nervous system (death), a contrecoup injury to the CNS, permanent facial disfiguration [...]

Certainly if you find it funny that people are causing discomfort for 'lulz' (schadenfreude) this would be consistent with happy slapping shots on youtube. Perhaps I 'ought' not to be surprised that people have such moral standards.

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Re: Re

"" Furthermore these shallow prats were not chosen by any electorate."

We are the electorate. [...]"

Precisely, and none of us elected these self appointed, supposed protectors of morals/whatever. They just decided to do it, there is no recognisable electoral context. There is a difference between them and bin Laden/clones, inasmuch that they probably do not set out to kill people, and the sequelae of their acts evidently do not kill sufficient numbers of people (if at all [1]) for it to be noteworthy, but the difference is only one of degree, and they like the bin Ladens of this world claim to have ethical insights and authority that enable them to tinker with and damage infrastructure and commerce for the supposed benefit of... ...the electorates of various countries.

So in response to your non sequitur response, in which you demonstrate that the point zinged off your carapace, no they were not elected.

[1] Tinkering with, e.g., infrastructure can have direct consequences (see for example the case of a Polish boy who started remote controlling trains over the net, for 'lulz'), and indirect ones; pension plans depend on investment companies, who invest in... ...other companies, whose online presence and data impact on their predictable share values and predictable dividends. You see? Good.

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Re: Damned resistance

"Damned resistance fighters staying anonymous during the Axis occupation of mainland Europe! How dare they! Cheeky cowards they are!

See how crazy your argument is? There are plenty of reasons to stay anonymous, for good or for bad. Its all about perspective."

Just to make sure that you have a little light reading, in which to have (as Douglas Adams once put it) 'some sense of perspective':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Szabo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/military-obituaries/army-obituaries/5048954/Captain-Charles-Upham-VC-and-Bar.html

'Stupid boy'. (/girl)

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Re: Yeah

"And then make sure the enlargement is on the last page.

Yeah, I checked."

<AOL>Me too</AOL>

An observation of merit is that ogling women's mammaries seems to improve the health of men. I have the research paper somewhere on one of this machine's HDs.

Perhaps the moral of this story is that feminism is bad for male health, though I don't think I'd try too hard to push that one, purely for its non sequitur quality alone.

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Re: Damned resistance

"Damned resistance fighters staying anonymous during the Axis occupation of mainland Europe! How dare they! Cheeky cowards they are!

See how crazy your argument is? There are plenty of reasons to stay anonymous, for good or for bad. Its all about perspective."

There is no comparison at all. No matter how hard you try you will not justify your attempt.

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Re: I seem to be none the wiser for reading this article.

"1) could you please put the footnotes on the same page as the item which references them?"

Perhaps a clickable link, maybe even a popup or a 'tooltip'.

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Re: there you go

"I've pretty much been saying this for ages, nice to see most of my suspicions regarding anon turn out to be true :)

always in it for the lulz, as it was meant to be."

I can't say with certainty what your view is, but it's clearly the case that there are people who deface websites, steal data/breach security in a variety of ways for the purpose of schadenfreude (deriving pleasure from the misfortunes of others, which misfortunes are in this case brought on by the person enjoying them). In it for the 'lulz'. Ah yes, enjoying the pain of others, and that lays bare the ethical pretensions of such people. It is also sad that these fools don't think that far ahead and anticipate the consequences of their behaviour, something for which Ritalin is prescribed in the US.

There will be a backlash [ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/technology-12007616 ] and that will not be so funny, even if the original offenders are made to suffer. Why not funny? Because my online rights will be reduced because of this shallow, vandalistic stupidity. Don't give me the 'gotta-crack-a-few-eggs' argument. Stalin used that one. Various other dictators and, more recently, Labour politicians did. Furthermore these shallow prats were not chosen by any electorate.

Universal Music passwords exposed by Anonymous hack

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Re: I'm one of the people who got hacked

"I've hurriedly changed all my passwords and learnt my lesson about using the same one everywhere!"

Try this:

http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/pins.html

I haven't seen anything that I consider to be better. It has a password generator, can copy passwords to the clipboard, clears them when minimised or its security time out (which can be altered) cuts in, minimises to tray, requires password on resume after security cut out, sites can be grouped into categories named and chosen by user, entries can have a clickable URL in plaintext, unlimited data base size, uses 448 blowfish encoding, much, much more... ...and it is free. My passwords are very complex. It can generate passwords comprised of upper case, lower case, symbols, digits, user defined characters of up to 56 characters in length. If you use Gibson's password generator for your WPA2 key you can paste it into the field and save it.

I used to use Oubliette [ http://www.tranglos.com/ ] which has since apparently recovered its poise, but the mechanics of change bore me. Also some people use 'cloud' password systems, integrated into their browser. This is of no use when the system is not working and you need to open a file on your HD. In the same vein, I would never trust anyone with my passwords, just as I would never trust them with the data I keep on several TB of HDs. There are some uses for the cloud, but limiting it and keeping it in its place is the act of a wise user.

Popular FTP package download tarball poisoned

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Re: Just having 'lulz'?

"Mucking around with repositories is always a serious security attack - after all, this might have just been a test run..."

Somewhere else I raised the possibility that repositories could become compromised and people shouted this down.

WikiLeaks sues Visa, Mastercard over 'financial blockade'

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Re: @Danny14

He wasn't brought up to follow rules, and it seems that he will not even now. Perhaps he does not understand them. This may well be the beginning of the final crash and burn phase, with Mercurial Jules fretting over how most of the world doesn't understand him.

Did you see the BBC video article on the automatically tripped camera speed sensors on the roads outside of his temporary domicile, and how Jules and his band of camp followers thought they had been installed by men in black vans/helicopters for the purposes of (gasp) spying on him? It would seem that these innocent, motion sensor speed warning signs were there long before he and his insightless caravan arrived.

There are only seven days left before he hears whether or not there is just cause to overturn a valid European arrest warrant, having fled the country of its origin. If there is not, I'm sure that he will "thqueeem and thqeeem and thqueeeem" [with acknowledgements to Richmal Crompton; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmal_Crompton ].

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Re: aha

"but they DO have to do business with you if they have a contract or there is law-of-the-land. I suspect that is why they are fighting in Denmark."

Not necessarily. If they feel their TOS have been breached there is an instant reason for breaking off. Another might be along the lines patriotism and national secrets. It's interesting to see how desperate Juleth has become. Hopefully he'll get a bloody nose, along with the one he ought to receive on the glorious twelfth, when he's told that a European arrest warrant cannot be stopped just to suit his vainglorious pleasure. Then we'll find out whether or not he is a rapist. As to the Denmark scam, they too are members of NATO.

Women's gaydar (for men) improves when ovulating

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@skeptical i

Well the neurobiological data are overwhelming had she but read a little, though obviously it's not her field, which is literature. Attempts to make boys like girl's toys and vice versa seem, statistically speaking, significantly [1] doomed to failure, because the boys - again, statistically speaking - begin to pick up the toys their feminist mothers train them to ignore. I have data somewhere and can, if prodded hard, produce them.

The conformity issues, well.... ....there are things known as sexually dimorphic behaviours (both non sexual and sexual) that are hard wired, including the lordosis position in rats [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordosis_behavior ], cocking in dogs, squatting in bitches, and further up the phylogenetic scale these become ever more subtle and elegant. For example blush indicating sexual arousal/readiness, frequently used as a flirting tool. It goes deeper; in game theory tests of female and male aggression revealed that, whilst men are more ready to adopt an early aggressive strategy, women wait until the last line (or near) is crossed and then flare up into a far more aggressive posture. That would be consistent with defense of the young. Another specimen of sexually specific differences includes the emission of a hormone in late lactation which causes stomach aches in the offspring. It happens around the year six, and is a suitable device for weaning off children who have persisted for so long at the teat. Motherly feelings or not, ejection is the name of the game, and on with the next brat.

As to your last sentence, meheh; the irony is that Greer's failed marriages included one which fell apart due to her multiple infidelities in the **first three weeks**; not only would that logically make her unfit to preach on the matter of marriage, but she is clearly obsessed with her genitalia and their functions. I'm trying to build up a life history on the woman, because her behavioural history seems to be the source of her problems. I kid you not. Anyhow, I think that much of her views on anything is coloured by her experiences. True to form she does seem to have a tendency to generalise from the particular, in this case the stories she's concocted about the aetiology of homosexuality, about which she clearly knows foxtrot alpha.

On an ironic note, in checking a couple of things for this response to you, I discovered a small cutlet of information. Greer stood against the transsexual, Rachel Padman, for a fellowship at Newnam College Oxford (a woman's college) on the feminist grounds that Padman was born a man, but later resigned (1996) on account of the obloquoy she experienced. It is indeed nice to know that spiteful, silly ideologues can be given a beating. Somewhat ironically she was more recently taken hostage by a student, who avowed ever lasting daughterly love for her. This could not have happened to a better <Irony>"Person"</Irony>. How appropriate that her sister (owing to the age difference that would be daughter I suppose) gave her an idea of how it feels to be on the end of a wedge of BS. An exercise in empathy? Not hardly; more recently the fool made remarks about the probability that British soldiers will rape innocent civilians, thereby earning her yet more ire. She does not learn it would seem. Normally I would suggest an impairment of the frontal lobe (prefrontal area), but that might lead to litigation, as the Wikipedia article suggests [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_Greer particularly see passage on litigation on the matter of the Padperson case]. So I won't, and I must emphasise that I won't. Doubly.

[1] Statistical significance is set during the design phase of experiments (important point that) according to strict criteria that are publicly set in the appropriate methodology for a given discipline. It means that one or two exceptions do not a summer make, either way; given Gunther Dörner's work from quite early on, data have been on record showing why homosexual males have neuroanatomical similarities (correlated with behavioural ones) with females, and there is no excuse for her ignorance on the matter.

Right. Pub.

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Re: Causation / Correlation

"The other alternative is that women are simply rejecting men with features that indicate they're not prime mates and as a consequence, at least a proportion of those rejected men are turning to homosexuality instead."

...and here is the quote from Greer, the unscientific:

"Most homosexuality results from the inability of the person to adapt to his given sex role, and ought not to be treated as genetic and pathological, but the prejudiced language of abnormality offers the homosexual no way of expressing this rejection, so he must consider himself a freak. The ‘normal’ sex roles that we learn to play from our infancy are no more natural than the antics of a transvestite. In order to approximate those shapes and attitudes which are considered normal and desirable, both sexes deform themselves, justifying the process by referring to the primary, genetic difference between the sexes. But of forty-eight chromosomes only one is different: on this difference we base a complete separation of male and female, pretending as it were that all forty-eight were different. Frenchmen may well cry ‘Vive la différence’, for it is cultivated unceasingly in all aspects of life. It is easiest and most obvious to consider that deliberately induced deformity as it is manifested in the body and our concepts of it, for whatever else we are or may pretend to be, we are certainly our bodies."

The Female Eunuch, pp33-34, Harper perennial modern classics (1970)

Greer seems to have a bee in her bonnet about homosexuality, mentioning it several times. Today I found myself wondering if she hates homosexuals because they have escaped women!

She has to the best of my knowledge never offered any data in support of her argument, and this is typical of the empirical claims made by arts graduates. I've concluded that this woman is a charlatan.

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Re: I just read that...

"as Castration / Correlation

which might or might not be relevant. I really don't want to find out."

...and thank you for reminding me of other parts of my training. For example, it was thought by fluffy headed politicians that castration of sex offenders would solve a problem. It did not. The reason is that whereas humans, unlike for example rats, undergo sex differentiation inside the womb, and the process of sensitisation by circulating hormones (which the sharp eyed will note can demasculinise or defeminise a brain), the process cannot be reversed by orchidectomy. The foundations have already been (cough) laid.

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Re: Causation / Correlation

"The other alternative is that women are simply rejecting men with features that indicate they're not prime mates and as a consequence, at least a proportion of those rejected men are turning to homosexuality instead."

That, roughly speaking, is the Germaine Greer argument in her nonsensical 'female eunuch'. She says words to the effect that homosexuals are men who cannot live up to their sexual role. I'll be home tonight and will pull that out for a quote if desired.

It is of course pure unsubstantiated bullshit, of the sort that you would expect from an arts graduate making claims in the empirical realm. How that thing was ever believed defeats me. If a man had made half of the misandrist comments that she had, except in misogynist form, he would probably have been prosecuted under one of the yuman rights/equal rights 'laws' [1] passed by the Blair government.

[1] Much of the welter of Blairite legislation was in fact their personal preferences in legal form.

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Re: Causation / Correlation

Oh Francis Galton and the early Italian criminologists (Cesare Lombroso) would *love* this bit. It means that the early criminologists' claim that criminals can be detected by dint of physiognomy is valid and true. Only it is not. Particularities (e.g., truthfulness, honesty, criminality) do not manifest themselves in physiology, but generalities (e.g. sexuality) do. One of the reasons is that criminality, lying and so on are not biological constructs. Similarly the polygraph is *not* a lie detector, substantially because lies are not (yet, you might argue; just as there is no one to one correspondence between sensory stimuli, how they impinge on nerves and are sent to the brain, there's no general machine code for cognitions, such as deception, criminality and, furthermore, CNS development, both genetically and phenotypically, differs across individuals, leading to the term 'individual differences') accessible in biological form; the polygraph detects dissimulation in the form of neurobiological correlates, that is, elevated pulse, HR, skin conductance, and so on.

In addition, there are a number of different reproductive strategies, including fecundity, accuracy and so on; these rely on sexual fitness, intelligence, and so on. As with the 'criminal face' I've seen no demonstration of an 'intelligent face, no 'sexually fit' face, consistent with the debunking of Lombroso. Since human males are always in season it is hard to think of a reason why and how (hormonal cycles) their faces would show it, though this does occur in females; lips puffed out by elevated blood pressure indicate sexual readiness/receptiveness, a blush on the cheeks, in fact the very sorts of things that women pay a lot of money to have implanted/surgically altered by cosmetic surgeons.

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Re: What's not obvious to you?

Also from the department of the bleedin' obvious; males have less to be jealous of females, inasmuch that they do not plant a seed. From a Darwinist/reproductive strategy there is no threat. A read of Dawkins' selfish gene amplifies the point.

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Re: Actually

"the implication is that according to this study, 'gay' men and straight men have different facial features."

I've not read the article but, from my reading during my psychology B.Sc. way back that would be right. There are neural differences between straight men and 'gay' men/straight females and 'gay' females, and these involve neurohormonal releases from the womb onward. The differences are clearly measurable (in spite of past claims of 'gay' people), in the form of the preoptic bulb of the anterior hypothalamus, for example; in females the nuclei are (IIRC) larger and less numerous. This sort of finding occurs in the brains of 'gay' (I hate neologisms, especially when they abuse the language so) people Gunther Dörner did a lot of work on this kind of thing, and withstood a great deal of abuse from 'gay' people who short sightedly did not realise or accept that his work helped to substantiate something they often claimed; they simply were homosexual, not by choice, but because it was in their nature.

Returning to the (cough) entry point, hormones affect the way facial bone structures are formed, among many other things, including hairline.

Accused SOCA attacker reportedly 'keen' to help cops

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Re: Let's not jump to conclusions

"He might have threatened self harm in the past, so they may want to psychologically assess him"

The correct term is 'psychiatrically assess him'. Psychologists participate in MDT assessments, but their expertise is not psychiatry per se. The people who bear the greatest brunt are the two doctors required for non court sectioning and the approved social worker in psychiatry (yes, only one). However psychologists cannot and do not issue psychiatric diagnoses, only psychiatrists can do this.

The difference between psychiatrists and psychologists; the former go to med school and then choose a specialised branch of medicine, psychiatry, and further specialise in, e.g., forensic, geriatric, psychoses, eating disorders, anxiety disorders, and so on. The latter read a B.Sc. in psychology and then choose to specialise and move on to an approved doctorate in clinical psychology, in which they choose a further sub specialisation in, e.g., psycho geriatric, psychoses, etcetera. Not all psychology courses result in doctorates, and the doctorate in question is a doctorate in clinical psychology. (Psychology has become Americanised, I regret to say.) Other branches in psychology include organisational, occupational, forensic, counselling.

The emphasis in psychology is on science, whereas in psychiatry the emphasis is on medical practitioner training in psychiatry, akin to an art or a craft.

Psychiatrists prescribe medicines, psychologists do not although some twits occasionally argue in favour of this. I don't know about you but I'd like my prescribing officer to be well versed in anatomy, drug interactions and life saving, not in psychometrics, scientific testing and how-does-it-feel crap. That way there's a tendency for the patient to live a little longer.

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Re: re

"Yep, gotta love all this freedom. Locked up with no proof of crime."

If there are reasonable grounds to believe that a serious crime has been committed, as there seem to be, then your hyperbole/rhetoric are wasted, and no bail is granted pending a judicial decision on the matter. Perhaps you have evidence to show that the current measures are not merely unjustified but wrong. If so perhaps you would like to share this stuff with the rest of the world. Perhaps you would also care to say what you, with legal pretensions, would do were you the sitting magistrate/judge on the case.

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Re: And to rehabilitate?

"Perhaps a non-custodial sentence recylcing computers for developing nations"

My initial response was 'what an excellent idea'. However, the possibilities for raising armies of vengeful script kiddy armies made me uncomfortable with it. Perhaps undoing the damage done?

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Re: Well, we all know.

"I'll bet "keen" doesn't half describe his new-found attitude."

Eager? Desperate? There still has to be a proportionate punishment, one that deters future offenders. It's not enough to merely punish.

Alleged LulzSec hacker still inside

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Re: Hmmm....

"I wonder how many "lulz" this kid's having, now he's being held by Inspector Knacker at Her Maj's request?"

It would seem that his 'fear of the market place' claim has now been expanded to include Asperger's syndrome:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13916090

So now the next logical step, after a preliminary assessment by 2 psychiatrists and one ASW, is transportation to a forensic ward. If the refusal to grant bail (currently under discussion) stands, I suspect that he will probably end up in a medium secure forensic unit, which is generally speaking an unpleasant place to be. The mental health route is far more unpleasant than the prison route.

I have a feeling that these sorts of offences are likely to be treated in the same way as fire setting used to be, that is to say a long spell in Broadmoor secure hospital, Crowthorne, under section 37/41. It is probably better to take the prison option which, while it results in a criminal record, is not succeeded by a long spell of continual checks and reviews by community psychiatric teams, with the constant threat of recall if a relapse seems likely.

This is not an easy option. Knacker of the Yard is a much comfier way forward.

http://www.mentalhealthlaw.co.uk/S37/41 [linked to the appropriate sections under the MHA]

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Re: "forensic"

Here, search key 'forensic' of course:

http://ask.metafilter.com/110611/How-to-understand-old-writing

See also these:

http://jbarresi.psychology.dal.ca/Papers/beperson.html

"Person, as I take it, is the name for the self. Where-ever a man finds, what he calls himself, there I think another may say is the same Person. It is a Forensick Term appropriating Actions and their Merit; and so belongs to intelligent beings capable of Law, and Happiness and Misery. This personality extends it self beyond present Existence to what is past, only by consciousness, whereby it becomes concerned and accountable, owns and imputes to it self past Actions, just on the same ground, and for the same reason, that it does in the present. (Locke, 1694/1975, p. 346)"

http://www.philosophyideas.com/files/mind/Locke%20on%20Personal%20Identity.pdf

Locke's Concept of a Person

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6. 'Person' is a forensic term, involving praise and blame, and a capacity to obey laws

There, free education for you from someone with a qualification in the forensic sciences. Isn't the interwebs wunnerful? It means that the distance of 100 miles from my library is not a problem, because I can contribute to your sum of knowledge by means of sensibly constructed search terms. I have a copy of "An essay concerning human understanding" if you want me to adumbrate. Just ask. Aren't you pleased to have the expertise of someone with a forensic qualification *and* a qualification in molecular biology to help you? Good. I thought you would be. HAND!

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Re: Two of these things

Oh. I have four plus the portable item. Oops.

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Re: Mike Richards

The stuff that you are making up does not cut it in the legal and psychiatric arena. If his responsibility is diminished, and if he is at risk of harming himself or others, there are specific routes open to the system, but your completely ignores case law and statutes. Playing games with words - what Wittgenstein called 'private language games' - will not work; from the perspective of psychiatry it is the effect of his behaviour on society at large that will determine, if at all, what happens to this individual. OTOH he may just find himself serving a spell inside, but then subsequently referred to a ward specialising in forensic psychiatry owing to depression and perhaps suicide risk. He would not go to a general psychiatric hospital due to the legal nature of his case.

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Re: sounds sad

"Let's hope he's given treatment rather than punishment at least"

If he is guilty of an offence and successfully pleads diminished responsibility the route is a harder one than mere prison. If he gets section 37/41 the logical route is to the house on the hill in Crowthorne, Berks.

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Re: "forensic"

"I think that word does not mean what you think it means."

I think that you should not presume to look in the black box, since it is an impossible task. You will have a hint of my experience in forensic psychiatry from this and other posts, plus my experience in biological sciences. The term 'forensic' was first coined by John Locke, the philosopher, and was meant to denote 'of the courts'.

HTH.

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Mental illness != not responsible for his acts. Such things are determined by a multidisciplinary psychiatric team, after a relatively protracted period of assessment, usually no less than 3 months, on what was a section 37/court order (and still seems to be). Skivers, slackers and fakers are usually found out, though I've seen one case where a man was discharged and went on to commit the crime he said that he would; that might mean that he decided he could get away with it, of course. As to agoraphobia, or fear of the market place (tr from the original Greek, as used in the DSM), I fail to see how illicit activities could be excused on the basis of this. People do not necessarily commit crimes because they fear open spaces, nor because they are cooped up. Something else has to be going on and, should he persist with his claims, it will be for the judge and appointed court experts (that would be rule 17 IIRC) to agree whether or not a period of assessment in a forensic unit (usually secure, but I do know of one open ward) is necessary.

Violin tunes up for billion dollar flash gig

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Re: SSD's a great

Indeed, and that is why I only use them for my OS. Perhaps I'm old fashioned but I have never SSDs liked them except for their speed as a boot drive. Like another respondent here I have some 4TB in storage, plus several TB for backup purposes. It's a bitch when they spin down for energy saving purposes, but it's acceptable.

LulzSec claims responsibility for CIA.gov outage

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Re: Well...

" "there are times when the argumentum ad hominem is all that is left."

You certainly prove that!"

...And as if to amplify my point, in referring to you behaving like a school junior sniggering over the offences of one of its contemporaries, you had to offer as a riposte a 'nyah, nyah' blurt. Thank you for failing to offer anything remotely resembling an unbroken chain of argument, starting from initial empirical evidence and ending with something relating to/consistent with same. Pat-pat.

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Re: Lol...

Paragraph 1; nonsense. That would more likely show that you read more in someone's words than is meant.

If you aren't prepared to pay attention to something in a forum like this, then you can expect to be picked up on it, and given your feeble protestations the question arises why bother at all? As to being too busy and "can't be asked", how very droll. Your command of English even fails in your attempts to resort to online encopresis.

As to the argumentum ad hominem; well done, you have picked up on a continual refrain of mine, but not so well done because you missed the other half; that is to say, there are times when the argumentum ad hominem is all that is left. In this context I refer to your seemingly childish amusement at an example of law breaking, which reminded me of a boy sniggering at illicit activities in the playground, only the offences were not committed in a playground. Rather they took place in the world of adults.

Then you insert some claim to the effect that "If you are so superior, why do you keep responding?". To begin with I have not made such a claim. Furthermore, you have not explained why a superior being would not follow up. Methinks this is more a question of discomfort on your part, and a devious attempt to pluck the argumentum ad hominem from some obscure, dark, odiferous place, a device for wriggling off the hook.

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Re: That was the whole point I was making...

Uhuh. I think that you are losing track of your warblings. I hadn't said anything about assassinations, this is a giant non sequitur emitted from which of your body parts I know not. Oh, and when I see spelling errata such as 'apocolypse' I suspect that I am interacting with juveniles, especially if they post up a link that I already had in the post to which they are responding... ...and in so doing find it funny that a government site has been attacked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13859868

That's not funny, but a start in sorting out the mess. (Notice who was cooperating with whom.) Hopefully the investigators were investigated with LARTs ( http://catb.org/jargon/html/L/LART.html )

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Re: Oh...

"I'm well aware that anyone caught will be dealt with harshly."

Oh really:

"They might get a bit of a heavy hand to make an example out of, but that'll be all!"

"My point is, I doubt we are going to see a spate of "suisides"[sic] or hit attributed to this!"

That's not the point that you made though, is it? What's this now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13848510

Hmm. I love the smell of primer cord in the morning.

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Re: Funny...

"I thought this was about Lulzsec and the CIA hack. I do think there may be a thread somewhere about Manning!"

You cannot take these things in isolation, unless of course you have been living in a shack in the middle of nowhere. These are breaches of security on US government facilities, and the US government alone have made it plain that they are going to act harshly where these things are concerned.

Also there is an international trend for governments to deal with these things with expedition and, it would seem, fairly harshly. There have been arrests in Turkey, Spain, the UK and of course the US for the DDoS attacks. This trend matches the trend amongst private individuals to attack targets like the CIA, the US forces, Sony and Sega et al.. Perhaps you have forgotten. Perhaps you don't know why the trend matches the attacks. I won't be at all surprised.

You may want to compartmentalise these things, and avoid acknowledging that these things fit into a general category of security breaches (of government facilities and large corporations), and that such behaviours invite harsh responses, but you are not doing a very good job of arguing it in public. In fact your attempts are piss poor. Weak. Risible. You can bet your life that Sony, Sega and any other economic unit that's been attacked are in contact with int and security agencies across the world. If you think otherwise then I'm afraid you may have a problem with perception and addition. Of course your arguments could merely be disingenuous. I'll leave that bit for you to work out.

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Re: Nooooo...

"But this is beside the point and not on subject.."

YMLT think so, but it ain't so. This is purely a matter of security and how organisations, including state organisations, respond to breaches of security. There will be trouble and, as has already been pointed out, Gary McKinnon has been facing the same Kafkaesque nightmare that Manning is in (not that I sympathise or detract from either case).

My choice of language, 'Kafkaesque', was deliberate and reflected the range of responses and incidents that have thus far been seen; add arrests throughout Europe and we can see very clearly that these people will be taken seriously, whether or you or they like it or not. No excuses will wear. Guaranteed.

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Re: Oh please...

"and I thought I was wearing a tin-foil cap. They are not going to do anything dodgy to any of these they'll turn them straight over to the local police and it'll go through the courts as usual. They might get a bit of a heavy hand to make an example out of, but that'll be all!"

...and Bradley Manning is just a Kafkaesque figment of some geeks' imagination. 'I see what you did there'.

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Hey Buddy, open your curtains and look out the window.

Swooshing noise.

"Phut"

UK man charged with attack that shut down SOCA site

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Re: Err...

"In the case of rape/assault/etc bail is not automatic, you don't just get released particularly for rape. Most rapists are remanded, pending trail. With other crimes, it depends upon previous character and the nature of the crime."

Tell that to Jules!

Firing back at LulzSec

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I thought the HA Windsor chapter thing was sorted out in the late 70s.

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Re: Glad you reminded me.

"How is Mr Assange getting on these days?"

Glad you asked. It seems that he and his friends are in a 'tizzy' over the active speed warning cameras/signs in the area. The original video on this site

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13801331

indicated their presence predated our Julian's arrival. They are all jumping up and down, saying how he's been treated 'like an animal', but I think readers will remember the controversy in which his Swedish legal representative has been called by his professional association to account for failing to respond to police communications, and for failing to tell Jules that he was wanted for questioning. Under this analysis it would seem that Jules is indeed a flight risk, and must be kept under strict bail conditions. His indignation and of his friends is misplaced, especially given the scale of his activities. Anyhow, our Jules should be up in front of the beak on the 12th of Jules. I do hope that he is put in the position where he can bleat about his rights being taken from him, and saying that he could attend over the net. It will make him seem as insightless, twitty and guilty as ever.

Captain Cyborg: Computers are alive, like bats or cows

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Re: then...

"I name you as Osama Bin Laden, and claim my five pounds"

'There is no spoon'!

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Re: @AC 16:13 Geri

"The most surprising bit about that is the fact that some woman was mental enough to become his wife - what WAS she thinking?"

Perhaps she was the inspiration for his silliness? Maybe she programmed him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTFCwKvlKZo

http://lyrics.filestube.com/song/9c7a40d451a9f67e03e9,Automatic-Lover.html

Lulzsec gets hacking downunder

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Re: clearly a black op

Uhuh. Do you believe this stuff? Here, go switch off the internet:

http://www.turnofftheinternet.com/