Re: You're leaving ... Leave and stop moaning!
Nothing abusive in the phrases used for those who want an exit? Typical comment.
And NO, I dont want everything to remain as it is. A massive bill for a huge and growing trade imbalance, companies moving to eastern europe to enjoy the subsidies we provide while there is no barrier to sending the goods back to us (Range Rover production is but the most recent of many that have been going on since long before any talk of leaving). A massive labour supply for a dwindling number of jobs means that today I am being offered software contracts at rates of only 75% of the rate I was earning 20 years ago. Yes thats right, considerably LESS despite inflation. And I am not the only one to see wages fall, ask anyone in manufacturing, building etc. etc.
Yes, I am looking for a massive structural change, a change back to a situation where WE are in control of our destiny and able to make decisions about investment to ensure we have the capability to employ our people and pay them well. Look at China and Brazil, both growing with massive tariff fences to protect their home producers backed up by rules requiring people to set up factories in country to access their markets (Brazils is smaller than ours), these countries are getting factories set up, investments made, people employed and exports growing - a very different situation to our own. Not everyone can have a degree in maths and a job gambling on stocks and shares, we need real people doing real jobs producing real things and making (not hording) real money.
We are voluntarily part of a very large outfit, but one that seems intent on ensuring German manufacturing supremacy and French farming sloth before amalgamating all of us into a united states of europe. This is not what the bulk of the British want and even those frightened or deluded into voting remain first in '75 and then again in the last vote seem to not understand where we are going and the damage already done and the worst that is to come from staying in.
I have no issue with having immigration when I am no longer paying unemployment benefits to 20% of the working age population, seeing another 30% supported by tax credits because their employer wont pay a decent wage and they can only find part time work, never mind the bloated 30% who work for the government mainly in made up jobs that arent needed. In Victorian times a much smaller Whitehall ran an empire covering the globe, now they cant run London without help.
We DO make decent products and have shown repeatedly that we can make world beating ones, yet the Europeans will NOT buy from us, I am in Sweden at the moment, their government buys alcohol for Sweden (pubs dont go direct to breweries), ALL the IPA in Sweden is imported from America, flown over the country that invented the ale and produces the best IPA in the world, thats just how much our 'friends' support or want us. While we invest billions a year in Merc and BMW for our Police, Ambulance etc etc the Germans do not have 1 single foreign vehicle purchased by any government department at all. Balanced trade? Same rules? Reasonable? No to all.
Yes we will still travel to the EU, they have visa free access for 3 month holidays to a number of outsid countries, 99.9% of Brits dont go to the EU for more than 2 weeks a year. Yes they will still visit us because we will do the same. There will still be immigration in both directions because neither side is going to block visa applications from people coming to work and contribute in areas where the skills are required, this is no different to skilled people moving to the US, Australia or frankly anywhere else. Yes we will still buy their stuff (all be it that a tariff will be charged so we will buy less), they will still buy most of the paltry amounts they buy despite tariffs. Because we are setting up new we can set (and later adjust) our tariffs to suit our needs, so high on cars and maybe lower on some food , raw material etc.
We will be able to negotiate trade deals for ourselves, we are a huge market, we can set those deals up so that we have neutral or maybe positive trade balances with the other countries because we dont have to worry about German cars, French cheese and Italian wine. We can set government purchasing policy to exclude buying from abroad (quite legal if we are open about it). Some of those we in theory can do in the EU, most not. That which we can do we are told by our spineless foreign loving British hating politicians (after all wouldnt you rather an expenses paid working trip - cough cough - to a nice southern european beech resort to a wet day in Glasgow with that Scottish woman ranting in your ear) that it is not possible because of EU rules to invest in Rover, LDV, ERF et al, that the French, Germans, Italians and Spanish governments invest in their industry doesnt appear to disprove them, but not having the EU rules to hide behind we will be able to insist on what is best for the country .