* Posts by Dave 15

1544 posts • joined 14 Jun 2010

We 'could' send troubled Watchkeeper drones to war, insists UK minister

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Re: RE: Jack

oh come on, defining a comms protocol is not difficult and implementing it these days is childs play, we have done it so often before. As for navigating and flying missiles have managed this for decades, heavens the only difference between this and a cruise missile is that this should come back, land and not explode on impact. coming back is just the same thing as going there and landing without exploding is just coming is slow enough. Give me 10 minutes and a c compiler.

as for specs and spec changes, come up with a basic spec.. it goes where we tell it, waits there for as long as we told it and comes back.... build that, then add while it is there it takes a photograph and build that as a mark 2. We didn't wait for spitfire mk10s before flying them

basically put the requirement out to British companies and wait for them to send you something that works

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simple explanation

our lovely government likes to hand all the projects to massive foreign firms who then pass it to india. The government procurement lovlies fail to do a fixed price fixed spec contract and pay out continually for changes that arent needed and overruns that are blamed on the changes.

Write a spec, let people build to it (anyone who wants) when the object is delivered and is satisfactory order a number of them. Worked in previous generations and got us spitfires, hurricanes, most of the royal navy etc.etc.

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so is that...

4 flown 4 crashed and we haven't dared fly the rest?

or all flown hundreds of times and 4 accidents we understand and have a fix for?

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France building encrypted messaging app for politicians

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serets

Politicians are there to represent us, to be democratically accountable to us. Yet they want to spy on us while hiding from us?

Only politicians can fail to see how stupid and dangerous that all looks.

Macron was recently preventing the french from a say on the eu because they would say out, then saying that there needs to be more democracy, then hiding his comms

The only thing sensible here is setting up security that you control. you wrote and not to depend in any way on other / even for hardware

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Windows 10 Spring Creators Update team explains the hold-up: You little BSOD!

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Windows 10 the worst yet

I can outtype notepad

I keep getting screens overlayed on my machine whinging about security updates it claims it ant do as it needs gigs of hard drive (which it actually has)

It consumes tons of memory even before it functions and this increase over time

It updated itself 3 times last week moaning all the time it needed to again / taking 45 minutes a time during boot when I wanted to use the damned machine

Frankly I think Microsoft should offer all those who have had this monstrosity inflicted on them a free upgrade to windows nt or better still linux

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UK.gov: We're not regulating driverless vehicles until others do

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Re: Admitting abdication of their responsibilities

I agree a kneejerk and stupid reaction is likely

However I would hasten to question what can be done to ensure the nirvana of accident free autonomous vehicles. Basically I think nothing. Sensors will break - or worse malfunction especially in hostile environments with heat, cold, thrown mud, water, snow and deliberate messing from kids and unpleasant adults. Software will get more and more complex in order to try and avoid problems and will therefore become untestable, slower, less stable and worse (just look at windows 10, a real crock of the proverbial manure). That is before we start worrying about the nasties like viruses and the likes

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Re: Greatly missed opportunity.

First, there are already specs on the communications... not complete but at least started

Second, I can't see most pedestrians of cyclists having comms gadgets on them so they can politely ask the great big autonomous lorry not to run over them (or perhaps to allow the cyclist to 'convoy' in the slipstream

Third, I have a suspicion that my 1923 Austin 7 is unlikely to have the battery of senors, the control / comms box or even a 12v supply to run them ever :)

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Re: Hmm...

So if you step out in front of an autonomous vehicle you expect the software and sensor systems to be somehow aaware of your stupid intention? You dont expect that of a normal driver, you expect to get run over and killed - which is why you bother to look.

As to the occasional driving into a brick wall or whatever again as a normal driver these things will happen when the road surface is sliperry, visibility impaired (maybe by dirt on your windscreen) or a technical malfunction of the car (brake locking on, tyre exploding, steering joint giving way... though the MOT test is supposed to help detect early warnings of failures it doesn't always)

The real real question then becomes do I expect the software that is interpreting the sensors to be right more or less often than a driver...

Personally at the moment I expect it will be right rather less often than the human but we will eventually fix some of those issues and sort out the cameras and other sensors so they are less easy to obscure or 'break' than currently.

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Re: Good call

Yes

The current batch of partly autonomous are mostly not electric. Many electric are not autonomous.

Electric is also a dumb way to be trying to go as a method of storing energy.

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Still banging the electric drum are they?

When will people realise that electric is poor as an energy source for vehicles? Difficult to store, batteries are often explosive in accidents, high fire risk (see the burnt out remains of the broken teslas) and very environmentally hostile to create. Then add in the huge time taken to recharge and limited ranges and realise hundreds of times as many charge points are required then petrol pumps.

No, need to think again ... steam is a good storage medium, fireless steam is simple and very well understood technology

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'Every little helps'... unless you want email: Tesco to kill free service

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seriously sad

I have had this email for years, it is the one everyone knows, now it will no longer be valid.

Wish there was an automatic way of redirecting so I could keep the address even if someone else runs the 'service'

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Brit Lords start peer-to-peer wrangling over regulating the internet

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fake news...

Or in other words something that disagrees with the lies the BBC put out for the government.

Weapons of mass destruction, launched in 15 minutes, capable of hitting the UK.... Involvement in trying to influence our politics... all sorts of garbage produced with no evidence at all to back it up ... produced by government and the BBC.

They already censor a whole pile of sites for 'kiddie porn' and 'terrorism' - without us having a clue which they block. Now they are looking to block even more. China does it, Russia does it, North Korea as well... but we are told they are no good totalitarian states... does it mean when we do the same we are also a no good totalitarian state... only if you like facts

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What the @#$%&!? Microsoft bans nudity, swearing in Skype, emails, Office 365 docs

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Re: No Cussing Allowed?

I remember one amusing story of an American porn shop being refused a licence because of the damage to the morals of the locals, then finally getting a licence when it revealed that almost every home in the town had a subscription to tv porn

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Re: No Cussing Allowed?

More interesting to me is that it implies that Microsoft are looking at everything I send and listening to everything I say, probably even looking at every image on every camera on skype as well... if that includes skype for business (a hateful piece of crud) then many a european business is letting Microsoft see what they are doing every day.

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Re: No Cussing Allowed?

Well any business that has been stupid enough to think cloud computing - whether with Microshite, Amazon or anyone else is sensible will sharp find their secrets shared with anyone and everyone - especially the US government and services stopped whenever the US feels like it.

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Re: No Cussing Allowed?

Irrelevant, its not about government or not its about rights.

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UK.gov's Brexiteers warned not to push for divergence on data protection laws

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Re: Brexit, GDPR and FUD

An even better idea would be to ditch all 5 of those and step outside WTO as well.

Frankly this country has a trade deficit - a large and unsustainable one - getting out of the EU makes it a whole lot better, but still doesn't totally fix it

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May ...

As it appears May isn't even going to try and get rights for our one and only export to the EU - financial services I think we should just stick the fence up and tell them to keep everything... that rank French cheese (never as good as ours), those over hyped German cars and vans (remember the burning bus fiasco), the Italian 'pizza', Spanish 'wine' and all the rest of it... they can stuff the whole lot where the sun doesn't shine

Even better if they take remainers, euro enthusiasts and the likes as well... so that will be May, most of the cabinet, most MPs and all of the civil service.

The whole lot are arrogant, unpleasant, deceitful fifth columnists intent on destroying this country

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Any social media accounts to declare? US wants travelers to tell

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mmm... what bollocks

If they need me to tell them what accounts I use then what are their spies doing with all the data they collect? If I was a terrorist would I tell? Of course not. Mind, that never stopped the idiots having a question about being a member of a terrorist organisation on their old visa waiver.... wonder if Jerry Adams said yes or no?

As to my international trips... I really really dont have time to put them all in... one or two a week every week and not to the same countries.

Guess I will just have to say no to any trips to the USA

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Politicos whining about folks' data rights ought to start closer to home

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No exception

You were right, apart from your gesture that the villain in chief is somehow not as bad as the rest - if anything she is worse

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Re: Human behaviour

And today most kids come out with A*s in all their exams in case they feel like failures - even those unable to colour within the lines.

Most of them then proceed to do various ridiculous degrees leading to a life of nothing.

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Re: Human behaviour

The original poster reads to many left wing stories on the BBC and social media because you are correct schools today are very very well resourced.

Most of the resources are either not used or plain wrong but thats a sad different story.

When I did my science PGCE there were stacks of kit in the store room, a couple of people employed just to get the stuff ready for the teachers (when I was a kid the teachers did that themselves). In the corner of this treasure trove were many many old articles unloved, dusty and unused - including 2 mamod engines for showing energy conversions and loss. I made them work again (new washers, lubrication and a polish for good measure).

Since then the BBC has published (including today) many many stories of how short of teachers schools are - especially science teachers. Despite my science teaching qualification, my decent science degree, the many years of IT experience and even my sports coaching certificates I have only ever had one interview (and wasn't even turned down - just never told) despite the hundreds of applications I made (I stopped a few years back when it became clear it was a total waste of effort - a friend of mine from the rugby club got the science teaching job at the local school despite not having a science O level because he was the sports teacher).

Schools are another institution in the UK that need a radical overhaul - starting with an assessment of whether any of the teachers are worth keeping.

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Re: Voting is a public duty

Might just be easier to lock up all politicians (all parties) at all levels (town council to PM and the Lords), the police, the judges, the lawyers and all civil servants because they are just liars.

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Re: Voting is a public duty

If people somehow have a duty to read the bull in political leaflets isn't it time we ensured the bull had at least some resemblance to truth? What about making a promise made in a manifesto legally binding. As in 'we wont raise taxation' stopping them raising tax (and include such bull as national insurance isnt a tax ... it smells like one, walks like one, sounds like one and tastes like one... it is one), or forcing them to obey 'we will have a referendum on the EU constitution' instead of giving it a slightly different cover.

But thenn we can't even manage to bring a former PM to justice for lies told to parliament and the British people, the lives lost by soldiers and even innocent men women and children in a war to satisfy a vengeful American president with no morals.

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Privacy...

Is this what they give us when forcing the web companies to track every website we visit, every search we do, every email we send, every phone call we make or even the location of our phone?

TBH the sooner the lazy idiots get off their backsides and revolt the better, perhaps we can have fun deciding which politician is first against the wall ... the lying but got away with it as expected Blair, or the brexit means brexit but I am never going to do it May, or perhaps the civil servant that thought it clever to let the French make our passports without thinking of the British workers that would make redundant and the extra that is going to cost the tax payer

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Europe dumps 300,000 UK-owned .EU domains into the Brexit bin

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Re: I love it

Yup, the country is going down the toilet BECAUSE of being in the EU. It has got progressively worse since we joined - the trade deficit, unemployment, debt all getting worse because the idiots in the civil service want to get their jollies and back pocket handouts without giving a shit about this country, and the europeans hate us and all we have been so do their best to destroy us.

Frankly May and her cabinet should be hung as traitors along with most of the civil service for failing to obey the democratic will of the people

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Re: Where are the Brexit fans?

Indeed they could, they could also revoke allowing British driving licences and other similar carry ons. But the BBC and the remainers all seem more intent on forcing the British government to open its cheeks and grease its passage and let the EU residents in the UK stay, stay somehow under EU law instead of British law (I am in Germany under German law - but clearly that doesn't matter to remainers) and allow these residents to continue anything they feel like with no change at all regardless.

I have no problem with EU people in the UK, I have a problem with UK civil servants, UK politicians and the warlords of the EU who want everything their own way, our cash and free unbridled access to our markets while telling us we can't access theirs.

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Re: Where are the Brexit fans?

Strangely enough I am going to say May is strong but massively devious. She is a remainer, always has been. If you look at what she has done through that lens it is remarkably sensible...

a) Appoint a bunch of people without any civil service support or much of a clue about negotiation of any sort to be in charge of Britains exit.

b) Call an election she doesn't need then insult and abuse just about everyone who ever has voted conservative in order to ensure that single handedly she loses the almost unlosable majority despite the ridiculous opposition of Corbyn

c) Give upteen years worth of money to the EU despite not needing to in order to ensure that any financial benefit of leaving is destroyed

d) Give in on every single point the EU raises in order to ensure the 'deal' is terrible

e) Postpone the exit with a stupid 'transition' idea because she wants to postpone it as long as possible

This was all agreed at the first meeting between her and the EU and is designed to lead to parliament throwing out the ridiculous mess which she will claim is a deal. She will then stomp around and call another referendum - take the shit deal or stay. She will then ignore the actual votes cast and pretend we changed our minds.

Weak, nope, but a typical modern politician with no respect at all for anything democratic that doesn't agree with her views.

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Re: Where are the Brexit fans?

No, we are NOT racist nor are we thick.

We have the ability to look at cold hard numbers. IF we were to simply replace all those imports from the EU we would not only need to make more than we export but would be massively better off.

Replacing the imports with home made goods - by, for example, not buying French passports because some stupid illiterate burke of a civil servant can't cope with understanding best value is not cheapest and DOES allow us to make decisions regarding our national security, employment and strategic requirements to override pure cheapness - would employ some of the 20% of British people currently not working (and therefore costing the British tax payer a fortune).

Those wanting to leave also notice that we are PAYING for the chance to buy from the europeans while they do NOT buy from us. This is clearly not a necessary expense. I do NOT pay an entrance fee to Tesco or Asda.

Those wanting to leave also note that we currently are 'not allowed' to decide where and what to invest in.

We also seem unable to decide on what basis we want to trade with who in the rest of the world

We face the prospect of our armed forces (the 2 or 3 people left) being subsumed into a european armed forces so we wont even be able to use them to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar

Then there is the move to have our foreign policy dictated by Brussels - so we will probably be told to 'give' Gibraltar to the Spanish and the Falklands to the Argies regardless of what the people living there actually want.

Sorry, it is time to put the stupid and deluded tag where it clearly belongs - on the remainers.

As for everything else, in our 'youth' many people voted to remain in the EEC (after Heath took us in without asking and lied to us about what it was all about). If the 'old' were the main 'leave' voters it is because we were bought up in a school system that taught us to read, write, add and subtract, one that even allowed us to think for ourselves rather than follow the pack. We are the ones who have the ability to analyse and avoid following the 'social media' postings of (I want a job when I leave Westminster) politicians and EU (I am happily on the gravy train) bureaucrats.

To the remainers on here I say if you like the eu that much sod off to the eu and dont bother coming back here again. Racist I am not, but pissed off with the spineless moaning idiots that have spent 50 years turning this country from one of the leaders of the world to a pointless owned state I certainly am.

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Re: Where are the Brexit fans?

WHY? Why would you need an office in the EU to trade there? No legitimate reason for that, none at all. IF the EU come up with such a demand then we need to demand that BMW, Mercedes, Renault etc have manufacturing plants here employing a minimum of 20,000 people before we will let them do business here. Stop being weak and pathetic, this country is way better than needing to beg from the EU or anyone else.

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Re: Where are the Brexit fans?

It is to do with Brexit but you guess right, the next statement is we dont need the .eu crud

We can't sell squat in europe - just go there, go shopping and find there is NOTHING British anywhere. And unlike our government who seems to think it is somehow clever to buy German police cars, German ambulances, German fire engines, German busses, German council trucks, French army trucks, French passports, French IT consultancy, Belgium guns, Swedish guns, American planes, Chinese army uniforms - even Chinese china for Royal weddings... one thing you can be sure of is that the German police and army is equipped exclusively with German vehicles, the French use only French vehicles and even have laws to prevent French passports being made abroad, the Americans change the requirements for their planes when a european plane wins... Get with it and real, we would be better off completely closing our borders to ALL imports and saying stuff it to the rest of the world (just check our trade deficit).

The europeans have made it clear they are happy to take our money but are going to stop us participating in the space program we are paying for, they are going to continue to export to us and charge us for the joy but stop us participating in any rule making... and the list of insults continue but May is too much a remainer and has the sniping egits from Scotland and Wales backing the EU regardless of who actually funds their glossy posts with ENGLISH tax payers money

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UK.gov: Here's £8.8m to plough into hydrogen-powered car tech

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Re: ' Current industrial production of hydrogen gas'

There is another even simpler solution that requires NO change in our petrol cars, NO change in the infrastructure and no research as it already exists

It has been shown to be possible to generate petrol from air using high temperatures created from focusing the sun in deserts (where quite a bit of the current oil and petrol already originates)

Of course thats not sexy but it does take CO2 out to make the petrol and it is recreated when the petrol is burnt. Really using the petrol to store solar energy for us.

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Re: some sense

The Germans, French and Italians all through, indeed are still throwing, money at their industries, they are growing and employing large numbers of people. Nissan, Mini, JLR, Honda, Toyota have all shown a level of basic investment and a sensible management structure create the most efficient car plants in the worl right here in the UK.

Given your anti Brit attitude I guess I could also believe you will tell us next that the UK can't possibly invent anything and must wait for the EU to drip some wisdom in our direction

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Re: "its a whole lot easier to use fireless steam than any of these new fangled ideas."

I think you are somewhat going over board. The fireless steam locos the Victorians built did not have those pressures. You fill it full of very hot water under pressure (rather than literally steam) and it evaporates off as you use the steam to power the vehicle. Add to the story the greater understanding and better materials of today to provide more efficient engines (multi expansion, better seals so less wasted steam, lighter materials, better valve control and even articulated con rods to give variable stroke) and the ranges are easily attainable. The French already have compressed air cars for cities

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recyclable

Like plastic bottles... stick a load of energy and cost into splitting the package apart and then even more to rebuild it and the environmental benefits pop out of the window.

You know my car at 260,000 miles is not the highest mileage petrol car I have had (370,000 - and sold running when I moved country). It has not had a new engine (or anything else for that matter) nothing needed recycling yet.

Then you can look back at the trolley busses, trams and steam trains of old that are still running and realise that these are better technologies than batteries are ever going to be

Hence...fireless steam is the way forward for ordinary cars, rail for lorries and trolley buses and trams for cities, nothing new needs inventing

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Re: what a waste

The people who should pay for Greenfell are the people that caused it.

NOT the British tax payer

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Re: what a waste

It would give a BRITISH startup a start, better than keep sending money abroad... oh no, thats the only thing the BRITISh government seems able to do with BRITISH tax payers money - send it abroad for foreign police cars, foreign passport printing... in fact but foreign at any cost is the government motto

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Re: Two old El Reg "jokes" again

1 I agree with

2 is balls

I dont stop at 300 miles now, why should I in the future? It also implies that I will want to stop when the car has done 300 miles since I last charged which might mean some random point on a much shorter journey if I am not able to charge while I am parked up at a campsite or similar.

Electric cars withplugins are a deadend and are never going to be affordable or practical.

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some sense

Would be even better to put some money into a BRITISH based startup to use one of the disused Vauxhall, or Peigeot or Rover or LDV or ERF or Foden or Bedford plants to build the vehicles

Still dont see what the problem is with steam... its a whole lot easier to use fireless steam than any of these new fangled ideas.

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UK.gov urged to ensure punters can 'still roam like at home' after Brexit

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Re: Oink, oink, flap, flap.

We can remain in the EU suffering the indignity of spending billions to import their goods while they ignore ours, or we can decide that we want to trade properly and sensibly. IF the EU and the telephone companies decide to be stupid then it is simple, nationalise their UK branches and charge them 10 times what they charge us.

Stop being soft and grow a spine, same for all the other crud I see floating around at the moment.... like moving headquarters and jobs out of the UK, if anyone tries this they lose their whole UK operation to nationalisation with ZERO compensation

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Why aren't you being arbiters of truth? MPs scream at Facebook, YouTube, Twitter

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Re: How different from the home life of our own dear government

Exactly, Mr Blair clearly didn't lie, Maggie Thatchers minions in the foreign office never did turn round and tell the Argies they could have the Falklands despite what the Islanders themselves thought.

No doubt May is wondering if she can 'reunite' Ireland and give Gibraltar back to Spain - no backbone at all that slime bag

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Microsoft says 'majority' of Windows 10 use will be 'streamlined S mode'

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They might think that... but ...

This user won't, this user will be using some form of linux DESPITE the fact I really never liked it.

Windows 10 is a total and utter crock. So slow that my laptop can't keep up with my typing in notepad - despite being better spec'd than the last one. The disk is full ... despite having nothing on it. The update program comes up, crashes, comes up again and interrupts me to tell me it can't because the disk is full, then when I cancel it it puts a stupid pop up across the bottom left of the screen for hours (because it is really so slow it takes hours to draw and undraw)

Microsoft need to beware as well - I am also going to drop skype in the bin because it keeps deciding to update and after being told to sod off a couple of times decides it will no longer start unless I let it update, the updates are always worse than the original

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Brit semiconductor tech ended up in Chinese naval railgun – report

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Re: Ironic?

Just looked up 335 full charge shells for a BL 15", apparently most reliable of the war

The Challenger gun gets to 1500 shells... surprising, I recollect being told tank guns had only 3 or 4 rounds before the rifling was too worn but that it was ok as their life expectancy against the over whelming numbers of russian tanks was about 2 shots

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Re: Return of the Battleships?

Even though I heard reports that the bean counters in the MoD are happy to send our warships out around the world without even the most basic missile cover... a million pound missile too expensive to protect a billion pound ship and its crew.

Accountants the bain of everyones lives.

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Re: Return of the Battleships?

Modern sensors allow you to work out the pitch and roll of the ship and therefore adjust your aim for this. We have improved ability to find range, position, speed and direction than ww1 and even ww2 with modern radar

We also dont need to crank handles to aim turrets any more. So in theory we can hit things better than in previous wars.

However with a gun once the shell is on its way it will go where it was aimed. A missile can adjust for many different things - a ship sinking, a ship turning and so on. Mind you ... missiles can also end up confused by bits of tin foil...

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Re: Return of the Battleships?

High rate of fire vs accuracy

In the days of Nelson it worked well, ships at point blank range the more metal you could chuck at the opposing ship the more likely you were to wreck it.

In theory the same applies totally to two battleships... however when the range is 10 or 20 miles you need the accuracy.. it is no good splashing water all around you actually have to hit the opposing ship

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Re: Return of the Battleships?

Thats just our fleet - ill conceived and flawed designs... aircraft carriers many times the size of anything we have had before that cant cope with traditional planes? If we have vertical take off planes then we could have used Ark Royal, Illustrious and Invincible and spent all the billions of the queen elizabeth and whatever the other target is called on building another 5 or 6 of the Invincible class to sail with the ones we had.

We could also have built more Harriers when the yanks were (as usual) late with something that basically fails any test of suitability (such as flying in bad weather or having enough range for a meaningful fight).

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Re: Return of the Battleships?

Possible but the range of a missile and or plane will always be greater than that of a lump of iron/shell however you fire it. This is why you will not replace missiles with these guns. However you might modify the system to do a rapid fire gun and replace the 'goalkeeper' guns with electronically firing ones - the amount of storage required for each 'bullet'/'shell' is smaller because you dont store the explosive and its container.

The laser probably works better than throwing metal around for most purposes anyway.

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So...

In all not much different to us except that they are investing in manufacturing, using spare cash we give them to buy raw materials and generally have a good future ahead because they are planning for it.

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UK's Dyson to vacuum up 300 staffers for its electric car division

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Re: Dyson ain't quite wot it used-er to be

It was the one and only thing Cameron did that he should be proud of. For 40 years after Heath lied to the public politicians have been denying the public a say in the most important decisions on this country - the giving away of our control over our own destiny to other foreign powers, whether you claim that we are 'sharing' or whether you acknowledge that we have 10% of the votes in a block who fundamentally disagree with us and most of whom have a dislike and distrust of us, many of whom actively ignore or break the rules they create in the forum so they can benefit mostly at our expense (see the balance of payments, unemployment and debt compared to 1970)

Cameron needed to have the referendum because UKIP were gaining in strength (3rd largest by vote and getting very very close to the two leading parties) and were on a trajectory to make those dramatic breakthroughs in the first past the post that would have seen them actually able to form government

The French are ignoring the voices of their people and denying them a say, the Danes and Swiss have worked around results of referenda to blatantly disregard their people wishes on joining euro (Danish) and freedom of movement (Swiss). The Irish and others have been asked again when rejecting treaties after meaningless sound bite promises that were subsequently not delivered.

The only politician in europe in the last 40 years to actually listen to the people and take the action needed was Cameron It pains me that it had to be a Conservative on the ropes to be the only one brave enough but it was.

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