* Posts by JKS

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It's Wikipedia mythbuster time: 8 of the best on your 15th birthday

JKS

Re: Why the hate?

You have to define "hate" in this context. The people who genuinely detest Wikipedia are usually people who have tried to participate in the editorial process in some way, and have been seriously burned by it. You're probably referring to the (larger) group of people who simply don't trust it because they know that the preponderance of articles are not written (and certainly not edited) by experts, but rather by (mostly) anonymous internet goons who occasionally have an ax to grind.

That said, wikipedia's lack of accuracy is actually a red herring. You rarely hear of Wikimedia officials, or even Wikipedia users, trying to counter claims of a systemic inaccuracy problem - because they can, somewhat legitimately, use that very problem as a recruitment strategy. (There's a page called WP:SOFIXIT, for example, where they encourage people to deal with the inaccuracies by becoming registered users and participating.)

In your own case, you've cited two examples that conform very well to Wikipedia's target demographic - a CS article and a chemistry article. Most of the inaccuracies are going to be in subjects related to the social sciences, the arts, and of course actual corporations and businesses. But these are almost insignificant in comparison with what goes on in articles that are actually controversial, particularly if politics is involved in some way.

Wikifounder reports Wikiparent to FBI over 'child porn'

JKS
Megaphone

A different approach

The whole question of whether or not these images are "obscene" or promote pedophilia is academic. Obviously there are worse things on the internet, and most of those things are easily accessed by children (though perhaps not as easily as Wikipedia, which doesn't even have any age-limit disclaimer pages). And yes, obviously pedophiles can find far more explicit child-porn on other websites than they can on Wikipedia; IMO nobody seriously disputes that.

The real issue with these images is that they act as a kind of "signal" to pedophiles that Wikipedia is friendly to them, and to would-be pornographers in general. (Wikipedia's coverage of pornography is astoundingly comprehensive, especially for a site claiming to be a general-purpose information reference.) It also acts as a signal to everyone else that maybe Wikipedia is NOT friendly to the vast majority of people who would never be seriously labeled "sexual degenerates."

The danger is not to our kids; parents can usually handle that. The real danger is to our internets. Most people are really, really turned off by this stuff, and eventually it will go too far, inciting large-scale public reaction and forcing politicians to start changing laws. When they do, they're going to impose strict accountability and liability measures across the board, to all websites, not just to sites like Wikipedia that actually deserve to have such measures imposed.

They're already talking about it. Even if they're not the worst offenders, it's long past time for the most prominent sites to start showing some backbone against pornographers, or we're all going to suffer the effects of their self-indulgence.