Like weather forecasts, I'll believe it when I see it.
200 posts • joined 15 Feb 2010
Like weather forecasts, I'll believe it when I see it.
Yet another very good reason to be glad that I abandoned Windows (and all things MS) when Vista came along. While I do agree that Win 7 was the last decent (controllable / properly configurable) Windows version, I don't regret for one moment making the switch. The Linux update process has been an absolute revelation - all OSs should work as well as this. I'm a very happy green penguin now.
Even if I did have unlimited bandwidth, I would still block adverts. I pay for my bandwidth, and advertisers steal it. Simple as that.
I appreciate that I do not know the starting prices from which these price cuts have been calculated, but on the face of it as written ...
To quote from your article, "up to 23 per cent for Linux and 18 per cent for Windows machines". I'd have expected it to be the other way round. Or is it just that M$ greed takes precedence over providing a financial incentive to persuade users to switch to Linux?
Strange company, M$.
Pretty much everyone you deal with online these days seems to be either untrustworthy or dishonest - or both - to some degree. From blatantly "post-truth" news sites, to gathering every possible bit of information about you "to improve your experience", the net seems to be little more than a sea full of dangerous icebergs.
If advertisers, publishers and manufacturers (eg Google, Microsoft, Volkswagen etc.) now complain that the old business model no longer works for them, they have only themselves to blame.
For the rest of us, be cynically sceptical and trust no-one. Sad.
Why Anonymous? I'd give you ten upvotes for that if I knew your name.
The better option is to install (say) Linux Mint, then (say) VirtualBox, and finally Windows (your preferred version) inside the virtual machine. Then disable all Windows internet connectivity. Absolutely and finally.
You now have a fast, stable, fully functional PC with an equally fast, stable version of Windows inside it which is available at the touch of a button. Both OSs running simultaneously on the same machine. If Windows ever needs to talk to the internet - why would you ever want it to? - it can do so safely through the host system.
I'm not a Microsoft user, and I don't usually take much interest in any of their stuff, except when it (ccasionally) impacts adversely on my work in another OS. However, when reading many of the posts under this headline I can't help but wonder why so many people seem to stick with Windows in the first place. Yes, the Windows that I used years ago (XP) sometimes crashed, but I don't recall having constant battles to get work done in the first place. It seems to have got worse with each new iteration, not better.
There are other, much better OSs out there. Just use them.
Any service you buy, in any area of business, IS fallible. Particularly in IT. Keep it in house, with an internal IT team who have documented what they have done, and keep it up to date.
And BACK-UP, BACK-UP and BACK-UP again. Simples.
A bit too late to try to move into a well established market? Again.......
Absolutely! I will only ever run anything made by M$ in VirtualBox on a Mint host. Funny thing is, once (Win 7) has been effectively isolated from it's makers it suddenly becomes stable and well behaved.........
Whatever else you say about Microsoft, you can't fault them on consistency. It never fails....
AND we are still expected to trust the slurpers? Microsoft? Google? Linked in? Facebook etc.? We will continue to get all the confident assurances of course. Safe as houses - just like the banks....
Me? I'm working hard to be invisible and untrackable. That's where I aim to be. Hoping El Reg is properly secure though ...
One upvote to Ghostery. Probably means that none of our (5 - we are small) machines are recorded as running Linux. I'd far rather be anonymous than a statisfic.
Just when I was beginning to think we were getting our archaic libel laws sorted out, this comes along!
I will absolutely never condone this sort of obnoxious behaviour, but unworkable "legislation" surely can't be the best way to address the issue.
There's a worrying implication here that M$ might actually have been listening...... Realistically though, lets just put it down to incompetence as usual.
Rhetorical question, I assume? It is abundantly clear that they don't.
It's fascinating to watch from the standpoint of an external observer, a bit like watching a macabre game show where you know bad things are going to happen, but you really can't foresee what's coming next.
Seriously glad I'm an observer, not a participant.
Might as well be unpopular too. HP issue the HPLIP (HP Linux Imaging and Printing) driver for a large number of their printers in a Linux environment. It's fully functional and just works.
Back in the days (20 yrs ago) when I was a visiting lecturer, my preferences were :-
1 Paper. Hand out lecture notes. Flexible and foolproof, provided you remember to bring them. Also ensures that students have to LISTEN to you, rather than doze off in a darkened room.
2 OHP transparencies. Note that each individual transparency can be produced using a different software package if required. And carry / check on availability of a spare bulb. Super flexible, not stuck to one layout format, not stuck to pre-set display order etc... And hand out a printed set of the slides for revision.
3 Whiteboard / blackboard. Last resort as my handwriting is utterly illegible.......
Even though PowerPoint was available, I would not use it then and I won't use it now. it is an intellectual straightjacket.
AND saved the conference fee ..... Or did the venue have a spectacularly good bar?
If M$ are going to call out all the times their software has screwed users up from a mountaintop, we're going to need a lot more mountains. Seriously, why do people pay good money for this stuff?
(None of this bothers me at all, since I don't use Windows. I have not had any trouble with any of my printers or scanners, throughout numerous system updates over many years. And I can run my OS and software on a fast SSD, while keeping all my data and files on a separate spinning steel HD, without the slightest difficulty.)
I will disable my (fairly fierce) adblocking where experiment and experience show that a site has what I regard as an acceptable advertising policy. Fortunately, El Reg falls into that category. Adblock Plus and Ghostery are disabled here, and I value the content I get to see as a result. I have to add that this is one of only four websites where I have chosen to do this.
By and large, when faced with a decision on content vs adbombing, content usually loses. I have deleted (decluttered?) a lot of bookmarks recently, for sites I will no longer bother to visit, and you know what? I am no worse off, AND I seem to have a lot more time to do productive work.
My personal fallback is to install two (unsynchronised) browsers, one fully adblocked, and the other unprotected. If I really want to visit a less-than-favoured website, I will simply use the unprotected browser. Doesn’t happen often, though.
Do I feel guilty? Hell no.
Even simpler. Don't buy Microsoft. It has come to a sorry pass when even a "polite" organisation like Which has to slate Win 10.
Glad I put on the Penguin Suit all these years ago.......
Essentially demanding money with menaces. I thought this was illegal. Mind you, when Al Capone did it, they could only get him for tax evasion ........
Dead right. And Currys / PC World are not the supplier I am looking for either, so yes, I am happy. Neither know nor care about how Currys / PC World feel about it .......
The PC Worlds of this planet don't sell bare machines because :-
1 It would cut into their profits,
2 They have a cosy marketing relationship with M$ and Apple, where both profit,
3 Next generation PC sales push sales of the latest OS versions, and vice versa, need them or not,
4 And provide an opportunity to load machines with all the data-sucking bloatware they can find.
5 Most consumer purchasers (NOT El Reg readers) would not have a clue about installing an OS from scratch, never mind having the faintest idea that there are perfectly good alternatives to M$ and Apple out there.
The fact that there are lots of suppliers of bare systems out there is of relevance only to those who know, and have clearly defined system requirements. And some pretty uncommon technical skills as well. These are not the people who suddenly have to get a new laptop because their student son sat on his after a night on the booze.
Sad but true. I don't like it, but I can see why Sony won. I'm happy to be in the small minority who can build their own machines - and load Linux - and I expect it to stay that way for a long time yet.
Absolutely right. I have asked, and that was the response I got too. It was pointed out to me that if I were so deranged as to not be slavering over Win 10, I could of course un-install / overwrite it with the OS of my choice. Pre-set hardware constraints permitting, of course. And I'd be forever registered as a happy Win 10 user / statistic. And I'd have paid for the b****y thing too.
There is a very cosy (and profitable) relationship between PC vendors and the OS manufacturers. They can push any PC - OS - bloatware combination they wish with complete part-pricing obscurity. An offer to supply a bare machine would seriously undermine a significant part of that business model. Which is why the big outlets will never do it.
Two or three years ago, the only option for the "deranged" buyer was build-your-own from a list of components, and hope you knew enough to spec your bits properly. Ten minutes on the internet today will easily produce a list of a dozen or so suppliers who will sell you a properly spec'd DIY computer build kit (desktop), or a ready built bare bones machine with no OS (desktop or laptop). Competitive prices too, and a warranty saying it will work for specified OS's.
This can only mean that the demand is there, and that at least some sectors of the marketplace are responding. So that's where I shop now.
Windows on a fridge? At least you could see what was in it without opening the door! The exciting possibilities are endless!
I'm sorry, you can't open the door for the next hour and a half. Update in progress.
I can't let you put that brand of beer in here. It's not supported by M$.
Your SAAS subscription has run out. Door is locked. Pay up or everything melts.
I don't like what you said about me on Linked In ........
Oh yes. Endless possibilities.
If I read this right, you can run anything you like on this generation of chips, EXCEPT for all Windows versions before Win 10. This is a good strategy for defending your consumer base? Really? Seeing that Win 10 seems to screw up everything it comes into contact with, and that every "Windows" release (update) from now on will be essentially a beta at best - faults to be identified first by users?
I have not used anything made by Microsoft for several years now, so I can be quite detached as I observe their decline. But it is still disturbing watching a once great company determined to turn themselves into a toxic brand. Why?
Nice to see a simple statement to the effect that The Register runs on Linux. After all, "everyone knows" that businesses don't use Linux.
One of the initial drivers that made me look seriously at Linux, years ago, was that so many of my clients were making the move anyway. The other was Vista and a serious lack of support for very wide format (£3000+) printers. Ubuntu did support them. Thank you, Microsoft; that really helped the decision making process. Glad to see that you are keeping up the good work.
Linux users as a "silent majority"? Discuss.
to computer repair? I'd advise against that, as there will be so few Win 10 users left before long that you won't have a sustainable business.
Seriously, just how many consecutive cock-ups can you make in quick succession and still have a viable business at all? Why on earth are MS so keen to earn the "toxic brand" label? How to wreck a once great business....
Yup. It is called Windows 10. It is comprehensive, all embracing and apparently all destroying. Of course, you do not need to pay anything at all for your next OS......
Love it! Definitely worth an upvote. I will certainly use that response the next time someone tries to push a loyalty card on me.
Complete? I think you meant compete. They are not competing, and have not been competitive in mobile from the outset. I can't imagine why they should wish to turn Microsoft into a toxic brand, but it seems to be about the only thing they can really do well right now. Sad.
Sadly, I suspect that the only business sector to study this set of findings and attempt to apply them will be the adslingers. If any of them can actually read and understand the paper (PDF), that is. So some hope remains...
M$ still not listening to their prisoners (sorry - customers). Nothing new here. Glad I'm well out of it.
Why on earth did I abandon M$ all these years ago? What was I smoking back then? Think of all the fun I could have had sorting out borked machines..... Ah well, it is too late to go back now.......
Just curious to know why you are switching away from Win "later this year". Why not just do it now, and enjoy the peace and calm it brings.
Oh! Note the automatic assumption that you will be switching to Linux! You are, aren't you?
people don't want ANY adds pushed in their faces. There. Fixed it for you.
Oh ... The only reason adds are pushed is that the pushers know very well that you don't want them.
Could it just be this simple? Potential users have recognised Windows for the malware it is, and are (quite rightly) refusing to use it. That's all there is to it. MS appear to realise that they are losing the battle to sell Windows, but every move they make seems calculated only to make matters worse. A bigger hammer is pointless if you can't hit the right nail with it.
For the first time in their history, MS are faced with a marketplace in which there are real, viable alternatives. I'm beginning to wonder if the hole is just too deep to climb out of this time.
Now they've hit the round running, lets see how much more they can get rid of. There may even be a serious risk of stripping it down to the point of being a serious contender for an operating system. Or is that a step too far........
Is it that I detest PowerPoint presentations, or just PowerPoint presenters - or both? Still not sure, and I have been exposed to far too many of both.....
For the ultimate PowerPoint put-down (sorry, critique) I would refer you to Edward Tufte's 2003 short article entitled "The cognitive style of PowerPoint". The words "cognitive" and "style" are of course used tongue-in-cheek. See https://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint for the cover page. If you don't know who Tufte is, he is THE guru of effective visual information and content.
PowerPoint remains the ideal straightjacket for presenters who have no ideas or information to impart, but is useless for any other purpose.
No. Sorry to destroy your exclusivity. You are not the only one. In fact, like me, you are one among millions. For the top six reasons not to degrade to Win 10, just scan the top 100,000 posts on Win 10 in El Reg, analyse statistically, and pick you favourite six out of the top twenty.
Cynicism apart, you probably can't decide when you "want" Win 10. Microsoft will / would prefer to make that decision for you. If you stick with M$, you WILL eventually get Windows, no matter how hard you resist.
There is, of course, an alternative. Just follow the Penguin.....
They're not (can't be) selling my (current) data. I have not used anything made by MS in the last 6 years. There are perfectly good non-slurping alternatives out there. To quote from the July 12 issue of Info World :-
"Today, the best Linux desktop is the latest version of Linux Mint: Linux Mint 18 Sarah with the Cinnamon 3.0 interface. Indeed, from where I sit, it’s not only the best Linux desktop, it’s the best desktop operating system – period."
OK, that's only an opinion, but it is an informed one. And I still use 17.3 LTS, because it is LTS. It is by far the most stable, and the easiest OS to install and manage that I have ever experienced. 17.3, with FOSS software, gives me everything I need to operate successfuly.
I'm off out of here quick, because I can already hear the Redmond trained wolves howling in the distance.......
Linux host OS, VirtualBox, and an old copy of Win7 and you have pretty much got it all covered. Just make sure not to let the virtual Win 7 talk to it's makers - ever. You don't need "security updates" if you keep it away from the net.
Yes, I too put on the Penguin suit about 6 years ago. I also went to college - about 50 years ago - before PCs were even invented. If I can make the switch in my late 60s, anyone can do it. By the way, there is no way I will ever go back to MS, even if they do survive for a few more years.
Follow the penguin. It just works.
This ruling will be challenged. Even if indirectly. MS have a lot of reputational damage to repair, so they were almost obliged to contest the original request to slurp. The key questions now are :-
How badly does the US Gov. want access to the data? and
How much are MS willing to spend to retain / rebuild their reputation?
Not to be cynical, but at the end of the day, Gov. has more money to spend than MS if it wants to. MS may fight for a bit and then concede, gaining the benefit of having tried without spending too much before backing off. I'll bet someone is doing some very careful calculations right now, both sides of the fence.
Even though I don't use anything made by MS any more, I still talk to people who do, so a lot of my communications will be out there. Still, full marks for pushing back and winning round one.
They may well be listening to their customers, but they are certainly not hearing them. They are ignoring anything that they don't want to hear. Such as, for example, customer resentment of spyware, bloat and bandwidth consumption. Just to start a very long list.....
I'm increasingly happy that I have nothing to do with M$.
Past performance is usually a good indicator of future performance. (See LI profiles for clarification of the general principle). MS could easily write off a past loss of ($8 bn - Nokia), but a future loss of $26 bn really will scare the shareholders. I suspect there will be many more than 1,850 unfortunate profiles looking for new jobs this time.
Just a question of when?
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