Re: @ Dan 55
Cheers for that tip about voting
I would say people here have said companies are not going to be just turning up and starting trading immediately and you have been pretty dismissive of the idea that's not possible. I'd refer to your comments to smooth newt several comments back which I quoted from.
"I cannot see hundreds of British companies just rocking up to China on 30 March 2019 and opening hundreds of widget shops or whatever which instantly displaces most of the existing competition selling widgets, and who may have spent decades building up their market share."
I think I am seeing the problem with your view of trade.
"How long do you think it takes to build up significant market share from zero in the face of existing competition and a mature market for your product, because in most cases that is what they will face?"
Yup. Definitely seeing the error of your ways. I am not even sure where to start if your world view is that far wrong.
Likewise your response to me when I said it's not a simple process was to go on about Iceland, like I had said trade would not happen without a voting block, when did I ever say that?
This seems to be twisting my argument, and your argument and now being an accusation that I have created a straw man, whereas I feel there's some obfuscation in your response now to change it to a new argument itself.
I have not said it's impossible, I have said it's tricky will not happen quickly and it's a big risk takes time and investment for a lot of companies, especially if they have no idea how to approach it and it won't be a quick process. Smaller companies especially. Many are going to fail hard, if they lose trade from Europe and have to replace that with China then they may fail even harder.
Also as far as I understand trade deals mainly sort out taxes and tariffs etc, a company that has to make up it's trade short fall has to actually go and do it themselves, the government will help a bit, but those companies for the large part are on their own and have to figure it out themselves, or pay someone to figure it out for them.
"because we voted Brexit and are now a proud nation that everything will fall in line"
Seems to be an attitude amongst a lot of Brexiters, and some of the attitude our current gov seems to be taking to the table.
"people will try and give us beneficial trade deals that may hurt them but that's how it works right"
OK that was hyperbole based on the prev statement. :)
As for loony fringe, some of the example i have been given for voting Brexit
"I don't like David Cameron"
"You don't understand what it was like in the 70s we should go back to that"
"You do not understand manufacturing, this will be a great boost, doesn't matter if the pounds weakened people will buy more from us"
"I voted Brexit, just to see what would happen, but I thought it wouldn't go through"
"We need to secure our borders against people like the Syrians"
None of these struck me as irrational people, but their arguments for Brexit ... fuck me.