Re: a matter of pride? @JMCH
Yes, I understand that, but as I said, it's been demonstrated that vaccinated people can act as carriers just as much as unvaccinated people. For example:
Ah yes but some is considerably less than all.
"Those people are relying on herd immunity to keep their kids or themselves alive..."
Bit of a push. Thanks to improved hygiene and modern medicine, death rates from measles, whooping cough etc were already close to nil in the 1950s before widespread vaccinations.
"allowing things like measles and whooping cough to flourish thinking they are minor diseases..."
It is certain that these are not minor diseases, but let's not over-exaggerate their danger either. This isn't ebola we're talking about. When I was young we weren't routinely given a measles vaccination. I caught it in my early teens, was home for a few days and was back on my feet without a problem. Most of my peers had it at one point or another and we just enjoyed the days out of school, got ourselves teh immunity and that was that.
1. People with suppressed immune systems don’t tend to get the minor touch from diseases, it hits them full on, there was recently a viral post about a girl who after a kidney transplant got whooping cough, that was full on intensive care and almost dying.
2. They are both dangerous enough and they have been downgraded a lot due to modern medicine fair enough, however the argument these diseases are lesser now due to modern medicine and practices would to me be a good argument for using modern practices like vaccinations to prevent them. Also that’s a certain casualness about something that could change / adapt over time if allowed to flourish, this is why I made the slight dig about polio, people start going well measles only caused a few deaths and a little blindness it can’t be that bad, when it used to be a big enough killer.
Also if someone doesn't vaccinate their little darling and then they cause some other kid to get ill is that not assault also? You deliberately allowed your child to carry a preventable disease with no care of the consequences of what happens to some other poor sod who can't fight it. Seems pretty heinous to me.