I use both, but LibreOffice currently has more capabilities.
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Let's see what the sweet, kind, new Microsoft that everyone loves is up to. Ah yes, forcing more Office home users into annual subscriptions
Um ... the MSOffice formats ARE propietary! Were you around for the switch from Office 95 to Office 97?
Do you realize now the work that must be done by other software companies to bring the MS formats into their programs?
The Open Document Format (odf) is truly non-propietary.
I've used LibreOffice and its predecessors since 1999.
Re: It's 2018
The Mrs. and I have been through seven different OS's (she is definitely the trooper!)
Color Computer Color Basic (OS/9 very briefly)
Windows 1.03 (would almost equate this with 10, the basic colors, non-overlapped windows)
Windows 3.1 - Vista
Linux - various, but primarily PCLinuxOS for 2 years and LinuxMint for 10
Re: Block IE and Edge
I dual boot LinuxMint and win10 at my office computer. Twice a year, I update windows, in case it gets used, to keep it safe. Just completed that task on Monday. It took from 11am - 6pm! Three reboots!
Once that was done, rebooted into Mint and noticed update available, including kernel update. Took less than 15 minutes, and I kept working! No restarts required!
Re: The edge is nothing more than a ripple in the pond
Traveled western US with some friends, one a guy from Sweden. He made us stop every 15-20 minutes driving across Kansas. He would take a picture. We kept asking, "Why are you taking a picture of 'nothing?'" (To us, the expanse of cornfields going off to infinity was nothing.) He just kept mumbling, "They won't believe how huge it is!"
Weren't all these add-ons like Paint, WMP, Internet Explorer,etc. meant to kill off some competing application and/or to give impression of the completeness of the OS by including it into windows?
Are these features being taken out now to fill out the Windows Store with more applications?
Re: "those who run Redis without requiring a password for connections"
First, if you read the article, you need a poorly secured server running Redis.
Second, from Redis' own site:
"Redis is an open source (BSD licensed), in-memory data structure store, used as database, cache and message broker."
So, it isn't Linux!
Re: A world first!
"The same effect is true on Windows, Linux and Mac."
Yes, Chrome is running hot and heavy on my laptop running LinuxMint (which had win8 installed for about 10 minutes). However, there is no way to test Edge. So, until MS makes it available for more than one OS, we will never know if this test is because of internal code benefit. (MS has been known to do this! http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf)
I can't help you on virtualbox, except point to a youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t5kECk_U_Q
I'm running Remix on Linux Mint (following simple directions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/remix/remix-os/remix-os-installation-rooting-t3293769).
My problem isn't getting it to run, but actually using it. It is familiar enough, but just enough different, that some actions seem exasperating.
Don't get me wrong! Remix is extraordinary in getting Android working in multiple, resizable windows. I was having trouble scrolling within the windows, getting app screen icons to open the app, having my gmail account suddenly being no longer associated with Remix after 20 minutes of operation.
Re: Microsoft are a large company
"Look at the work they did allowing the SAMBA devs access to all the SMB/CIFS documentation even while Ballmer was still in charge."
December 20th 2007. Today the Protocol Freedom Information Foundation (PFIF), a non-profit organization created by the Software Freedom Law Center, signed an agreement with Microsoft to receive the protocol documentation needed to fully interoperate with the Microsoft Windows workgroup server products and to make them available to Free Software projects such as Samba.
Microsoft was required to make this information available to competitors as part of the European Commission March 24th 2004 Decision in the antitrust lawsuit, after losing their appeal against that decision on September 17th 2007.
That's why they "allowed" access to the documentation!
Again, as the OP said, one has to be searching for wifi devices, and someone else on that network has that brief moment to inject themselves into the other phone. And the damage? Reboot!
Microsoft has "rebooted" many relationships with partners and written out third-party vendors by adding their own apps and extensions. They spent much time and resources on giving their own programs the inside track, and slowed or restricted others from these same connections.
They did all this instead of writing in better security, interoperability and using established standards.
Re: What's Google afraid of?
I ran win8 long enough on my machine to get to a setting on the "charms" bar to make a change so I could install Linux.
To get to that point, I had to accept the EULA, even though I never intended to use win8.
See the problem there?
[Oh, and I am one of many who don't have to struggle with Patch Tuesdays. Mine are delivered when necessary and needed, and I apply them, and continue on with my productivity.]
Re: It depends on the distro...
"No, the biggest problem with Linux is that installing programs."
If you insist on installing programs as you were taught in Windowsland, then yes, you will have difficulty.
If you have any familiarity with iOS or Android, you know how to install programs in Linux, as Linux was doing it that way longer.
Many Linux distros have a software manager, the name may be different for each distro, which acts like a store. You search by category,name or keyword for an application you wish to install.
You click to install, the manager adds any necessary library packages, and installs them.
You can do multiple installs at the same time, and no re-boots needed.
So...when MS had the chance to do things differently on different hardware, when they released their first tablet in 2002, they absolutely missed it. The motion for opening menu and clicking on sub-menus, as you so succinctly shared, was brought over from the desktop...
...and we saw how great that worked!
Re: Cloud OS
Sorry about the name, my lovely wife is a Potts, out of habit, I guess.
Mind you, I am not an IT specialist, barely a network user. Just seemed like what you were describing was MS combining the work of the "os" and the local machine along with the server, as you said:
"This is an operating system that gives you a single point of management and a single layer of APIs, storage interface and what-have-you stretching from your server closet to the local service provider to Microsoft's Azure data centres around the world."
To me, in a way, like Chrome OS allows doing everything in one browser layer. That was my comparison.
You can ease your mind...its just the way mine works...
Re: Rather strange
Linux is not a security hazard compared to windows, no matter what the age, as long as the updates are available and current.
The sharing of files and file types is easier through Linux, because Linux was built on the Internet, using standards and knowing it needed to share to be usable. Either use the older MSOffice formats or pdf to share to most other OS'.
With Linux being used more and more in the scientific, server, military, 96% of the top 500 supercomputers, and of course on the majority of mobile systems, it is the OS to know going into the future.
Re: I can't see Elop being the right man for the job
Elop, instead of taking Nokia onto more of the mobile stage by using as many of the available OSes as possible, ditched all and chose one, WP. Some say it is too early to judge the outcome, but it appears to have been so-so, at best.
So now, he would heave Office onto each and every OS available?
He is not being consistent.
Unless, it is to be consistently MS focused, and the tech is already re-calibrating its view of that dinosaur.
Lightzone - lightroom replacement - free and open source
LightZone is a free, open source digital photo editor software application. It was originally developed as commercial software by the now-defunct Light Crafts. Its main purpose is to handle the workflow when handling images in various RAW formats. It is comparable to Adobe Systems's Photoshop Lightroom. (from widipedia)
Available for linux, osx and windows.
win for me?
win for me?
Have an older friend (70+) who returned a new win8 laptop less than a week after purchase (coming from XP), came back from the store with a laptop with win7 installed.
Now, a month later, having problems with and doesn't like the new MSOffice (ribbon interface). Helped go through an install of LibreOffice today. "This is better than the Office I paid for! I like it."
Now, maybe she'll take a look at Linux... as her win7 is also bogging down.
... which would make a lie of two more "strengths" of Ballmer's
Re: Wait, hear that?
,,,but MS is responsible for the extended XP's life when they kept it going to 'save' the netbook line from the 'evil cancer,' Linux. (Vista was too bloated to fit the limits of the netbook's hardware.)
So put the blame on MS for this length of service time!
BTW, if you know someone with an XP box, offer them a dual-boot with a modern Linux; Mint, Ubuntu, or any of the top distros. Using wine, much of their windows games and programs can still but used and run ... or they may discover that the Linux programs are valiant replacements, and many of those already installed with the Linux distro.
My grandson and I met a docent at the Air Force Museum in Dayton who had been an SR-71 driver. My grandson asked if anyone ever had to eject from one, and he had! Not everyone survives such an event he assured us.
Everything else, the leaking fuel, the long, long flights, the glowing of skin at speed just added to the allure.