Re: @Manolo - "well meaning people"
"You talk about "believing the media". In the link you give (published in August 2014, I note), it claims "Hundreds of Islamic State supporters", yet in this one, from the BBC it says "a group of some 20 men were captured on video waving the black flag of jihadist groups and voicing support for the militant group Islamic State (IS)" and this one says "The Public Prosecutor's report of the rally said that "there were only 40 to 50 people present…", so whose figure do you accept? Whatever the case, I think you'd agree that they are a tiny minority of the Muslims in the country."
Oh, so, if there were 50 instead of 200 I should be 4 times less worried that these psychopath live a stone's throw away from me? I'll give it a try. But I think the real worry is that there are sufficient of these idiots around, and it is not significant if there are 50 or 200. We've seen in Paris and in San Bernardino how many it takes.
"> Meanwhile, an elementary school in Amsterdam can no longer toast to the New Year with their pupils with fake alcohol-free bubbly,
Do you have a Dutch version of the Daily Mail? That sounds like one of their sort of stories!"
You are using some very dubious argumentation here. It is only true if published in The Grauniad? Sorry mate, straight from the horse's mouth this one, don't even know if it even made the media.
"> where I draw the line is when they live in our societies and are infringing on our beliefs and freedoms, by by pushing their medieval beliefs on us,
Yet it's OK for us to stomp all over the Middle East and infringe on *their* beliefs and tell *them* how they should live our lives because *WE* know better?! Pots and kettles come to mind."
Do I say that is OK? Or does it give them the right to behave the way they do in the West?
Very dubious argumentation again.