Re: Western Propaganda is Global
"Who told you, you were advanced? You."
Education and media, unless you mean "you" in the sense of "all westerners", which may be the case as your first sentence belies the chip on your shoulder. Stereotyping us as all being the same is the quickest way to end any conversation with somebody who might like to think differently.
"Who told you, you were a model to impose on everyone? You."
Same as above, but I don't believe it. For all that is right with the west (in my opinion), there is just as much wrong. Look at how the two main English speaking countries are falling apart because of internal strife. A model for the rest of the world? Uh, no.
"Your culture merely teaches idolatry."
Yup, excessive interest in so-called celebrities and people that can kick a ball around.
I think the reason why a lot of people like Johnson (and Trump, over that way) is not because they're any damn use but because of a cult of personality. We let being a gigantic buffoon cover over stunning incompetence and outright falsehoods.
It is all mindless drivel, and social media is just pumping out more and more of that sewerage. People pay attention to that, and horrible things escape their notice.
"Social welfare?"
Interesting that you make a direct link between that and immigration.
"What about the people that depend on those exports?"
Oil is a stunningly bad example given that the oil companies keep on declaring record profits and those who supply the crude have more money than they know what to do with. Bumping up prices and/or cutting production is just greed. The sole and only part of the fuel chain that isn't a giant conspiracy of greed...are the ones paying to fill up their tanks.
"Why do think there are wars and chaos all over the place?"
Human nature.
"Because your so called supremacy is imposed with weapons of mass destruction. That's all."
Yes, we have a disturbing tendency to enforce our will with things that explode.
However, it sounds a lot like you're blaming the west for all of the chaos and war and suffering in the world.
Really? The west made an agreement with the Taliban and left Afghanistan. Things went to shit very rapidly. Don't try to make out that we in the west are the only bad guys in the world. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/07/they-beat-girls-just-for-smiling-life-in-afghanistan-one-year-after-the-talibans-return
"Democracy? There are millions of muslims in Europe, do they have a say?"
A say in what context? If they are citizens of a country then they get to vote, and have access to the same social services as other citizens. Yes, there may be some degree of discrimination. Same as if they were black, or from The North. Unfortunately it happens, because some people get a kick out of messing with others. It's not right and it's not fair but it happens.
"many European countries took many repressive measures against muslims"
If you're referring to the bans on burqa, in the west it is generally considered incompatible with people's rights to require a woman to cover *everything*, walk so many paces behind a man, etc. There is already oppression happening, but certain people only see one type because the other is proscribed from on high and thus cannot be questioned.
"because that's what the western propaganda says"
Al Jazeera, propaganda. Russia Today, propaganda. Fox News, propaganda. I don't think it's possible to point at *any* channel and say "there's no propaganda there". Every country and every channel has biases, whether state sanctioned or just an assumption of "we're right".
"Who did what? What happened to the irresistible uprising???"
Simple. What happened in the Arab lands is exactly the same as happens in the west. Shit rises to the top. America is a country of around three hundred million people, and I have no doubt there are some amazing people in that country. But look who is in charge of things, be it the President or the Supremes or state legislators. Far too many are somewhere between batshit crazy and simply evil.
Now apply the same logic to Europe. Then to the rest of the world.
This is not a problem of the west, it's a problem of how mankind evolved, the innate violence in our history that goes back to proto-humans, far before there was God and/or Allah (or whatever), far before the continents had names. To solve problems with violence is in our nature. To overcome this and try to solve problems with compassion and shared resources? That's how we became civilisations.
It's a work in progress.
Biting the hand that feeds IT
