* Posts by peter_dtm

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CERN 'gags' physicists in cosmic ray climate experiment

peter_dtm
Stop

and

have you seen just how mucj money bp & shell give to greenpeace; wwf; CRU ?

CO2 is plant food - basic O level biology. Climate has always changed. Climate is a chaotic system. And; if you build a model assuming CO2 is the most important variable (even though you have no idea what variables there are; how they interact over what time period) it should not surprise you when all the model results show CO2 as the most impotent variable.

Meanwhile real world data continues to falsify the CAGW hypothesis.

And how much CO2 are they advocating removing ? Any that is beneficial to man for starters. They have this strange idea that a snapshot value of the dynamic climate is the 'right' mix - dispite the fact that CO2 has been over 1000 ppm in the past and at less than 140 ppm plants stop working.

ICO orders release of (mostly useless) weather station data

peter_dtm
Flame

but

most skeptics work for a living.........

peter_dtm
Mushroom

oh for heavan's sake

I suggest you do a tiny little research and find out how much shell; bp; exon etc are making out of 'alternative energy' - I'd also have a quick look at who helps fund CRU. (hint they are better known as an Oil major)

but that doesn't detract that most in the AGW movement are funded by Greenpeace; WWF; TERI and governments - non of whom are exactly un-biased.

peter_dtm
Mushroom

err

the datasets are used to validate the HINDCASTING capability of the models

the models which are attempting to model a chaotic system with a large number of unknown variables interacting in a complex and chaotic way; which is not understood (and therefore can not be modeled). The same models which are used as *proof* of AGW (read the IPCC papers to see how many times the proof is the output of a model). The same models which assume CO2 is a primary driver of climate change.

They run the models against historic readings and see if the resulting 'climate' agrees with the historic record. They 'tune' the input parameters (none of which they have empirical proof for; which they therefore don't understand; apart from CO2 MUST be one of the important ones) until the hindcast agrees with history. They then run the model forwards in time; using parameters designed to get from a to b in a chaotic system; and pronounce the outcome as valid. ITS A CHAOTIC SYSTEM. That means the hind cast matters as much as the last spin of the roulette wheel matters when placing your £1000000000000000000000000 bet on the next spin.

The models are a busted flush. And judging by Harry's readme - there were several scientists behind the scenes working feverishly to come up with an equation (or set thereof) to match the existing data that could then be used to predict future trends.

Refusal to unveil scuppers French refusal-to-unveil trial

peter_dtm
Mushroom

why

why encourage sexism ?

why are these sexist females (we assume they are female; but can't see) allowed to demand special treatment based on their sex ?

Why are they allowed to commit a sexual hate crime against me - they don't know me; why are they allowed to assume based only on my sex; that I intend them harm.

No male is allowed to refuse to deal with some one else because they are female; why are these females allowed to demand that they only deal with women. The only time that is appropriate behaviour is during body and/or strip searches.

Where are all the feminists demanding equal rights ? - oh that's right - two legs good four legs bad (or two mammaries good; 2 testes bad)

Egyptian ad gives Vodafone credit for revolution

peter_dtm
Unhappy

Well

Yes of course the govmnt can shut down any radio based system since all radio licences have a clause stating something along the lines of :

Cease transmitting at the request of the Secretary of State or his duly authorised deputy

So all the cell towers can be turned off at the whim of a politician or civil servant

El Reg pays by phone – mmmm, free cookies!

peter_dtm
Trollface

because

they have to make sure you're not a druggie or crime boss doing money laundering.

And since its on line; they can not demand to see 15 different statements (who the hell has paper statements now days ?) your passport; your birth certificate and a letter giving you permission to put your money in your account from A Blair and G Brown.

Seriously go try put a couple of hundred quid in your bank account - or get a mortgage - it is mind blowingly stupid

Of Windows patch management

peter_dtm
Pint

wow

exactly - well put

trouble is; many IT professionals seem to have no concept of the need to understand what all those clients and servers ACTUALLY DO (apart from run Windows)

I hope you're in the IT crowd on one of my sites ! Any way; let me buy you a pint ...

peter_dtm
Flame

oh

I was hopping to see a discussion on the PRODUCTION Environment and/or the AUTOMATION Environment and/or the DCS Environment. But most of all I would expect to see a discussion on the VALIDATED Environment.

This explains why Automation and Control type engineers hate the IT mob.

You will NOT patch the process control servers or clients or routers WITH OUT getting your patches cleared by the relevant manufacturer/control engineers. And that may take MONTHS.

MicroSoft patches have in the past crippled factories - and caused them to go bust; because some idiot from IT applied a patch that broke the critical production servers.

See; it was you lot that persuaded managers and bean counters to force us onto Windows platforms - instead of nice bespoke systems - and you are STILL insisting on patching locked down systems with out testing first - and no; not testing on WIn2xxx Ry - but on a per-production server - or Virtual copy.

Even with that level of control; Microsoft patches are still known to break servers and cause loss of production - that can run into days.. and cost jobs.

Personal jetpacks and solar-powered ships

peter_dtm
Coat

but

All our power sources are solar sourced - nuclear comes from dead stars so I suppose may not count as 'Solar' in the strictest sense.

Wind is solar generated (what no sails !).

And of course all those lovely fossil fuels were all ultimate the result of solar energy impinging on the planet - mainly in days gone by when the CO2 concentration was many times higher than it is now.

BOFH: Attack of the Global Corporate Overlords

peter_dtm
Pint

a1

biggest problem with LN is the outlook muppets who cock up the admin side of Domino servers.

And of course the useless idiots who'd upgrade anything mikysoft says; but leaves the entire international company on LN 6.5 . Nor will they give training; nor will they use teamrooms - who the hell needs all those micky mouse shares and other strange OS level stuff.

Outlook - years behind; ln 6.5 is still better than whatever patch/release of the worlds best selling virus company has forced everyone to upgrade to.

No - I don't work in that line at all; nor for Lotus (but I did work for IBM back in the 90s - and we could simultaneously work on the same document from different offices/hotels).

Supreme Court: DNA database retention regs are unlawful

peter_dtm
Badgers

yeah well but no maybe

they normally quote million to one chance of being wrong match

well what I want to know is; with 60 million people in the UK - where are the other 59 people who match ? Have they found any of them ?

one out of 60 - sounds like reasonable doubt to me...

Save the planet: Stop the Greens

peter_dtm

Watermelons

Green on the outside

Red on the inside (don't tell me you didn't realise all the communists had vanished - ? Well now you know where the went).

Most Greens are a-scientific; and demonstrate no understanding of how anything more advanced than a wheel and a wood fire actually work. They can normally be spotted telling OTHER people how to live; frequently ignoring their own (unwanted useless) advice

Japanese nuke meltdown may be underway

peter_dtm
Grenade

Yup

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/11/nuclear-meltdown-race-to-save-reactors-in-japan/#com-head

Go to the end of the comments.

The politicians, journalists & ludites will continue to blather on without any technical understanding, apart from "it is nuclear"

Cheap headlines, find and follow some of the engineering blogs discusing this. Journos, politicians and ludites have long a long history of being unable to do simple arithmatic, do yo really believe they can handle the maths required to understand anything more complex than 2+2=4 ?

peter_dtm
Grenade

No NO NO NO

Chernobyl was badly designed and *ran* with a control system that would not be allowed to run your central heating boiler it was so seriously crap.

Following Three Mile Island's problem (over hyped as usual) modifications were made and the industry learnt a little bit more about being amazingly safe.

peter_dtm
Stop

can't

can't blow up

with the control rods in (which they are) it just needs to cool down - this takes a little time.

for all the other doom merchants

there's been a 8.7 magnitude earthquake and a 30ft tidal wave

And

there is a minor problem at TWO rectors.

Not much else around there survived at all; never mind still working - apply sopme brain power to the implications of this

Second explosion rocks Japanese nuke plant

peter_dtm
Alert

Look here

http://skepchick.org/2011/03/a-conversation-with-my-dad-a-nuclear-engineer-about-the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant-disaster-in-japan/

Or

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/11/nuclear-meltdown-race-to-save-reactors-in-japan/

Japanese earthquake sparks nuclear emergency

peter_dtm
Grenade

Well

It is a nuclear emergency because international agreements designate ANY emergency that takes place at a nuclear plant IS a Nuclear emergency. That would include some one having a heart attack.

For an ongoing engineering discussion try

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/03/11/nuclear-meltdown-race-to-save-reactors-in-japan/#com-head

No, it's nothing to do with Climate Change, that blog does a lot of science too

Chicken Little report: Sat-nav dependency spells DISASTER!

peter_dtm
Happy

nice

just bumped into PTP this week - it is rather impressive - but the assumption here (Industrial Automation and Control) was that the source would be ...

GPS - special module designed to fit in the PLC rack (if I said 1756 I'd give away who I work for ....).

Complete with switches to PTP standard that know how long it takes a PTP packet to route through it !

Impressed - oh yes...

peter_dtm
Coat

tks om

saved me writing that up

As an ex Sparky (RE/O- Radio Electronics Officer) I am horrified that the Grey Funnel Line (Royal Navy) had an OOW who doesn't know what callsigns are - how did he get his bridge ticket with out his R/T ticket ? No R/T (radio telephone) ticket no talky on bridge vhf set. No talk on Bridge VHF set - no watch keeping officer certificate; so no standing as OOW (Officer of the Watch).

And of course the new site for MSF doesn't even cover the UK.

So MSF on 16KHz - GBR on 5MHz and 10MHz along with WWV (Colorado US) and WWVH (Honolulu)

Callsigns don't stand for anything - though occasionally the licensing authority will assign a sequence of letters that 'make sense' - GBR was at Rugby (GB R - Great Britain Rugby)

peter_dtm
Headmaster

Decca run by who ?

AFAIK

In the beginning there was OBOE - a WWII German hyperbolic navigation system - you followed the phase interference pattern between two radio transmitters - each transmitting on a different multiple of a base frequency . The Time Difference patterns that the Phase patterns represent form hyperbole around the two transmitter masts. OBOE was set to 'read' a TD and output a warble when you were on it - with distinctive tones for being to the left or right - easy navigation until the Britts (DECCA Company) started interfering with it & 'bending' it so they missed. Over target was indicated by another 'beam' which crossed the navigation beam over the target. (See Arthur C Clarke's 'Glide Path')

Post war the DECCA Navigation Company was set up which LEASED Decca Navigators to end users (ships/aircraft/surveyors). The Decca Navigator Company used the lease money to make a profit and maintain all the Decca Transmitter chains around the world. Decca works with THREE frequencies (all multiples of some base frequency - 3f; 5f; 7f ). The base frequency gives the base accuracy. If I remember correctly it was some 100 metres or better at extreme range and approached 10 metres or better in the area between the three transmitters.

They also had HiFix Decca - which was accurate to better than 0.5m with in the coverage area (pilotage from Euro1 buoy to Europort first time I saw it used I was amazed as the Pilot wanted to know the mid point of the Decca Aerial - he then stood 'under' that point for the run in to Europort).

The Yanks refused to allow Decca to operate in the US as Decca's leasing model apparently broke some US law. However the Washington Chain (in Canada) was used by non US airlines going to Washington; and the East Canadian Chain was used for trans-Atlantic flights.

DECCA was a commercial organisation that built and maintained its transmitters and leased out its receivers. You could quite easily train OOWs in its accurate use.

Loran is/was moderately rubbish - its base frequency is around 100KHz- 400KHz range I think - pretty low so inherently inaccurate. But then it was designed to cover the mid ocean gaps between Decca Chains - so it didn't NEED to be accurate. Then there was OMEGA the benighted US attempt to use hyperbolic navigation on a global basis (f around 16KHz) and was a farce of Monty Python proportions

I had the pleasure of sailing with a Magnovox Sat Nav - the first commercial Sat Navs - serial number 00001 ! In the days before the 'cage' was established and you could wait 6 hours to get 'lock'

Boffin breakthrough doubles Wi-Fi speed

peter_dtm
Coat

qsl !

yes similar background - I have been wondering what all the fuss is about; it's not as if frequency diversity is very hard; and a good comb filter if you want to go for spread spectrum is pretty easy to do now days. Just thinking ship board we had - 1k5Watt tx signal; aerial diversity at less than 0.1 of a wavelength (so effectively not separated...) and incoming signal on the rx aerial of a few micro watts can't be bothered to do the dB calculation but its 10^-6 to 10^3 (10^9) order of magnitude

For the null to work they are going to have to be single channel boxes - rigid aerials in epoxy ? or little aerial plug ins for each channel - admin nightmare...

I imagine with a reasonably accurate aerial alignment plus modern DSP chips this may work - but a good DSP and properly designed RF circuits would probably result in the aerial geometry only adding a couple of dB improvement - may be it is enough to make it just about viable if your RF designer works to standard IT specs (/joke)

Ah Robert - the days of de GKA qrj4 qry5 GKG up k (but your name suggest WCC or WSL not GKA ..) - 73's

My coats got the Handy Talky in the pocket

peter_dtm
Grenade

outside

outside the IT arena this is nothing new - I suspect there will be lots of 'prior art' - this time its a whole (different) industry saying - that's obvious !

peter_dtm
Grenade

what

I don't know - coming from a radio background I just assumed WiFi was full duplex capable; I must admit to being totally amazed to find out that the IT industry does steam radio ! And I thought the IT industry was at the bleeding edge of technology - not 60 years behind

peter_dtm
Coat

um

you only get some 3dB loss - unless you use (highly directional) helical antennae - which you wouldn't want to do as you need omni directional antennae - even then the cross polarisation loss is (IIRC) only some 9dB.

The null point interference pattern is hyperbolic between any two antennae - and this property is the basis of how DECCA; LORAN and OMEGA radio navigation systems to work (all based on OBOE used by the Germans in WWII)

Stuxnet blitzed 5 Iranian factories over 10-month period

peter_dtm
Stop

no

not flame bait at al

Production servers should be secure - and with limited/no access to any WAN.

But the accountant won't spend the money.

So they should have people on plant who know what they're doing - no chance - too expensive; why get an process/control engineer for £50K tops when you can fudge it with a Production manager and some IT types and the shift leaders ?

Of course when the plant's down - different story - except they still won't spend money on the Process control/automation stuff - oh a fortune on SAP - mega fortune on sales; stupid money on all sorts of optional extras - but invest in the stuff that actually MAKES the money ? That's 'just' engineering; they don't/won't understand it and keep paying for it in all the wrong ways - and the stupidity of running process on windows is because COTS is cheap and MSCE's are good value - the fact they patch a production server and break it - time after time - escapes them.

Bespoke Operator station - 1970 - ish 40K - STILL RUNNING total cost of ownership - about 2K per annum. Something WIndows can't even dream of (either running for 40 years or being so damned cheap)

Boffins demand: Cull bogus A-Levels, hire brainier teachers

peter_dtm
Happy

40

how depressing to realise I did it 40 years ago

even then the arrogance of the humanities - we (science geeks) had to do general Studies - to 'teach' us arts & current affairs - did this mean the humanities & art types did 'general science' and learnt to change a fuse & understand how science works - HA !

still the same today - the liberal elite wallow in their ignorance & believe they must make sure we poor techy types 'understand' art and current affairs - its not even the blind leading the blind - most of them know less then most techy types ... (ok I'm biased; but at least I know it ...)

peter_dtm
Happy

so

back in the 70's we were told - very proudly - that they (assorted Unis offering Engineering) expected (aimed !) to wash out at least 1/3 rd of the students in the 1st year - and they would be concerned if they washed out 2/3rds - they'd just make the selection harder

However they did reckon that if you got through the 1st year you should be able to finish the course - 'course you may only get a 3/3

peter_dtm
FAIL

I think

I think you'll find that learning how to calculate impedance from 1st principles - or understanding electron flow through a PN junction wasn't ONLY about learning the 'hows of impedance or electron flow;' it was aimed at teaching you how to learn; how to get back to 1st principles; how to understand a problem; how to progress in the right direction (towards the solution); how to work with discipline and stricture; how to be able to do the same analysis and get the right answer - even though all the parameters 'appear' to be different. And may be most importantly; you should have learnt not to clutter your brain with useless facts - that's what the internet/reference book is for.

You're whining like some wannabe artist demanding they don't need to learn how to paint; as that's all so old fashioned.

If you don't understand the basics; if you don't know how to learn' if you don't know how to apply that knowledge - well you are worse than a banker.

peter_dtm
Stop

that's

that's not is being said

what is happening is the opposite of what you suggest is being advocated.

What actually seems to be happening is that because Science & maths have absolute answers (in exam & project terms) and because Primary schools seem unable to teach science & maths; most students - especially those who are interested in science and maths - are put off - they don't SEE the science teachers; the schools seem to try and marginalise science/maths as anyone not good will fail - ergo (keep those boxes ticked - get the number of passes up) pupils are indirectly dis-couraged from taking science and maths. So less students take them - so there is less teaching staff to teach and less money to fund. And have you seen the impact of 'ealth n safty numpties - there are NO experiments worth doing any more. And what is covered in GCSE triple science is an absolute bloody joke - no science challenge; no science content (but oh so plenty of political crap).

The liberal establishment hates science (they believe any technology is magic as they are largely too idle to try and understand it) as it hates engineers - despite being totally reliant on technology (or is that because...).

GCSE science and maths syllabus do NOT challenge any student with an iq higher than that of an egg.

There was a time when most countries would take 3 A levels as equivalent to 1st year in Uni; now they are seen as a pre-requisite to a year's remedial teaching.

It doesn't pay schools to encourage science or maths - so it is going to get worse and worse

Mexico demands apology for Top Gear outrage

peter_dtm
Coat

oh yes

go for it

just how many ambassadors can each of the TG presenters insult well enough to provke a complaint

TG producers - please - a series long competition .. please

better get my coat - don't think I got a job at TG ..

Beeb say sorry for Stephen Fry A-bomb quip

peter_dtm
Grenade

wtf

you're in IT with those views ?

get real - do some research

demonstrating the effectiveness - they weren't even 100% sure the damned things would go bang

I presume you do not use computers; do not use plastics; nylon; rayon; kevlar;

Free health care ? why the f do you think taxes are so sodding high; TANSTAAFL - some one pays for it - normally people who work for a living and have far better things do with their hard earned money

And I see no sign of social care coming out of Brussels - just a power grab of AXIS proportions

FAA to pilots: Expect 'unreliable or unavailable' GPS signals

peter_dtm
Pint

and

the radio/electronics officer/engineer/tech's is

I know exactly where I am - it's the world that seems to be lost

peter_dtm

nope

its all done in the satellites and the decoding algorithms.

no surface kit needed once the command signals have been sent to the constellation of satellites.

the exact details (afaik) are of course not available - but small areas of a few 10s of square miles can be bent; through to the whole system. Not only that but it can be made to randomly ' wobble '. Basically in time of war (or leading up to war) areas can be uniquely or 'globally' affected by some very large changes in what a civilian GPS will show. Military versions can be 'told' what is happening and so correct. I had the pleasure of sailing with the 00001 serial number Magnavox Satalite Navigator for commercial marine use - back when there were only 12 satelites in the bird cage - 6 hours to get a fix from cold.....

This is one of the reasons Shipping companies still trains people in the use of sextants

peter_dtm
Alert

nah

read the Ts & Cs - use at own risk

peter_dtm
Alert

frequently exercised

try before the assorted gulf wars and in Bosnia - anywhere the US military (or some very very favored allies) are in any form of war preparedness - even for training. It just doesn't happen very often in the continental USA. It used to be less noticed - though Notice to Mariners have carried these warnings since the 80's (obviously not for Bosnia). Mil Spec versions get automatic corrections

peter_dtm
Alert

except

Galileo will have exactly the same type of ability; only under Brussels control; some how I trust the Yanks; Ruskis and Chinese more than Brussels

peter_dtm
Grenade

yup

ted heath promised us that we would only be joining a CUSTOMS UNION

he lied about that - as he lied by omission about giving away the UK Fishing grounds

and

the 1689 Bill of Rights (our constitution - the one the yanks based theirs on) does not allow Parliament to give away sovereignty so the whole crock of excrement is illegal to boot

Who are the biggest electric car liars - the BBC, or Tesla Motors?

peter_dtm
Alert

and

if the price of petrol doesn't go up the bldy taxes on them will - just to pay the subsidies necessary to make the e-car affordable.

Batteries need to reach a power density of approximately three times less than petrol/diesel (as an electric car should use the energy about 3 times more efficiently) before they becoming a viable alternative. That day is many years off; even if battery technology could achieve a Moore's law rate of improvement (its sort of almost linear; in fits & starts). You may be tempted to think batteries are improving rapidly when you look at your laptops & mobile phones - wrong : most of the improvements here are in the electronics becoming lower power rather than the batteries becoming higher power

peter_dtm
Unhappy

hills - its those damned hills

Holland is flat - they think the brow of a bridge is a big hill. As such they are ideally suited to bicycles and good old fashioned human muscle power.

Try that in Wales; round the Pennines - or even in & out of the London Bowl.

Different approach because they had different approaches to the hills they had to conquer

peter_dtm
FAIL

oops

the 50Amp fuse in the mains box stops you dead in your tracks.

and that is what the existing mains infrastructure is designed to deliver to domestic houses - 50Amps. So don't try changing that there fuse - you would risk turning the house wiring into a poor imitation of electric fire elements - and after the fire brigade puts your house out; you'll find the insurance won't pay out either ......

Israel and US fingered for Stuxnet attack on Iran

peter_dtm
Grenade

sorry - unfortunately not (yet) true

I wish - however too many of the big automation houses are wedded to Mr Gates's wonderful product. Not enough people (managers and Finance directors) understand or care about the risks - most have not even heard of Stuxnet; so they see no reason to change their automation layer out for some horribly expensive bespoke alternative. The IT guys spent years telling them how much cheaper Windows machines were - despite TOTAL Cost of Ownership turning out to being considerably more over the 10 - 20 years most large Automation projects expect to run - they then expect to get another 10 - 20 years of service from the kit.

SO since there is NO perceived need to invest in proper computer equipment to control the factories; there is no money or will to do anything other than continue (mis-)using Windows.

Unfortunately.

peter_dtm
Grenade

well

lets think about this - apart from Israel - which Iran has promised to blow of the face of the earth who else would be uncomfortable (if not brown corduroy scared) with a theocratic regime having armageddon weapons ?

Well just about all their neighbours; starting with Iraq (no love lost there) the Kurds (even less); the Saudi's - oh pretty much anyone if the region.

And then we have the likes of Russia & China- who may not be actually too pleased to have a mentally suspect 13th Century Imam controlling nuclear weapons either.

So apart from the religious angle (the version of Islam practiced by Iran is radically opposed toother version practiced in the region - on a level that makes the old Protestant/Catholic rivalries look like friendly meetings) the local geo-politics would also indicate lots and lots of people apart from the US & Israel (or even with; co-oporation in these things tends to be on the my enemy's enemy is my best friend basis).

Note that almost any half way decent university would be able to back engineer the controller (already have copies in Asia being churned out by the normal culprits), And those things are not hard to program (though Siemens makes horrible machine code; and ladder logic is a bit worse than working in Fortran 78) so the control side is easy; as is a reasonably intelligent coder managing to hide the block (that is possibly documented in some high level training book - you'd be surprised at what can be done - or may be not...)

No; far too many different people with a very urgent interest; enough money and skills to hatch this with out the need for any of those Israeli & American types needing to be involved.

Mm - I wonder - US/Israel/Iraq/Saudi/Russian/Indian - that would work - US & Israel being optional extras (Indian ? - well they have enough nightmares with the Pakistani bomb; imagine what they think of MORE Islamic bombs ?)

peter_dtm
Pirate

because

the IT industry used to foam at the mouth when Industrial Control engineers used bespoke computers instead of the horrible M$ crap. - Just because so many of them did not understand that van Neuman machines do not need WIndows as an OS

Councils show true grit in the face of ... FOI requests

peter_dtm

no

when dealing with the government departments ( with the exception of the MoD and) then there should be NO commercial secrets.

It is OUR money that they hold in trust -- that trust is demonstrably broken

There is a logical fallacy in asserting that there will be commercial advantage gained due to the public knowledge of the pricing structure (or commercial damage)- it is that ALL pricing structures of tendering suppliers become public knowledge; so no damage to future dealings to either councils or suppliers. The ONLY reason for refusing to publish such information is to hide what happens - there are many reasons for wishing to do so; none of them actually apply to the spending of OUR money

School caretaker harassed after Islamists hack EDL

peter_dtm
Pirate

all

covered by our written constitution - the 1689 Bill of Rights

we don't need the EU humbug - just enforcement of the Bill of Rights

Enormous 1km ice-cube machine fashioned at South Pole

peter_dtm
Badgers

of course its plural

this point is the datum point

you may digress from here and collect all your data - as long as you reference my DATUM POINT.

Ofcom proposes UK phone numbers prefix re-org

peter_dtm
Happy

err

queuing systems should be forced to stop charging you

or even better made to credit your number at the same rate thsy would otherwise have charged you !

peter_dtm
Grenade

iirc

one of the original reasons for 'geographic numbers' was to prevent local callers getting put to the front of the queue - especially when doing a 'phone in'' back in the days of Strowager & System X exchanges.

Government departments & QUANGOs should be legally obliged to offer only 0800 numbers; perhaps even going so far as reserving the whole 0809 range for all such bodies; just to ensure you KNOW you're talking to Big Brother !

Then any 08x (x<>0) number should have to credit your account the moment they use a 2nd tier menu or put you on hold. Credit to be AT LEAST the per minute charge plus 10%. That would stop the scam currently run of putting you on hold instead of routing the call properly.

Airport face-scan gate unilaterally imprisons traveller

peter_dtm

un-necessary word

an AIRPORT is just a very expensive joke.

They are finally realising it doesn't matter which check in desk you use; they've only had common luggage handling for the last 30 odd years. You should just check in at the AIRPORT check-in.... don't need the airline bit 'til you're at the boarding gate...

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