* Posts by peter_dtm

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Beware the looming Google Chrome HTTPS certificate apocalypse!

peter_dtm

Re: Two way street

It is a mystery to me why Security people allow the normal corporate user to use google.com (.co.uk /.za etc). Meta data from what is being searched MUST give Google a massive clue as to what any specific (large) business is focusing on.

I am amazed that the otherwise sensibly paranoid security wonks let any un-anomanised search engine be used. I would have expected them to insist on using the likes of DuckDuckGo and to have blocked google and forbidden Chrome as being totally unacceptable risks to IP

It really is a glaring hole

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Apple's top-secret iBoot firmware source code spills onto GitHub for some insane reason

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FAIL

Re: My device - I'll jail break it if I want to ...

Um; no.

Apple’s AppStore - Apple’s rules.

Nothing to stop you (or anyone else) writing Apple Hardware based Apps and offering them for sale/giveaway. Just Apple won’t let you do it through their Apple AppStore

Of course you may have non disclosure issues if you write for the real Apple AppStore; so you may have to make a decision to either play in APPLE’s AppStore under their T&C - or play in some one else’s AppStore. You may have problems getting any ‘Footfall’ though & you may find no one wants to play in your AppStore - especially if you can not/will not warrant your apps as malicious code free

Your device - jail break it; run it over; feed it to a great white shark - whatever floats your boat. But don’t claim Apple stops you - or prevents you from downloading any old piece of dodgy code if you leave their rather safer walled garden. You just won’t be allowed to use APPLE utilities/web sites/AppStores to do so. But then that is the point you appear to be missing - Apple OWN the infrastructure; you can play - or not - if you want to. See what happens if you get any piece of equipment modified by no approved ‘fixers’ if you then complain to the OEM that it is bust

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Forget cyber crims, it's time to start worrying about GPS jammers – UK.gov report

peter_dtm

Re: Raynet

Di dah dit Dah di dit Dah dah Di dah dit

Or yes - but being pushed to DMR and other non resilient solutions

The USN have re-introduced morse. But that’s about it; every thing else is just getting more and more whiz-bang. But then if we are reduced to morse & basic crystal receivers; then it probably won’t matter....

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Re: Well timestamps at a µs level...

And the US Military reserve the right (and do) to reduce the accuracy of the GPS system; or even deform the signal - they exercise with this from time to time; and use it when their troops are ‘hot’ as they also have decode for the changes made; so your GPS will be 10s/100s of metres out; theirs will still be spot on (>>1 metre)

On time stamps we did of course used to have real time signals on BBC radio stations (better than mS accuracy anywhere in the world you could get a signal) plus Rugby Radio (MSF) which was one of 3 international standard frequency and Time Signal stations (WWV and WWVH being the other two). A bit of decent kit; a knowledge of propagation and uS accuracy was almost achievable.

MSF is of course deceased; some criminals shut it down as they didn’t understand it; or its use; ditto the BBC no longer bother to ensure the pips are correct. Ignorant bastards

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Mushroom

Re: Didn't we have such a system?

Gee was nicked from the Germans (OBOE) and developed by the DECCA Company.

DECCA was developed & deployed worldwide (oh apart from part of N America; but they used the Canadian chain anyway - because it wasn’t invented there).

Accuracy a couple of metres to a few 10s of metres IFF you truly understood the system. You RENTED DECCA boxes; never sold.

Then there was HiFix DECCA - accurate to better than 1 metre.

Then someone copied DECCA onto a lower base frequency system and thus we got LORAN - if you were lucky you could get Kilometre level accuracy.

Then the idiots who wouldn’t allow DECCA in their country; made an even lower base frequency version called OMEGA (pronounced OH ME GAA) which was so crap; that sat in Portsmouth Polly with all the relevant updates and correction tables (5 or 7 BIG thick manulals plus addendums) and the very latest over the air updates (changed HOURLY) we still managed to get one fix in Scarpa Flo; one fix somewhere near Paris; and one on the Dogger Bank. The OMEGA readings were taken on 3 consecutive minutes. yup; ideal conditions and it was still crap.

Or there was your trusty chronometer (rated against MSF/WWV/WWVH/BBC0 and a sextant with some spherical trig tables and a star/plant/moon or Sun.

eLoran; well it was better than LORAN but no sane navigator relied on it with in 50 nautical miles of the coast.

That reference triggered a few memories - Hyperbolic Radio Navigation Aids; DECCA was amazing; Loran not so much; and OMIGA was/is just ridiculous- basic radio propagation theory suggested it would never work; quite correctly.

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Julian Assange to UK court: Put an end to my unwarranted Ecuadorean couch-surf

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The Venezuelan socialists are already working hard to ensure there’s no more oil, they’l probably succeed long before it gets out of the embassy, so the oil is a moot point.

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User stepped on mouse, complained pedal wasn’t making PC go faster

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Re: Can I just leave this thought with you?

@ Andy A

But the modern incompetent web page slingers-together (who claim to be web page designers) have never bothered themselves to set up tabs in the page, so when you tab you go to some pseudo random field, NEVER the next logical field.

Of course, this is just one of the many indicators of their total inability to design anything, or their testers to comprehend any one else’s expectations

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Re: Reminds me of a story

@boltar

So, explain the utube video(s) showing a clueless youngster totally failing to use a rotary dial phone.

By your apparent judgemental standards, it just proves how thick youngsters are, totally incapable of using the most basic tech in existence

Wonder how you’d manage a Waldo for instance ?

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peter_dtm

Re: Reminds me of a story

@David Nash

actually you "tap'' of “Press” or “Long Press” or maybe “Force Touch” - another incorrect instruction to the user

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Biker nerfed by robo Chevy in San Francisco now lobs sueball at GM

peter_dtm

Re: I think the cyclist is at fault#2

If Bikers would only think - IF you can not see the drivers eyes in his mirror then he probably can not see you - get out of his blind spot

And if he is a dick & hasn’t adjusted his mirrors so you can’t find that sweet spot; then you know he never uses his mirror anyway - so now you know & can take suitable avoiding action.

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WTF?

Re: I think the cyclist is at fault.

Especially when you watch cars ahead manoeuvring to ‘close the gate’ - sometimes quite late & aggressively; so that the poor sod on the bike suddenly as nowhere to go..

On the other hand; why are there no ‘Bikers THINK Car’ (maybe the ‘Car’ is an overstatement). Don’t bloody well hide in my blind spot(s) - or tail gate me; etc etc - I suspect that the car drivers who ‘close the gate’ are just pee’d off with some of the more stupid bikers

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Re: @kain preacher

In South Africa; if you didn’t move out of the way; you used to get done for ‘Depriving the State of Income’ and get hit for at least DOUBLE the speeding fine they thought they would have got if you hadn’t slowed the other car up !

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Everything running smoothly at the plant? *Whips out mobile phone* Wait. Nooo...

peter_dtm

Re: Industrial automation tends to be conservative --

Ah yes

DCS - life expectancy 15 to 20 YEARS

Yes; that is YEARS - not days or months.

Which is why there are plants still running on NT4

If IT can not provide sufficient stability to allow factories to have proper investment in decent kit you will get what we have now.

It should be trivial to maintain support for older kit; even mechanics can manage this with pre microprocessor controlled unrepairable cars; and most civil servants seem to survive doing things the same way as their great grandfathers did (badly; inefficiently; and with as much disruption to the tax payer as possible :-) )

So when you are spending a couple of million quid to build your infrastructure (factory) then if you don’t want the social justice idiots whinging about ‘excess’ profits; then you need to be able to write that investment off over a decently long period.

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Mushroom

Re: Industrial automation tends to be conservative --

And this is not helped by the IT wallahs pontificating from absolute ignorance about what Industrial Automation and Process Control systems actually do; and the constraints under which they operate.

It would have been so nice if the IT crowd did not run a mile every time Automation and Process people ask for help; or the odd ones who do respond seem to think they are playing with some trivial office network not a Critical Control Network.

Example - the insistence that it is more important to safeguard the office network than the Critical Control Network just for starters. Most factories/refineries/power stations/warehouses/ports etc can actually survive loss of office computer function and inter connectivity for several hours if not days or weeks. NO factory can afford to sit idle because the Critical Control Network is compromised and not working. If the factory is idle then there is no need for the IT department or any of their fancy toys.

Yet that is what I see in company after company; site after site.

This is the reality - no control system : no anything else; and yet we are lucky to get cast off rubbish with snide comments and pointless lectures.

Here is another reality - most Process Control and Automation engineers never wanted to be Network Engineers; hate having to be Windows Engineers and are fed up with the refusal by the IT crowd to try and understand what the issues are. So what do the IT crowd do ? Refuse to understand even the basics; treat the engineers like shit because they know little about IT especially what should be an obscure discipline called Network Security - whose proponents can not even manage to keep wannacry out of the world. Whose sheer inability to communicate with the real world means the IoT is a nasty horrible security nightmare. Who still haven’t done jack about securing household ADSL boxes SAFE OUT OF THE BOX. And of course know even less about Control systems than Process and Automation engineers know about general IT theory and practice.

So before the lot of you start moaning about the state of SCADA and DCS systems (and how many of you even know the difference; never mind what they do) I would suggest you look to your own house and start asking the Process and Automation engineers how you can HELP instead of running away whilst making snide comments.

As usual; the comments in this thread just reveal the IT sector’s total ignorance of what should be allied disciplines (yes Mr IT person; Process Control and Automation are two differnet things). </rant>

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Report: Women make up just 17% of IT workforce, paid 15% less than men

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SUMS UP MOST OF THIS BS

www.gocomics.com/peanuts/2017/12/03

IF YOU DON’T APPLY....

You don’t get the job

You can’t apply I if you don’t do the training......

You don’t get to do the training if you don’t do the work

Schools continue to drive kids away from the ‘hard’ subjects (only hard because they have absolute answers and do not rely upon teachers’ feelings to make a guess the right answer). Girls seem to be more likely to NOT do STEMS. This seems to be incalculated at primary school; where the vast majority of teachers are women

But there I go again;using white male logic; something that is inherently nasty and anti-women; deigned to deliberately disadvantage non males. Some strange concept of cause and effect. How noisome and sexist of me to bring such chauvinistic reasoning to the discussion

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10 years of the Kindle and the curious incident of a dog in the day-time

peter_dtm

Tried e-readers when they cam e out and was not impressed - complete Luddite mode from the Publishing mafia; no attempt to use technology to improve the product and slashing the price while improving margins massively !

Once I found Baen.com for sci-fi needs and BookBub for an endless supply (frequently resulting in purchase of other books by the same author; see also Baen.com regarding his free library) I then used MegaReader on my ithings- but have recently gone completely native & imported ALL my Baen.com purchases to iBooks.

Night reading - black paper; white text auto dimmed; so can read peacefully all night if the mood (or sleeplessness) takes me; & swmbo doesn’t moan & groan about the light being on.

No more hunting for books around the house bookcases/piles/loft (only to realize it’s at my sister’s place)

No more forgetting to pack current book(s) when off on a job/jolly

No more hunting for where I got to (don’t you DARE dog ear ny books) - because the bookmark dropped out/dust cover slipped (frequent occurrence in hotels).

Baen.com publishes in all formats; and you can download as many times in as many formats as you want. Any publisher/retailer not offering that service is only licensing you the ability to read and the book can never be yours.... Hmmm; don’t know about iBook & if you can export an iBook book.... I suspect Calibre will have the answer for that; but haven’t used it since i gave up on bespoke ebook readers.

Being really shortsighted; the iPhone is an incredible reader ! Don’t need my glasses/contact lens late at night..... and the iPad is great for when I have got my ‘eyes’ in/on (and iBooks synch as you would expect; I assume all ebook readers do nowadays ?)

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peter_dtm

Re: Glad I am not the only one

Like we used to do in London in the 70s ? It took a while to learn not to do that in Manchester (may have been something to do with the endless chucking down of rain affecting brain cells and visibility)

I really hate those who engage brain only after the lights have changed; then their brain has to engage a forward gear; release handbrake; count to 10 in ancient Babylonian before finally moving off at 0.1 inch per sec squared.

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Vodafone, EE and Three overcharging customers after contracts expire

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Black Helicopters

Re: % APR?

I don’t understand why this is not fraud.

They entered into a time limited agreement with you. And failed to stop it; knowingly.

Shirley that is fraud ?

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Neglected Pure Connect speaker app silenced in iOS 11's war on 32-bit

peter_dtm

Re: Twats.

Pure are the Rayners of the audio world ?

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I love disruptive computer jargon. It's so very William Burroughs

peter_dtm

North North Americans surely

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Google and its terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week in full

peter_dtm

Re: Now you see

He also failed to read the IMTERNAL memo as well; as if he had done he would have noticed the table about right wing behaviour as well. Unbalanced reporting by the reg does not help anyone. The man went out of his way to balance the memo sp as to be politically neutral and referenced Avery single paper he used to determine his stance. Not liking the conclusion of a peer reviewed paper does not make it extreme or stupid - ask any climate scientist

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UK to block Kodi pirates in real-time: Saturday kick-off

peter_dtm

Re: I discern a few more things from this.

Round the start of paid subscription TV in South Africa MNet sold sports packages - Soccer, Rugby, Cricket - that is you paid to watch a sport not a naff channel pumping feetsball (thanks !) or cretinball regardless of the fact that I ONLY want cricket and rugby (and sailing but who the hell shows that). MNet did rather well with that outrageous concept !

I refuse to pay for cretinactorball - it is over priced cheating and you'd have to go to Hollywood to see worse acting.

I want a box that allows me to pay for services from companies NETT of their sponsorship tax fiddles. Why the hell does my car insurance premium; or bank charges; or broadband costs provide money to crap I have no interest in ?

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Thought your data was safe outside America after the Microsoft ruling? Think again

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@Mephistro

don't forget the converse

US also considers its citizens to be under USA jurisdiction regardless where they are in the world; and based on apparently being a US citizen because one of your parents were; even if you never took up the right to claim US nationality - at least theat is waht the US taxman appears to be able to enforce

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God save the Queen... from Donald Trump. So say 1 million Britons

peter_dtm
Alert

Re: Still climbing

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844

one of these has a smoother distribution than the other.

One is for the visit ; the other is against

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peter_dtm

@ Dr Mouse

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It was calling for all Muslim countries to change, while ignoring the vast swathes of America where being openly gay will get you "cast out" of the community and potentially attacked. A great many fundamental religious types think being gay is a sin, and sins should be illegal.

/quote

Seriously ? you are comparing a community breach of the federal law/state law with the ACTUAL Sharia Law in those states ? It is not an offence of any sort to throw a gay off a building; stone a woman to death; kill all converts from Islam - it is the LAW that these things be done.

In one instance a community chooses to not observe the law of the land and express its dislike of behaviour it disagrees with by non lethal (yes yes there is the odd nutcase - but it is still against the law) methods

In the other instance the community is obeying the law by killing people - and those who object frequently die as well. No nutcases required.

The Koran is very clear on the following

Law comes from the Koran

Government comes from the Koran (and democracy is not an acceptable form of government)

The punishment for apostasy

The punishment for homosexuality (not just the practice of homosexual sex either)

The punishment for women guilty of adultery (which can include being raped being seen as an act of adultery)

I suspect you need to revisit the relative differences in these cultures; they are non-trivial.

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peter_dtm

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/

counter petition here

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/

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peter_dtm
Pirate

@ac

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I really don't see what this has to do with Trump -who is basically torturing innocent travellers based on their birthplace and/or religion.

/quote

TORTURING - you must be out of your mind - their entry to the USA is DELAYED by up to 60 days while the US Immigration system is reviewed. That is torture - my god you must be the most pathetic snowflake out there if you think that is torture (a dictionary (book full of the meanings of words) may come in handy; there are plenty on line too)

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Pirate

@adair

but it was predicated on a non elected 2nd chamber to bring some thing a bit more - um make that considerably less unpleasant than the vote catching swamp that is democracy in action

(though that is the least worst option compared to everything else - especially perhaps those having elected heads of state)

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Pirate

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

yup

sure does

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

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Doomsday Clock moves to 150 seconds before midnight. Thanks, Trump

peter_dtm

and all the people in fear of Trump can go to Venezuela ?

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@ P.Lee

that's the way the EU does business (see for instance the Ukraine; reaction to any Referendum that goes against them; Brexit)

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peter_dtm
Flame

Re: Move along, no science here

and not forgetting 6

the EU fomented a minority faction to protest against the democratically (for some value of one man one vote approaching UK standards) elected government; because the democraticaly (by a majority) elected government did not want to play footsie with the EU and piss of the Russian bear. Well the EU succeeded in destabilising the country; driving out the democratically elected president in the process; and replacing him with an pro EU anti Russian clique. The rest is history and was predicted about 2 years before it all happened.

Having woken the Russian bear; if the EU had attempted to uphold its guarantees regarding an independent Ukraine; well; then the clock would be at 10 PAST frigging midnight. Thank you our lords & masters in Brussels for cocking up big time you selfish unelected tits (can't be arsed to do a proper rant about those unspeakable things in Brussels). When the hell are we doing article 50 ?

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Mushroom

Re: @Version 1.0

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At that time Iraq was a relatively socially moderate Arabic state

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lets remember here what a social moderate Arabic state seems to mean

Genocide (Marsh Arabs amongst others)

Chemical Warfare (Iran/Iraq wars)

Bathism (currently being practised by Asad in Syria in all its 'civilised' glory)

Secret Police

State sponsored murder and torture

If you think that's moderate what what on earth would you find immoderate ?

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TV anchor says live on-air 'Alexa, order me a dollhouse' – guess what happens next

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Mushroom

stupid postcodes

that is because of the stupidity of insisting on using postcodes for all location - it's not like the legal location system is illegal or something - National Grid Referances (NGR) are vastly superior; easy to use; and as acurate as you need. Postcode locations always assume that adjoing postcodes are actually mutually acccesable not across a river; the wrong side of the mountain or even in one of the other home nations.

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Team Trump snubs Big Internet oligarchs

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Stop

Re: Let's go to www.blackstone.com

as against voting for Christmas AND supplying their very own non-humane killer ?

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WTF?

Re: A strategy or gathering a comfort zone?

umm - Jack Walsh - wasn't he that supposed idiot who used to hire engineers in the down turn; train them & then made a bundle of money renting them back to the companies that short sightedly fired them because of the down turn ? The guy who actually demonstrated that planning ahead (more than the 5 minutes the average bean counter/CEO seems to be able to manage) works out very nicely; just ride through the down turn and make hay when it (always) ends ?

Isn't that EXACTLY the type of person you should have advising any Politician ? Some one who would seem to understand that the business CYCLE is actually - er - cyclic ? And has demonstrated that he has an attention span of YEARS not seconds ?

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Guessing valid credit card numbers in six seconds? Priceless

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Meh

Re: What we need ...

... is an entirely different system of payment for online transactions.

Isn't that what ApplePay does ? As I undersatnd the system

Merchant asks Apple if the Apple pseudo random id presented is valid and good for the dosh

Apple checks card (assume answer is yes)

Apple says Yes & issues a transaction number to merchant to invoice Apple with in due course

Apple sends debit request for amount of dosh with Apple transaction code to Card company; from whom Apple then gets the dosh (in due course).

Merchant does not get to see any detail of purchaser - and especially not any card details; nor email address; nor street address etc etc ; nor amazon browsing history

Card Company does not get to see any detail of merchant.

Each transaction from the same purchaser gets a different pseudo random transaction code

Card holder gets their goodies & only Apple knows the whole transaction chain. Do you trust Apple more or less than ?website?/amazon/ebay etc ?

I assume AndroidPay will/does work much the same. Do you trust Amazon ?

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Hell desk thought PC fire report was a first-day-on-the-job prank

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Re: @I ain't Spartacus

Sensible chap

my training in the merch(ant navy) was to recognise extinguisher type with out needing to look (you automatically registered what was in the space you were in). I HATE red (water) fire extinguishers. the EU directive is beyond stupid.

Though I did know an RAF type who used to demo how to put out avgas fires with standard 2 gallon water extinguishers.....(they re-ignite after about 20 seconds - gives you *just* enough time to get the hell out...)

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Mushroom

Re: Tossing water at electric fire @I ain't Spartacus

stupid EU directive

can we go back to proper colour coded fire extinguishers now ?

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@herman

cling wrap (cling film) is meant to go under the seat and over the toilet bowl.....

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Google has unleashed Factivism to smite the untruthy

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Mushroom

Re: Facts are irrelevant in this campaign

If you don't get this - you are part of the problem

If you do - then remember vote early - voting often is reserved for those who are part of the problem

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BT will HATE us for this one weird 5G trick

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Meh

Re: Surely ...

except

there are now more accidents at home than in the work place. So you won't see as many car smash victims; but you will see a lot more domestic accidents. There may be mental health risks as well caused by the apparent isolation if you always work from home- apparently it turns out we haven't adapted yet to phone/video as a substitute for face to face in the body interactions.

Swings & roundabouts on this

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She cannae take it, Captain Kirk! USS Zumwalt breaks down

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Pirate

Re: Nomenclature... @bombastic bob

ship - 3 masted sailing vessel

Steam Ship (ss Great Britain; ss British Patience) Steam ship - vessel using steam propulsion (so maybe nuclear as well ? )

RMS (eg the 'Queens' ) Royal Mail Ship

Motor Vessel - uses infernal combustion (diesel for instance)

Motor Tanker - Tank(er) vessel using motor...

other nationalities use different nomenclature to the Brits - like the Russians using 'he' instead of 'she' when talking about ships (and the PC use of 'it' [shudder] )

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Ad-blockers are a Mafia-style 'protection racket' – UK's Minister of Fun

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@Graham Dawson

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TVL's own page clarifies it quite nicely.

/quote

TVL are not the courts (nor are they Parliament) and have no legal standing to make this statement - OfCom told them off about this years ago; but they persist in miss-representing the situation.

The law is specific - if some apparatus is capable of receiving broadcast tv signals then you require a TV licence. However TVL and their attack dogs Capita MAY DECIDE NOT TO TAKE ACTION.

The licensing laws remain on the books AND ARE STILL ENFORCEABLE.

TVL should say something like this :

If you own or possess a television set without installing or using it as a TV receiver (e.g. you only use it to watch videos or DVDs, or as a monitor for a games console) then ....... WE WILL TAKE NO ACTION if you do not have a tv licence

sorry.

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@Grahma Dawson

The TV licence is a licence to posses apparatus capable of receiving broadcast tv signals.

The USE of such apparatus creates the ACT of live broadcast reception.

In order to record a (TV) broadcast receiving apparatus has to receive broadcast TV signals. The mere hapanstance of being recorded instead of playing to an empty room or being watched is totally irrelevant; the information you recorded was RECIEVED from a BROADCAST tv signal using receiving apparatus. Said apparatus requires a licence.

If you take an off air capable video recorder (or satellite box) - you need a licence unless you cripple the off air receiving section; in which case no one cares & you can play your betamax; vhs or hitatchi system videos or mpg3/mpg4/html5 streams all day long.

Because I hold various radio licences & various certificates of competency; I MAY get away with shorting the aerial input on a video recorder/satellite box and not need a licence for any (TV) receiving apparatus in my possession; but I would need a damned good reason (fixing it for a mate may pass muster).

Tell Capita to go away - and as advised elsewhere tell them they have no right of entry to your property and to stop harassing you. As long as you have no apparatus capable of receiving broadcast TV signals you are legal - as long as you don't stream off the interwebs in real time either

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Re: @Cynic_999

Nope

a piece of wire is not an apparatus. Nor is your brain - although there is evidence that indicates it may interact with certain frequencies of radio waves.

Apparatus - (in this case) equipment designed and/or built to recover information from radio waves.

So take your bit of wire; wind some of it into a coil with a capacitor in parallel; connect that to a 'crystal' (diode)and connect that to a pair of high impedance high sensitive earphone - you have just built a crystal set - apparatus for the reception of radio waves. It all needs to be put together to make it 'apparatus'. They don't get all pedantic over what words they use for nothing.

You may by now wonder what the difference between a household & a house is (or even premises ) - a household has been found by the courts to include a rented room in a house where the person renting did not live with the rest of the people in the house as a common community - and was thus illegally in possession of a television set contrary to the licensing laws.....

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Re: @Martin-73

yes

the whoie computer based thing is a massive thorn in their side.

The dividing line is HOW you get the 'last mile' of tv viewing into your household. If it involves radio broadcast; or point to point radio link (does NOT include networking technologies.... at the moment (cynic) ) then it all falls under the Receiving apparatus clauses. If it comes in over the interwebs then you are in the live streaming clauses - live stream - need licence; delayed streaming - licence free.

Yes capita is evil.

Yes the RA will rouse out plod and confiscate illegal radio apparatus if you make a nuisance of yourself; and take you to court; fine you & bang you up if you are really naughty.

Capita does not have any search & seizure rights; under certain circumstances the RA does (being the duly authorized body all the licences go on about)

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Coat

Re: @ peter_dtm

it is all governed by various treaties actually. The government currently hold you Radio Receiving Apparatus licence for you (with no charge).

All 'radio' apparatus is required to be licensed. OfCom/the Radio Agency used to have a sample copy of the tv licence lying around somewhere on their web site. You may also note that I pedantically use the term apparatus as the definition is in the capability of the equipment. Note that radio apparatus for receiving Broadcast Television signals has an added section regarding the use of computer equipment to receive real time streaming of broadcast material that is in addition to and different from the (original) clauses referring to the use of apparatus for receiving television broadcast signals. Needless to say I can not put my hands on the latest iteration of the TV licence; but I did throw out an old 70s era licence a few months ago....

Your present of a COMPONENT of receiving apparatus (the sim card/TV card you refer to) does not require a licence because it is not Apparatus for the receiving of broadcast television signals; it is also NOT apparatus used for streaming video. It is merely an decrypt key that is not specific to radio apparatus at all

Even so called licence free PMR radios (or radio equipment of very low power) are technically exempt from requiring the issuing of a licence (note again not exempt from a licence...).

All radio equipment (radios; TVs; PMR walkie talkies; mobile telephones; wireless routers etc) are made to (international) standards and work in either specific bands or on spot frequencies. Where exempt from licensing you can go buy & use to your hearts content. Use some of the non licence exempt frequencies (the vast majority of the radio spectrum) and you need a licence to HAVE the equipment in your possession. People who are allowed to 'play' with radio equipment always have to have a licence OR are legally limited in what they are allowed to do. So I am licensed to operate; repair and experiment with radio apparatus for the Amateur Radio Bands (see relevant Radio treaties and regulations eg BR68 which is the Amateur Radio Licence issued by the Radio Agency). Someone doing business repairing PMR radios either has their own licence to work on certified equipment - or works under (cough cough) supervision of a duly licensed person.

I guess I didn't end up pointing you to a copy of your TV licence - but troll through the assorted different types of licence on the Radio Agency/OfCom web sites & you will soon get the feeling about how it all works. That is; if you can stand the turgid, pedantic and recondite language used.

As an illustration; the Radio Agency does not normally prosecute people who end up with Amateur Radio apparatus because their licensed partner/parent/guardian/child died - but they don't expect them to hang on to the kit (or use it !) indefinitely either.

In summary :

By international treaty (IIRC started with the Convention of London around 1911) ALL radio apparatus must be licensed.

Some apparatus using defined frequency bands may be made licence exempt

Some governments (UK US etc) hold licences on your behalf (eg broadcast radio receivers which are still licensed as they do not operate in an exempt band)

BR68 is an example of a radio licence - other examples are available on either OfCom or Radio Agency web sites

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peter_dtm

@ A Ghost

NO

you need a fishing licence to go fishing. You do not need to have a fishing licence to have apparatus for fishing in your possession - but I wouldn't give you much chance in the courts if you took your fishing apparatus for a walk near a canal/river/lake

You do however need a licence for Television Receiving Apparatus if your household has a piece of equipment capable of receiving broadcast television signals OR if you use apparatus to view live broadcast content in real time. (just look closely at that OR statement; watching on PCs is NOT the same as watching a goggle box)

You need to Tax your car whether you use it or not (unless you have a SORN notice) - there is NO equivalent of SORN for TV receiving apparatus. You have it in your household you are supposed to licence it.

Why do so many people get this wrong every few months

A TV licence is a licence to have in your possession apparatus capable of receiving broadcast TV signals.

No; it does not have to be turned on. It does not need an aerial attached. The fuse in the plug can be removed. It just has to be capable of being energised.

However; you MAY NOT need a TV licence if you have an Amateur Radio licence and you can demonstrate you do not use your TV receiver to receive broadcast signals; and have it purely for experimental reasons for the furtherance of your technical investigations. And; of course; you can demonstrate the same for any other TV set in your household. For the man in the street that is about the only legal way of not needing a licence when there is a TV set in the household (OK so most 'Man in the Street' types do not have Amateur Radio Licences).

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peter_dtm

@Cynic_999

NO and NO again

It is the APPARATUS that is licensed. Whether it is plugged in; has an aerial attached does not matter. It does not matter whether you 'operate' it or not. (now go and think about Vehicle Excise duty; I am sure you wouldn't try to make the same claim?)

They only have to prove you have on your premises (actually worse than that in your household) an apparatus for receiving TV signals (and note the apparatus does not have to be able to decode said TV signals).

What they do not have is ANY right of entry or inspection. To get access to your household requires a warrant.

The requirement to have a license to watch live streaming over the internet (or any other method of distribution) has been ADDED to the Television license; as your PC is not (in terms of the Radio Regulations) receiving apparatus.

OfCom used to have a copy of the Television Receiving Apparatus licence on their website

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