* Posts by John Lilburne

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Happy birthday: Jimbo Wales' sweet 16 Wikipedia fails

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Re: Citation needed

"not in the next print, no, the very next time Joe Public accesses the article."

You aren't up-to-date at all. Britannica no longer has a print version.

However, you are assuming that Britannica has an equal number of egregious errors to wikipedia in the main subject areas. It does not.

Jagged85 should be the antidote to any assumption that wikipedia has any concern over errors. Jagged85 made 10s of thousands of edits to more than 8,000 articles. Many of the edits were entirely made up. He even invented an entire school of philosophy. The wholesomeness of his edits were questioned a number of times but his prolific number of edits gathered supporters and defenders. He edit articles in Mathematics, Medicine, History, Literature, and Philosophy and by 2010 it was understood that many of his 64,000 contributions were bogus. So bogus in fact that many people said that the articles he had worked on ought to be taken back to stub status. However, wikipedia just couldn't bring itself to stub such articles as Number Theory and many other core articles. So they made a list of all his edits and asked people to check through them, and so people did for a couple of weeks until they got bored. 10000s of edits remain unchecked to this day. So what happened to Jagged85? He was allowed to carry on editing for a few more years until he was found to have been falsifying articles on Video Games at that point he was banned.

Back to up-to-date-ness wikipedia is not uptodate and can never be. It must always lag behind the likes of Britannica. The reason being is that wikipedia cannot react to new data until after it has been published in scholarly journals, that takes time. Whereas a subject expert in some field of Quantum mechanics can update the Britannica article with the latest research as soon as it is accepted by practioners in the field.

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Re: Citation needed

Wikipedia is not a peer reviewed journal it is a collection of amateur blog posts with a list of inaccessible sources. Also just because something has a source doesn't mean that the source is accurate or the most appropriate, you need some subject knowledge for that, not the first thing that you get from a Google search.

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Re: Citation needed

Also a number of the 'science articles' compared were Britannica articleds from the 1911 version that the wikicomedians had cut&pasted into wikipedia. So basically Nature compared the 1911 version of a Britannica article against the current version of Britannica, and found that after it had gone through the wikicomedians hands it was less readable and less accurate.

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Trollface

We did that to troll the David Ike forums. Nowadays we do it to troll a far wider audience.

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Re: Citation needed

Twaddle. This is the constant excuse made by wikipedia for the total bollocks that it contains. Its no one's responsibility to constantly watch wikipedia to make sure that they aren't being lied about, nor should that spend days arguing with a "mentally deranged anon on the internet" to get it corrected.

The problem is that most of the refererences are dead. Its rare to find an article where the refs don't 404 and when the do pound to a penny they don't support the wiki statement (see Jagged85 as one of many examples of bullshit).

Besides what use is the thing if you need to check each factoid against the reference? You might as well have gone and read the referenced material in the first place.

You can't rely on their feature articles being any better "Richard II king of England in 1345" was in one FA for three years. The FA and GA reviewers don't think it is their job to check the accuracy of anything they are reviewing, besides they aren't subject experts. They simply check style, whether there is a picture and whether there is obvious copyright violations. So you get a system where technical text gets mangled to avoid copyright issues and ends up stating something different from the original. No one picks this up. "X has a yellow or red stripe" becomes "X has a stripe which is orangey".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7yb-JncKow

The copy editors don't think that fact checking is necessary either. Just think about that for moment ... you are rearranging sentence construction and have no regard as to whether at the end of the process your rearrangement accurately reflects the original.

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Tech moguls dominate Oxfam's rich people Hateful 8

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That isn't how it works at all, the richest have thousands of ways by which they avoid paying any tax at all. It doesn't matter how little they pay, they will also find ways to pay less. So to be more accurate the 10th man will pay less than the sixth man.

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One beef about the report

"generous intellectual property rights enable those who develop technology to accumulate vast wealth that can be wildly disproportionate to the investment they have made".

It has been the weakening of IP rights that has allowed the like of Google and Facebook to acquire billions at the expense of ordinary creators. These systems are purely parasites on creatives.

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New Windows 10 privacy controls: Just a little snooping – or the max

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Re: Or... no snooping at all

Meh! I just had a look and there were about a dozen web searchs recorded in the last year. Nothing else under browsing, location, or cortana.

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Routes taken by UK prosecutors over supply of modified TV set-top boxes

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Re: City of London Police = Rent-a-cop

Copyright infringement is a form of larceny. The copyright skeptic Justice Breyer said in the SCOTUS Grokster appeal "deliberate unlawful copying is no less an unlawful taking of property than garden-variety theft."

We chose to handle this form of dishonesty under the copyright acts rather than the theft acts for reasons of policy.

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Re: City of London Police = Rent-a-cop

" Now why would the smallest force in the country want to do things differently from all the others?"

Because it isn't the City of London Police, it is Police Intellectual Property Crime Unit which happens to have its headquarters in the City of London but is actually a National Police Unit in much the same way as the Special Branch has its headquarters with the Met but who's remit is nationwide.

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Google gives up YOUR private data to US govt – but won't hand over its OWN staff personal info

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It was the IRS that ...

... finally did for Al Capone.

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Those online ads driving you bonkers are virtually 'worthless for brands'

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Re: Marketeers = Idiot

You cannot engage with people via internet ads. Web surfers have the attention span of a bee as they flit about the meadow they are solely interested in pollen and couldn't give a shit about any one flower. If brands want our attention then they have to provide content that we are interested in. Ads won't do it they simply get in the way of the content we are looking for.

If I'm looking to buy a X I put X into a search engine find a supplier and buy an X. Job done. Which particular X I buy will depend on what I find at that particular point in time. If I'm doing the weekly household shop I'll buy what I've previously bought that was good and shun that which turned out not to be good.

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The Register invited ...

... both Google and Facebook to respond to Hoffman's claims. Neither responded.

Well isn't that like asking Vito Corleone to comment on racketeering?

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How Google.org stole the Christmas Spirit

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Re: Just a google bash?

Just remember that 95% of all internet shennagians contain traces of Google.

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Meet the Internet of big, lethal Things

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Re: Do you own it, or not?

You do not have "full and unrestricted access" to modify your car. You cannot physically modify it so that it is a danger to others, and the police will impound any such vehicles they see. I don't think there is any fundamental difference to welding spinning knives to the wheels, and getting some script kiddy to modify the engine management system.

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IBM boss pledges to hire 25,000 Americans in next four years

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Re: "New collar jobs"?

She means slave collars.

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Dixons warns of looming Brexit storm cloud amid bumper results

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Re: "identifying areas of potential market share growth"

Oddly dixons/currys have been considered a bunch of "completely useless wankers" for almost 40 years. Yet here they still are. Now true you don't go in there and ask advice other than "Where are the ...?" however, they are still there where others have folded.

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OpenStreetView? You are no longer hostage to Google's car-driven vision

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Re: Privacy?

I see from the builders in the road I see that the little bastards went around my way about 3 months ago. Fortunately they still didn't manage to get into the close.

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Blue sky basic income thinking is b****cks

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Biology my friend ...

Amazon, Starbucks, Google, Uber and the rest don't exist unless there is a population with disposable income. What's the point of Google slinging ads to people that can't afford to buy the crap that is being advertized? What is the point of banging out millions of expensive trainers if people can't buy them?

Once a parasite becomes so successful that the host population crashes the parasite populations crash too.

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Governments 'one step behind' tech firms in tracking tax – Meg Hillier

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Shouldn't this be the poster child ...

... for guilty until proven innocent? We know that they aren't paying their fair whack, we know that thy are hiding their financial affairs, we know that they are playing one jurisdiction off against another. Once they put everything on the table well acquit them, before that jail the lot of them.

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Team Trump snubs Big Internet oligarchs

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One hears that ...

... a big Hollywood producer/investor is heading up the Treasury:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2016/11/politics/new-cabinet/#secretary_of_the_treasury

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Privacy is theft! Dave Eggers' big-screen takedown of Google and Facebook emerges

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Stop posting to this thread ...

... and upload your last night pub photos, kid in bath photos, and cat videos, or and whilst you are at it lets have some more likes, and pluses from you, your interaction rate is way way down.

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It’s Brexploitation! Microsoft punishes UK for Brexit with cloud price-gouging

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Hahaha!!!

They are simply adding in the expect crash in exchange rates in one go rather than having to come back for a second hike in March. The problem being that the doom and gloom is coming. There will be no single market access without freedom of movement and hefty payments into the EU social fund (approx 90% of what we are currently paying). As such the weirdo bellends in the Tory party will have screwed over our manufacturing base in the 1980s and our services sector in the 2020s.

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UK Home Secretary signs off on Lauri Love's extradition to US

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Wrong. He was fiddling with equipment and systems located in the US.

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they should not be at the level where a lone person like Love can penetrate their system to the extent that he supposedly did.

Only one of them needs to be lucky. The problem is that the Love's of this world have an endless amount of time to screw about. Once in a system like the FBI there is no telling what data they may extract, personal details of crime victims, or informants. The result is that a large amount of money and time is spent trying to keep the little bastards out. What if they were in your home system ferreting about, do you know for sure that you don't have any sensitive data on it. Young and immature hackers know for sure that they aren't supposed to be doing this, its why they call themselves hackers, and Love at 31 is certainly neither young nor immature.

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No it didn't occur in the UK, it occurred in the USA. He wasn't hacking computers in London, he was hacking computers in New York.

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User needed 40-minute lesson in turning it off and turning it on again

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Hmmm!

A few years, systems had setup a new windows workstation for me. It had been running 24/7 for about 10 months. Xmas came and I'd taken some extra days so someone shut it down on the 24th. On 2nd January I came in and it took me several minutes scroffling about under the desk to locate the damn power switch, if fact it was a colleague that pointed out that the button next to the DVD drive was the power button.

Then there was the time I was talking to some tech support about a bit of kit that need jumpers reconfigured. I'd taken the thing down stairs so that I could fiddle with it whilst on the phone. Eventually he says OK plug in now and see if it starts up. So I pulled the plug that was in the socket out and plug the bit of kit in. Naturally the plug I'd pulled out was powering the phone. Fortunately the thing powered up OK.

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And with one stroke, Trump killed the Era of Slacktivism

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Unfortunately Google already ...

... have a seat in Trumps transition team.

oshua Wright has been put in charge of transition efforts at the influential Federal Trade Commission after pulling off the rare revolving-door quadruple-play, moving from Google-supported academic work to government – as an FTC commissioner – back to the Google gravy train and now back to the government.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/google-gets-a-seat-on-the-trump-transition-team/

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Pythons Idle and Cleese pen anti-selfie screed

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Re: Blame the people not the technology

I was perplexed to watch them spend the first 10 minutes of the journey staring into their phones held at arm's length tilting their heads from side to side and puckering their lips to get a picture they liked.

They can do that for ages and ages apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1XwvCxVPTc

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McDonald's sues Italian city for $20m after being burger-blocked

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Re: I haven't been to Florence

I have and even in the tourist areas (we were based near the Medici Chapel) the price of food was OK, equivalent to what you'd pay in the UK. Something in the region of 15-18 euros would get some very nice indeed.

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Re: Its not just American tourists

"I read that France, home of snooty cooking traditions, is actually McDonald's best market per capita, even more so than America."

In Paris they tend to stick them in between brothels and sex cinemas which is rather appropriate - must remember to process that image.

OTOH in Egypt they tend to stick them so that you can see them through the columns of Karnak Temple, which isn't.

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There is an effing ...

... McDonald's less than 600m from Piazza del Duomo

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Celeb-backed music TV phallus Electric Jukebox finally ready for launch

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Well I'm one of those that won't have a smart phone

However, I'm not going to pay £52 a year for a streaming service when I have all the music I want on CDs and on the LAN. Simply none of these services contain much of the music I listen to, and I have a vast collection of stuff from years of buying CDs and Albums. Will it contain any ECM albums? If Eicher still holds out 6+ years already then no it won't.

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Julian Assange to be interviewed by Swedish rape prosecutors

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A match made in heaven

"Assange has: taken to ranting on Twitter at all hours of the day and night!"

Assange and Trump - Ah sooooo cute. Well after they give Trump his twitter account back that is.

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Twitterstorm erupts over suspected murder of record-breaking earthworm

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Re: I'm glad to watch, once again...

I recall a sequence of photos on some entomology forum thread. The first image was of a bee. The second post of the dissected wings, then came the genitalia. Caused a stir amongst the critter lovers on the forum. LOL.

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Hell Desk's 800 number was perfect for horrible heavy-breathing harassment calls

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Dunno about phone calls but ...

... our manager once put a link to a competitors website into an internal document. Some months later the competitor had abandoned the website, and clicking on the link resulted in hardcore porn.

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Exit through the Gift Shop? US copyright chief was assigned to shop till, tweeting

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Google is not essential ...

... I would suggest that people turn it off.

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Murder in the Library of Congress

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Re: And how does that affect you?

I seem to recall that 50 years passed before LoTR was turned into a film. And some 10-15 years after first publishing before it became something other than a cult book in the 1960s-1970s.

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Re: If giving power to Google is the price of removing it from Disney, I'm all for it!

That is the type of argument one would expect from a turnip, though turnips probably have more sense. Disney doesn't tack you every movement, it doesn't track your reading habits, it doesn't track your listening habits, it doesn't scan your emails, and yet you whine about a cartoon character. Numpty!

A book that that was published 20 years ago can be bought for pennies, and have you actually seen those Google transcribed books. The quality of many that I've seen has been atrocious.

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Let us not forget that ...

... pursuing a federal copyright claim is almost impossible for the individual. However, Pallante has also recommended that certain infringements could take place in the small claims court. IOW that the Grand Theft Copyright (Google) could be on the hook for millions of $1000 claims based on their penchant to purloin the work of others.

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Paid Wikipedia-fiddling on wheels

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Their editor numbers have plummetted.

Most of it is now done by turd polishing bots. Conversions of foreign language pages by AI with less intelligence than a log of wood. Scaping of gazette databases "Xstan is a village in Iran with 5 familes. The head man is very nice." Scraping from sports almanacs "Joesph Blight played football with Tesco under 21's in the 3rd division of the Truro league for two games in 1972"

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Today the web was broken by countless hacked devices – your 60-second summary

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Re: Maybe..

'Problem is proving that the USERS/Owners suffered at all.'

Apparently it took down GitHub, Twitter, Reddit, Netflix, AirBnb so the world actually got smarter.

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Kids today are so stupid they fall for security scams more often than greybeards

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Re: Scams?

No. But the belief that it is "falling for the biggest scam ever" is.

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Spinal Tap’s bass player sues former French sewer

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Re: Best comedy of all time?

Not if you are Donald Trump. If they are funny about you then they are part of a huge EVUL media conspiracy.

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Social media flame wars to be illegal, says top Crown prosecutor

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Re: John Smith

Isn't the issue creating an account on tindr or grindr along with someone's phone number. IOW the sort of shite that arseholes do.

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My Nest smoke alarm was great … right up to the point it went nuts

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Re: Why would anyone have thought IoT was a good thing?

Why? Its an example of the more superfluous electronics there are, there are more things there are that can go wrong. It isn't the traction control that has gone wrong, its the test system checking that it is working that has gone TITSUP. Similarly its not the smoke detector that has gone wrong its the tests that are checking that it is working correctly that has gone TITSUP.

I put an electronic timer on the immersion heater a couple of years ago, after three months it stopped switching, replaced it with a new one that went gaga too. So no hot water because the electronic switch has failed. Got a manual timer and its been working flawlessly for the last year (the previous mechanical one worked for over 20 years).

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Re: Headlights that steer around corners

"Those are not new."

Maybe ones that work are?

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Why would anyone have thought IoT was a good thing?

Just think of all the crap we have to put up with with the electronic gizmos in our cars. Electronic handbrake goes tits up £1000 to fix it, and your going nowhere buster until its fixed. Water slashed on a traction control sensor and suddenly the car has as much power as a milk float, sod it if its 0200 in the morning, your 100 miles from home, and you've got to get over the Newbury bypass.

The list goes on and on. We know these things screw up, we know that they do so at the most inconvenient time, and we know that fixing them is going to require the sacrifice of your first born.

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What's not to love about IoT – you can spy on customers as they arrive

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Re: "If those databases continue to be siloed, you will not generate the right outcome,”

Since some bean countered decided to try and make monet from it.

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‘Andromeda’ will be Google’s Windows NT

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Damn and blast

My cats is called Andromeda. Now every time it barfs it will remind me of Google.

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