@Alistair Dabbs Re"I hear that some men will pay for that sort of thing."
Am I allowed to describe that as a sick joke?
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Am I allowed to describe that as a sick joke?
"To summarise, the saying as we have it is a 19th century translation of an index entry, written by Joshua Barnes in 1694 in his edition of Euripedes. The entry summarised rather than translated the content of a couple of lines of Greek. The lines were originally by a scholiast on Sophocles, quoted in the 2nd century AD by Athenagoras, and supposed to be by Euripedes by early editors of that author. Barnes in turn was almost quoting James Duport in his 1660 work on the ideas to be found in Homer."
I fear I may not have made my point with Win 7 clearly enough. If you look at the timing of the PC market beginning to flatten out and then start on a downward curve something rather ironic regarding which Windows iteration actually contributed to the current state becomes clear. One of the two most popular and well regarded versions of Windows (XP being the other one of course) may very well have been one of the triggers for the processes that we have seen at work in that market.*
*I would wish to point out that in saying this I am not remotely being snide about Win 7 - I installed it on 4 different rigs and was always very pleased. An excellent OS. However, I do feel it is legitimate to point out that if one is going to assign some of the "blame" for the current weak state of the PC market to a particular version of Windows then one has to look at the timing of the beginnings of that weakness - they predate in fact both Win 8 and Win 10. This is of course entirely seperate from what you, I, or anyone else here on the threads at El Reg may think about 8 or 10 as operating systems.
Up to and including Windows Vista each successive iteration of Redmond's OS virtually mandated a new pc (or a significant hardware upgrade) in order for it to run with anything like decent performance. Microsoft's minimum recommended specs were always a bad joke given that a on a machine that had those specs the iteration concerned could just about get out of bed. It was always the case that you needed substantially higher specs in order to get reasonably acceptable performance. This changed with Win 7. For the first time if you had a box which had ok specs for Vista then Win 7 would run with an acceptable level of performance. If you then add to that the transformation of the private retail market in terms of the rise of mobile devices meaning that you have phones, tablets and PCs all competing for the punter's hard earned one has then a situation which IMO cannot be fully explained in terms of disatisfaction with this or that iteration of Windows. I would agree that Win 8 was very clearly not any kind of hit with private retail customers but that is not remotely an adequate explanation for where the pc market has been going in recent years. Indeed if we look at the tablet market we can see that it also began to stall about three or more years ago and the mobile phone market began to show the same signs a year or so ago. The Windows OS can scarcely have anything to do with those phenomena! I think that the processes at work hear are market saturation, maturation and three different device classes trying to attract the punter's spons in a context where people do far more on their phones than they ever did before thus making the PC a lower priority than it once was. If we add to that the fact that modern tablets and smart phones continue to have perfectly adequate performance for several years it becomes clear that the whole personal tech retail market is becoming a very difficult place in which to do business.
That is nothing new at all. The percentage of Windows OS sales to private retail customers intending to install it on an existing pc running the previous iteration has always been a vanishingly small percentage of Windows' turnover. The overwhelming proportion of sales of Windows licenses to the private sector has always been driven by the purchase of new PCs.
...........some of our fellow members of our little congregation here at El Reg are unwilling to admit.
"So Surface is an attempt to revive interest in the very idea of personal computing. It's had a hugely positive impact on the quality of the established PC players. Lenovo, Dell and HP have all gone back to the drawing board and returned with their best products for years."
Microsoft has in fact as far as hardware is concerned given the entire paradigm a genuine kick in the arse. The effect on the OEMs has been considerable. Just consider HPs Spectre x360 for the private retail market. The latest iteration has excellent battery life, terrific design and one of the best keyboards and touchpads available out there as well as a gorgeous screen. Andrew's point is well taken. Regardless of our concerns regarding the privacy issues with Win10 it is not possible to argue that MS under "SatNav" does not innovate. Better late than never we might say but "there is more joy in heaven over one sinner that repenteth" etc. etc.
Thank you TRT, lovely to hear Scotty's voice again. Highly entertaining. See icon.
It will of course be the old imperial Routemaster. You were surely not expecting that El Reg would go metric?
I agree entirely and I say burn the heretic!
""It was shocking, so shocking to me. And I pulled off the headset and I was in the middle of this party with people drinking beer and partying, and I've never felt so alone," she confessed. The intensity of the experience is such that the filmmakers considered whether there was an ethical consideration to ensure viewers didn't feel the disparity between the virtual world and the real world too strongly or too quickly."
Whilst I do not for one moment suggest that these film makers should not be experimenting with the possiblities that this new creative form of cinema may offer I am obliged to wonder how some emotionally/psychologically fragile people may or may not be able to cope with it. Something to be aware/beware of perhaps.
Then bury it at a crossroads with a head of garlic in its mouth and a stake through its heart - you cannot be too sure.
Indeed. Available on Linux, Windows and MacOS (or however one is supposed to italicise Cupertino's offering these days). Unless you are so deep into i-Tunes that you cannot get out there is no excuse for installing that shit regardless of your choice of OS.
I imagine that Donkey Molestor X is currently closeted with his paramour and is unable to reply.
Were you by any chance being a touch satirical old chap? See icon.
............there is no chance in hell that I am giving my phone access to my bank. Regardless of the protestations of the usual suspects that secure systems are in place. It is just yet another attack vector for the various toss-bags out there who want to part us from out hard-earned. I am not suggesting that our banking should revolve around storing banknotes under our mattresses but there are limits. At least for this example of the Canidae.
Your Galaxy S6 has a conventional micro USB 2 port the techonology of which reputable producers thoroughly understand and have considerable experience with in the area of rapid charging. I wrote "I also wonder (my added emphasis ed.) whether a lack of/limited experience with correct implementation of the USB type C standard..." I was scarcely being didactic old chap and my comment was specific to the context of USB type C.
I entirely agree with the points you have made. I also wonder whether a lack of/limited experience with correct implementation of the USB type C standard (currently true of all producers) may also have exacerbated the situation. The behaviour of that port has to be very precisely regulated or the device will end up in trouble - particularly when when we are of course by definitition talking about rapid charging which can under certain circumstances lead to battery damage (if incorrectly regulated) with, potentially, the kind of problems we have seen with the Note 7.
A very good point, exactly what I was about to post. How on earth does a twelve year old know his mum and dad's banking details?
In addition we also see that the smartphone market has been showing signs that it too is flattening out prior to serious slowdown (the first indications that mobes were affected as well as tablets and pcs started to appear about a year ago). Quite what is killing what I do not know other than it is quite obvious that refresh cycles for all these three types of shiny are getting longer and longer. I note that a certain section of our little congregation here at El Reg post regularly claiming that Win 10 is destroying the pc-market. I wonder what their explanation is for condition of the tablet and smartmobe markets? Given that the Demon Lords of Redmond have a low percentage market presense in both those areas. Something is definitely going on and whilst one can speculate about market saturation, commoditization and so on and so forth it is still somewhat of a puzzle.
It is a matter of scale. Whilst I do not disagree with your characterisation of Cupertino's store the sheer all-pervasiveness of the Android OS means that it in effect has a market dominant position as far as its percentage of the total smarphone market is concerned. That, IMO, is why the EU are prioritising going after Google.
The best description of SlapTwat that I have read to date.
I have noticed on a number of previous threads connected to articles where the Kardashians are mentioned that there appears to be a certain confusion between that family and the Cardassians from Deep Space 9. As a public service I offer the following clarification. A Cardassian would be deeply offended if you asked him to "walk with the Prophets" whilst a Kardashian would always be delighted if you asked them to "walk with the profits".
..............Paper. Always. Works."
I hear you brother. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, read the book. Bringing some chalk with you in case they have something so impossibly old fashioned as a blackboard is not to be despised either.*
*Not so unlikely as you might think in the university sector where I work.
He may very well think that he is a bit of a nob (as in a cut above the rest of us mere mortals) whilst we think that he is a bit of a knob.
"..............their market was based on fleecing the customer."
Entirely correct. I do not for one moment defend the privacy issues that curently bedevil Win 10 but when it comes to the "slurping" of personal data Google could give everyone, Redmond included, master classes.
I entirely agree that fines they can simply regard as a business cost are indeed useless. Perhaps the answer is to make the board of directors personally liable and make it a criminal offence to in any way compensate them for the fines they would have to pay.
I would agree that this world wide high speed echo-chamber we call the web with its proliferation of debate-fora is (ref your comment about FarceBook) having all sorts of unexpected socio-political effects (also some very antisocial effects i.e. the nastier type of trolling and flaming). However, I also think that retail goods go from being new and innovative to being commoditized in ever shorter periods of time with the result that manufacturers are in an increasingly desperate race to come up with the next new thing. The consequence is that the proportion of goods that are being designed as solutions in search of an application becomes ever greater (and ever more foolish!). I will of course not be buying a smart fridge regardless of which OS it is running on. :)
Is that a reference to the taxes that Apple hand over to the British tax authorities as a consequence of the PAYE system? If it is then it is Apple's employees who are paying their own tax, Apple is paying bugger all. In fact it is a serious comment on what BigCorp can get away with when their employees pay vastly more tax than a company as rich as Apple does.
I think that part of the problem (only a part) is public expectations. Quite apart from examples of incompetance amongst the producers these same producers know that the average punter will be very resistant to paying much more for a USB type C cable than they pay for your common-or-garden USB 2 cables. The fact that USB C cables have to be produced to a much higher standard and will in the nature of things cost more is not something the average member of the Great Techno-Ignorant Unwashed wants to hear.
"Why would that be, it is supported until 2019?"
Possibly because we have another three years of this to go?
"As Adam Smith said, capitalism leads directly to monopoly unless the government steps in to enforce a fairer playing field."
The quote is of course: “People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices”
Smith's point of course was that intervention was needed to ensure that the market actually was free. The practical reality that he understood 400 or so years ago was that maintaining a free market without government intervention was in reality (regardless of what the barking wing of the neo-liberal school of economic thinking might opine) a non sequitur.
A cogent point that the writer appears to have missed entirely. The whole point about Microsoft's "bad old ways" was that they were bad because the were abusing a "market dominant position" - which is why the DoJ (quite rightly) went after them. In all of these new areas of competition MS is nowhere near in any kind of dominant position (and given that there are in many areas strong established players, eg Amazon, Apple and Google, they are most unlikely to end up with power that they could abuse). They are moreover often competing on other people's platforms and are not able to leverage the dominance that their own OS gave them in the past. They are having, in increasing degree, to fight their corner in an effective market over which they have no improper control - which is after all what we as punters want to happen.
"Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" old chap? Published in 1974 - I was nineteen at the time. God that makes me feel old!
I agree that the temptation is enormous. However, the take-home message is, IMO, very straight forward. We all have our opinions about which OS is the best but there is one huge problem with all these discussions about which system is the most secure and so on and so forth. Those arguments do not take into account one simple fact. The biggest vulnerability regardless of which system one chooses (Windows, MacOS or whichever flavour of Linux you prefer) is the person using it. Everything else pales in comparison with that issue. The average computer user would fuck it up regardless of which system one chose. Hmm, maybe summary execution is the only way forward!
It is one thing that they cannot be told regarding their own pcs/tablets/phones but when even the possibility of the sack if they eff up at work does not seem to make any difference then we really have a huge problem. When it all comes down to it the choice of OS or the security measures taken are of little use if the life-form on the other side of the keyboard simply ignores what they are told. Frankly I am at a loss to suggest any measures short of electric shock treatment that would get the average punter/employee to show a modicum of common sense.
A very acute post. I must admit that the potential consequences for the insurance companies had not occurred to me. With essentially only "one driver" to insure for the whole fleet, insurance costs would indeed drop dramatically and the auto-manufacturers could very well afford to supply insurance as part of the deal. See icon.
"Or have I missed a step, and Apple have some low-cost answer to empower the peasantry ?"
Pardon? This is Apple we are talking about! :)
The only problem with that is that India in terms of market share is almost entirely Android as far as smartphones go.*
We saw the pc market mature and begin to "adjust" downwards about 3 years or so ago. Thereafter we saw the tablet market (iPads included) do the same. The first indications that the smartphone market was heading the same way started to crop up about a year or more ago. No one is immune - not even Cupertino. Markets mature, they saturate and refresh rates begin to slow down. I repeat a point that I have made before. Where once the tech that the average member of the domestic retail market owned and used consisted of the "dumbphone" they carried with them and the pc they had at home, there are now three pieces of tech that are competing for the punter's spons - the phone, the pad and the pc.** It is scarcely amazing that the turnover in all of these markets is slowing. No company's bottom line can defy gravity for ever - about time that the markets had a more mature attitude to such issues. The hysterical volte-face from "buy, buy, buy I tell you" to " for God's sake sell, sell, sell" is, frankly speaking, no way to run an economy.
*No, this is not a "Fandroid" speaking - these are facts. At Arctic Fox towers I run a L950XL as my primary and a L950 as my backup. Madam runs a Sony Xperia as her primary and a midrange HTC as her backup - we are an ecumenical household.
** Currently, AFAIK, the only growth in "shinies" of any kind in the retail market is in the area of "all-in-ones" and "hybrids". How long that will last is anybody's guess.
Please Mr Dabbs, stop doing that. The image of your Fitbit Charge having a total nervous breakdown as you approach your climactic moment is too much to bear. I am billing you for a new keyboard.
"but there's good reasons nobody else has succeeded with them"
Where in the article is there any reference to these reasons? Apart, of course, from the obligatory reference to the R101 disaster, in the 1930s. Might it not be imagined that the necessary technology has improved a touch in the last eighty-five years?
"The South Koreans doth protest too much, methinks".
One South Korean doth protest too much, whilst two or more South Koreans do protest too much.
So true and so profound, a subset of Murpy's Law I believe?
Pleasure old chap. I have however to confess myself somewhat puzzled. We have both been downvoted and I do not have the first clue about why this should be the case. :)
"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .
Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God."
(The author, a pilot in the RAF, died in a training accident in on Dec 11th 1941)
Have you guys considered counselling? *
*That really was a joke, honest!
I think that if you had thought through the business case a little you might have realised the following. Far more people run an iPhone and/or an iPad in combination with a Windows pc at home than run them in conjunction with a Mac (this is a statement of fact - not puerile tribalist points scoring). That being the case there is possibly a market amongst retail punters who would like to have a version of their iOS app running on their Windows box. How well this would do is anybody's guess but some devs might feel that it was worth (from the purely business point of view) giving it a go if MS makes the time investment case worthwhile.
Oh dear J.J. It seems as if the anti-Redmond hatebois are so po-faced that they are not capable of recognising when someone is winding them up.
...............should be grateful that we cannot install Pokemon Go on our phones!
You owe me a new keyboard - see icon.
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