"Google’s released a Chrome extension that lets
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"Google’s released a Chrome extension that lets
"Although Google stopped mining Gmail accounts for data useful to advertisers last year, it left an API open allowing others to do just that...
... and thus created a nice little loophole for themselves - any complaints about privacy can neatly be foisted off onto the third party developers...
"Google will invest in KaiOS Inc to ensure
search, YouTube and Maps come to they can track your every action on KaiOS devices.
Although expect such tight coupling to be made between KaiOS and search, maps, pootube, etc that it rapidly becomes next to impossible to use such a device without them - like Android.
"... measures reflected signals bouncing off a user's hand to track its motion""
Of course, all we're reading here is the altruistic side. And why not? After all, it would be brilliant if this could make things easier for those who have diabetes...
... if only it were is trustworthy hands.
So, all you commentards who made so much noise about jumping ship due to Microsoft being all about "slurping" these days - care to comment?
Tomorrow's article - "Google: yeah, we were trying to make the kit work with GDPR, but it's just not going to happen..."
"If you talk in your sleep .... is Google listening?"
I would normally have said, "of course, this is Google, they're always listening"...
... except this event proves otherwise. Maybe 99.99999% of the time, they're listening, as per their SLA?
I think my brain just exploded from buzzword/cross-promotion overload...
... is to install Firefox. Regardless of OS.
... involving the devil and the deep blue sea.
"... totally blinkered... "
Yeah, it may have been a bricking a couple of PCs while trying to install Linux a few years back that put me off, it's knowing that there are people in the community with this sort of attitude that puts me off trying again.
Here's hoping that history repeats itself...
About as long as a reg commentard who is still stuck in the 90s has to drag their anti-Microsoft bias into a thread that otherwise has nothing to do with Microsoft?
"Also could it be set to work in reverse so users have to ability to warm a bagel on a metal phone cover?"
Well, that would just be in keeping with Apple tradition - I recall the Macs we had at my university kicked out so much heat that we used to joke about having slots in the front for 3.5inch disks, 5.25inch disks, and slices of break in order to make toast...
"Finally, on JUNE 12th, Microsoft fixed the vulnerability in Edge, which could have been abused to force the browser to transmit private data."
... perhaps because they wanted to test the fix before releasing?
I agree, the lack of communication is reprehensible. But at the end of the day - and yes, given that this is Microsoft, I know I am being horribly optimistic here - I would much rather time be given to testing, as opposed to a fix rushed out in a knee-jerk reaction to the self-appointed software police.
Oh yes, Google's "proprietary Android" that doesn't require the Linux kernel.
... because we all love proprietary software don't we?
At least this will stop the pretence that they have not "triple-E"-ed Android in all but name.
Back in the early 90s, the Atari STE was a giant among machines - probably the best all-round home computer platform across all arenas on the market at the time, (despite what owners of the Commodore Amiga Games Machine may say*).
Sad that the once-great name has been dragged down this far.
*Forget professional trolling, Atari and Amiga owners have been trolling each other since before "trolling" was a thing...
“System Insights” - AKA "Mystic Clippy":
"It looks like you you will be requiring more capacity when the stars align..."
@rmason - never had a problem myself, but as I'm a) paranoid, b) stingy and - apparently - c) cursed*, I prefer to wait it out and see how others get on first...
* Any time I Try doing anything related to updating/changing/re-installing something at system level, I end up with a dead PC. A few years back, I rendered a laptop capable of doorstop duty while trying to install Linux. I've also bricked my mother-in-law's laptop trying to fix a Windows driver error. And this is just the tip of the iceburg - so these days, I'll stick to just being a programmer and end-user.
On the plus side, none of my friends and relatives bug me to fix their machines any more "because I work with computers"...
Will still be using that "schedule restart" option to delay installation for a few weeks until I know it's not going to explode my machine...
"... the PFY took every single nut, bolt and screw out of everything."
Am I the only one here who read this and thought of that bit in Short Circuit where the guy's car gets taken apart in about ten seconds flat?
... then it truly would be a victory for open source.
Come on all you Android fans who keep shouting about how bad Apple and Microsoft are with their walled gardens - time to put your money where your mouths are. If it were completely Google free then I'd buy it - hell, I might even go back into mobile development for it!
Docs are also bound by patient confidentiality laws and don't pull every legal loophole known to man in order to sell your data.
For the same reasons someone might want to install a browser that only allows extensions to be installed from its own store?
"all COBOL and FORTRAN programmers are *DEAD* ? (is THAT what you meant?)"
Please tell me that I'm not the only one that read this and - because of the way SOMEONE uses CAPS to EMPHASISE normally - read "COBOL" and "FORTRAN" as "cobol" and "fortran"...
"to a significant extent the internet is already regulated"...
Yeah, Google's algorithms determine what hits those top spots on their search page...
"People seem to be getting terribly upset at the shocking discovery that Google, Facebook and in fact everyone else online makes money from advertising..."
As has been the theme so far, it's having their every move tracked that people are getting terribly upset about - just look at the comments for anything on here that mentions Microsoft for example. And the worst thing is that these are often the same people who signed up for all the "free stuff"...
And, as has been mentioned, there are then the popup/video/full page background etc ads....
Until ads are blocked from delivering anything more than static text/images positioned below the page content and tracking pixels etc are a thing of the past, my blockers stay on.
That's fine because Facebook does the same?
Did I ever say it was fine? No. I just said that others were already doing it (quite successfully, too), and Microsoft - in typical Microsoft style - went "Oooh look, we need to get into that action".
Please come up with an adult argument that makes data slurping OK.
I'll let you know as soon as I have one. In the meantime, please try and read what I have written and not jump to conclusions or apply biases that are not there.
And as for my question regarding which browser, mobile etc - it's not about who started slurping data first, or whether it is right or wrong, it's about pointing out that this is not just a Microsoft thing. Personally, I would like to see tighter regulation and full user control of what data any of these companies can harvest, but I don't have the lobbying capital to go head-to-head against these corporate giants...
No, the joke is on the aforementioned people who fell for the lure of free stuff and handed over their data, thus ultimately leading Microsoft to the idea that here is a new viable business model - albeit several years after everyone else.
Incidentally, what browser/search engine/phone/social media do you use?
Microsoft are making monitors! It probably slurps everything I do evaaaar, not that this my giving all my details away for "free stuff" to other companies showed Microsoft that this slurping is a viable business model! I must immediately migrate everything I have made projector displays! Never mind the Github thing, this is eeeeeevil!!!!
... just to get it in before someone whose head is still stuck in the 90s does. Possibly with the odd WORD in CAPITALS because they think it somehow makes their argument look better...
"Ceres, which was originally classified as a planet after its discovery in 1801 but then relegated 40 years later..."
"That's no planet..."
Chrome's dominance has nothing to do with Microsoft's antitrust battles and everything to do with
Microsoft and Mozilla losing the plot Google splashing great big "Install Chrome and browse faster!" link all over their search pages.
Given that at the time nobody was any where near Google's quality of results, of course everyone was going to see it.
... but until the memory hogging and privacy issues are fixed, I'm sticking to Firefox.
Well, all that money for lobbying and paying people to pick holes in competitor's products has to come from somewhere...
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I can't help but wonder what would have happened if Google had created their own crypto coin at some point in the last year or so...
Just like Microsoft missed the massive disruption that the internet caused in IT, so it feels like Google might have missed a similar disrupt - and are now doing what they can to limit the damage it might do to them...
... since the BOFH has made me laugh out loud. Snigger, yes. Chuckle to myself. yes...
... but the mental image of the boss flying out of the room only to be intercepted by a high-velocity wheely chair just hit the right spot. Nice one.
"Google - Master of fracturing and splitting their own userbase."
This is actually a legit business tactic - I saw it while in a previous role. The idea is that the big company that owns the various potentially competing companies is using them to grab more dosh.
For example - say Alphabet brought out "Alphabet Search" to rival Google (as suggested elsewhere in this thread). Both will have slots where you can buy an advert.
In order to get maximum coverage, an advertising space buyer will buy slots on both Google and Alphabet Search... both of which are emptying into Alphabet's coffers.
"Google need to get a grip"
The only things Google cares about getting a grip on is as much of our data as possible, and what we are presented with when using the web.
"A concerted effort is needed to restart, or even turbocharge, Britain's once-great achievements in academic enterprise"
Something like raising the entry requirements and bringing back the grants would probably go a good way towards this - right now, universities are only good for qualifications that are pretty useless in the employment sense and getting a mountain of debt.
"So GO! GOOGLE! and *STRESS* Micro-shaft into fixing their browser!"
Yeah, publish the details so that the black-hatters can take advantage of the problem! *STRESS* them and force them to fix it as fast as possible - maybe they won't have time to test the patch properly, so it causes more problems than it fixes, thus giving the "because it's Microsoft" brigade more to write about in with lots of capital letters!
Really responsible behaviour and use of power there...
"I find it irresponsible of Google to still release information before the patch is released."
But then, as the Intel issue proved, this is nothing to do with altruism and making the web a safer place - although it's dressed up as such.
As has been pointed out, this is about attacking a competitor and spreading FUD - exactly the same tactics Microsoft themselves were renowned for some 25 or so years ago. The fact that Google's own browser, which has its own share of issues, reached its market leading position largely because of it's being plastered all over their search pages only strengthens the case for anti-competitive behaviour.
"... an iOS and Android duopoly... "
This raises an interesting situation: Back in the late 90s-early 00s, the vast majority of desktop hardware, regardless of brand, ran Windows - except for Apple, whose computers ran their own OS. And then Microsoft tried to tie their browser to their OS and got the crap sued out of them for anti-competitive behaviour.
Fast-forward 20 or so years: the vast majority of smartphone hardware, regardless of brand, runs Android - except for Apply, whose iPhones run their own OS. And these Android devices ship with Chrome installed, and are largely tied to Play and the other Google services...
Yeah, I suppose the only good thing to come out of this is that we won't get the usual suspects posting the same old tired "both of them" comments any more...
"Alas, I never did see one in the wild, so nothing changes for me there."
So basically, what you're saying is that all your judgements and comments were based on third-party information?
The advertising industry is probably one of the few entities with enough cash and connections to take Google on in a legal battle - Google probably realise that with their effective monopoly on search and how they have used this to push Chrome to the #1 browser position, an anti-trust action would have a similar effect on them as it did on Microsoft all those years ago.
Pity. I'd just gotten the popcorn all warmed up.
"Google's goal... is not to filter any ads at all but to improve the experience for all web users."
Le sigh... as usual, hiding behind the wall of altruism. This is again about (ab)using a dominant market position (itself gained largely by similar activity in another market that Google has a practical monopoly in) to attack potential competitors and acclimatise the end users towards increasing acceptance of Google's control over what web content is easily accessible (ie: that conforming to Google's criteria), and what will be buried away or potentially censored.
"Google has grasped the depth and breadth of the resentment created by the ad industry's unrepentant bad behavior." - however, they're still doing their level best to condition the end user against their control and data-slurping.
Until something has the chops to run game dev tools, it's no substitute for a workhorse PC or laptop
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