bet they can be made specific to the infected phone.
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Re: Web Share API
I was think with the WebUSB stuff wouldn't they implement similar validation that Microsoft or presumably Google chrome and Linux own online update mechanisms uses. Which are all themselves reasonably secure and safe to use.
Re: 9 years
Page and Brin admitted they didn't.
Re: This wouldn't happen in Scotland
Because ICO don't look to punish but look to inform, advise and teach an work with companies and individuals to do so. They only tend to punish if companies or public institutions repeat offence and even then it tend to be for outright loss of data or potential loss of data, NHS losing unencrypted memory sticks multiple times,, Sony failing to have the recommended level of security for it systems despite being one of the most targeted companies on the planet.
In this case the hospital and Deepmind thought they were following the law but it turn out they weren't and instead they should have done things differently, no data was actually loss or was in any likely danger of being missed use by either party. A few other trusts are using similar deals as well with private companies that will be need to be redone and certainly how the NHS shares information from now on will have to change.
If NHS and private firms do sign similar deals in the future they are likely to be fine if anyone can be bothered to report them, let's be honest this probably wouldn't have gone to the ICO if it was anyone else other than Google doing the project. An NHS would carry on with similar practices up and down the country.
Re: Deep Mind keeps the learning though?
They weren't using it for treatment, they were using it to guide their decision making process on what treatment to offer a patient. An the only reason any professional tend to use a tool if it works well, according to most people who have spoken about and use streams it works very well.
Re: I'm looking forward...
actually for a first time offence this is exactly what traffic cops do. So you are actually validating the ICO tactics as this is the first time Deepmind has been found guilty by them.
Re: Deep Mind keeps the learning though?
so we should stop Deepmind from providing a service that the NHS and it doctors are finding useful for saving lives and maximising staff precious time?
I doubt he will complete this project for only 100-150 million dollars. Airlander 10 has had 300 plus million spent on it and it has only just started test flights.
Plus if I was a billionaire it make more sense for me to just buy an Airlander 10 or even have them money to construct a Airlander 50 model and pay for a customise cabin attachment. Probably do the whole lot for around 75 million quid.
Cummings seem pretty behind of what batteries can deliver nowadays, tier1engineering for example already have a manned helicopter capable of doing 20 minutes flights on a platform that clearly not optimise for electric flight, the batteries are underneath for example which can't be good for aerodynamics.
It about rapidly replacing them when Chinese, Russians, are shooting them down missiles or lasers.
I will be surprise if this vehicle ever flies.
I believe they have announced that some parts will be using 3d printed components. Which is being use to cut costs of the project.
Re: civilian Intercept
The issue isn't jamming, BAE Taranis is rumoured to have carried out completely automated bombing runs during its testing in Australia. The issue is do we hand over war to completely autonomous drones.
Reaper and Predator drones have at least some automation built into them and can handle a large part of mission profiles without human intervention.
At least it seems Google cares about it cooks, hopefully that stretch to Google paying all of their medical expenses.
Re: Streams is showing real patient benefits.
But if that's the case it likely all trusts have been breaking the law for decades. As they all regularly process data in ways that unrelated to patient care.
This is only advisory. Only the ICO and the courts can actually declare this illegal. I somehow doubt they will declare it illegal, they will probably say google and Royal Free London should have done it in a different way instead using a different method the NHS has for data sharing.
Re: Not surprised
But it was a doctor not a excutive that suggested they do it this way.
Re: AI usage out of control?
Better not use the NHS then because pretty much all data is collected and use for research purposes or for the day to day management and improvement of the NHS.
The declaration use by the NHS probably isn't detail enough to cover the uses of this data that is mandated by law then.
Re: There's a more interesting ethical question than just "the rules"
Except of cause the Hospitals/GPs/Clinics all across the NHS use patient data for areas outside of patient care without per specific permissions being given for each of those uses. It how the NHS can spot abnormal patient deaths, it how we know cancers drugs are as good as their manufacturers say, it how we know whether procedures are worthwhile doing.
Because the NHS is one of the best in the world at collecting an organising this data and proactively using this to run the services and to guide changes that need to be made to the services to achieve better outcomes. The compare to other health care service providers not compare to other industries.
Re: Streams is showing real patient benefits.
Is there a better way to achieve the same out come. Hospitals across the NHS runs trials, so it not like running trials and monitoring what the results are is new to them, I very much doubt they be expanding the role out of the services to more doctors and staff if it leading to poorer outcomes for patients.
Re: 'inappropriate' or 'illegal'?
It always illegal for a company to use information beyond the scope of it intended purpose. It has been since they first pass the data protection act. I'm pretty sure analysing patent data to improve patient care doesn't go beyond on that and is allowed by the declaration patient sign when they join up with their GP or sign forms at hospital.
The issue may be that google and Royal London are stretching that declaration to the maximum through. The ICO will have to decide. I
It legally it doesn't mean anything, it does sound rather good if you a participant in the sport called bashing google. We will have to wait for the ICO to offer us a proper insight on whether this was legal or illegal. My guess will be that Deepmind did comply with all of the relevant laws at the time and why it may have taken a unorthodox approach it didn't breach patient data or confidentiality or broke any laws.
It will probably make recommendation that Department of Health should construction a some rules and regulations around this.
or better than financial resources, they could just show their app actually works and working to save lives. Showing Google and London Royal Hospital approach to introducing AI actually works, saving lives, saving, saving doctors time.
Re: Paper Tigers
NGD has no legal powers, Dame Fiona Caldicott has no legal training from what I can tell. So actually this is far from the end of this.
actually you end up with a AI as good as all the medics who use the system combine.
Plus on top of this Deepmind is no doubt going back over the ones Streams missed to work out why it missed that patient and refine and improve the AI. So overtime Streams has the potential to become many times better than a medic. Plut it won't get tired, it won't be rushed and it won't just have a off day like humans do.
Re: So they just roll their own
Hezbollah already build their own drones, capable enough to penetrate deep into Israeli airspace and have done for a few years. So knowledge on how to do this isn't new in terrorists circles.
The reason they gotten away with it is because the regulators showed all their tricks when dealing with Microsoft and set down legal precedents, which Google has then gone through with a fine tooth comb and design there business to work with in those rules, which is why it has proven extremely difficult to nail Google on just about anything.
Microsoft issue is that no one really wants to support two OSes on a single hardware platform.
Does it matter whether it legal or not, all that matters is whether Google will tolerate it, and as long as it doesn't become to big, Google just might because it another example that there that companies can compete with Google if they want to. Things like Samsung own AI and Amazon efforts will also help to sell that if it ever reaches court.
I will believe it when I see it. It ULA plans have far points of failure than Musks and Bezos.
I wish we had a billionaire backing Reaction Engines as well. But it seems our billionaires are boring old farts who prefer to play it safe by buying properties.
Impressive but yeah it would be interesting to know just how much of the Falcon 9 had to be rebuilt for this launch.
Because there to many companies and individuals and accountant who spend far to much time trying to find loopholes in the tax laws that allowed them not pay tax.
Re: "the job of Government is to support the people, not tax the people"
everything on contractor calculator is about how to avoid having to pay tax.
It pathetic really. Corporations and individuals should stop trying to use laws and procedures to avoid taxes. Especially NI which seem to be one everyone is trying to avoid paying nowadays.
Your code don't take into account that the person who may have been found "innocent" could still be part of a criminal or the criminal underworld.
So it down to the local police who actually know these people to decide whether their photo should be remove or not. I'm perfectly fine with that and to me that the sensible way to handle it.
Presumably once it primary mission is completed, Nasa will risk tightening the orbit? or will it stay at it 53 day orbit until they decide to crash it into Jupiter's?
Re: batteries have a long way to go
The batteries in most cars are under the floor, there little stopping engineers from having the batteries on a tray like system, slide the old battery out, slide the new one in, not much harder than changing batteries in a phone.
Re: Auto-parking not working is a bad sign...
you save a tonne of weight by not having a big engine in the front/middle/rear of the car.
Electric engines themselves weigh almost nothing himself.
There a lot to discussed on the privacy side and philosophy side of things, but from a business standpoint this is a long overdue move from Google. It would make sense that they will eventually transfer wifi hub and Home and Chrome device teams over to Nest an unify their smart home technologies into a single, modular platform.
Re: A word on what science is
Nasa is releasing it December.
This been the most suggested theory to date, I presume people already checked it out.
Re: More bad physics (or bad writing)
Solar sails wouldn't work very well outside the solar system, not without building a huge arse laser to continue to push it, this if it does work would would independently of solar radiation and thus can continue to accelerate all the way to the star or if you want to stop at the star, to midpoint before you start slow down. .
Re: If the EM drive works it's neither physics or maths that is broken
Some egos might be damaged beyond repair through.
Re: Physical possibilities
An should all be easily detectable and I'm sure NASA or the many other teams working on this have looked for them all.
Re: Market Dominance
An it doesn't force them to install any of their apps either. As proven by Amazon, hardware makers have the right to fault android and avoid installing any of Google apps.
Google does allow companies to replace stock apps but it a all or nothing deal.
I suspect that it would take so much lipstick that the people who will try this will stick out like a sore thumb anyway.
But it would be hilarious seeing drug dealers going around town wearing make up for fear that a camera just might be lip reading them.
Re: Inside a smoky room...
Why don't they just mandate all phones have software that keep their microphones on 100% of the time and allow the illumina, i mean the NSA to monitor all their communications, most people never let phones leave their eyesight anyway.
It depends on the phone. Some phones do come with a dedicated processor for voice activation. Snapdragon 800 series I believe.
I may have missed heard but I think Google did say at one point that you choose a keyword,