Re: Maybe a bit more to worry about...
I guess Tim hasn't realised the interwebs are forever.
816 posts • joined 10 Jun 2009
I guess Tim hasn't realised the interwebs are forever.
A lot of the smaller sellers on the sites don't get anywhere near the VAT threshold to even need to register and charge VAT so Hilliers idea of automating it for all would not work.
You need to be doing north of £7,000 on the tat bazaars to need to register in the first place so a lot of the UK businesses not charging VAT don't actually have to in the first place.
"(I am in Germany under German law - but clearly that doesn't matter to remainers)"
Assuming you are British and still hold a British passport then you are able to live, work, study etc freely thanks to the EU you seem to hate so much.
Protecting the rights of everyone in the UK is important, Brexit means you lose those rights along with the rest of us.
So if the UK crashes out with no deal you would be happy to be deported from Germany?
Cue the British exceptionalism in 3,2,1........
Just on this:
" the French use only French vehicles "
I spend quite a bit of time in France in the mountains and I had no idea that the Subaru's driven by the plod in the Alps are French, or the Toyota 4WD's used by the lift companies are French, Or the Piste bashers from Germany etc etc etc.
A significant amount of UK lamb production goes to Europe, we flog boatloads of shellfish, I could go on.
And this gem:
"they are going to continue to export to us and charge us for the joy but stop us participating in any rule making"
This is completely wrong, as a third country we set our own standards and rules on whats acceptable in our sovereign market after Brexit, but here is the issue, unless we are going to RAISE standards above those from the EU27 then the producers in the EU won't face challenges to export to us.
However, the reality is that the divergence wanted by Mogg and Redwood and the rest of the ERG mob is to lower standards so that the emerging market producers they are heavily invested in can take advantage of the plan from Minford and economists 4 leave to lower inward tariffs/quotas to 0%. Effectively making the UK a dumping ground and wiping out manufacturing and agriculture.
The EU rules are irrelevent, the standards they follow will be higher and I doubt even the most ardent eurosceptic is going to tell an EU producer to make crappier stuff for the UK!
And the piece d' resistance:
"we would be better off completely closing our borders to ALL imports and saying stuff it to the rest of the world (just check our trade deficit)"
Yeah, who needs gas, oil, cement, medicines etc. etc. ad infinitum.............
Have to be honest Dave you aren't helping the argument that Brexiteers are the sharpest tools in the shed
The transition is when we are outside the EU but bound by the rules.
As we will be outside the EU we don't qualify under the rules we will be bound by.
"As a country we are relying less and less on EU imports. The amount we import from the EU is falling each year. We import a lot of our fresh fruit from Africa and south America, yet we are not allowed to make trade deals with countries outside the EU."
No wonder you posted this anonymously because its total rubbish.
We have over 700 trade deals with countries outside the EU as a result of being part of that bloc. What trade deals are we currently missing?
Reality is that three trade areas set the global market standards, the US, China and the EU. Once you are outside those you have no power, influence or say and you are dependent on co-operative support at the WTO if something doesn't work for you.
As for this:
"for example, the police should not be driving around in cars imported from Korea when we make cars in this country."
All those foreign owned car makers building stuff from imported parts, once rules of origin become an issue for export you are going to be left with Caterham and Ariel Motors for your Brexit approved plod mobiles, as long as they don't stick the Honda engines in them!
Is 'Deep and Special' in the mix for the full soundbite speech from the Maybot, although she probably used that at some stage.
20 months post referendum and not a plan in sight, not even a sniff of one, its as if they have no idea what they are doing.......
If ever we needed a lesson in the importance of the rule of 5 P's its the current debacle around Brexit.
The primary blocker to a good deal is the red lines that May has decided on.
The trickle down slide the EU did showing what was possible based on each one was very informative.
The fact most quitlings don't know the difference between the court of human rights and the ECJ tells you all you need to know on the basis of those red lines.
A good deal takes movement on both sides, May has set those red lines and defined the scope of the deal she can expect
Going to have to disagree as I have the 'joy' of both a flock of peafowl and live on a shooting estate with loads of pheasants.
The peafowl are streets ahead of the pheasants in intelligence terms.
Whats the Devops angle?
He needed all that stuff to fill the time on long car journeys when the thing was driving itself........
Can't he be this weeks leader of UKIP?
is why Government polcy should not be written by Mumsnet!
Is not so much the porn watching, or even the leak of his activities (as he has denied it we start to see a public interest defence if he has lied)
Its the fact he can access sites which often carry malicious payloads. Green has access to a lot of confidential information and the same machine with all the access to the confidential stuff is being used in a seriously risky manner to access porn sites.
You have to wonder how much information has been lifted as a result? The national security aspect of this is far more important than the moral questions on his alleged porn viewing.
With all the talk of regaining our soveriegnty with Brexit we seem to be rolling over and discarding that same sovereignty with this case.
When they introduced this it would fall at the first hurdle if challenged under a variety of laws but it gave them a good run of your local civil servants looking at your data to find out if the bloke down the road likes dwarf porn.
The funny part is that Brexit won't change this, even if the headbangers like Rees Mogg and Redwood demand it as it would prevent an adequacy decision under GDPR meaning a whole host of other data processing, storage and transfer issues for the UK.
So with Brexit we will lose our seat on the A29WP and any influence on how data protection law in our largest neighbouring market moves forward and we will have to comply fully to allow for trade to occur.
Either that or we join Kim Jong Un and become as ronery as the Norks.......
What about people who have used Facebook whilst visting Austria?
The use of the Austrian version of Facebook with adverts served in the local language surely infers the same rights as a resident to sue in the court of that country?
"Come Brexit we shall need to produce more food inland anyway
Why? We can just buy it from developing nations currently shat upon by the EU's "circled wagons" approach to free trade that puts significant duties on those agricultural imports to benefit (mainly) French farmers."
We already do and much of it is duty or tariff free under the 'anything but arms' scheme.
As for trading bloc protection its always made me laugh that so many brexit advocates in politics are in the pay of US sugar producer Tate & Lyle and seem to think the destruction of British Sugar and UK Beet farmers is a good thing to benefit a US company and Caribean farmers!
Then we get onto how you transport your veg from far away lands to ensure its still edible and the cost of the food miles involved.
The Minford fantasy of free trade and zero import tariffs for all will destroy UK manufacturing and farming and leave us dependent on foreign powers for our food and other criticial supplies. Not good from a jobs perspective, or food security or anything really.
Will be no shortage of DC space in the UK in the coming years as anyone with half a brain has already started to move data relating to EU subjects into the mainland.
What many people miss is that simply storing it outside the UK isn't enough, without an adequacy decision it won't be lawful for someone sitting in the UK to 'process' EU citizens data so the jobs will also move.
From a risk perspective as current ICO rules allow for data transfers its easier to stick UK data subjects data in the EU and process it there than keep it here.
One bonus will be that it makes it a lot harder for Kim Jong Rudd and the rest of the Nork wannabees to hoover up that info.
@ Big John
Paddle faster, I hear banjos........
Just how is she even being considered for a role which doesn't require the use of the phrase 'do you want fries with that?' is beyond me.
It wasn't just one breach, she was at the helm for at least three talk talk data breaches.
How this has even got to a 'pre appointment' stage is another question, what pre requisites does she meet for the shortlisting process for a role overseeing the NHS?
Well as the UK screws itself over Brexit most companies are looking at an EU location for data in case the UK doesnt have adequacy arranged (or flights, or food) come March 2019.
Want a data and service operation with no language barrier then Ireland is your go to place if you are a UK business wanting to be GDPR compliant (banks, Insurance, etc etc)
"any DC will be using fossil fuel power all through the winter nights, AND even when running on renewable electricity, the grid will be reliant upon fossil fuel back up, as will be the DC for its on site power backup."
Suggest you look at Lulea in Sweden and http://thenodepole.com/ natural cooling and lots of hydro power.
Not all data centres are created equal
Comrade Corbyn has them earmarked for Glorious State Potato Farm Number 4.....
Shouldnt it be,
'Glorious Leader increases the worlds access to the glorious North Korean Internet' ?
Its no coincidence that the new EU rules aimed at curbing artificial tax avoidance come into effect in March 2019.
If you wonder why Teresa May triggered article 50 when it was abundantly clear the UK was not in a position to start the process you have to understand that the decision was taken for her by the vested interests in the Tory party along with the kippers.
After all, it wouldnt be easy to explain to the EU commission how 99% of a companies revenue can be charged to an entity in Gibralter as 'costs' and then magically emerge tax free in Panama thanks to the work of Mossack Fonseca.
And if you wondered why Boris doesn't want the UK to be subject to new EU regulations during a transition period after March 2019 see above!
Turn up early, press the intercom, get through to the organic firewall, 'Who? sorry I have no idea what you are talking about'
Give up, go in anyway, find they only booked the room this morning so left in a cupboard with ten people.
Projector with no cable - check
No Wifi - check
Offer of a drink - of course not
The toilets are more salubrious than the meeting room.
Just another day in the world of IT freelancing
They already are moving the data. General consensus is stick the data in the EU27 and let the ICO worry about the problem rather than the other way round.
Anyone relying on an adequacy approach for UK law to allow them to process EU data subjects data is taking a significant risk.
An APS is pretty much any data storage system in use as the whole point of them is to automate manual tasks (think emailing a receipt at the end of a transaction for example)
You will have to log every interaction with the data to meet this as its currently written which will mean you will end up with more data in logs than in the actual database. GDPR focuses on consent changes and adequate tracking of how consent is obtained and removed so it makes sense to log those.
One way of increasing server sales and boosting the economy it seems!
He seems to be confusing data protection with the protection of property rights or just merging them all together because they also use the word 'protection'.
Many already have and have decided it will be easier to host all data in the EU27 and see what the ICO does rather than try to split or keep all data in the UK.
Once we are a third country it just takes one adequacy decision in the ECJ and its game over for processing of EU citizens data, would you take that risk?
'The internet is the work of the devil and you are a tool of satan'
'That would be an ecumencal matter'
'Can I talk to you about Jesus......'
They all seem to work quite well
You really don't understand how any of this works.
Take the ECJ, if they tell the EU27 that something is not compliant or doesn't meet standards/GDPR et al (the list is endless) then thats game over for whatever that sector is involved in.
Hence why the moves are more than brass plate on the door. They are also moving data, services and in some cases entire teams into the EU27 just to be ready for GDPR requirements alone.
We haven't touched on Airlines either, Easyjet blinked first, BA will follow but has the advantage that it can leverage services etc within IAG its parent, Ryanair has already taken steps, all of which will add economic value in other countries and remove it from the UK.
You can keep your dream of empire alight but in the cold light of day we are a small island in a world which has moved on greatly since we conquered much of it and gave them our civil service as a lasting legacy
Meeting your obligations to withdraw is just that, meeting the obligation which includes a fiscal one.
The trade agreement can only happen after the withdrawl is agreed for the simple reason that the trade deal cannot be put in place until we actually leave and have third country status. Thats why the stages are Withdrawl, define trading arrangement, sign deal on the day of leaving (if one is done of course)
As to the import at lower or zero tariffs argument (the Minford fantasy) , fine if you are purely a consumer economy but even the economic sage himself says that approach will completely destroy manufacturing in the UK. It will also hammer our exporters, end result will not be pretty.
The financial sector will be really hit hard if by March 2019 we don't have adequacy to handle the data of EU citizens or a deal on passporting, hence all the major financial institutions making contingency arrangements in the EU27 for that eventuality, just look at the doubling in commercial rents in Dublin since the vote, they are loving it.
As for Euro clearing, some of it already takes place in the US, they wont say no to more, plus your comment about reserve currency status is rubbish. The dollar is a reserve currency and almost all of its clearing is in New York so moving Euro Clearing more heavily into Europe won't change the reserve status of a currency.
Automative will be interesting, we don't have the supply chain in the UK to replace the multiple component moves that make up modern car manufacturing. End result if we do become a third country with no deal is a significant impact on the major manufacturers, all of which are fully or partially European owned. Of course the government has given a comfort letter to the Franco-Japanese owned Nissan and will probably have to do the same to BMW Mini, Tata Land Rover, Honda, Peugot (now owners of Vauxhall) etc. You or I won't get a comfort letter telling us the UK taxpayer will make up the difference, we will be the ones paying it. But even with those kind of subsidies/guarantees etc outside of the luxury producers you will see a big contraction, its already happened with investment plummeting since 2015 when the referendum was announced.
The real irony I have saved until last, now we are leaving we won't have a seat at the table and as a third country we will have to adhere to ECJ decisions and jump through all those hoops just to trade with the largest market on our doorstep. Its worth remembering the impact that the ECJ ruling in Schrems v. Facebook referred by Ireland had, even the land of the Trump has to bend to the ECJ if it wants to trade with one of the other big three.
Article 50 isnt a long document, it is about the withdrawl of a member from the EU which is why the EU published its position document openly with the withdrawl element to be dealt with first.
Thats not an obstacle, thats the approach layed down in the article to be followed. Davis was, as usual, just full of bluster and bravado.
Euro clearing takes place in many places, not just the UK, we happen to handle about 70% of it, Paris does about 11% and the rest is spread around. It represents a clear opportunity to move a significant amount away from London and, like the efforts to get the EU agencies business the EU countries are not going to let that prize go, nor are the Americans.
On the food and farming front its not just about the price to the consumer but also about tariffs and quota's under WTO rules. The 40% tariff on lamb for example is not going to be a good day out for the UK sheep farming industry, and thats just one example.
Like the UKIP's supporting the Caribbean Sugar Cane producers and US multi national cane processors UK sugar beet farmers are going to find out that life gets very hard without the protection of the tradeing block even with a weak currency to aid exports.
I am all for freedom and democracy, this was a binary vote so leaving the EU and joining EEA/EFTA meets that binary choice. I would also argue that your extension of that binary choice to be much more is a real example of someone trying to usurp democracy.
The EU are not putting obstacles in the way, remember the battle of the summer over parallel negotiations?
That lasted 4 minutes before Davis capitulated.
The EU27 have a job to do, they don't need to put any obstacles in the way and have been absolutely transparent in the position papers without press embargoes or press briefings.
The consensus in the EU27 is one of ambivelance, the EU is not going to collapse as a result of Britain leaving, in fact many of the countries in the EU27 actually want a hard Brexit as they stand to gain considerably from the transfer of assetts, businesses and economic activity. Taking farming, nothing we grow in the UK can't be grown in Northern Europe and they have lots of space to take over the production of arable and veg to replace what comes from the UK. Incidently, about 80% of all pea and pea protien (ready meals) consumer in the UK is grown in Northern Europe, what do you think thats going to do to your food costs.
A no deal departure would mean that Euro clearing goes to the EU27 from London, following the regulatory agencies like Medicine, which incidently brings huge secondary spend with hotel rooms, transport, visitor leisure etc. little wonder the EU cities are lining up to bid for those agencies.
The government has already floated the idea of EFTA court as the arbitrator, thats to soften headbangers like you up to the reality that we will join EEA/EFTA and it will be business as usual.
What that means in reality is a higher membership bill, significantly reduced grants, more paperwork and no say on the shape of the union. The positives are that the likes of Farage, Hannan and the rest of the MEP troughers are out of a job and business can continue as usual.
"Sorry - utter rubbish. European companies are beating down the door to their governments DEMANDING they make a deal with us. "
Yet strangely as I sit in Dublin Airport after another day consulting with a SaaS provider the general consensus is that the UK won't get an adequacy decision and any serious business is already a long way down the road of moving its data into an EU 27 country.
It will be far easier to store UK data in the EU and watch as the UK government does nothing than it would be to keep it in the UK and find you can't do business when the ECJ does a Schrems and the UK as a third country finds itself out on its arse in a data processing wilderness.
Enjoy your unicorn riding Maxfm.......
So the taxpayers of Islington have paid for the incompetence of the council that they pay for.
Whats the betting that none of the in house staff at Islington responsible for this have been fired?
The council should be within its rights to fire them, and sue them for the costs incurred as well.
Makes these at home.
He gets decent quality sausages and simply slits them, wraps them in puff pastry, brushes some egg yolk on the top and chucks them in the oven.
Food of the gods!*
* please check with your sky fairy of choice, not all gods are supported, see our terms of service for more details.......
A lot of the guidance from the Article 29 working party is yet to be published so its going to be interesting to see how many changes are required in this bill before it truly meets the requirements of GDPR.
Of course this also crosses the Maybots red line regarding the ECJ as they will make rulings which the UK will have to comply with to continue to do business with EU nations. Its going to be interesting to see how they spin that.
Whichever way you slice and dice it we will have no voice or say, and if the EU decides on an arbitary basis that as a 3rd country we no longer meet the requirements then its game over for a lot of tech business. Any global business with half a brain is going to move its data processing operations to the EU27 rather than risk a negative determination as a third country which also means that UK citizens data will be housed in an area we have no say or influence over.
Apparently, when it comes to data 'taking back control' really means dropping our pants and wondering why everyone is pointing and laughing.
The 'gig economy' workers are usually not far above benefits level, deem them inside IR35 and you open up a whole can of tax credit worms and the potential that they will stop working and claim many other benefits so a net tax loss overall.
A skilled IT contracter making £600+ per day is a soft target and is unlikely to fall back on the state in the same way. They are also a lot easier to find and manage as they typically do submit tax returns etc.
Add in that the many and varied gig economy companies have tongues firmly buried up politicians and have open doors to post political careers for them and its little wonder they are not heavily targetted.
Not so easy with many sealed unit items without removable batteries.
we are going to need a bigger shark....
The CIO didn't get the bullet for a complete failure of leadership.....
The icon on the top right was an indication of the seriousness of the comment.......
Surely this is a great victory for feminism and female empowerment?
If you have single points of failure you deserve everything you get.
That's not the fault of 'the cloud' it's down to incompetent shitgibbons who shouldn't be within a thousand miles of any critical technology.
At $800 ......
"saw it launch an unnamed aerial vehicle"
Derek, we shall call it Derek the Drone.........
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