I seem to recall Carole Caddwalladr writing about the use of her personal data by Eldon/Banks/Leave EU and a complaint to the ICO
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"Which foods and by how much?"
Lets start with the ridiculously easy one- chicken from the US is much cheaper than in the EU.
"look at the issue of food security and reliance on imports"
We are already there. We cannot provide enough food in this country for the people in this country. We already rely on imports.
Lets also ask why the US has a food poising rate thats nearly 10 times that of the EU, and thats according to the CDC.
What do you think the cost of transport would add to the chicken cost?
And given the wholesale price is €1.85 per kg in the EU and $2.02 cents in the US we are talking a difference of 10c per kg wholesale before you ship it to the UK.
So is that 10c worth it for animals raised thigh deep in faeces in appaling conditions and an industry with chronic safety and hygene issues?
And you answer to a weak policy on food security is to make it weaker!
"The fact that Vote Leave received incorrect advice does not absolve them, they still have to follow the law and still have to be fined."
This is actually incorrect and its the spin vote leave put on the outcome of the case.
They actually recieved correct advice that they could donate money to other campaigns but they could not work in co-ordination with them.
They ignored that bit and thought they could launder money through Darren Grimes and no one would notice. The reality is, as all the evidence shows, they co-ordinated from the outset and they knew throughout that this went against the guidance the electoral commission gave them.
They lost the leave to appeal case yesterday as well as they have no realistic prospect of convincing the court they didn't coordinate.
You really dont have a clue.
Lets get back to your original premise, that food will be cheaper.
Which foods and by how much?
Once you've answered that simple question we can maybe look at the issue of food security and reliance on imports once you have decimated the UK's farming industry.
"You can start with this:"
I was waiting for at least one remainer to shoot you down for me as it is a common (and not incorrect) argument that brexit would cause inefficient farmers to go out of business as they lose the protectionism for their over expensive produce. Basically because we can import cheaper than now and will not necessarily prop up the industry.
Thats the Minford fantasy or removing all tariff barriers for everything, straight from the 55 Tufton Steet think tanks in a publication which has been universally debunked on many issues from imaginary coffee tariffs to citrus fruit and beyond.
You might want to consider that even Minford says it will end UK manufacturing and Agriculture if implemented.
What it also does is remove protections for emerging nations and simply benefits the huge agro industrires.
You also ignore the lower buying power of weak sterling, but then, you ignore every other fact so no great surprise on that one.
But just for laughs, how is dropping all our 0% tariff deals and then opening borders to the world at 0% with no protections for UK industries going to make stuff cheaper when that very action will drop the £ by between 10 and 15%?
"Sorry but that is where you need to prove your position since you are going massively against even remainer outlet knowledge."
You can start with this:
Then maybe why don't you list all the tariffs you say apply to foods imported into the UK, remember to include quota levels because a headline tariff which appears high may never kick in because the quota is more than the country can produce.
If you need help on tariffs the government provides a really handy tool.
This is for high quality Navel Oranges, and like most quitlings you will latch onto the 3.2% and the €81.33 per 100kg duty and tariff, read past the default and look at all those 0% deals with all those citrus producing countries. It also varies by time of year as we don't want crap produce coming into the market so its seasonally adjusted.
And if you need a saddle for your donkey post brexit you will be pleased to know we have a huge number of 0% tariff deals thanks to our EU membership.....
"This is the thing i never get with you deluded remainers. Look at Canada's deal with the EU. It is better than anything the EU has offered to us or agreed with May, and funny enough Canada is not a member. They break their rules when it suits them. It's a protectionist racket"
You've not read the Canada deal have you?
May set her red lines, one of which is the ECJ.
Those red lines dictate what you get offered. The EU did a handly single powerpoint slide on how it works, the more red lines the worse the deal on offer.
Its not so much remainers who are deluded, its more the quitlings like you who spout stuff you don't understand
"The food bill should go down (for everyone rich or poor in the UK) by leaving as we dont need to apply the high tariffs of the EU against the world."
Christ on a bike not this rubbish again, we are beneficiaries of 759 trade agreements with the rest of the world that pretty much remove all tariffs on the food we consume.
After we leave we have two options, either apply the TRQ's we have proposed to the WTO pre acceptance or drop to 0% for everyone, neither puts us in a better position or makes food cheaper.
"I always wince when I hear we have a poor hand to play. "
That would be the grim realisation that your beloved Brexit is a monumental gangfuck.
Politics aside we sit in the most sophisticated and powerful trade bloc on the planet which is leading the convergance paths of the other trade blocs to make trade simpler and remove frictions and barriers.
And the UK response because a minority of shouty xenophobes don't like 'forrin' accents and also fancy making a fast buck on a crashing pound is to bin it all and strike out alone like the Crimson Permanent Assurance.
If you want a free trade deal we can join EFTA (the clue is in the FTA bit!) and if we want to remove frictions to trade and enjoy other global deals we can form a customs union. Then its only about trade rules, you can meet the binary referendum and stop a few pointy heads making a killing.
We can set up trade deals that benefit us, and not be told what tariffs/taxes to charge to benefit someone else.
Have you read CETA or EU Japan?
Guess what, before either can do trade deals with the UK they have to be assessed and approved to do so by the EU, thats part of the deal for any deals with near neighbours outside SM/CU/EFTA. Its a reciprocal right as well so before the EU does a deal with the UK it has to consult with and seek approval from existing FTA holders. This is why the whole 'easiest deal' crap is just that, crap
Which one of the 759 FTA's, MRA's and BTD's do you think can be improved for the UK?
I won't hold my breath waiting for your carefully researched answer...........
- We can deport undesirables (hate speech preachers, for example) without the ECJ telling us that we have to keep them because deportation would spoil their family life.
That sounds brilliant, except its total and utter bollocks of the highest order.
Firstly, wrong court, the ECJ doesn't rule on individual human rights cases, thats the ECHR, not a part of the EU and we will still be signatories to that.
Secondly, the UK routinely deports lots of people, or denies entry to them but human rights laws will still apply after Brexit
Thirdly, its ignorance like this which explains why the country is doomed. Weapons grade stupidity isn't an assett!
Unilateral tariff reduction when the UK drops all inbound tariffs to 0% whilst having no workable trade deals on the 30th of March is the brainlesschild of Economists for Brexit.
Outside of any trade deals you cannot selectively drop tariffs for only some countries, its all or nothing under most favoured nation (MFN) rules.
It will have several effects, the first being that UK exports (mainly high value, lower demand luxury items) increase significantly in cost along with all of our farming exports (sensitive area for tariffs!)
End result, you can buy a few things a bit cheaper possibly (depends on the collapse of the £) whilst agriculture and manufacturing in the UK are wiped out as they can't compete with ultra cheap imports and they can't export.
And before all you brexidiots scream Project Fear, the death of UK agriculture and manufacturing is part of the Minford model used by Economists for Brexit! Apparently they can all retrain in 'digital'!
Ah the demonic love child of Farage and Bankski has risen, like a Frankenstien waiting for XP SP2 to be installed...
Your shit show is going well @codejunky now the government has finally got round to leaking the 84 sectors reports on how much of a monumental gangfuck your brexit will be.
And worse, you can't even ride to the rescue as some dubious politics student will get that gig.
Can't hang around, got an entire economy to short (thanks Mogg and Redwood for the tips) disaster capitalism doesn't just capitalise itself you know.......
"You seem pretty alone on that one. Even with the currency drop yes it will due to the protectionist tariffs no longer applying."
Which protectionist tariffs would those be? You mean the ones protecting former commonwealth and French colonies from the US Banana Megacorps which are on a path to 0% and currently stand at 1p per banana?
You really don't have the first clue, like many people you take a headline maximum tariff and then apply at will without understanding any of the underlying trade deals. Take the great coffee tariff myth in which the EU impoverishes Africa, except it doesn't because its completely false.
Food will not get cheaper, its already got more expensive thanks to weak sterling and intermittent supply, adding in WTO tariff schedules isn't going to make it cheaper even if we go with the Minford fantasy and drop all tariff barriers, unless you plan to ignore PSP rules and throw food safety out of the window.
Did that touch a nerve David?
Feel that vien in your neck throbbing?
Check the mirror, notice a purpleish facial hue?
You even managed to wheel out the old anti democratic Leave EU/Cambridge Analytica messaging, they really got you on every level.
You've gone full gammon.
You might be grown up, but you aren't by any stretch a grown up and if we left this shit show to people on your level we will be back in mud huts flinging poo whilst Rees Mogg and Redwood hoover up all the assetts you helped destroy with your faux cries to bring back the empire.
Any decision which gets the kippers frothing and makes the gammon go so purple they look like a strangled bell end has my support.
Farageski is already spitting feathers on twitter complaining that we will be letting in more foreigners.
This is really boiling Nigel's piss, its great!
The Tier 2 system ios a dogs breakfast.
Having run a scheme for an employer its not as simple as importing cheap labour.
The paperwork is onerous, the minimum salary is £30,000 and your job adverts have to pass the relevent labour market tests and approvals before you can sponsor a visa for someone to work for you.
The cost of administering the scheme and passing the home office inspections (which apply to all your employees records, not just the ones with visa's) is significant as well, think of it as 'right to work +++'
We only had 2 or 3 people on visas but the cost increase for the business was about £5,000 per visa per year to meet all the complaince regulations, legal costs etc.
Whilst some companies will abuse the system its actually not that easy to do primarily becuase the home office is so incompetent.
The actual reality, with apparent record levels of employment in the UK and a shortage of skills is that we just binned off 6000 tax payers who have no recourse to public funds and also have to pay an NHS premium along with the knock on effects to the businesses who need the staff just to appease the Gammon faced kippers.
As the government keep harping on about a 'deep and special' relationship with the EU27 and in particular over data sharing for businesses after we lob ourselves off the cliff you would think they would factor that into the legislation they are drafting.
Regaining sovereignty is going to look a bit weak when they have to bin the parts for political processing without consent, or denying rights regarding data relating to immigration decisions or dubious retention/sharing practices when the EU tells them to for an adequacy decision.
As for the planned implementation of Customs Union New Technology (or as its nicknamed 'Farage' ) on the Irish border, the requirement for an adequacy decision is significant.
All law enforcement uses profiling as do customs and excise, border force etc. etc.
Interestingly, if you are white, male, 30 to 50, travelling alone on a ferry or eurotunnel and driving a performance car you fit the profile of a drug smuggler and will be subject to 'enhanced scrutiny' as its termed.
You won't find an Amnesty report about that.
Meanwhile in Cam Anal's offices.....
Nix: We are really in the s*** here, no amount of Ukranian entertainment units are going to get us out of this mess.
Minion: Should we deploy some analytics and advertising gizmo wizadry to get across the message that what we do isnt that bad compared to chucking kittens in a blender and really polish that turd sir?
Nix: No, we need something more powerful than that, something that can only be found in a trailerpark, something born of an unholy union between close relatives and livestock.
Minion: Are you sure sir? Really?
Nix: Yes, call Gumby, he can save the day..............
A lot of the smaller sellers on the sites don't get anywhere near the VAT threshold to even need to register and charge VAT so Hilliers idea of automating it for all would not work.
You need to be doing north of £7,000 on the tat bazaars to need to register in the first place so a lot of the UK businesses not charging VAT don't actually have to in the first place.
"(I am in Germany under German law - but clearly that doesn't matter to remainers)"
Assuming you are British and still hold a British passport then you are able to live, work, study etc freely thanks to the EU you seem to hate so much.
Protecting the rights of everyone in the UK is important, Brexit means you lose those rights along with the rest of us.
So if the UK crashes out with no deal you would be happy to be deported from Germany?
Cue the British exceptionalism in 3,2,1........
Just on this:
" the French use only French vehicles "
I spend quite a bit of time in France in the mountains and I had no idea that the Subaru's driven by the plod in the Alps are French, or the Toyota 4WD's used by the lift companies are French, Or the Piste bashers from Germany etc etc etc.
A significant amount of UK lamb production goes to Europe, we flog boatloads of shellfish, I could go on.
And this gem:
"they are going to continue to export to us and charge us for the joy but stop us participating in any rule making"
This is completely wrong, as a third country we set our own standards and rules on whats acceptable in our sovereign market after Brexit, but here is the issue, unless we are going to RAISE standards above those from the EU27 then the producers in the EU won't face challenges to export to us.
However, the reality is that the divergence wanted by Mogg and Redwood and the rest of the ERG mob is to lower standards so that the emerging market producers they are heavily invested in can take advantage of the plan from Minford and economists 4 leave to lower inward tariffs/quotas to 0%. Effectively making the UK a dumping ground and wiping out manufacturing and agriculture.
The EU rules are irrelevent, the standards they follow will be higher and I doubt even the most ardent eurosceptic is going to tell an EU producer to make crappier stuff for the UK!
And the piece d' resistance:
"we would be better off completely closing our borders to ALL imports and saying stuff it to the rest of the world (just check our trade deficit)"
Yeah, who needs gas, oil, cement, medicines etc. etc. ad infinitum.............
Have to be honest Dave you aren't helping the argument that Brexiteers are the sharpest tools in the shed
"As a country we are relying less and less on EU imports. The amount we import from the EU is falling each year. We import a lot of our fresh fruit from Africa and south America, yet we are not allowed to make trade deals with countries outside the EU."
No wonder you posted this anonymously because its total rubbish.
We have over 700 trade deals with countries outside the EU as a result of being part of that bloc. What trade deals are we currently missing?
Reality is that three trade areas set the global market standards, the US, China and the EU. Once you are outside those you have no power, influence or say and you are dependent on co-operative support at the WTO if something doesn't work for you.
As for this:
"for example, the police should not be driving around in cars imported from Korea when we make cars in this country."
All those foreign owned car makers building stuff from imported parts, once rules of origin become an issue for export you are going to be left with Caterham and Ariel Motors for your Brexit approved plod mobiles, as long as they don't stick the Honda engines in them!
Is 'Deep and Special' in the mix for the full soundbite speech from the Maybot, although she probably used that at some stage.
20 months post referendum and not a plan in sight, not even a sniff of one, its as if they have no idea what they are doing.......
If ever we needed a lesson in the importance of the rule of 5 P's its the current debacle around Brexit.
The primary blocker to a good deal is the red lines that May has decided on.
The trickle down slide the EU did showing what was possible based on each one was very informative.
The fact most quitlings don't know the difference between the court of human rights and the ECJ tells you all you need to know on the basis of those red lines.
A good deal takes movement on both sides, May has set those red lines and defined the scope of the deal she can expect
Is not so much the porn watching, or even the leak of his activities (as he has denied it we start to see a public interest defence if he has lied)
Its the fact he can access sites which often carry malicious payloads. Green has access to a lot of confidential information and the same machine with all the access to the confidential stuff is being used in a seriously risky manner to access porn sites.
You have to wonder how much information has been lifted as a result? The national security aspect of this is far more important than the moral questions on his alleged porn viewing.
When they introduced this it would fall at the first hurdle if challenged under a variety of laws but it gave them a good run of your local civil servants looking at your data to find out if the bloke down the road likes dwarf porn.
The funny part is that Brexit won't change this, even if the headbangers like Rees Mogg and Redwood demand it as it would prevent an adequacy decision under GDPR meaning a whole host of other data processing, storage and transfer issues for the UK.
So with Brexit we will lose our seat on the A29WP and any influence on how data protection law in our largest neighbouring market moves forward and we will have to comply fully to allow for trade to occur.
Either that or we join Kim Jong Un and become as ronery as the Norks.......
"Come Brexit we shall need to produce more food inland anyway
Why? We can just buy it from developing nations currently shat upon by the EU's "circled wagons" approach to free trade that puts significant duties on those agricultural imports to benefit (mainly) French farmers."
We already do and much of it is duty or tariff free under the 'anything but arms' scheme.
As for trading bloc protection its always made me laugh that so many brexit advocates in politics are in the pay of US sugar producer Tate & Lyle and seem to think the destruction of British Sugar and UK Beet farmers is a good thing to benefit a US company and Caribean farmers!
Then we get onto how you transport your veg from far away lands to ensure its still edible and the cost of the food miles involved.
The Minford fantasy of free trade and zero import tariffs for all will destroy UK manufacturing and farming and leave us dependent on foreign powers for our food and other criticial supplies. Not good from a jobs perspective, or food security or anything really.
Will be no shortage of DC space in the UK in the coming years as anyone with half a brain has already started to move data relating to EU subjects into the mainland.
What many people miss is that simply storing it outside the UK isn't enough, without an adequacy decision it won't be lawful for someone sitting in the UK to 'process' EU citizens data so the jobs will also move.
From a risk perspective as current ICO rules allow for data transfers its easier to stick UK data subjects data in the EU and process it there than keep it here.
One bonus will be that it makes it a lot harder for Kim Jong Rudd and the rest of the Nork wannabees to hoover up that info.
Just how is she even being considered for a role which doesn't require the use of the phrase 'do you want fries with that?' is beyond me.
It wasn't just one breach, she was at the helm for at least three talk talk data breaches.
How this has even got to a 'pre appointment' stage is another question, what pre requisites does she meet for the shortlisting process for a role overseeing the NHS?
Well as the UK screws itself over Brexit most companies are looking at an EU location for data in case the UK doesnt have adequacy arranged (or flights, or food) come March 2019.
Want a data and service operation with no language barrier then Ireland is your go to place if you are a UK business wanting to be GDPR compliant (banks, Insurance, etc etc)
"any DC will be using fossil fuel power all through the winter nights, AND even when running on renewable electricity, the grid will be reliant upon fossil fuel back up, as will be the DC for its on site power backup."
Suggest you look at Lulea in Sweden and http://thenodepole.com/ natural cooling and lots of hydro power.
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