* Posts by h4rm0ny

4617 posts • joined 26 Jul 2008

Windows 8: Download it, then speak YOUR brains


Re: @h4rm0ny

"I think you're missing my point a little."

Well the main point I was addressing was that you wrote a post about how you thought MS were trying to stop people from blocking ads, so I explained in detail why it was very much about something else (security).

Regarding the below however:

"This routine changes (protected) system files. A routine running with system credentials specifically aimed at maintaining the hosts file. That's a huge risk; because if that routine gets compromised (and IMO that's only a matter of time) how long before malware will start changing hosts so that "www.microsoft.com" points to some malware website, or worse? Without the users realizing this of course. Also the fact that it chooses to bypass settings such as setting the file up with r/o."

Okay - software changes system files all the time. Even "protected" ones. Your OS wouldn't be much good if it couldn't or didn't do that. This actually happens all the time. It's not even new to edit the hosts file. Anti-spyware and anti-virus software already does this. And specifically as I explained in my post, malware already does this. If you the user have the capacity to edit the hosts file, then potentially malware can and real world examples of such malware exist in the wild. If you believe that it is new for software to edit the hosts file, then I'm afraid I have to tell you that this is not new to Windows 8. You already have this. It's just that you've only noticed it now because MS have added new security features that have made you aware of it. Yes, these features can be inconvenient to people who edit the hosts file so that makes them either good or bad according to your needs, but they do make the OS more secure.

"Although current malware (Win7 / Vista) could attack the hosts file as well, there is no guarantee that they can succeed. Either due to privileges or the fact that the file can be protected."

This is not theoretical. It happens. Any of the Qhosts family of viruses (e.g. Win32/Qhosts.L will do so. As pointed out, if you the user can edit the file from within the OS, there is always a possibility that Malware could.

"And sure; Win defender can be turned off, but how many end users would do that? Heck; how many would realize the potential risk this gets them?"

How many users would turn of Windows Defender? As many or more as are likely to edit their hosts file.

Maybe you don't like that MS have enabled Windows Defender by default - that's fine, maybe it's not suited to your needs. But you can turn it off *very* easily and the vast majority of users benefit from it being on by default. If you turn it off, then it's no different to having not installed it in the first place, just as you can not install it on Windows 7 if you wish.

Will you accept that you were wrong to make a big post about how MS are trying to stop you from blocking ads and that this actually makes sense?


Re: Win8 no longer honours hosts file?

Good or bad, there's no conspiracy here. It's part of Windows Defender which is on by default on Windows 8. Some malware runs a local webservice and redirects traffic to certain sites (e.g. facebook.com) to itself. If you add an entry to the hosts file that, e.g. redirects facebook.com to localhost, then Windows Defender will spot it and remove the redirect as it thinks it is a phishing attempt.

Very, very few of Windows 8 users will want to put in redirects for sites via the hosts file, but if you want to do this, you can disable Windows Defender and it will leave your hosts file alone. You will want to install your own anti-virus rather than the free one in that case.

It might be that if people kick up a fuss about this, MS will change Defender to not interfere, but then that makes things less secure because Malware could potentially re-direct traffic through altering the hosts file. (If you have permission to edit the file, and there exists the sort of user who will click agree to any downloaded program, then malware can edit the file).

That's why it's there. Your suggestion that it is so that they can force people to see "those adds" has jumped the gun. As has that gigantic "FAIL" icon. I begin to wonder how much you are actually *wanting* to find flaws in Winodws 8 by this point.


Re: The irony is

"BIG DUMB GUY 555, is that you?"

I think it is - smells of troll. In either case, the same sort of inflammatory, divisive statements. I wonder if El Reg can check the IP addresses or something?


Re: Reply (Part Two)

"Profile management - Enter Windows 7 professional. Its not possible on the home editions, but the pro has no problems with this"

Again, you're not actually familiar with the Win8 functionality. (I am currently in Win7 Pro as I type, incidentally). The Win7 controls let you set some basic time limits, control games by rating or title and allow or block specific profiles.

In Windows8, you can monitor the complete activity of the user, select from convenient drop-down lists for web-site categories, communication types allowed (e.g. social networking, chatrooms), stats reports on how the child used the computer. Basically everything you could possibly want to make your kid hate you.

"Software based on authentication keys - Idem on Windows 7. Takes external tools to setup though but its doable. Especially considering that Win7 already provides native support for stuff such as RFID security cards."

Again, you're comparing a car from the 1970's with a modern one and saying you can do the same things, ignoring that it is so much easier and more elegant in the newer ones. If you're corporate, you build the software into the users profile on your network and set the permissions. They bring in their laptop and plug it in - program installed. They disconnect and go home - the program was never there (figuratively speaking).

"Better graphics - Its still the drivers doing all the work."

And the OS determining what work they do. This comment more than any of the others, suggests to me you don't actually know much about this area. For HTML5 and SVG rendering (which forms a core part of the UI in Win8), it can render pages up to 400% faster than WIn7. Check out this video and note how much faster and more smoothly it scrolls though a web-page. Also they've worked on JPG and PNG rendering. Notice how in the video, Win8 goes through a lot faster.


None of this is directly attributable to the graphics drivers. It's OS level stuff.

"Better performance - So far I'm not a believer. Also see an earlier point about performance aspects in Win7."

Well pretty much every bit of testing I've seen from the Benchers says otherwise.

I'm out of time now. So let me just say that I think you asked a loaded question in the first place by saying 'apart from the UI, what actually is there?' I've answered that question and shown there's actually a lot in there. And there are probably lots of other things I hadn't thought of. I've just remembered that hand-writing recognition is supposed to be improved (which is great for the upcoming stylus machines) for example. I'm sure there's more. But the new UI has a huge amount of good stuff both in it, and in assisting developers in getting the most out of it. You can use HTML5 and Javascript for your program interfaces, there are APIs to handle menuing and graphics at different screen sizes and resolutions manually. It's more secure (particularly for example the new Web applications model in Office over the old chunks of VBA).

Okay. I'm done. How open-minded are you feelling or did you read all the above with a mental check list of how you could counter any points I made. ;)


Reply (Part Two)

"Cloud services - What does "integrates neatly" exactly mean? If I want to I can easily setup my Win7 Explorer so that it can directly access stuff as SkyDrive, S3 buckets and dropbox if need be (mostly using Webdav btw). Within my Office environment I already have the option to directly store documents on SkyDrive"

Hard to put my finger on it. I guess whilst what you list as things you "can" do, they're all things that are streamlined and really, really easy for the casual user to use in Win8. E.g. when I click Save, it has panels for whether I want to save locally, online and very visible and easy control over who I do and don't want to share things with, all from within the program and OS. It's just... slick, really. All feels very natural and under your control. All I can suggest is that you try it. For corporate use, it's *much* easier. You can configure the cloud and its permissions very easily for any systems you deploy. But that's getting into Server 2012 so I'll stop there.

"Performance management tool - Does it really?"

Yes. Really. I don't know what you're calling bells and whistles, probably things like the colour coding on processes so you can see their resource levels at a glance and the way you can pull up online descriptions of a process so you can identify what it is, but those things are useful even if they're only time savers. But there are also things that aren't just time savers, like grouping the processes by application, by type; or handling 64 logical processors and the heat map. Even a real curmudgeon has to concede this is cool.

And yes, you mention the Assessment and Deployment tool. Maybe it does incorporate stuff from elsewhere, but I'm fine with that. It's a powerful performance tool that is now mainstream and has an API so people can build useful tools on top of it. So what if it's an iterative improvement rather than something completely new - most things are built on something else. This comment is my answer to how you can do some of this already in Powershell. Sure, and I'm comfortable on Powershell because I grew up on Bash. But you use this to dismiss things as just "making it easier to access" (your words), but that's a really good thing in itself for everyone who isn't you or me.

"File history tool - Uhm, that has been around since Vista. Check properties, then "Previous versions" tab. Better yet: the Win8 "feature" requires an external drive or network share to work (its disabled by default) whereas this feature in Vista & Win7 is on by default and doesn't require anything extra. Talk about taking a step back in user friendlyness!"

No, trust me. I have used the new one, and I get the strong impression from the number of misunderstandings that you are primarily looking up information on this second hand. It is easier in Win8, no doubt about it. Also doesn't impact other running processes whilst it's active either like previous versions. I'm not sure if you have to use it with an remote or external volume. I think that's just the (rightly) recommended approach. I can't check as I'm not on the Win8 one at the moment. At any rate, I don't personally know anyone who ever used the Vista history functionality. But with the Win8 one which is much more user-friendly, they will.


Reply (Part One)

"Thanks for your extensive response, appreciate the time you took."

No problem. I am always happy to debate with someone who is open to it. You've gone through my list and identified why a number of the advantages are not of interest to you. That's fine. I listed some of the things I could think of from the top of my head because even though you may not need something, it's useful to many others and makes the point that Windows 8 is far from just a new UI which is kind of where you were coming from. That said, I'm rather amazed you got from the long list I wrote down to

"So summing up the main enhancements which I can see are better IPv6 support, easier option to check for hidden files in the Explorer and the inclusion of security essentials."

In all honesty, it makes me want to ask if you can honestly say with your hand on your heart that you weren't trying to dismiss things from my list. No offence meant. But anyway, to answer your own points...

"Faster booting - This is a bit of a hack because in fact the OS uses a section of the disk where it hibernates the OS then simply re-activates that part. Quite frankly; I can do the exact same thing on Windows 7 is I tell it not to shut down but to hibernate"

You've not quite got how it works - it is different to hibernation on Windows 7. In Windows 8, they have separated out the hibernation of the kernel from the application space. My main workstation has 12GB of RAM and I run a lot of programs sometimes. Even if I close my applications down in preparation, it still takes a while to hibernate my machine. Shutting down and re-starting Win8 is not the same as Win7 hibernation. It takes the kernel and some essential parts, and hibernates that. The result is that it shuts down and restarts like lightning. The point is that on Win7, hibernating doesn't save me any time over just shutting the machine down. Win8 is simply massively faster here and Win7 hibernation doesn't compete.

"The 'runs faster' is also disputable considering how much options and eye candy they stripped from parts such as the desktop. If I minimize the visual effects (turn off aero, animations, translucency) I can get my Win7 to run a whole lot faster as well."

Again, you're arguing that you can by doing certain things *make* Win7 as fast as Win8 is by default. It's still a big advantage for many. Though your premise isn't quite right. Win8 also performs faster at non-UI tasks, but I'll address that later otherwise I'm repeating myself.

"chkdsk repairs on a soft-raid volume while its mounted - I can do that with Win7 as well. Unless of course its the system volume, but quite frankly I don't see being able to perform repairs on a mounted and used system volume as an enhancement. I consider this a major risk factor instead"

Firstly, I didn't say carrying them out on a "soft-raid". I just said a mounted volume. That can be any mounted volume and yes - including a System volume. You're comparing it to Re-syncing etc. in Win7. That's not what I'm talking about per se. I'm saying that when you have a disk fault (you must have seen those blue screens where it says "Checking Disk 43% complete" after a power-failure or disk failure). These can typically complete in under two seconds now. That's even faster than my Debian system. And yes - it is useful to be able repair a system disk whilst running, depending on what services your machine is running.

"Multi monitor - Can't comment there since I only use one. What I can say is that it could be expected considering that they've limited the features severely in other areas. Think about running two "TIFKAM" (The Interface Formerly Known As Metro) side by side. Can't be done on lower resolutions, even if those are still pretty common for Office use."

I'm really confused as to what you are referring to here with "can't be done on lower resolutions", so you're going to have to clarify. I think before that you're saying that you think Multi-monitor support is better because of lighter load due to the lighter UI. I suppose that could be a factor if you have a very low-power machine, but it's really nothing to do with it. I'm talking about actual changes, not performance. E.g. when I have three 24" monitors set up, it takes a long time to move the mouse over to the "Start" button in Windows 7. In Win8, I can easily access it by the mouse (as well as the program tabs) on any monitor. Ditto for the settings menu (which you don't have in Win7 as such). I can easily configure different backgrounds for the monitors, it handles different resolutions of different monitors simultaneously whereas in Win7 that can be problematic. It's all round significantly improved. You say you only have one monitor, fine - not a plus for you, but many of us are used to using multiple monitors these days - particularly developers who want to use VMs for development or testing, but also graphics professionals, people who want communications in one window (mail, VoIP) and work in the other.



Re: Win8 for those that bothered to learn about it...

"So you're saying "Buy it, you might like it". And what, sell it at a loss when you don't? Throw it in the river? Shove it up someone's arse?"

There is a free preview available at the moment. You can use this without any risk to your finances or the backsides or those who know you.


Re: More brokenware

"You really do need a touchscreen to use this mess. It's truly horrible - touchscreen or keyboard / mouse. It's more than slightly unstable, too. It's slow, bloated brokenware."

This is basically crap. First off, I've used Win8 for over a month as my primary OS without any touch interface at all, just keyboard and trackball. Give me a few examples of what you think I can't do without a touch-screen that I'd be able to do on Win7 without one.

More than slightly unstable? I haven't had a single crash. Not saying it can't happen, but my experience and the experience of others that I'm aware of is that it's very stable indeed.

"It's slow, bloated brokenware"

And yet all the performance metrics show that it actually runs faster than Win7. Maybe you think that is "slow, bloated brokenware", but I don't think most people do and this is demonstrably quicker than that.


Re: "click the corner, type the name of the program I want and up it pops"

"Except the person who started this thread in the first place?.."

Okay. So someone was saying that this was something they liked about Win8. Didn't notice that. But I was only posting to correct someone who thought that you couldn't use the Windows key in Win8 as you could in Win7, which you can. The whole thing about it not being a selling point was a point that someone else raised.


Re: The irony is

And there's no reason Linux shouldn't copy it. Linux has always taken good features from other OSes and incorporated them, along with adding its own good stuff. Standing on the shoulders of giants, etc. All these OSes influence and drive each other to improve. What will be really funny is when Apple copy things from it. There's a certain core of Apple users that will really struggle with that.


Re: No need to wait.

"My main gripe with Win8 is: take away the new "Windows 8 user interface" which was formerly known as Metro and what do you have left ?"

It boots faster. Also runs faster. They've refined the built-in software RAID and you can actually do chkdisk drive repairs on a volume whilst it's mounted. It's better for multi-monitor (handles different sized monitors more comfortably, better thought out in how you can manage them - e.g. I no longer have to move my mouse pointer all the way across two or more 24" monitors to get to the "Start" button. It neatly integrates with Cloud services (and that's not Skydrive in my case, I'm setting up a private cloud). It's got a superb performance management tool. It's got a built in File History tool to go back in time on files. There's streamlined profile management with far greater granularity over what is and isn't allowed, e.g. if you want to set up accounts for your children (site whitellsting, usage limits, monitoring, etc.). For businesses, you can install software based around an authentication key so that when they are connected to your VPN or on site, the software is "installed" and when not, it is invisible. In fact, the BYOD work they've put into it is really nice all round. Better default IPv6 handling. They've re-written a lot of the graphics handling so you get better performance and on laptops, it uses less power. They've redone various parts such as the File Manager (no more faffing around when you want to show Hidden files - you just flip them). The Task Manager is now something far more impressive. The Security Essentials stuff is now no longer a separate thing you have to go and get but something built in. Native SVG handling...

Not sure what you're interested in. But basically there's a lot of refinement and new things in Win8 and it's going to be the platform going forward. The new UI is obviously the most visible part, but it's far from the only part. And you did ask.


Re: You're not alone!

"Maybe I'm in the minority, but I find the notion of having to type an app's name problematic. Being the geeky type, I have dozens and dozens of apps installed on my PC. Some of these I use daily, and typing the name isn't a problem"

I strongly suggest you try it yourself rather than trying to work out how it functions from other people's comments. You don't have to type the name of a program. You can just click on it with the mouse. It's just that you *can* type the name if you want. Just as you could in WIndows 7. It's my normal way of launching something in Linux too and has been long before Unity (which I don't use). I've been using Alt+F2 in Linux for years. Mice are for moving windows around, imo. ;)


Re: "click the corner, type the name of the program I want and up it pops"

"Erm, yes, that's the point. The OP sold it as "additional functionality" of a start menu, when it's existed since Vista. It's not new, and it's not a benefit of Metro."

It's the part where they go on to say that they can do this "without having to clicking" (sic). They were responding to (checks subject of discussion) someone who said they could click in the corner and type what they wanted by saying they didn't have to click in Windows 7. Kind of strongly implies that they think in Windows 8, you do. You're reaching here.

Besides, it would be a complete strawman to pick on some random feature that is the same in both OSes and loudly complain that it's not an advantage when to the best of my knowledge no-one has been billing that feature being a selling point.


Re: "click the corner, type the name of the program I want and up it pops"

Got to love this place. Someone complains that you can't click the Windows key and type the program that you want, they get votes up. I post a single line in reply pointing out that you can do this on Win8 exactly the same as on Win7 and in come the down votes. Bias > Truth, apparently with some people, apparently.


Re: "click the corner, type the name of the program I want and up it pops"

"Windows 7 already does this? Without having to clicking anything (Windows button -> type)"

That works exactly the same on Win8 as well.


You don't need a touch-device for Win8 at all. You can do pretty much everything with the same amount of clicks / mouse movements / keyboard shortcuts as you can in Win7. I've found very few cases where it takes more.


Re: trying it now

If you can, dual boot it. I tried one of the earlier ones in a VM (Virtualbox) and found the VM software didn't handle full-screen / edges of the window very well. Using it normally, it's been fine. Better than fine, in fact. I use it as my preferred OS over Win7 at the moment. It's been plenty stable enough so far and everything I installed on Win7 has installed fine on Win8 that I've tried so far.

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Disney sitcom says open source is insecure


Re: freetards?

There's no re-purposing. "Freetard" has always been about people who want something for nothing, e.g. those pirating music, movies or software. That's where it comes from. Nothing to do with Free (Libre) Software. Free Software is almost the opposite of Freetardism in that Free Software is about actively producing and sharing what you've done to others without asking for anything in return, whereas being a Freetard means taking without giving back.


Re: Well

"You say that, but the flight-simulator style file browser was genuine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn"

True. That interface could practically have been written for action movies. But I find the suggestion that any hacker faced with a UNIX system rather than a pre-Windows 95 OS as their target system would be relieved... *amusing*. ;)


Re: Well

None of this compares to the Great Computer Programmer Incapacitation of '93, when thousands of IT professionals were hospitalized by the sheer dumbness of Jurassic Park's "It's a UNIX system. I know this!"

That said, I don't know which is more offensive to me - the silly dig at Open Source or the idea that the computer programmer kid should be wearing a knitted tank top and big glasses.

Hard-up fondlers rejoice: Tablet PC prices plummet


Let the $199 Surface RT rumour die.

Seriously, it was an unsubstantiated rumour from someone who claimed to know someone who had claimed to be at an internal presentation by MS. There's no way it's going to be $199 unless that's some sort of special deal for MS employees or when bought with Visual Studio Premier or something. Even on the original site the rumour came from, it is filled with posts saying there's zero chance of this. But when something is appealing enough to people, some will believe it without any evidence needed at all.

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Re: It has no apps

"And Office on a tablet is such a killer app because?"

You may notice that the Surface has a keyboard attached to it.


Re: Original XBox Anyone?

"Personally I would think $299 is a more realistic price. If it's $400+ then it's dead in the water and guaranteed a place in every "Failed Tech" article for years to come."

It's more feature capable than an iPad and they sell for that amount of money, so I'm expecting it to come out for around that. I find it hard to believe that anyone here is taking this rumour seriously. If there's anything to it at all, then the price is as part of some package deal of some sort. More likely, this is either just random rumour that has spread amongst the gullible or a malicious marketing trick by an MS rival trying to raise expectations so they can be brought down.

Seriously, there is no way at all that something feature comparable with the iPad is being sold for $199. At all.


Re: It has no apps

"The ARM version can't run "normal" Windows apps and there are no ARM apps yet. At all."

I don't think "At all" means what you think it means. It ships a version of something you might have heard of called MS Office.

Also a browser.

Email client.

Integrated apps for Social Networking

Video playing

Music listening

That's off the top of my head. And then there are other things like a finance app, news apps, travel apps... these were already done in the Windows 8 release preview and as they are pure Metro apps then they work on an RT PC.

And I don't doubt that there will be a lot more coming.


Re: Original XBox Anyone?

I doubt anyone will wait based on this rumour, because no-one with any sense will believe it. This price? Not a chance. Maaaayyybeeeee as part of a package - get it for this price when you buy Visual Studio Premium or something. But on its own, this price? No.


Re: "internal event"

There's not a chance it will be released for that price. I'd only believe it if I actually saw it and even then I'd double-check. Maayyybeee to MS employees, but to the public, not a chance.

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Re: There are apps on the Windows phone?

What exactly is it that you need that is missing?

Office 2013 to eat own file-format dog food


Re: Open PDF as a Word file

I kind of agree, but depending on how the PDF was created, the process might be nice, or it could be a doorway into nightmare. I have seen a PDF before and after someone who knew what they were doing re-did it. It looked the same both times, but one was over 40MB and rendered like a dog, and the other was 16 MB and I could actually scroll in it. (from memory, but I think those file sizes are right because it was my first experience with how badly a PDF can be constructed).

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Re: A judge or jury should decide...

"I think Stratfor should sue CloudFlare, and I don't even like Stratfor!"

That's kind of funny because I am (genuinely) a subscriber to Stratfor and don't think they should sue Cloudflare. Unless Cloudflare are doing something illegal or immoral (and I don't see a good case for either), then there is no reason to sue. As a subscriber to Stratfor, my issue is with the people who broke open and distributed my subscriber email address (along with many others) and meant I had to change my credit card details. I don't have an issue with the role that Wikileaks is trying to play in bringing to light information that the government would like to supress.

(I have an issue with some particulars of Wikileaks but not the general principle - it's too important to society).

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Re: Some Suggestions for Saudis..

It becomes racism the moment you say another Arab who has nothing to do with them is culpable because of that shared race. Just as there have been some pretty horrendous things done by "Youth Leagues" of other races. Terms liek "towelheads" such as you use have no merit. If you truly want to get rid of such groups as you refer to in Uganda, then you would be better seeking the support of Arabs against them, than casting wide-ranging remarks that encompass people who would agree with you if you didn't treat them as the same as the people you despise.

When you are specific in your criticism, you may find support. When you target a whole race, you promote an Us and Them feeling which is counter-productive.


Re: "Many societies ... consider homosexuality to be contrary to their culture [or] morality"

I doubt that Jedit meant that. Personally I'm fine with telling Saudi Arabia oppression of women is wrong whether they keep their noses out of our business or not. There's a point where minding your own business becomes looking the other way.

Can YOU crack the Gauss uber-virus encryption?


Re: That Is Only True, If

"About the best chance possible right now is a Gauss@Home Project in which people donate processing power to a distributed brute-force attempt."

Given the possible state involvement of this thing, and that breaking open the package might actually yield a clue to that, there could actually be a lot of interest from people in participating in such a project. How easy would it be to set up the software and system to try and brute-force this?


Re: Textbook clueless agent

Presumably the encrypted parts must be unencrypted at some point to be of use. This is a genuine question. How possible is it to monitor this thing and see what they are when they are opened up? Presumably the keys to the package are stored elsewhere. Is it possible to run this thing in a VM under a variety of different circumstances that might trigger it to go get the keys and do whatever it is it's supposed to do, and see what the RAM contains at that point or else grab the keys as they are retrieved?

I wont be the first person who has ever thought of that so what stops it working?

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Re: Ummm

Windows 8 looks very very different to both OSX and iOS, im;, the Surfaces have this different software on them as well as being a hybrid devices rather than a pure tablets. And as to the App store, I don't believe the story actually listed this as something they'd agreed not to compete on at all, you just added that in.

That said, this sort of non-compete stuff is bad for all of us both because we benefit from real competition and because it creates a barrier to entry for new companies.

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

The "I want a Google" crowd are probably better off with a more locked down system that has their email, browser, Office setup for them, along with the usual Facebook integration and whathaveyou. These will do what 90% of that demographic want, I expect. Those of us who need more will be informed enough to know the difference between a machine running full Windows 8 and a "RT PC" as these are being called.


Re: Er, that gesture graphic... unknown object

"much to the puzzlement of many males."

Now that I belive. *sigh*


Re: @Nate

Windows 8 comes with anti-virus built in. No need for Norton or McAfee (*shudder*) who sneak onto practically any new system you buy. Last time I removed McAfee for someone, I actually had to download a special program buried in the depths of their website to uninstall it, as the regular Windows uninstall process wouldn't work.


Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

"The problem is they've forgotten the key gesture that many people will give Win RT, namely the one finger salute (or possibly the two finger one, if you're being historic)."

I think you'll need the Kinnect for that.


Re: Slavish Copy

"Even the Surface announcement press conference shamelessly copied Apple to the tiniest detail."

People have been standing on stages holding products up for the press since before Apple. Just so you know.


Re: Slavish Copy

"They've slavishly copied the iPad."

Because it has rounded corners? ;)

Not sure if you're joking - probably are. But just in case, exactly what format would you expect a touch-screen interface that you want to be easily held in the hand to be? Normal screen-sized? Obvious. Thin and light? Obvious.

So is a thin, rectangular device supposed to be some strikingly unexpected design revolution that anyone who uses it must be "slavishly copying" Apple from? Does anyeone expect Asus to start manufacturing triangular devices now? I hope you're not a jury member on the Apple v. Samsung trial! ;)


Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

Those nubs have always been called clitorises. It's the common name for them in the UK in my experience.


Re: Looks like the TF Infinity

"It does, and it is... But can I install RT on my current infinity???"

Looks highly unlikely. From their blog post:

"Windows RT software will not be sold or distributed independent of a new Windows RT PC, just as you would expect from a consumer electronics device that relies on unique and integrated pairings of hardware and software."

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Re: Could well be some run-of-the-mill Obamites

Have a downvote for emphasizing the irrelevant factor of Obama's race.

YouTube escapes Google's piracy site smackdown


Re: Google favours its own services shock story.....

If Google base the algorithm around the proportion of content, then YouTube will be less affected, and it will be legitimate to do so. A site that hosts a million videos and gets a thousand take down requests - e.g. 99.9% legitimate content is compared to a smaller site that hosts a thousand videos and gets five hundred take down requests - i.e. only 50% legitimate content. If the algorithm were just to compare the number of take down requests, then the former site which is overwhelmingly legitimate would get penalised by the site that is plainly either aimed at pirated content or doesn't care.

Naturally the algorithm should be based around take-down requests as a proportion of the content. In which case, it may well be the case that YouTube wont be as penalised.

Google may face grilling by MPs over 'immoral' tax avoidance


Re: If it's legal

I would. And in principle I do. I could save money by avoiding paying some of the tax I do in the UK (note, that's avoid by legal means, not evade by under reporting etc.) It's not the £1million you use in your example, but I voluntarily pay tax that I could get out of. The reason being that whilst there are legal ways out of it, I don't see it as ethical to get out of the tax.

Not everyone thinks like you do whether you believe it or not.

Greens wage war on clean low-carbon renewable energy


Re: Blue

"Here's a frackin' good idea. Instead of using water+additives to frack wells, why not use an alkane gel? Comes back up as gas, and contamination of water is impossible."

It's interesting, but I would guess the logic is as follows: the people who do the frakking believe that water+additives is safe and wont contaminate water tables, therefore there is no advantage to using the gel. Secondly, whatever they do, the loudest parts of the environmental movement will still condemn them and shout that it's unsafe. Thus more cost for no benefit, unless groups like Friends of the Earth were willing to take a more nuanced view of things, which in my experience they are not.


Re: Intelligent?

"Remember that half the population falls on the left side of the bell-curve to begin with"

But those on the right-side of the bell-curve have more influence.

Kidney-for-iPad fanboi sues after illness strikes


Re: *blink*

"Say what? Doesn't believe? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhkaaaaayyy....* Have to say I smell something that typically comes from bulls in smelly brown loads."

Funny. I smell a post by someone from half way around the world who probably doesn't speak the language of the people involved (and is thus cut off from any primary source) and is confident in pronouncing that they know more about this than the child's mother.

The kid is seventeen. For all I know, he's slighly mentally disadvantaged, he was heavily lied to by people who were or he was told were physicians, he was pressured into it by someone who wanted to get out of gambling debts or any number of other possible explanations. But no - James O'Brien knows all!

Microsoft: It was never 'Metro,' it was always 'Modern UI'


Re: About as modern as an old Ford Poplar

Your entire post is bizarre to me as the Desktop with all its multi-windowing and capability is still there. You can flip between that and Metro with a single keypress. I do it all the time. And I can use a mouse with it just as I always have (though I actually have a trackball - makes no difference). Have you actually used Win8 for any length of time?

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