* Posts by h4rm0ny

4617 posts • joined 26 Jul 2008

I need speed - any other options?


I need speed - any other options?

I'm moving house and one of the places on the potential list looks okay. Problem? It's currently ADSL and the online guesstimate tools say "You can get up to 6Mb/s" and the 'can I get fibre?' online tools all say: "not currently". That's not good enough for me. I need speed for both work and non-work.

The online rollout map for BT Infinity says: "Under Evaluation" for the local exchange.

Am I missing any options? Even expensive ones? Can you get dedicated lines laid? Are there more expensive business packages that will offer fibre-like speeds even if the local cabinet others are using wont offer it?

And what normally happens with "Under Evaluation". Do they eventually turn into "Coming Soon" or do they often become "No plans".

Is there ANY way around this, or do I have to cross the house from my list?

Torvalds shoots down call to yank 'backdoored' Intel RdRand in Linux crypto


Re: I think Torvalds is losing it

"But that's their industry, they electrocute each other for fun..."

Which conversely a lot of office workers or programmers would try to do them for assault for. :D Different people have different ways of communicating. I kind of resent this insufferable choking culture of tissue paper softness that is being forced down from above. I'd far rather Linus's transparent position than a lot of the nicey-nicey double-dealing I've had to put up with from others.


Re: I think Torvalds is losing it

"Does Torvals actually speak to people like this face-to-face or is it only behind the safety of a keyboard"

I've seen him present (on GIT and the failings of the CVS / Subversion model). He began the presentation by saying "You can disagree with me if you want, but if you do then you're stupid and you're ugly". And you know what? It got a good laugh from the crowd. He's not only very smart, he's also quite funny. I think he may be wrong on this, but I have no problem with the way he communicates.

Torvalds suggests poison and sabotage for ARM SoC designers


Re: Linus might be related to Eadon?

"The only thing Linus is good at is preaching to the choir"

Well that and being a Hell of an engineer and hard worker.

I used to argue with Eadon all the time - a complete PITA who did more damage to the image of Open Source than any detractor of Open Source usually managed. Linus? I have nothing but respect for. Don't confuse an opinionated bigot with a very talented person who has a sense of humour and speaks his mind.

Microsoft to unveil new Surface slabs at September 23 event


"The RT version of Office is far from what I would consider a full version. Why even the most remotely complex macros aren't supported is beyond me"

It has the new Office Web Plugin system instead of VB macros. That's a good thing for security and impacts most users on their non-Work Provided machines not at all. That's the one difference in functionality with Office on RT. You can't believe that makes it "far from a full version".

Microsoft buys Nokia's mobile business


"Elop killed any potential for long term independant growth. Completely gutted R&D"

Nokia had barely any money before the cash injection by MS. They had to sell of their own head quarters! And you think Elop is responsible for shutting down some thriving R&D division? Facts are against you.

And an Appeal to Authority argument has never been as flawed as just now, when you use opinions of posters on these forums as your authority! You may have noticed just the teensiest bit of bias around these parts.

Then again, you may not. ;)



"There's nothing left of Nokia after what they have bought however. Stripped assets, throw the remains on the tip. They've still got what they wanted."

Stop talking about what you know nothing about. Nokia has a market cap of 19bn and MS have just bought a division of Nokia for 5bn. Unless you think that MS some how pulled off the sale of the century or that the remaining 14bn in market value is just stupendously inflated stock (Nokia - inflated, yeah right!), then you're of necessity wrong. Nokia have telecoms networks, routing equipment, services, store chains (just not in the USA) and has a number of subsidiaries.

You do not know what you're talking about, so stop, read, instead of chasing recommends on websites.


Re: "and 32,0000 Nokia employees will become Redmondians."

"Money or not, in a take over you don't keep employees who are literally redundant just because you feel it's morally right to keep them employed twiddling their thumbs. I can't see those 32,000 being that important to operations. All that's left of Nokia now anyway is hardware manufacture and that can be outsourced to China."

Firstly, the 32,000 figure is made-up. It's just what someone reeled off to make their point. Secondly, I don't think you know at all how this has broken down. "All that is left is the hardware manufacture"? That's a big part of what MS have bought - their smartphones division. The software was already written by MS with a small number of very busy people doing some low-level firmware and another bunch writing apps. Neither are being made redundant or should be.

Now if Nokia's division was purchased by Google, they'd have a problem because Google is actually a competitor in the fields Nokia operates in. But MS are not. You're confusing things with takeovers where a company buys out a competitor or a corporate raider who wants to break a company up to sell off the valuable bits. MS are buying the smartphone division because they don't have their own and they want one. Very different.


Re: HERE maps.

"Does that mean we'll get HERE maps and associated services on non-Windows Phone platforms?"

Potentially. But keep in mind that Google compete with that with their own maps so they'll do everything they can to keep it off Android. And as we've seen, they can play quite dirty when they want.

Still, it's quite possible that Nokia will release a HERE maps app for Android. If only for the lulz in seeing Google contorting to stop them. ;)

Apple have invested quite a bit in their own mapping system, but there's no reason they can't licence some of the HERE data / technology. It's clearly better than their own and one of their main motivations was not to be dependent on their chief competitor (Google) for a vital service. Nokia will no longer be a competitor (or far, far, far less so), so I could see that happening. Not saying it would, saying it could.

And then there's Tizen. I see Samsung making a big push with Tizen in the next few years. It would make excellent sense for them to licence HERE maps.

So in summary: we don't know, but there are reasons why we might see Nokia HERE services on other phones. It's certainly in Nokia's interest, has little downside and MS don't really care that much and can't stop them if they did.


"So, how much would this have cost M$ before Elop ran them into the ground?"

Nokia were in dire straits before their initial partnership with MS. You think they just accepted MS's massive cash injection and conditions for the lulz? Nokia have actually recovered somewhat under Elop with growing phone sales. Your timelines are all out of whack.


Re: Commitment. NOT.

"There, fixed it for you. They're just waiting for the price to come down a bit more"

Stupid comment and an attempt to shift ground. MS haven't bought the patents - a very important difference that you cannot recover from by attempting to convince that they're just waiting for the price to come down. Why would Nokia sell them for less or only to MS. If you think MS are holding out for a reduced price then they've a funny way of doing that by giving Nokia a billion or so for use of them right now and several billion overall.

Here's a car analogy - you have a car that I want. I'd like to induce you to sell it. I attempt to convince you to offload it by (a) giving you lots of money so you have less need to sell it and (b) paying you lots and lots of money to be allowed to use it even though you still own it.

Stupid argument made because the initial post was an error and you're trying to disguise that.


Re: "and 32,0000 Nokia employees will become Redmondians."

Why? MS has money and Nokia doesn't. Nokia have just received a boost of several billions. Nokia already weren't making the OS themselves so they're not being replaced by MS employees. This ought to be a good thing for Nokia employee prospects.

You're just mindlessly associating this with corporate take-overs by companies that either want to sell off constituent parts or compete in the same space as the purchased company. Neither of those are MS's motivation here.


Re: hands up

Before the event? Plenty of people wont have seen it coming. After the event everyone will have and always did. Human nature.



Been a bad week for end users of MS products, imo. Firstly we lose Ballmer (everything from XP onwards came out under his tenure), secondly he's replaced by a Value Act representative (and it's probably the reason he left) who will be continuously pushing MS toward immediate returns over good long-term strategy. And now we find that WP will be tied to a single hardware provider. Well it isn't, but with MS having their own line its a strong disincentive to other OEMs to compete using WP. They'll just stick with Android (or Tizen).

I was enjoying liking MS for the first time in years. Now it looks like I'm being forcibly returned to the old days.

South Carolina couple cop cuffing for shed shag


A bit hard.

Is it me or is this a bit harsh for them trying to have a quick shag in a display shed? Police involvement and their identities splashed around the world. Basically, any time someone (employer, prospective partner, whoever), types their name in, this is going to be the first result. Not to mention that in the USA, you get put on the sex offenders register for things like this!

Why couldn't a member of staff just knock on the door and say: "oi! knock it off!" and give them a telling off. Make them wipe the place down as well if it needs it. The rest is a bit excessive.

'World's worst director' plans Snowden-inspired movie comedy


I kind of liked that.

I've never seen a Uwe Boll movie and don't really know who he is, but that trailer looked pretty funny.

Microsoft's Nokia plan: WHACK APPLE AND GOOGLE


Re: Give Nokia WP

You're suggesting taking a VERY large and established project (the WP OS) away from ten teams that have created it and still manage it and giving it to an entirely different company. On what planet does that make financial, technical or managerial sense? You're insane.


Re: They made $10 for a Nokia phone?

"Why did they bother at all? They make more per an Android phone from license fees"

How much do they make from licence fees per Android phone?


Re: RIP Nokia

"Obviously the patents Microsoft gets makes them dangerous now. They'll be knocking on a few doors soon with a baseball bat."

The Army of the Will Not Read are out in force today. MS have not bought the patents. They have licenced them for ten years with an option to renew. Nokia are still the patent owners. MS have simply paid for use of those patents and offered some if their own under the same deal.


Re: RIP Nokia

"they can lay off all those pesky Finns now they have what they really wanted all along,"

Microsoft have money. Nokia do not. Nokia has just made multiple billions. Nokia employees now have a better chance of not being laid off than they did before.

You seem to be confusing this deal with situations where a company takes over a competitor which is nit the case here. You're just making things up that sound bad on MS's part.

Boffins follow TOR breadcrumbs to identify users


Re: Anonymity

"Did anyone really think that anonymity Tor could be guaranteed?"

I think one of the main things it does is that even if it can ultimately be compromised, it shifts the scenario from a few quick commands on a keyboard to considerable effort and resource. The more people who use TOR or GPG, etc., the less that casual and speculative searching can take place.

It changes the scenario from 'scan all the people who visited X' or 'search all emails for references to Y', to 'we suspect this specific person - start the machinery up and get back to me'.

That's a big win for privacy.

My own view of TOR, though, is that however much I approve of securing privacy and building measure to resist abuse of power by the state, the moment I contribute by setting up a TOR node, I've no idea whether what I'm actually helping is the distribution of child porn and people pirating movies. So I don't.

Facebook turns tables on profile stalkers with News Feed tweak



I have no affiliation with these people, but I really like https://sgrouples.com/

This is kind of like Facebook but instead of feeling like a big leaky bucket I'm forever trying to plug all the holes in, it starts with me at the middle and lets me add and manage groups outwards.

Very easy to separate work and social life on it and I don't feel I'm permanently at war with the site just for wanting to keep a few things private.

End of an era as Firefox bins 'blink' tag


Re: Firefox 32.0?

"Ah - I get it. The old Firefox versioning joke. That used to be funny - never."

I thought it was funny when I first heard it, around the time of version 12 or 13.

But that was months ago.

What happened to Eadon??


I heard...

...that threw a bucket of Windows phones over them and he melted.

Eadon was particularly unwholesome. He (or she, but male seems to be the consensus), sometimes caused me to wonder if he was actually an MS-fan trying to discredit Linux and Open Source users. He was that bad. There were some days that I could almost feel the hatred fizzing out of my monitor at me when he and I discussed things. I think I was particularly bad because I *am* a UNIX programmer (or was for many years) and I'd lay fairly good odds that I actually know a considerable amount more about GNU/Linux than he does. (I still remember snobbishly looking down on Ubuntu when it appeared for being pre-compiled :D )And yet since some time after Windows 7, I've been increasingly impressed by MS's products and direction. And so day after day, Eadon would hiss and spit at me about the virtues of Linux and call me a shill and every other name, and I'd vainly try to explain that both were good. I've no doubt got a bit of a reputation here and elsewhere as a Microsoft fanperson, but the weird thing is that it is Eadon and a few like him, that have pushed me in that direction.

But Eadon could also very easily be tied up in knots. Conditioned hatred leads to that. I once got him to out and out state that bias and distortion of the truth was the morally right thing if it made Microsoft look bad.

I would almost feel sorry for him, if he weren't such a destructive thing to the image of Open Source. We're all better off without him.

Articles with no comments


Re: Articles with no comments

Agreed. This is annoying. How am I supposed to find the thread for the Trident article for example. There seems no obvious category and no way of knowing what thread people are discussing it in. Give us proper comments. I like to read what people have written without following a series of clues. And sometimes I like people to read what I have written without having to do the same.

Admen's suggested tweaks to Do Not Track filed straight into the bin


Re: DNT is a mirage

"i.e. the Reg have one for containing our forum accounts. While this may not be the best example, the Reg aren't completely evil in spite of what maybe written in the comments sections responding to articles written by Andrew and Lewis..."

You're confused about what tracking is. It's not when you sign into an account on El Reg. It's when you sign into El Reg. and read an article on 3D televisions and then you go to Facebook and the two sites share information (probably by a Third Party) and Facebook says 'I hear you like televisions, wouldn't you like to see some ads from Panasonic, now?).

It's not about signing into a site, it's about tracking between them.


Re: I love W3C

"The ad men responded with; "We'll ignore DNT information from IE10.".

Actually the person who said that was a lean engineer at the Apache Foundation who unilaterally put in an unapproved patch to do that right before a major release and was roundly slapped by his fellow team members. IIRC, the revert comment said something like 'don't stick your politics into the code'. The commit actually worked below the web application level interfering with the actual HTTP header information.

The ad agencies actually were fine with having it buried in the browser settings. They know there's a coming storm with privacy and the original DNT would have let them say that people were voluntarily accepting the tracking whilst knowing that hardly anyone would trek through three layers of menus to turn it off. When MS were going to enable it by default, they actually changed the spec to disallow it, but MS found a way around that by including it in the default choices on browser setup.

So I see why it seems odd that MS are on this panel. But we really don't know what their position was in the meetings. Maybe they just feel they can have more influence from inside than from out.

YES, Xbox One DOES need internet, DOES restrict game trading


Re: Microsoft: "We're always listening to our customers"

"£40-50 is a lot compared to other media types and while a music album can last your lifetime in terms of enjoyment a game gets boring"

I get bored of music too. Let's compare it to films. A film might last around two hours. A Blu-ray of it will cost, let's say £15 (we are comparing new and big name films if you're pitching £40-50 for games). So a film is £7.50 per hour. Do these £40-50 games come in under seven hours of total play? Because if not, they are a good buy compared to film media. Note that I was especially generous in comparing them to purchased discs which multiple people can watch (just like multiple people can play a game) rather than to cinema tickets which are per person (rather than per household like the Xbox games) and which would *really* make games look cheap.

Some here are ignoring the flip side of the criticism that if games companies are against trade-in because it hits how much revenue they get from games, then limiting trade-in should result in cheaper games, unless there is price-fixing going on in which case you have a different problem.

Also, has anyone compared the financial impact of trade-in games with the impact of piracy? It seems to me that the latter is quite probably a far greater cause of this DRM than trade-in.

Microsoft touts business features of Windows 8.1


Re: @JDX - StartIsBack

"Too bad the rest of the planet is not as smart as you are! You must feel so lonely up there!"

Actually, I'm up there with the super-geniuses too, apparently. And so is my mother who similarly managed to use Windows 8 fine.

Seriously, children are able to learn the Windows 8 interface easily in no time. You really want to argue that you're less intelligent and IT capable than them?


Thats it Luke, let the hatred flow through you...

MS reveal a list of upcoming features, many of which will be very useful to the Enterprise. And every comment is seething contempt. The unreasoning hatred and bias in this place is absurd.

Look ma, no plugins! Streaming web video with just JavaScript


Re: Shouldn't that be...

Well the point is, no matter what you do regarding DRM and watermarking. It will _always_ affect the legitimate user and never affect the pirate

An invisible watermark does not affect me as a legitimate user. If a whole bunch of material I have purchased shows up pirated and they can identify the source as me, then that can well affect me as a pirate. The files are distinguishable. As well as knowing that they were originally sold to me, they can theoretically find the first time that file was uploaded and from where.


Re: WebGL

Conceptually it is a security nightmare. That was always the given reason by Microsoft for not implementing it.

Why next iPhone screen could be made of SAPPHIRE - and a steal...


Re: Never mind the quality - feel the width !

"Hmm, it wasn't really the image I wanted to accompany my morning coffee, though."

Think yourself lucky. I was eating raspberry yoghurt when I read that line. (I actually was).

Want to know what CIA spooks really think of spy movies and books?


Re: Films and Novels require the suspension of disbelief

Swordfish with Hugh Jackman hacking with multiple consoles deserves a special mention for grating stupidity.

I use multiple consoles all the time. ;) Try multiple people

Realistic Hacking

Hollywood doesn't get more accurate than that! ;)


Re: Mostly Boredom

"I love the way James Bond breaks into the villain's office at night and the first thing he pulls out of the filing cabinet is the Master Plan. Dgeez, it takes me half an hour to find anything in my *own* filing cabinet."

I agree with your post overall, but I can't help thinking that any evil genius would probably be a lot more organized than us.

I mean, if you walked into an office, what would scream "Evil" at you more than a tidy desk? It's just wrong.

Linux kernel 3.9 lands


Re: Quick Noob Q.

Can the kernel be set to override UEFI BIOS and get around this whole MS lock down of motherboards? I am looking at a new Linux home machine on new hardware. My new Mobo has UEFI, so it is a concern obviously.

You'll be fine. Part of the requirements from MS for Windows 8 certification actually specify that a physically present user must be able to turn Secure Boot off. Additionally, with some GNU/Linux distributions, you wont even have to do that as they have signed boot loaders. The Secure Boot hysteria was actually a big piece of FUD from MS critics. Meanwhile, Google's Pixel, that can only have your choice of OS installed on it by repeatedly putting the device in developer mode everytime you boot, has passed with nary a whisper of criticism.


Re: Quick Noob Q.

it is possible it might have some secret option to be turned on/off within the EFI interface, before you can do just that.

The UEFI standard is just that - a documented standard shared created by a large range of big hardware players from AMD to Apple to Intel to Lenovo. There wont be "secret options" to turn on Secure Boot against the user's will. There's no such option in UEFI and no-one wants to fake a UEFI system.


Eadon logic dictates that market share is all when it comes to windows phone. Applies different logic to desktop.

Ah, I see. It wasn't clear from your post that you were highlighting Eadon's double-standards, I thought you were taking an unwarranted shot at Linux. He really is hugely destructive to debate.


Re: Windows Desktop is from Venus, Linux Desktop is from Mars

<quote>The god in this case is Mars, not Linus. Calm down, it's just a bit of wordplay on the "A is from Venus B is from Mars" trope, not frothing lunacy.</quote>

I don't know how you got that. He wrote: "The Linux Desktop is cool, named after a god". I'm familiar with KDE, Gnome, Xfce and others, but I don't know one called Mars. How you parsed his post to this, I have no idea. You must have studied Eadonish at University or something.


Re: Windows Desktop is from Venus, Linux Desktop is from Mars

Eadon isn't a Linux supporter - he's a parody account. I assume he's a Windows user of some ilk

I don't know. He's been going a long time and I remember his earlier posts which were also very pro-Linux and anti-MS, but not always as stupid as this one (though still frequently stupid and profoundly biased). I lean more to the 'Genuine Idiot' Theory of Eadon. Though if they really do get their pleasure in life from posting silly things on The Reg forums, then that's just tragically sad.

Either way though, he makes us genuine Linux users look bad and I resent him for that.


@spoddyhalfwit. Don't let Easdon provoke you into negative attacks. GNU/Linux has loads to offer. Windows is good too. These things are not mutually exclusive. Linux powers at least half of the Internet for a start. Not to mention the Linux kernel being a critical part of Android. If you like Windows (I do), then Linux was one of the best things that happened to security in Windows by pushing MS to compete against a better opponent ten years ago. It's not a war, even if posters like Eadon want to make it one. Chill.


Re: Windows Desktop is from Venus, Linux Desktop is from Mars

The Windows Desktop runs hot; has a quadrillion exotonnes of hot marketing air swirling around it and is toxic and crushing to all known forms of life except for viruses, which thrive on it.

The Linux Desktop is cool, named after a god and mankind desperately wants to go there,

With supporters like you, who needs Bill Gates? You are the worst of the Linux community and I am glad that the vast majority are not frothing lunatics such as yourself.

Named after a god. LOL. I mean I have great respect for Linus Torvalds, but to paraphrase Doctor Who, he'd make a very bad god. No day off for a start! ;)

AMD reveals potent parallel processing breakthrough


What concerns me though, I recall some time back (a couple of years ago) there being a WebGL exploit that could extract pieces of video RAM. Admittedly, the exact problem occurred nearly 2 years ago, and a lot has changed since then, however this isn't to say the same vulnerability can't exist in future software.

Issues of this nature were given by Microsoft as the reason they hadn't implemented WebGL in IE for such a long time.

Ban drones taking snaps of homes, rages Google boss... That's HIS job, right?


Re: So few comments?

I think this is a case of glass houses and throwing stones. Im betting hes got a reporter doing exactly this and he doesn't like it.

Probably that. But aside from the downright offensiveness of Schmidt being the one to say this, he is correct in this case. I'll just be keeping a very close eye on whether his actions match his rhetoric.

WTF is... H.265 aka HEVC?


Re: Implementation suggestion for smooth as silk frame-by-frame advance etc.

What you want is completely in the hands of the client

If you look at the title of the post above you, you'll see the term "Implementation suggestion". The poster knows this is something for the client to implement. They're just expanding on the original topic.


Re: Ah, another patent encumbered format @JDX

This is always about software patents, not the code itself. OK, you write a nice implementation, your code should be protected, I totally agree. But the algorithm used should be open, so that someone can provide an alternative implementation

This is worth examining. The above would be correct if the effort and work producing this was on the coding side, but it is actually largely on the algorithm side. I haven't looked at the algorithm, but I am a C++ programmer (or I was for some years) and I have some background in mathematics. I'm not at all trivialising the work that goes into implementing this, but if I look at the algorithm, my educated guess is that it wouldn't be that hard for me to turn it into code, just a little time because I'm rusty. But could I come up with the algorithm? I doubt it. I understand the principles detailed in this article and I dare say I could follow a more detailed version too, but my maths simply is not good enough to have done what these people did and nor do I have the large amount of time and effort these people were paid to put in.

What I'm saying, is that your suggestion that the code is what needs protecting, that "ripping off" involves copying the code, mistakes where the effort takes place, and thus where the protection should occur.

If someone creates a computer game where I am a gun running round shooting aliens in first-person view, well that's a simple idea, but the code will be huge and complex. Thus copyright law prevents me just copying it and calling it mine. But I can freely make my own version. If someone creates a complex series of sophisticated algorithms for video encoding/decoding, then the idea is the complicated part, but the implementation will be (relatively) simple in that I'm just taking the maths and turning it into code (with some parallelization if I want it to be a [I]good[/I] implementation. Thus the latter case isn't looking to copyright law to ensure the creators are fairly recompensed, but to patent law.

As you said at one point, the problem is that it becomes a standard. There are only three ways out of that. Either

* An Open Source alternative is created that is as good as the proprietary one.

* Users pay a very small sum to licence it directly.

* Someone pays it on behalf of the users.

The first has not happened, unfortunately. That would be the ideal.

The second would probably be the fairest second option but it requires more prevalent and easy micro-payments amongst users, so it's a solution for five years down the road. Though you can do it with some success today, so I would advocate this one.

The third is all nice and lovely, isn't it. In practice, it probably means Google showering you with ads and mining your data as free services usually do. Though Ubuntu maybe has enough revenue that they will do this in their case, it doesn't help the rest of the distros.

What isn't an option, imo, is simply throwing out the patent protection and saying you can just give other people's efforts away for free. The licencing terms are actually already quite generous in that you can give it away a 100,000 times before it is an issue. But surely if you are making money from other people's work (and Ubuntu *is* a business, as are others), then surely those others should have a right to recompense. I mean I actually could legally roll my own h4rm0nix distribution (you heard the name first here) and legally distribute the codec with it up to a 100,000 times. That's pretty cool. But move to a large business like Ubuntu, it's a different story, imo.

Google vows no patent prosecution for open source cloud tech


It's not _bad_ news, but it's more PR than anything else for the most part. Google's statement that they wont sue anyone unless they are sued first sounds very noble on the surface, but it attempts to present suing as the only way in which one party can do a wrong to the other. As Google is quite weak in patents compared to other big players, it's far more the case that Google would do another party a wrong by infringing on their patents. Naturally the infringed party would then sue at which point Google hoists their flag of "We didn't sue first". But the reality is that they don't have to sue first in order to be the transgressor. Furthermore, the caveat that Google is only extending this offer to Open Source projects, is fine for Open Source projects, but it makes it meaningless in terms of whether this is actually costing Google anything. All their real rivals are Closed Source. There is only two viable contenders in the Open Source world to Google and these are Ubuntu and Firefox OS (potentially). The Mozilla Foundation is currently dependent on Google and Ubuntu is not a rival in the mobile space, only Desktop, which Google does not value highly because they feel they cannot realistically compete with Windows or Mac there. They are rolling out ChromeOS, but I really don't think they see Ubuntu as a threat there. So basically, this gesture from Google costs them nothing. Which again, is no bad thing for Open Source, but diminishes how generous this appears.

There are two other takes on Android - that by Amazon, and that by Samsung. Neither of these will be impacted by this as the distinctions between these and Google's own Android lines, are in the proprietary level of stores, apps, etc.

Is this a bad thing? No. Is it more than PR from Google? Not much.

Microsoft backs law banning Google Apps from schools


Re: Just skimmed the article

Headline is click-bait, but Google are unlikely to be compliant. If you read that link more carefully, they state that they do not serve adverts in Google Apps for Education, but they don't say anything about not collecting data nor about not merging that data with other services outside of Google Apps for Education. You can always monetize the data later. Having children's data from their earliest days onwards - that's commercially valuable and in Google's best financial interests.


Re: The bill sounds good

and Eadon would be right. It is obvious, even for the article's author, that bill is obviously aimed to whack out MS competition

The bill affects anyone (including Microsoft) that would collect data on school children in the course of their education. The author of this article should be ashamed of themselves for their poor journalism. All Google have to do to comply with this law is to not collect data on the school children. It's not a law to ban Google from classrooms. But it is aimed at Google. There's no contradiction between the two. Google are attempting to exchange schoolchildren's data for free tools. I agree that this is wrong. All that would happen is Google would have to either start charging for their services to education like other companies, or else grant it truly free.

EU antitrust chief growls at Google, hopes to avoid sanctions


Re: EU

The EU is a socialist and simultaneously a fascist organisation.

A bit like the Fascists then, who re-introduced the old Latin word into the modern era. They were an off-shoot of the Italian Socialist Party.

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