* Posts by h4rm0ny

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Microsoft points PowerShell at Penguinistas

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Re: End of Days

And your reason for supposing GNU/Linux requires only 2% the sysadmin resource that Windows does would be... what, exactly?

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Re: Ha! Ha! Ha!

It's depressing that nine people so far have modded you up for that. You're looking at the Windows end of it (this whole thing is a tool for managing GNU/Linux from Windows). Go here:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/privatecloud/archive/2014/05/19/powershell-dsc-for-linux-step-by-step.aspx

Unless Yum has become part of the install process on Windows, this is where you should be looking for the GNU/Linux end of the integration. I mean I get the general superiority complex most technical people have, but seriously what was going through your mind? That MS had released a big GNU/Linux tool without stopping to check at any point if it would install on GNU/Linux? Did you really think that somehow they had missed this critical flaw which you'd just noticed? And for all the people who reflexively upvote gibberish just because it sounds like its mocking Microsoft, shame on the lot of you.

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Re: System Requirements

>>"One of the requirements is a Win machine to extract the file. Why not a tarball? Is the source available? Upgrade fees?"

To quote a great woman: "Did IQ's just drop sharply, while I was away?"

It's a collection of Powershell scripts hosted on GitHub and you would normally obtain them via GIT. The link is right there in the (short) article. And if you're talking about the GNU/Linux client, you can install it with a package manager (e.g. Yum) and it's Open Source under a licence that is actually more permissive than the GPLv2 (basically do anything you want so long as you include the original copyright notice).

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MS have been selling Linux boxes for a long time. Log into Azure, select a Linux image - voila. MS have always had one single goal: they'd like your money please.

MS want Azure to be the most successful Cloud infrastructure provider. Many customers want GNU/Linux in their Cloud, therefore MS have offered it for quite a long time now. And they actually do a fine job of it.

When I saw the headline, I thought it was about porting Powershell to GNU/Linux and was all set to write a post about how the non-OO nature of GNU/Linux makes PS a lot less worthwhile than on Windows (which is OO from the ground up). But actually this is just about rolling support for them into the standard tools which makes a lot of sense.

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So what would the economic effect of leaving the EU be?

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Re: The UK can leave

I accept the correction without protestation, and tender my apologies. I touch-type and find that my fingers are prone to take their cue from the sounds of words rather than what I know to be correct. I don't know why.

I now hand you the mortar board in recognition of your greater deservedness. May you smite all who abuse the English language.

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Re: Harry @h4rm0ny

>>"I've no independent knowledge; is Survation believed to be ideologically biased or merely highly adaptable based on paymaster?"

Well I have heard a couple of politicians (different parties) refer to Survation in much the same tones I would use to refer to Visual Basic so I'm partly drawing it from that. Note, this wasn't in an interview or public statement, it was just casual conversation. Politicians actually can be honest when the cameras aren't on them and they know their comments wont be used to attack them next week. It was just that "after hours" sort of chatting if you know what I mean. But the other aspect is their UKIP polling was definitely way off which I saw first-hand. And not in the way pretty much everyone's was off this election, but in a really suspiciously skewed way making it look like UKIP had chances of winning seats that they were never, ever going to come close to. I was suspicious when I saw it, but reserved judgement until after the results came in. It was, imo, definitely misrepresentative.

>>"i.e. I think it's worth repeating that the idea that a majority of people definitely want out but that our national politicians are the obstacle has no compelling evidential basis."

I get your point now. I may have misread your post. Yes, I don't know any compelling evidence that people would vote to leave in a referendum. However, something like this is notoriously hard to predict. It's actually harder to predict by polling, I have been told, than a General Election. And we saw how well that went. The Tories will do their best to stage manage any referendum and time it to get the result that they want as much as they are able. I am strongly against leaving, though on principle, I have to support there being a referendum, even though it would be nerve-wracking for me.

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>>"I hear the same argument in Norway, but I fail to see the wisdom. "And then what?" is a question that springs to mind. You increase the population by immigration, and then... Ok, you have a bigger population, now who is going to keep things running, change bedpans, and so forth, for the next generation? You have not solved the problem, only postponed it (while increasing its size)."

Life is always a game of staying just ahead of the axe. Are you suggesting we don't deal with this generation's problems because the solution doesn't also deal with the next generations? Who knows what the answer is - maybe one more generation covered will buy us a bit more time to create robot servants and exosuits or improve health after forty for much longer. Who knows.

>>"I am not familiar with the situation in the UK, but in Norway we have long since passed the point where we can sustain ourselves. Our food industry is now a drop in the ocean and we are dependent on importing food in order to survive"

Norway has a very low population density. It could easily sustain itself in terms of food if it wishes. The reason it doesn't is because it has a highly educated population and is very modern due to fortuitous oil reserves and therefore it makes far more sense to simply buy in food from abroad. That's what trade is for - so that you can focus on producing the Opera web-browser or whatever it is you do over there, and via the wonder of modern money, exchange high-value exports for cheap imported food and have enough left over for one of the highest standards of living in the world. Do NOT make out that your importing of food is some sort of dire constraint that puts you on a knife edge. You import food for the same reason I buy it at the supermarket rather than grow my own. And if immigration adds to your country's GDP (which it has done by filling jobs the educated and affluent Norwegians done want to do), then that just gives you more money to import more food.

>>"and fwiw: I will happily sacrifice our liberal social security system"

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that you personally don't need social security. So perhaps you should pick a word other than "sacrifice".

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Re: Harry

>>"A Survation poll"

I'm not sure any polling company qualifies as reliable, but Survation bring a new low. I saw UKIP pamphlets backed up with Survation "figures" showing the huge numbers of people planning to vote for UKIP which turned out to be grossly exaggerated to how many actually turned out. Or if in some technical / wording sleight of hand that isn't what they were actually saying, it was certainly the impression that was deliberately created. I've also heard pretty bad things about their neutrality elsewhere.

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Re: The UK can leave

>>"h4rm0ny - I think you might be violently agreeing with the OP."

Ah, you're right. I missed that they were talking from the perspective of someone outside the UK. That probably also impacts me correcting their grammar over the "more easier" part too. :(

Apologies to the OP. I misread your post as being from the British point of view.

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Re: Why don't we...

Tony Blair, is that you?

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Re: "how stupid will British economic policy be if it does leave the EU?"

>>"So why are banks so different?"

I'll take a stab at this one otherwise Tim Worstall might reply with something I actually agree with and that would make me feel a little sick in my mouth.

There are two reasons that "banks" are different. Possibly three though the last is more arguable. The first and clearest distinction is that it is our money in there. I don't think anyone in living memory in the UK recalls a proper banking collapse. I'll put it succinctly: imagine going to your bank or cashpoint today and seeing a message saying "this bank cannot afford to give you your money. Your savings are lost". Literally, you cannot access your money because it no longer exists. And to those reading this who have debts, keep in mind that those wont be gone - they are assets that will be seized by the banks creditors and you'll now owe your money to some other entity.

Once you've got your head around the idea that your high-street bank simply vanishes with all your savings and what that would mean for many people, there's item number two.

Now purely investment banks don't necessarily tie into the first reason; that only ties into some of the banks. Reason number two applies to all and it is that the banks were viable businesses. What do you do when you see a viable business that is suddenly in crisis and available super-cheap? Yep, you buy it. At least you do if you have lots of money or credit. This is what the UK government did with those they bailed out (Northern Rock being an exception and an older case). The UK government is actually profiting from the RBS bailout. Effectively, they bought low and sold high. And that's because the nature of the banking crisis was not one of a business that was no longer viable, but one that had gotten itself into a crisis situation.

Now whether the bankers running those companies should have got bonuses is a whole different question and one which I imagine most people here can answer quite succinctly. But the principle of bank bailouts itself has sound underpinnings.

The third argument is the more arguable. "Too big to fail" is a dangerous phrase and as a capitalist, one that makes my skin crawl. But there is an element of truth there. The West's economy was teetering on the brink of a major slide. Worst case scenario, a catastrophic one. The banks that we're talking about, are a large part of the economy and if they collapsed it would certainly result in big repurcussions. Now I'm not going to strongly argue this one - look at Iceland. They let things collapse and have rebuilt. I'm inclined to attribute a big part of that to the fact that they have a small and very educated population which gives them strong foundations on which to rebuild. I'm not sure the UK would be so fortunate. However, there are good arguments for letting markets correct themselves and I'm kind of in favour of that generally. Otherwise there's a risk that you're merely delaying the problem and making it worse when it does happen. But I do acknowledge that there impact of their collapse would have been huge and resulted in a lot of economic suffering.

So to conclude, those are the principle reasons why the banks were different to other companies and why (imo) bail outs were justified.

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Re: information free

>>two pages to say "we don't really know" and "it all depends".

Actually, I read it more as

1. "economists say that we'd be poorer out of the UK".

2. "but they concede that it's not a 100% certainty"

3. Therefore ignore it and leave the EU.

It's amusingly similar to climate change arguments a lá "they think a bad thing will happen", "they don't have precise and concrete predictions," "therefore ignore it".

Which is amusing because I'm actually a semi-skeptic of AGW so it's instructive to see myself from the outside for once. :D I guess it *is* possible to learn something from a Worstall article after all!

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Re: The UK can leave

>>the EU, I will be glad in many ways. It will be more easier imposing barriers to nice practices like the ones that give us the "mad cows"

Incorrect. It is easier to carry out trade barriers when you're a big entity with a lot of leverage than when you're a small one. How many small countries do you recall negotiating on an equal footing with the USA, recently? Bargaining power is why the nations of the world have banded together into trade blocs. In a world where nearly everyone whose anybody has joined a gang, you want to be the only person in the prison without a group of friends.

Also - sorry - because I cannot help the grammar correction: "more easier" should be just "easier".

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Re: Economist's predictions

>>"When was the last time that an economist's predictions for fifteen years in the future were correct?"

Economists make accurate predictions often (though precise is a different matter). However, for every economist there is an equal and opposite economist and they are selected by governments (and journalists) on the basis of which tells you what you want to hear.

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Re: Human rights aren't EU

>>"The Human Rights Act, the European Court of Human Rights, this is nothing to do with the EU. Or at best, something only partially. They actually come from the Council of Europe (which is not the same thing as the European Council)."

This is sophistry. They are intimately tied together and either you have a very superficial understanding of this or you are deliberately misdirecting.

The European Council and the European Union are separate bodies, which is as you have stated. But the EU court (part of the EU) is expected to accede to the Convention on Human Rights (what we're talking about) and the Treaty of Lisbon includes binding by the European Council's court. They are meant to work together and this is explicit in the treaty. Signing the European Convention on Human Rights is now a condition of membership to the EU, even though they are separate bodies. One can sign up to the act without being a member of the EU, but the reverse is not the case anymore and has not been for some time.

All of the above is verifiable fact and your attempting to portray them as distinct is dishonest. They are not the same thing, but they are tied together very closely. And UKIP (your party) has a stated goal of withdrawing from the Convention on Human Rights as well. You're posting things that are factually true but grossly misleading and stripped of context. Which is an increasing occurrence with you.

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Facebook 'fesses up to running an ideological echo chamber

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>>"Surely I can't be the only person that wants to read (as an example) articles from The Daily Mail and The Guardian?"

Not that particular combination, but I do read from both The Guardian and The Telegraph. (I also read The Economist and paid services such as Stratfor, though I find the former unbearably smug sometimes). My criteria for a news-source is less where they sit on a political spectrum, and more the quality of analysis and level of depth. However, I do suspect this is a minority case. Having what you think confirmed is a positive feed-back loop that I fear some people derive too much of their gratification from.

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No, really, that 12.9-inch MaxiPad is totally on the way now

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This format makes sense with a stylus. A digital clipboard, a tool for rapid diagramming, a presentational tool for meetings / lectures (tablet and stylus with projector or large screen are far better than a digital whiteboard for a number of reasons not least of which that everyone at the table can write on it by either just handing the tablet round or each having their own). All these uses make a large format tablet pretty useful if it's light.

Such a tablet without stylus - no.

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NetSuite's leap over to Azure cloud - a shot to the pills for AWS?

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I know El Reg. love their photos, but do I really need to see a 650x430 face-shot of a beaten up man?

Other than that mysterious unsettling filling of my monitor, good article.

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Phablet for the biz fleet with easy typing: Microsoft Lumia 640 XL

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Re: NOT suitable for enterprise.

Thank you, hugely, to both you and Fungi. This has been a huge lack on WP for a long time. You've just made my day if this works as promised. I'm downloading to try it out now. And XML export format is fine by me. Obviously wont be ideal for the less technical users, but there are people around to help with that and ultimately it's actually even better as XML.

THANK YOU! :D

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NOT suitable for enterprise.

I like WP generally, but unfortunately I have found it unsuitable for enterprise use (and personal) for one simple reason: It is incapable of exporting SMS messages. There is no way, short of selecting each one individually, hitting copy and pasting it into a text editor, of getting them out. And even then it would just be raw text with no timestamps or sender information.

This is basic functionality available on even simple phones for well over a decade and easily possible on rival systems. But it cannot be done by WP. It's been raised with MS by many people but has not been addressed and the reply keeps coming back that you can "backup" your txt messages which misses the point by a staggering degree. We're not talking about restoring them to your next phone, we're talking about export. I know of one case where someone had to individually copy some thousand or so messages because they had to hand over records as part of a court case. And even without such cases, you still want to be able to have a searchable record of your messages or be sure that they are safe.

We can save emails, keep letters but as far as MS are concerned, txt messages are designed to be thrown away. It is a dumbfounding lack that basically excludes WP from consideration for many.

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Ex-Goldman Sachs programmer found guilty of code theft … again

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Re: *Whose* code? @ David Dawson

>>"irrelevant - the only definition worth considering is that in law,"

Well no, it isn't. Legal terminology is a specialized sub-set of language. We are not confined to only use definitions given by a particular country's legal system. The OP didn't say that they had been charged with "theft" in court, they called the action of taking something you didn't have a right to, to be theft. Which is in accord with the way pretty much everyone uses it.

I mean you can declare it "irrelevant" how most people use a word and insist that only legal definitions of a particular country is allowed, but you have no such authority to set those definitions above everyone else. When someone says the charge in court was "Theft" you can leap in and say it was technically "contract violation" or whatever, but that's not what anyone did.

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Re: *Whose* code? @ David Dawson

>>"I don't know what the definition of "theft" is where you are, but it certainly wouldn't pass muster here in the UK"

Most people's definition of theft is taking something that doesn't belong to them without permission.

--someone in the UK.

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Stealing from Goldman-Sachs?

That's like Bilbo Baggins stealing the gold cup from Smaug.

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French MPs say Oui to Le Charteur des Snoopeurs

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Big Brother

Je suis Winston Smith.

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Word to your mother: Office 2016 preview flung at world + dog

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Re: Office 2007 is fine

No problem. And for all that I know, it's true for them, but I can't check because my version of Office isn't eight years old. Maybe Office 2007 isn't fine. ;) Anyway, cheers for posting a response. Most people wouldn't.

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Re: Office 2007 is fine

>>"First, this is wrong, as I'm pretty sure the numbers after "row" and "col" are variable (one entry for each combination)"

True, but modern compression techniques handle that. If you have a sequence like the following:

<row 1><col 1>{empty}</col 1></row 1>

<row 2><col 1>{empty}</col 1></row 2>

<row 3><col 1>{empty}</col 1></row 3>

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<row 999999><col 1>{empty}</col 1></row 999999>

Then compression will pull out the like parts and just preserve the sequence of the row numbers and how they fit into it. But it will actually go further. If it recognizes a simple sequence (e.g. incrementing by 1 each time), then it will codify that sequence instead.

The people who write compression algorithms are very, very smart. Both you and I could probably write something that does what I just described. So why expect someone who does it professionally not to? It takes a modern processor almost no time at all to expand a compression technique such as I just described. Compared to image compression, it's child's play.

The OP was very wrong to suggest that this was "bloated" because they'd completely forgotten that docx is a container format that is compressed as standard.

>>"Second, compression is not an excuse for something that could be solved by a less crappy format (Keeping the XML and adding a simple rule like "Saving : Empty cells are not be saved. Loading : If a cell is not defined in the file then it's considered empty" would do the trick)"

Have you actually tried this? I just created an workbook in Excel 2013. I put data in rows 1,2,3 and 5 and saved it. I then unpacked the file using 7zip and had a look.

Within the <sheetData> element are <row> elements each with an "r" attribute which is clearly the row number. I have enties for 1,2,3 and 5 but no row element for 4. So it seems it actually does do what you suggest. Probably there is something that the OP omitted to mention such as special formatting or references or similar. Or come to think of it, they're talking about Office 2007 which is eight years old and uses the very crap version of .docx that was rushed through ISO for marketing reasons. At any rate, modern versions of .docx omit the elements where possible - I've just checked.

But that "where possible" is important. If you add custom rules as you suggest, then you can quickly reach the point that it is no longer valid XML and then you create interoperability problems for third parties. And one of the big deals with .docx unlike their old proprietary formats, is that it is a standard that is open and can be used by third parties. Having your formats be valid XML is a MAJOR boost to that. You can't just decide you don't want to represent some of the XML elements because you feel like it. And as pointed out, they have minimal effect on file size due to modern compression techniques.

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Re: Office 2007 is fine

>>"I checked out the XML behind a bloated xlsx and I shit you not, in 2 sheets there were a million+ rows all coded a bit like this "<row 5><col 1>{empty}</col 1></row 5>""

The thing is, that's uncompressed. Once you zip that up, it's no longer a pile of characters, it's (in simple terms) one instance of that string with an integer saying repeat one million times. So what you're going "LOL" at is very far from what is actually being passed around as an actual .docx file being passed around. Remember that a .docx file is a compressed archive.

This sort of thing also is part of the reason you can have this as Open Standard. If it was pure binary, as the old proprietary Office formats were, that would be a lot harder.

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Round Two in Sky vs Skype trademark scrap goes to Murdoch's men

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The world should not be optimized for idiots but for intelligent people.

Even if the former would be more democratic.

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Re: Someone won against Microsoft

Yes, but if someone comes along and tells you that you have to change the name of one of your most recognized brands just because, you're kind of put in the position of having to defend that. People don't invest in brand names just because they like to waste money - it can result in very material gain or loss. Let's face it, Kraft could produce generic knock-offs of most of Cadbury's line-up, but they were still willing to throw lots of money their way because that name guarantees them sales.

Anyway, this case isn't really about MS vs. Murdoch. It's really a judgement on how stupid we think people are. Confusing Skype and Sky because the first three letters are the same? I'm never letting anyone cook me Shitake Mushrooms if the verdict comes back that the humanity really has become that stupid.

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New Windows 10 will STAGGER to its feet, says Microsoft OS veep

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You can't turn Cortana off?

Surely this must be possible. It would be insane not to be able to. I'll be back on Gentoo if that's the case. But I can't believe they would do something this stupid.

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Google Password Alert could be foiled with just 7 lines of JavaScript

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How did they fix it?

It was my understanding that the Chrome extensions could only act within the DOM thus making any approach defeatable in theory. I'm envisaging this fix they've just released changing the id of the element from "browser_warning" to "browser_warning2"!

Now I'm sure that's not the case, but I am interested to know how one could actually get around this. Generate random ids for the DIV? Give the DIV no id at all? What did they actually do to fix this because if it's in the DOM there should be a way to defeat it.

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Apple Watch HATES tattoos: Inky pink sinks rinky-dink sensor

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For the snobs...

Art

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Tattoos are art.

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Re: "just have ones service number tattooed on each limb"

>>"But full-sleeve decorative tats on someone I might be evaluating for a financial-services position? The person has proved that at some point in their life, they had more regard for show and fashion than for money, and don't mind advertising that fact."

I would bet cold, hard cash that if someone turned up in an expensive suit and shoes, that you wouldn't hold it against them that they were showing more regard for "show and fashion" than for money. In fact, do you drive a car that is more expensive and stylish than you actually need? Because the differential between some cheap but perfectly adequate Nissan and some slicker looking Audi is far more than the average tattoo costs.

And as to "at some point in their life". Heaven forbid that people have different values at stages of their life! Aren't you finance types always big on telling me that "past performance is no indication of future performance?"

You're just prejudiced, basically. And illogical, as it happens: You don't know how much impact the cost has on them. You see two people with tattoos that might have cost a few hundred pounds. One of those people might have spent that money on the tattoos in place of something essential whilst the other person spent it out of what is petty cash to them and it's a complete non-issue. But you calculate based on your own preconceptions (because that's all that you have) the same reaction - they have wasted money. Completely irrational response to judging someone's priorities because you don't distinguish at all. Like I said: prejudice.

>>"As a driver or as a laborer, maybe"

You're just dripping with snobbery, aren't you. I know builders and plumbers who earn significantly more than the average IT bod. And who work harder, too. But neither earning nor work ethic are what you assess people's right to express themselves, are they? It's just social class.

I hope your eyes are opened some day to what an obnoxious, prejudiced snob you are.

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Re: Hardly a bug, is it...

>>Now he regrets not listening to me because there are still people that think less of him and he has not gotten the promotions and respect he deserves."

The blame should lie with prejudiced people, not with the victim.

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I would not have thought of it myself. But if I were an engineer working on this aspect of the watch and considering test cases, I think it would be entirely reasonable to have criticized me for not considering this. Tattoos are pretty common things, even on wrists.

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Re: Hardly a bug, is it...

>>"Tattoos are just a naff fashion statement for trend sheep"

Oddly enough, I have never heard anyone judge a person they don't know for not having tattoos. It seems to be the preserve of a certain sub-set without who get to pontificate on the moral / intellectual / social status of others based on this.

And on principle, I tend to reserve my contempt for those that stereotype and judge others, not those who don't.

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Re: Hardly a bug, is it...

It's like the Daily Mail in here, some days. They might as well have thrown in a reference to hoodies or that terrible music kids listen to, today.

Seriously - you're prejudiced against people with tattoos? Why?

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Airbus to sue NSA, German spies accused of swiping tech secrets

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>>"Good. It can wait. It's up to the government elected by the people of the UK to decide the UK's foreign policy."

Well yes, but there's the problem. The European government actually does a better job protecting us than our own. It's not because it doesn't go far enough that the UK wants to pull out of the Human Rights Act, after all. And I think everyone here knows that if the USA asks the UK government for some information, the UK government will just roll over and share anything they're told to.

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Has happened before.

I recall a case, I think around twelve years ago, when US intelligence agencies had obtained confidential business information on a German plane manufacturer and then passed that information on to either Boeing or Lockheed-Martin allowing the US company to out-manoeuvre their European competitor in a very big deal at the time. Unfortunately I don't recall the exact year or company though I could dig out the reference given time.

Anyway, Germany and France were deeply unimpressed. It does not seem that a great deal has changed.

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Top Spanish minister shows citizens are thick as tortillas de ballenas

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>>A carpenter, just to pick an example, does need to know science but they don't need to know if the earth goes around the sun

Your value of need is quite different to my value of need.

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Re: Pedanting...

>>"just as humans are different enough to be considered distinct from apes"

When did that happen? I was always taught (and considered) humans to be part of the group named "apes". Is that no longer accepted as standard view?

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Re: You need to see the questions for context

Am I the only one who read the question and thought: "But humans are animals" ?

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We'll buy patents for cash, says Google – just don't feed the trolls

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Not optimistic about this. I remember with the Rockstar Consortium which held many valuable mobile patents, Google was invited to be part of the group to buy the shares - the intent being that this would neutralize them all as a weapon that the various players could use against each other. Google instead chose to try and bid for them all themselves so that they could charge other people for the use.

Additionally, Google has historically tried to present themselves as "only using patents defensively", i.e. they'll only use them if someone uses them against them first and suggest this makes them a Good Guy. But if Google infringe on someone else's IP and that person seeks licence fees, is it really correct to say that Google is being "defensive"? It's more just that Google was presenting patents as the only weapon when in fact infringement can be just as much an aggressive move.

The logical thing to do with these patents if they wanted to ensure they were never used against people, would be to buy them and then legally declare them open for all use. But their investors would never stand for that, just as their investors wont stand for Google buying assets uselessly. Investors want to see value for their money and Google will only be spending money on these to accumulate value. They may not immediately use some of them but if the situation changes so that it becomes profitable to do so, they will. Big corporations seek profit - that's built into the system.

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C++ Daddy Bjarne Stroustrup outlines directions for v17

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Re: New Keywords

>>"Anyone have any others?!"

Manifesto - This block of code is omitted at compile time.

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Debian ships new 'Jessie' release with systemd AND sysvinit

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>>"The "self-censorship" (and liberal use of NSFW in other articles) is a courtesy to those employees of corporations with a puritanical view of appropriate reading."

Such corporations can go fuck themselves, imo. It's perfectly good and old English. It just happens to originate from before the Normans invaded and convinced everyone that if you wanted to be upper class, you had to speak French, not use Anglo-Saxon words, I've never had time for snobs, personally.

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>>"On the other hand, considering the reach Debian and its derivatives has into the overall Linux user-base, they could have simply informed the relevant developers that systemd would not be supported so either the apps work without a systemd dependency or they don't work."

That's not really how Linux distros work. Whether they include it by default or not, systemd will be available as a package to install. They can't and wouldn't stop that. I mean they could do a sort of soft block by not including it themselves, but it would be trivial for someone to create a .deb package and share it. All that would be accomplished by that approach would be mildly poorer security (have to trust an extra unofficial repo). And like I said, it's not really the Open Source way to stop people installing software if they want it.

So systemd is available for Debian regardless. In which case, how exactly are they going to go round all those projects using it and tell them not to use it?

Yes, I agree that Debian was the last sane person in the kingdom and now they've thrown in their lot with the lunatics because it was increasingly impossible to fight them. But I'm not sure, without major and dedicated resource, they could have.

Unfortunately.

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Poettering got tired of Microsoft copying UNIX, and decided to seek justice by copying them for once.

Unfortunately, he started with their business model. :/

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Um, I actually did read it as fsck at first glance. :o :(

But then El Reg hasn't been bought out by Americans or something has it? Why the fuck would we need words censored? Self-censorship is the saddest censorship. :(

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Celebrated Pakistani female online activist Sabeen Mahmud dies in shooting

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>>"Religion + anything = bad news"

Religion + Humour = Hail Eris!

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