Fucked if I know.
Guess that's why Debian doesn't use it by default.
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Fucked if I know.
Guess that's why Debian doesn't use it by default.
Haven't looked at Debian 9 yet, but am I to understand that systemd is trying to replace bind 9 with some bastardised version?
No. systemd-resolved is an optional part of systemd and not included in Debian 9 by default.
If you are using bind9 then systemd is likely to be the least of your problems. Get a decent DNS package. I'd recommend unbound for a recursive resolver.
It's call stochastic terrorism.
Uh, it's hard to blame the systemd developers for "not reading the RFCs" when:
1. The bug is not in systemd, it's in a third party library used by systemd
2. The RFCs explicitly say that underscore is not allowed in hostnames!
why is an init process doing DNS resolving?When did you stop beating your wife?
It is not possible to answer your question because it contains an incorrect assumption.
If you'd said "why is a process management system..." or however you want to describe the systemd suite (as opposed to /lib/systemd/systemd, aka pid 1) then you might have a point.
Oh, by the way, Debian doesn't use systemd-resolved, so this bug won't affect you.
Unless you're using something else that uses the libidn2 library (whis is not part of systemd).
If you don't want to use systemd just install some other init system.
If you're a debian user this is just a one line command:
apt-get install sysvinit-core
(Two lines if you include the reboot).
Here's your patch:
apt-get install sysvinit-core
Those who do not know Debian are doomed to repeat boring "jokes" endlessly.
AIUI, with Debian there was a lot of "discussion", and eventually some committee decided to bring an end to the "discussions" by calling a vote. The vote was cleverly worded with more options than just "yes, go with systemd" and "no, don't go with systemd". In the end, by cleverly including other options, it was made to look like there was overwhelming support for systemd and so it came to pass that Debian put the nails in it's own coffin.I guess you don't know much about Debian.
In reality, the votes FOR systemd were a minority - but by including votes for "I've had enough with the discussions" etc, the result was rigged.
Here's the vote:
The final vote was:
D = systemd, U = upstart, O = openrc, V = sysvinit, F = further discussion
4x D U O V F (bdale, russ, keith, don)
F U D O V (steve)
U D O F V (colin)
F V O U D (ian)
U F D O V (andi)
It's pretty clear that everyone except Ian Jackson wants to get rid of sysvinit, most people are fed up of the yacking, more people want systemd as first choice than any other system (4xD,2xU,2xF).
The trouble is, so many distros are reformulations of Debian/Ubuntu and once they jumped on the systemd bandwagon it would have involved a huge amount of work to strip systemd outAnd, if your system is based on Debian why would you bother to strip systemd out? It's trivial to use some other init system in place of systemd on Debian.
Of course gtk apps work in non-systemd systems. As does gnome. Despite various wild claims nothing in gnome requires systemd as pid 1. Some gnome packaging, for simplicity, requires that systemd is installed but not that it is running.
You can't believe anyone can have a different opinion than you do?
Devuan can run with any init system but systemd,
Debian can run with any init system, including systemd.
Which one gives you freedom?
E.g. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 takes a minute or two to read and doesn't require much technical knowledge at all.Yes? What's to understand? There was a bug. It's fixed.
That some people came charging along to shout about the bug after it was fixed, forcing the locking of the bug report says more about the people who complain about systemd than the people who write it.
Systemd v sysvinitSo why are you writing about systemd vs sysvinit? Ubuntu used to use upstart, not sysvinit.
I'm running Ubuntu under systemd
can't remember if Upstart can monitor processes or notIt can, but at the cost of running everything under ptrace, which is insane.
And after it was shown it was a) bad behaviour and b) a regression, he locked the issue.No, after the issue was fixed, and hordes of systemd haters came to whine for no reason, he locked the issue.
Bug reporting tools are not discussion forums.
Unless, you know, you run a production system,
You run production systems on testing or unstable?
Did you miss this bit: "215 in stable".
He said "Pre-EU". Learn to read.
The Liechtenstein solution sounds reasonable until you get to this line in Richard North's followup article:
It matters not that Liechtenstein is a micro-state.
It is because Liechtenstein is a micro-state that the "Liechtenstein solution" was possible. There is no way in hell such a "solution" could be put in place for a country the size of the UK.
Of course, if the NHS *did* get the 100 Million a week that we would save if we completely leave and pay zero to (say) a customs union, it would make an improvement to the service.
The annual budget for the NHS in England and Wales is about 116.4 billion quid. Adding an extra 5.2 billion is a drop in the ocean.
"leave the EU and we can spend an extra 4% on the NHS" is a pretty crappy slogan.
And if leaving the EU does cause a 4% fall in GDP it looks like that 5.2 billion "saved" will be just enough to cover the necessary cuts in NHS spending...
Not that that money will go to the NHS. It's already been promised to the farmers, Nissan, the regions...
You do realise the £350M/week figure from Brutus Gove, Boffo the Clown and Ian Deadeyes-Smith was a complete and utter lie don't you? That it has as much resemblance to reality as a Disney cartoon.
Unfair to Disney cartoons -- even the worst of them has a better story than the Brexit campaign.
It's been what, 20 years?
The only sensible answer is the alpha jet. (Which is why El Reg readers will vote against it).
He "maintained" the Jargon file and wrote an article or two, but "Software luminary" is a bit much.
US Navy have their own planes and carriers. US Marine Corps doesn't.They bloody well do. Who do you think bought all the RAF Harriers?
USN != USMC.
Its really not President "Lets focus on the US at home and not be world police anymore" Trump the rest of the world has to worry about.
Oh? Not Donald "why do we have nukes if we don't use them" Trump?
Don't worry, if it's the USMC they can use Harriers if th F35B's don't work.
An Italian, a Frenchman and a German woman get together on an aircaft carrier to stitch up brexit. What's the punchline? The Garibaldi has AV-8B's and the QE2 doesn't.
Was it just that init scripts were human readable?
Init scripts are readable? What planet are you writing from?
Have you ever seen a systemd unit file? This is unreadable?
Description=OpenBSD Secure Shell server
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/sshd -D $SSHD_OPTS
ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID
I'm not going to include the 174 line shell script this replaces (that sources various other shell scripts).
The fact that you think computers can do more than one thing at a time, rather than spend a tiny amount of time doing one thing then swtiching to another one, shows a staggering lack of understanding.
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor
processor : 0
processor : 1
processor : 2
processor : 3
Brussels to Kinshasa, in SABENA economy class, sat in the middle of the cabin next to a Belgian couple with a small poodle entirely covered in diamonds. Just in time to arrive for the outbreak of GW1.
(Fight back much better, on a Swissair 737(?) in daylight with a window seat -- fantastic views of Africa from mount Cameroun to the Sahara, then the med and swiss Alps to Geneva).
Ironbridge Gorge in England is worth a visit. The eponymous bridge over the Severn was built in 1779 from cast iron sections - like Lego.One of my brothers stuck his head between the railings on the iron bridge and got stuck. We told him that as it was a listed monument the fire brigade would probably chop his head of rather than cut the railings. Luckily he managed to pull his head back out.
Won't happen -- many EU countries (e.g. France) have said that there will be no renegociation after the referendum -- the UK votes in or out based on what is on the table -- that is it.
All I need to know that once again, scratch a Brexiter it turns out they're also a climate change denier. Odd, that.
I'm not sure that's accurate, as I understand it MEP's only get to vote on laws that are proposed by the EU Commission/Council/WhateverMEPs get to amend, accept or reject laws proposed by the Commission.
It is indeed unfortunate that MEPs can't directly propose legislation, but then again, in practical terms neither can back bench MPs.
even opposition MP's can bring a private member's bill to be voted on.The only private members bills that get passed are the ones that get government support, and include such gems as the Knives Act 1997.
Well we don't have a trade deal with the US now and yet it's our biggest single trading partner, so how does that work?You pay customs duties on every item exported to or imported from the US, that's how it works.
Also some service companies have limited access to the US market, and US law reserves certain government contracts to US countries.
Not having a trade deal doesn't make commerce impossible, it just makes it harder, more expensive and potentially unfair.
Notwithstanding that, TAFTA or whatever it's called at the moment is shit, and with a bit of chance France (among others) will veto it, with the EU parliament as a backstop if no country can quite work up the courage.
Now you're claiming fourth largest economy in the world? When do you think you passed Germany?
If your claiming to be a man maybe you'd like to learn to add up first.
That's how they fixed the difference between 240V in the UK and 220 in Europe. They both moved to 230.
In fact nothing changed but the labels as 220V ~= 230 - 10% and 240V ~= 230 + 10%. Everyone is happy.
My summer house in Eastern Europe is at a similar facility built at about the same time. Bigger too.
Where? The Wikipedia page for pumped storage only gives 7 bigger installations than Dinorwig, in France, China, Japan and the US.
How do you prove malice?
in this clip he's generic transatlantic
Last man Standin'
Firstly, Bond has to be English and posh.Scottish, actually.
Not only is the official team song for Euro 2016 in English, so is the French entry for the Eurovision song contest.
Well, the French entry (sung by an Israeli dentist) is actually in English and French.
Bizarrely the Austrian entry is in French, too.
Eurovision is great!
When you travel the Eurozone...Uh, Ireland is in the Eurozone.
I mean - China just banned erotic Banana eating.as well they should. After all bananas are dangerously radioactive.
Penises are not good either.
Japan, maker of high definition television devices insists that certain parts of the human body be represented at 32x32 pixels.
I've done a bit of network programming and one of the things I've learned is that you should never use your master process to talk to the network.MThen you'll be happy with systemd -- the master process doesn't talk to the network, it only listens to it.
Ok, that sounds frightening.
What's the bug report#, I'd like to see what was happening.
systemd'oh! DNS lib underscore bug bites everyone's favorite init tool, blanks Netflix
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