For a similar reason to Citrix packaging the Pi as a virtual desktop in a nice box (Citrix Link)?
608 posts • joined 24 Apr 2008
You're right. I don't own a Chrome device.
Last year I did a preliminary investigation of ChromeOS for a seniors community centre where I volunteer. We were looking for a cheap/simple system to complement (or replace) the 6 PCs that we had upgraded to Windows 10 (not a happy experience). I loaded up ChromeOS in a Parallels VM on my Mac, and Little Snitch showed a hell of a lot more network traffic than I had expected compared to a VM running Debian - I appreciate that it was not a vanilla ChromeOS on a standard device; but it was, I thought, interesting.
I did eventually track down a Chromebit Stick which also seemed to be busy on the network. Their network has an ADSL2+ connection to the Internet which had a variable connection speed - After resetting the connection we could get ~14Mbps but it could drop to ~1Mbps in a day or so (ISP contention/IPv4 shared pool problems?). So as a result of this, and after considering the cost of us having to purchase HDMI monitors to replace our old ones, we thought that it was not viable.
The Chromebit was passed on to a non-technical fellow retiree friend who has a VDSL connection. He was doing most of his computing using Google stuff on a clapped-out Windows machine. He now seems happy enough and, as I don't have to fix the mess that he could get into with Windows, that is OK.
As I have wrestled with Microsoft since their PC/MS-DOS systems in 1981, including writing scientific, business and commercial software for every OS from them up to Windows 7, I am certainly not a fan of theirs either...
"Chrome OS has it right" It would be nice if it did not route everything you used it for through Google.
Really? Did you forget the sarcasm flag Simon?
"He would, wouldn't he?" (Mandy Rice-Davies Applies).
It was 1971. Writing a (chemistry) graphing program in FORTRAN was my first realization that learning "computing" was something that I really needed to do for my career.
@John H Woods
For a long time now, I have been convinced that a corporate that has managed to have Windows locked down enough to be safe, has reinvented the 3270 or VT220 terminal. Many of the users that I saw did not know basic skills like drag and drop, or copy and paste - A simple browser front end would be OK for much of their work tasks.
Have a beer and an upvote >>=============>
"Money <--- root of all evil" Not necessarily, money is just a means of keeping score. “For the love of money is the root of all evil..." (Timothy 6:10) is unambiguous.
So it could set itself on fire before Google slurps all of your data?
I won second prize in a competition run by BA in 1987. The prize was a return flight for myself and wife on Concorde to Miami. The aircraft stopped and refueled at Washington, when it took off again - The acceleration was truly impressive - Apparently it was the fastest commercial leg that it flew. The prize included 12 nights at a luxury hotel on Miami Beach. On our first morning (lounging by the pool) Concorde flew very low just past the hotel, and the noise was almost deafening; so I can understand why the locals might have objected.
The aircraft and the service were unlike anything I have experienced. I feel really fortunate.
Not much change here. My father had a couple of photos of the summit of Mt Kilimanjaro he took from a medium bomber in WWll, although he was the observer and not the driver...
What are we going to do with all of these people? As automation increases, many private sector jobs will disappear too. You can't have everyone running custom skinny mochas micro businesses.
During the 1970s-1980s "traditional men's skilled jobs" like turners and fitters were reduced by the introduction of CNC equipment. We were told that we would all have a lot more leisure, and many older men were "retired early". We thought that the changes meant a 2-3 day working week with lots of nice leisure time, but they actually meant "unemployment". We now have societies that have significant levels of un(der)employment, and a relatively small number of skilled people.
I was involved, in a minor way, with some relevant bits of the State. It seems to me that we should not expect governments to help (unless they are forced) - They know that with a majority of the population spending long hours at work and commuting, there is less possibility of trouble from them. The unemployed can be contained by poor access to transport, an oppressive "benefits" scheme, and distracted by crap TV.
So what are they going to do when 40% are out of productive work by 2025 (western intelligence projections)?
@Dazed and Confused
A few years ago on the Australia run, I found that the upper deck business class had a bar. From that time on that's why I always tried to book upstairs. The newer marks just don't quite cut it, even though the beds may be better.
Not around here. Many older newbies and youngsters run a single "Window 10". If you take a sized window and move it, it usually goes into full screen mode (where it stays). Two windows to drag-and-drop files between them is magic, even copy-and-paste is unusual. Right-click is an arcane procedure.
If we gave these users a single modal screen, they probably would not complain...
When our IBM XT PCs played up, the standard first-line support "fix" was to turn them off (I miss the "Big Red Switch") lift them about 2cm off the desk, make sure they were level and then allow them to drop. It often worked, the theory was that it would reseat the chips and cards.
It worked on IBM ATs too, but often didn't work on "lesser" machines. We speculated that they did not have the necessary gravitas.
So management had nothing to do with it?
The most important objective of almost all major western weapons programs is that large amounts of the taxpayers' money is funneled to a small number of the right (already very wealthy) people.
...trimethylxanthine may be what it's friends call it.
Its posh name is 1,3,7-trimethylpurine-2,6-dione
I volunteer to keep the equipment running at a retiree community centre with about 1500 members. What some users leave behind is sometimes private or "interesting". The full code deletes stray stuff from Downloads, the Desktop, etc, and gives them a message at logon. It takes about 3 seconds to run.
Yes you could use a BAT/CMD file, but in this case you may not know the names of subfolders. I have never been able to reliably delete unknown subfolders from a folder that you want to keep when using wildcards, particularly when you don't know what their contents permissions are. So the easiest thing for me was to use filesystem objects with VBS.
I have not understood why Google is sometimes excused behaviour that many commentards would think was unacceptable if carried out by Sony, Microsoft, Apple etc. Unless you pay them money you are not a Google "customer", you are just their harvest. I suspect that if you do pay them money you are probably just a more valuable crop, but they do seem to filter out the obvious spam that a freetard using their products normally sees. A tip for Windows users of Chrome - Delete the local Google Appdata folder to get rid of crap and don't log in to your Google Acc.
' A simple vbs script that you can run at logon
Dim delFolderPath(1)' The usual warnings apply if you run some VBS file you copied from the Internet!
For Each x In delFolderPath
'Set objects & error catching
On Error Resume Next
Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
Set objFolder = fso.GetFolder(x)
'DELETE files in path unless they are ReadOnly, or set to True for All
For Each objFile In objFolder.files
'DELETE all subfolders in delFolder Path even if they are ReadOnly
For Each objSubfolder In objFolder.Subfolders
Set objSubfolder = Nothing
Set objFile = Nothing
Set objFolder = Nothing
Set fso = Nothing
If RH admitted that Poettering's spawn was a leg-pull, and not a plan to lock us out.
Mine's the one with K&R in the pocket >>========>
Back in the day, swimbo and I were Tiefenbrun/Vereker "flat earthers" with a Linn LP12/Naim 250 based system with most of the fruit. Swimbo kept my more rabid audio fantasies on a fairly tight leash. Tiefenbrun said "The best route to quality music at home is a live stereo FM broadcast. After listening to a Naim tuner we realized that Tiefenbrun was probably right and bought it.
As for the vinyl/CD thing: we hated the first CDs and players - I described them as 'having all of the notes, but not much of the music". We later bought a Naim CD player which was OK. The Linn/Naim ideal was based upon rhythm, pace, "musicality" and the ability to play transients rather than an obsession with a flat frequency response.
Interestingly I had a serious RTA which resulted in brain damage. That meant that I had difficulties in playing the equipment and much of the "music" was gone, even though my hearing was apparently unaffected - So it seems that brain processing has a significant effect on how music is perceived, perhaps even more so than frequency imperfections and companding effects.
We sold the equipment to a nice doctor who still has it, and these days my listening is usually to digital media through a TV connected to a small pair of active B&O speakers which I find to be not too tiring to listen to. What I don't fully understand is why music that was originally on LP, or taped, when I transferred to digital files still often sounds better than a file from a CD. Generally neither of us seem to notice the odd hiss or pop.
A long time ago, when a 25-50MB rack mountable Winchester disk had a "voice coil" when I was running routine data jobs, I didn't need to look at the screen, the gentle melody of read/writes told me that everything was good. I did have a couple of spectacularly loud hard disk crashes which gouged the oxide off the platter though...
I looked after the IT needs of 450 scientists, admin and clerical staff in the 1980s.
I have seen an 8" floppy cut with scissors because it would not fit in the 5.25" drive; a 3.5" disk hammered into a 5.25'' drive; a 5.25" disk folded to try and fit it into a 3.5" drive; a letter with an enclosed copy of a backup disk, which we had requested from a remote site (yes it was a photocopy); and, my personal favourite, a 5.25" disk that was the only electronic copy of a department's year-end financial data, stapled (twice) to the covering letter, explaining why they were late submitting it.
Those are some of the reasons why I now look like this >>============>
"Power corrupts - absolute power corrupts absolutely". Not quite. The relevant section of Lord Acton's letter; which was about the doctrine of papal infallibility in the First Vatican Council was, perhaps, even more damning:-
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it... ...and the end learns to justify the means."
The scott/tiger reference bought back suppressed memories from my Oracle 5/6/7 development days. I gave you an upvote anyway...
Anecdotally, around here the predator is a 'phone - At least in the SMB/Director/CEO/Business Owner workspace. The Big Boys seem to have reinvented the mainframe - It is not necessarily zOS at the back end, but the display layer is a web browser or App instead of a 3270.
I have been around this stuff for 45 years now. I saw most of the changes, and even predicted a couple (like the rise of the PC). The next thing that is happening (very quickly) is the disappearance of many traditional middle-level jobs, like administration (Mostly taking data from one place, reformatting and reducing, it and spewing it out somewhere else), and management (Tracking and enabling assets and processes). The old saw "Go away, or I will replace you with a shell script" is becoming a reality.
You may have noticed that many jobs have become systematized and simplified, so that the individual can be easily replaced; and initiative and a true education (rather than the ability to pass a spoon-fed exam) are punished.
Yes. I do look like this: >>=================>
In the early eighties I ran a high(ish) resolution Mass Spectrometry lab. Most of the equipment looked neat and tidy - Until you removed the panelling. Then it looked like the article's photo - That's how real science tends to look. >>====>
Use an IDE? The work of Satan! If you write a program the way that $deities intended; you type:
echo /* Put comment in a file by echoing from the CLI. */ >somefile.txt
echo #include <stdio.h> >>somefile.txt
echo printf( "Hello\n" ); /* Writes Hello to stnd output */ >>somefile.txt
or cat > somefile.txt
/* Put comment in a file by echoing from the CLI. */
printf( "Hello\n" ); /* Writes Hello to stnd output */
Then cat somefile.txt - You now realize that [Tab] should not be used...
Personal experience has led to me not buying their equipment for a while now. I have had several of their monitors which were excellent; at the time they offered a zero dead pixel guarantee. One of them is 12 years old and still works well.
The rot started to set in when we bought two different Samsung mobile phones (before Android). The first one failed within a year and was replaced by the supplier with a later model which generally ran hot. The second one worked until we got rid of it, but the battery life was short, and the operating system was terrible - Three menu levels down to get the screen to dial in the number of someone who was not in the contacts list.
Four years ago our friends had a new fitted kitchen. They bought a Samsung oven and an induction hob. The oven required 3 visits from an service engineer, but the hob only required one in the first few months after it stopped working completely. After threatening legal action they had both appliances replaced by Samsung. A few weeks later they had an unexpected delivery of a Samsung point-and-shoot digital camera, with a nice letter of apology about the cooker, explaining that the camera was a gift to help compensate them for their inconvenience - The camera stopped working 3 months later.
"And microwave ovens need only beep once, please."
I was genuinely impressed with one of swmbo's recent purchases, a washing machine that signals that it has finished by opening the door. A discreet click that can be heard from the next room; and if we missed that, we can see that the door is open. The only problem that I have with it is trying to remember whether it is open because it has finished a washing cycle - Or, if I had just left it open for ventilation...
I bought a new Mk1 VW Golf in 1978, possibly the nicest car I have owned. It was smallish, handled well, seated 4 comfortable;,and for its time fast and economical.
I'm retired now and don't travel far. My current car is a Polo, and is almost the same size as the Golf was. It's performance is similar, although it is heavier, its handling is a bit better and the fuel economy is better. One of the main differences is that, in real terms, it is a lot cheaper...
A friend believes that "adolescence" is the ages between 9 and 29.
The guardian.com HTTPS site died on me - Whoops, I have admitted that I look at the Guardian - Funnily enough it is one of the better sites for Australian news in Australia.
The one that surprised me was Microsoft's Outlook mail hosts falling over with my mail client.
I suspect that the SBS products were deliberately killed off. The big MS integrators hated them - Not enough ways to gouge unnecessary profit from SMBs - Why sell a simple reliable system with a single server to 10-40 seats when you could spec a separate domain controller, SQL server, Exchange server, file server, and back-up server? I have personal experience of an integrator supplying all of that equipment to a 15 seat not-for-profit, that I volunteered with, while I was on extended leave. Needless to say the system never worked properly because they had spent much of the budget on licences, so the hardware supplied was totally inadequate...
Now MS really want all their SMBs to use their cloud products, so don't expect any significant SBS products in the future.
Not sure if you were serious, or not; but if you were:-
iTunes =>Purchased =>Select All Tracks => Copy All; New Folder => Paste All.
Er, you can download an app from Apple without giving them your credit card details...
"You list Gates in there, but he's a software guy." Yes, but not so much as you might think - Paul Allen was the geekier, going back before MS, and before Traf-O-Data (their first company) when they were at Lakeside School. Bill was more the fortunate son of a wealthy and prominent lawyer; and a woman who was on the right not-for-profit boards with the right connections (like IBM's CEO John Opel). If you want to see how the world might have been, look up QDOS and Tim Paterson...
Bill was a very competitive, bright guy, who was in the right place at the right time, with the right contacts (which is often how successful people get ahead).
@Lars "Yes, but that is just because he refused to sell his shares in Apple Computer when Jobs desperately tried to buy them. As far as I have understood Woz was rather pissed off with Jobs efforts then." If you want to see a better example of how the business guy wanted to screw over the technical guy, a good summary is here: Business Insider Australia - Paul Allen and Bill Gates.
Writing this, I realized that I was around computing before most of this happened. So:-
An appropriate icon for an old fart with many Microsoft scars >>========> ^
@J. R. Hartley
I use DuckDuckGo with Safari, and find it's generally OK. If I need something better I use the it with a bang search (for an encrypted Google search type in !g "search terms" in the search/address bar).
'it's just a teardrop in the sea..."; or "will be lost in time, like tears in rain". Time (for Windows 10) to die?
...that there is not a post about the potential evils of corporatism hijacking the direction of kernel development - Red Hat and the evils of systemd comes straight to mind. Please don't suggest that forking will solve this; because it won't. "Big Company" can put sufficient money into projects that most other developers will just go with the flow, then when you have a mess of binary blob crap that has so many interdependencies that only "Big Company" can support it everyone will wonder how it happened.
"This is the UNIX philosophy: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." Quarter-Century of Unix (1994) - Peter H. Salus
An article in El Reg in Jan 2010 - "Monty's 'Save MySQL' mudsling... "after he asked for money then.
"A petition to stop Oracle taking over MySQL has garnered support from more than 15,000 people, after Michael ‘Monty’ Widenius launched his last gasp web campaign in December. The MySQL co-creator, who walked away from the database just seven months after Sun Microsystems bought it in September 2008 for $1bn, cobbled together a …" Here is my reply - I had hoped that Monty may have made enough money out of this by now.
Yes, indeed. That is <0.94 Million/hour. Before I retired, I would use SQLite, a simple serverless database engine, to prototype systems - According to their website sqlite.org: "Situations Where SQLite Works Well" "SQLite works great as the database engine for most low to medium traffic websites (which is to say, most websites). The amount of web traffic that SQLite can handle depends on how heavily the website uses its database. Generally speaking, any site that gets fewer than 100K hits/day should work fine with SQLite. The 100K hits/day figure is a conservative estimate, not a hard upper bound. SQLite has been demonstrated to work with 10 times that amount of traffic... The SQLite website (https://www.sqlite.org/) uses SQLite itself, of course, and as of this writing (2015) it handles about 400K to 500K HTTP requests per day, about 15-20% of which are dynamic pages touching the database. Each dynamic page does roughly 200 SQL statements. This setup runs on a single VM that shares a physical server with 23 others and yet still keeps the load average below 0.1 most of the time."
Perhaps the Census could have run two bare metal powerful servers to get a similar result, and saved >$8 Million?
I'd be seriously pissed.
Did you forget to post as an AC?
I'd do a bit more. Hide the task bar, change the desktop to a blue background, make sure that your common programs run in a full screen; and if asked about your snazzy system say that it is the new Windows 10 Anniversary Edition.