Re: What I'd like to see...
So huge they can fit a decent battery in it.
1243 posts • joined 22 Apr 2008
So huge they can fit a decent battery in it.
My note has had a 64GB card in it for a while now, so they do support the big cards.
Now there's a thing, all this talk of the S 4, nothing new on Note 3? That's what I'm waiting for at the moment....
@ Shades = "Anyway, can't see the point of apps like AdBlock taking up CPU time and consuming precious elecktrickery when a perfectly good, and frequently updated, hosts file does exactly the same job with either none or very, very little extra overhead."
It doesn't do the same job though. With hosts you block an entire host, not just the resources you don't want your browser to grab.
"Time to get into the 21st century and continuous compilation."
Central build servers, nightly builds and self-tests etc? Continuous integration I'm familiar with and like. Never heard of "Continuous Compilation" before.
Useful tools all, and I'm very much in favour of them. But surely this stuff doesn't negate the need for developers to make their own builds of experimental, unfinished code to test locally?
Why use an IDE? They're usually huge and heavy and (AFAICT) don't really gain you much.
"Why would you want to read or change code in something that can't then be used to compile and test that code without a lot of extraneous setup and inadequate debugging?"
You know the IDE doesn't compile things itself, right? It kicks off external tasks. And for debugging, well, gdb is all you need :)
A text editor with syntax highlighting and a left-panel directory browser, that's set up to fire off a build command with a keyboard macro is perfectly good for my uses. At this point it basically *is* an IDE. BUT it doesn't require a whole bunch of workspace files that can get corrupt or out of sync, and code folding is for chumps anyway. If your source file is that long it's probably time to split it.
"I'm sorry, but Eclipse isn't going to take that much longer to start on a decent machine than a Java-based text editor would."
LOL. Java based text editor! Silly rabbit.
"Yes, you do, but because you don't have a contract or SLA with them so they have every right to ignore you and do what they like."
Indeed, and if they do that they'll lose even more people to their competition.
It's in their interest to provide a good service, it's in my interest to moan about it or criticise them, it's in the public interest to know consumer opinions on services.... so why the hell do people say "top complaining it's free" ?
That's the only worthless part of the conversation AFAICT.
"Why to people moan when the service a company is giving them for free goes down for a bit. If you want something more reliable then go and pay for it."
Very, very faulty reasoning.
The company is making money out of me somehow, even if my eyeballs are the product it is selling to its real customers, the advertising industry. Whether I pay directly or indirectly I am part of the revenue stream, and I have every right to bitch about things to try and get them to fix them, or decide to take myself elsewhere and be part of someone else's revenue stream.
Because it's "in the cloud" that means NO OUTAGES EVER, right? This is just some minor behind-the-scenes issue that won't ever affect an end user because of SUPER CLOUD MAGIC!
But not many. That guy that was publishing people's stolen (or otherwise inappropriately used) nude photos on his website, for the purposes of exposing them to friends and family, and referring them to a 'legal firm' who could have them taken down for a fee. He springs to mind.
Oh, and Clarkson when he said "You can't do anything with these details anyway" :)
And I'm saying that, just like with the city, I have a very hard time believing many will *actually* leave, regardless of how talented they are.
I don't for a minute think that all the talent in the city will go if bonuses are capped, but I'll admit this is partially because I don't believe that there is much talent there in the first place. And I don't believe that Britain and the EU will find themselves bereft of talented photographers if/when these laws come in. I don't think the laws are right, but I don't think the doomsayers are right either.
This is the same nonsense spouted by the city. Even of the people that have the ability to do so very easily, few will *actually* leave. They'll just moan about it.
It is interesting though, that despite all the noise from consumers and the likes of the pirate party, the copyright laws being weakened are nothing to do with anti-circumvention devices or fair use - quite the opposite, it's allowing commercial use of unprotected work. Really quite backwards!
That all said, I fully support this as it applies to genuinely orphaned work - if there really doesn't seem to be anyone that holds the copyright for that 30-year old C64 game, I don't think think it should be an offence to download and play the thing. Other folks shouldn't really be allowed to charge for it either, mind.
"Not my problem."
Grandkids are of no interest to you then AC?
Nor leaving a habitable world behind for those that come after?
Fair enough if you're comfortable with that I suppose.
"Learn Linux before you come here to ask questions" type replies...
If you wander on to the LKML asking what a tar file is... I've personally not seen this sort of stuff on the ubuntu forums, which always pop up really early on in searches for information, and neither on the debian mailing lists where people will usually direct you to more appropriate resources.
Questions with no answers, sometimes after the asker restates the question the respondent thought was something else.
Err, sure, sometimes nobody knows how to answer a question, or the right person isn't reading that day, is this an example of rudeness and bad attitude?
"An aside here: the answer to "How do I fix my brand A stove" is NOT "You're using the wrong brand stove."
If you bought a Lexmark 'stove' it might be. There are some things that just won't work.
I'm talking about intermediate level questions, everyone wants to answer the real easy stuff.
They are mostly useless for the newbie,
What's an intermediate level question and why would a newbie be asking one?
"I'll gladly provide examples by the bushel if asked"
How many f*cking times do I have to ask?
"* The problem is not the OS. The problem is you. You are an idiot.
* I am not going to answer the question because it would be a waste of my time. I am instead going to explain why you are wrong to ask it in the first place. You are an idiot."
Where? Where is this happening? And no, this thread doesn't count because nobody has actually asked a question here.
Seriously, I've said it several times already in this thread, if you stick a query about basic linux stuff into google you will be bombarded with beginner-friendly information on the topic, forums full of patient explanations of the answer (or why you're looking for the wrong answer) and such stuff.
Sure, at the high levels, Linus throws a fit at some other deep-level kernel dev once in a while, or someone in the Linux camp has a flamewar with Theo de Raadt, or Lennart Poettering comes under fire for his latest idea. But at the use level, stick "what is a tar.gz" into google and you're bombarded with useful, entry-level info.
So... where's the beef?
Or is this really just an outdated perception problem?
You can call bullshit all you like, but there are a lot of us who have had less driver issues with linux than with windows over the last however many years.
Maybe not quite as much at the cutting edge of new stuff that manufacturers don't contribute to (thought that is getting better all the time) but many times I've had folks say "we got a new computer with that new Windows and the printer/scanner/webcam/whatever stopped working because there's no new driver for this version of windows". I've even heard of people installing old versions in VMs just to get hardware cooperating.
Whereas with linux the drivers are already present and just work.
After this conversation and what I've just been asked by a colleague I am starting to wonder if I'm the only one that knows about internet search engines -
"do you know how to add a column to this database table?".
"Hmm, not sure, never done it, probably something like alter table add column"
/me searches for 'add column mysql'
"Yeah, there it is, alter table add column"
"Is that 'add' 'column' with a space?"
???? Maybe it's just me
"Once again the point is that within two posts and not really knowing my level of experience you stated I must be incompetent and can't use Google."
No, I said if you've failed to get linux going in the last five years you must be incompetent and have trouble with google, which is what you seemed to be saying in your first post, that you'd walked away every time you tried. You then later said you didn't have this problem. Awesome, you aren't incompetent and you can use google.
"See how that looks? How would you feel 30 mins into a course learning something new and you were called incompetent in front of everyone on the course?"
You're not a beginner on a course though, or learning something new. You didn't ask a question about linux and you would have got a totally different reaction if you had. You came here to complain about things being hard, which they aren't. My point is that that knowledge is only a couple of clicks away and really, if you can't find out a few things like that off your own bat then why are you bothering?
"I have since stated I know how this stuff works but you still keep kicking me and reinforcing that less than tolerant attitude."
If you'd actually asked a question, rather than handing out a judgement and then playing the victim, we'd be having a completely different conversation. This is not intolerance of noobs, it's intolerance of people playing the noob so they have something to complain about.
"What I was after were the very reactions you provided to make my point. You succeeded admirably."
Would you like to review the conversation? This is how it's gone so far as I can tell:
"Articles written by experts are too advanced and people just walk away, I've tried. Here are some examples"
"The things you complained about there are not expert, they're trivial and if you can't find out how to do them yourself you probably shouldn't be in tech"
"Those questions I posted would be perfectly justifiable questions from a ex. Windows user moving to the Linux world."
"No, they're really not, and they've been answered all over the place, look, here is a wealth of beginner info on those topics"
"linux people are mean"
"Seriously, look, all over the internet, linux people being nice about beginner questions"
"You should be nicer to noobs"
"But your complaints are baseless..."
"See!" This is exactly what I was talking about"
So... sure, whatever, I'm keeping people away. People who can't use google apparently.
"But in future if people ask what you think are dumb noob questions, just count to three and imagine how you would like to be treated if you were say learning to fly.
Its all about learning a new OS. Not Officer and a Gentleman or Full Metal Jacket."
Seriously, the internet is full of this, these questions being answered with patience and understanding, over and over again. I wasn't kidding about the search before, there are 53 million results for what is a tar.gz file, a large number of which describe things in *exactly* the way you're talking about.
I'm really not sure what the issue is. Is google (or bing I suppose) not your first port of call when you face something you don't understand?
I know I've said you're probably incompetent if you claim to be a technical person and you can't figure out apt, but that's because I'm genuinely (seriously, genuinely and not cynically) mystified that someone is expressing a problem like this when the answers are milliseconds and a simple search query away.
What you seem to be missing is that it's only the people involved in technology, or with a close family member in the field to set things up for them, that can be bothered with the crap involved in dealing with Linux on a day to day basis. For everyone else, the it (mostly) just works aspect of Mac/Windows will always be far more appealing.
I'm not missing that at all, which is why you haven't seen me advocating that everyone and their cat should use it. If you don't like linux and don't want to use it that's fine with me. I won't be moving my mother to Ubuntu any time soon; we still haven't even managed to wean her off AOL yet (change is scary!), if the whole look of the desktop was different she'd probably just stop using the computer.
I just get irritated by people who try to say that (desktop) linux is somehow objectively bad because they had a hard time with it, then backing up their difficult experience with an anecdote about how incompetent they are.
desktop Linux has been a failure and it's better off focusing on server/embedded usage.
I don't, personally, equivocate between market share and success or failure. I use it every day as my primary OS. I also use commercial unix, BSD, windows and MacOS as appropriate to the situation and customer needs. Frankly none of them is that hard to use, but the sheer breadth of software available at the touch of a button with linux puts it streets ahead for my use. That is 'success' to me.
"Instead of just doing the Jackie Chan meme stance and shaking your head incredulously you could just go "Ahh yes a tar.gz, thats just a blah blah that allows you to blah blah, you don't really need to worry about them unless you want to blah blah, so maybe when you have a few more linux miles under your belt you can then try blah blah!"
"Ah yes, why isn't there just a simple installer file like you would have with Windows, that's a good question and I'm glad you asked me that. Well with Linux 99% of all the software you could ever need is actually tucked away in this really neat repository of software. It's like a large library of juicy free stuff that you just select from the menu and it all installs directly on your machine! Now isn't that really cool?""
Which is *exactly* what you get when you stick "what is a tar.gz file?" into google. I'm serious, try it. All of that stuff is in the results on the first page. Not seeing a problem here...
I'm sorry, but you want to "delve deeper" but you're complaining that you can't just double click and install a tar.gz file?
Firstly, if you google 'what is a tar.gz file?` you get 56 million pages back, the first being a detailed wikipedia entry on tar files.
Secondly, as tar.gz is an archive format (like zip, which you find out from the wiki page) you would know that it's not an installer and double clicking to install is not a reasonable expectation.
Third, if you double click on it on any recent linux it will pop up a GUI app showing you the file content, just like in windows.
Fourth, that first page of google results already has several forum entries about installation from archives, many of which give instructions and repeat the warning that it's probably not a good idea.
Think about going onto a Windows developer forum and asking "I've got this zip file from an unknown source on the internet, why won't it install when I double click?", is that a question from someone delving deeper or someone who hasn't even bothered plugging "zip file" into google?
"I do what with this tar.gz thing?" or "Why can't I just double click and install it rather than type all this guff into a terminal window?"
If your complaint is "it doesn't work exactly the same as windows", which it seems to be, then congrats you've totally missed the point.
Do iPads and Android tabs let you install random crap off the net without warning? No. Because downloading software from random places on the net and just installing it is a terrible idea. In desktop linux, same as on these other platforms, you go to the software store and install stuff. You should never be dealing with tar.gz's to install software unless you're playing with advanced, experimental stuff.
Maybe as Linux Experts you don't notice these things but trust me as I've tried on three or four occasions it's out there and it's no fun.
If you've tried and failed to get a linux system going in the last... 5ish years? Walk away from your tech career. Now.
"So you are supporting senseless file? They make it easier for the average user? That will help increase Desktop Linux uptake?"
I'm not sure how to interpret that. Is it English? The presence of question marks does indicate that there was a question in there somewhere, I have no idea what it might be though.
"Bingo. As I said, it needs to be installed or supported by a technical-elite.
You know that everyone without this support on hand absolutely hates computers regardless of OS? Because they're unreliable, or slow, or the printer stopped working, or suddenly I've got advertising popping up at me from nowhere, or there's no sound or....
"Any monkey any type 'apt-get install cutemonkeylollipops', figuring out the last bit is the tedious part.
Also, the package name isn't necessarily the same as the program/library name."
This is why software centre exists, and has its own search box, you know, for if googling a piece of software and then installing it by name is too hard for you.
" When you search for a windows program you inevitably have a download link right there in front of you."
This is a REALLY bad idea, and has trained windows users just to install crap from any old source. A major malware vector and part of the reason that those of us with some tech knowledge spend so much time cleaning up the computers of all our relatives.
"You missed the point of Linux not being suitable for non-techies and therefore will never succeed as an OSX/windows alternative for mum and dad."
You missed the point where you actually don't know what you're talking about and are making a mountain out of a molehill.
"I'm glad you're an apt-get expert"
I wouldn't put something so trivial on a cv. And I repeat, if you have trouble with this then you're not competent, that was not a joke or a dig at you.
"Which you have to do from the CLI. Epic fail, right there."
Assuming you're talking about Ubuntu upgrades - no, you can also use software centre. So FAIL yourself, idiot.
"A normal user will panic when they have to decide what filesystem, what size of partitions, what DE, what..."
Good job the 'auto' buttons on the installers work these days huh?
The ubuntu install and windows install are now very similar. It's just that most people will never see either one becaue their computers come preconfigured.
"When I need to install some program i also need to google for the inevitable ridiculous name, and google or that apt-get command. Please, no non-techie would put up with this. Linux is geared towards programmers and system builders, it always will be."
Seriously, "I need to google for a program" is a negative point?
Isn't this what you do to find software on *every* platform? Or have Microsoft invented some sort of direct brain-to-installer tech they haven't told us about? At least with linux you don't the have to then go to a random web page and download some untrusted binary from an unknown source and hand it the keys to the kingdom. And if you have trouble with apt on the command line I have two things to say to you -
1) Menu->Ubuntu Software Centre
2) If you genuinely can't handle command line apt then you're incompetent and should not be in a technology related career. I'm really not kidding here. What are you even doing reading the register? Doesn't it just fly over your head? You might be more comfortable going back to AOL.
On that last point I'm quite serious - if you're involved in technology in any way and you *genuinely* have trouble with modern linux, it might be time to rethink your career choice. It really is not hard.
Ok, I'll bite. Who does?
Well, nobody ... ? Isn't that kinda the point? That we need to sort our own house out before preaching too loudly to the rest of the world.
That really stuck out for me as well. It's sick enough when the British government have closed sessions and evidence the defendent can't see in terrorism cases, but for copyright infringment? What The Actual F*ck?
Perhaps there can be a system to tell Mr 40mph to get the %$^£ out of the middle lane because he's not overtaking anyone at that speed and is causing tailbacks halfway across the country....
Err, I'm not kidding myself about Australia, I was earning rather a lot there last year as a software guy. I basically got a 60% rise by moving over there from London. Sure the cost of living is high, but still. Now that I've come back I'm contracting because it's the only way to get a similar package (outside of the city)
If you want the money you need to either strike out on your own or (as you say) head for management or another country.
Striking out on my own has worked quite well so far, and I hope to start selling hot air before long. I shall need to increase the bean-quotient in my diet :)
When UK and Euro tech salaries catch up with those in the rest of the developed world, then I'll be quite happy to listen to their whining. All this is, as ever, is a plea for more cheap labour.
Tech careers are paid above average, but in general aren't compensated at anything like the value brought to the company and the money offered would be an insult to anyone in the US or Australia.
Useful for reverse engineering of all-in-one systems - use a multimeter to probe around for a likely looking serial/TTL-port, a soldering iron to attach some form of adaptor, see what the bootloader's up to....
Actual creation of stuff, no idea.
"if you don't understand what it's asking for and why, then say no"
That's easy enough for me, as a software engineer with an eye on security. Less so for the man on the street, or my mum (for instance). Not that she believes in these new-fangled mobile-telephones anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly. Installing apps on google play should not be a case of "this app needs access to <huge list of things that most folks don't understand at all>, continue or cancel?"
You obviously don't want to get into a Windows vista-esque game of popping up boxes every two minutes to ask for new permissions, but there's got to be a way to stop apps asking for the moon on a stick and the only other option being that you can't install them.
I know if you install cyanogen mod and some other thing (can't remember off the top of my head) there is a way to take perms away after install, and just live with the resulting stability, but this isn't for the non tech-inclined either.
What they really need is a better review process for the play store. I know, I know, this means there might be some delay getting the latest fart app published, but I think it might be worth it. At the very least you want someone semi-technical to cast their eye over the permissions list. Why does this wallpaper app need to be able to make calls? Why does this crappy game need access to your address book? Why does skype need to read my SMS inbox...?
"Not to mention the engineering clusters in the Midlands which make Derby the biggest exporter per capita in the entire UK."
Misread your post first time round there, as saying there was a big tech-cluster in Derby, now I see you mean there's a big engineering cluster and it could do with some complementary tech investment. Couldn't agree more. There are loads of places round the country that could benefit from this investment far better than London, which already has massive investment in tech in the form of the city (whether you agree with its aims or not).
I'm also sure there are more areas round the country than the ones I mentioned that are producing both new stuff and hard-working day-to-day useful software, in case I've offended anyone by missing them off :)
Don't be silly Chris, by the time the government funding runs dry, they'll have prepared enough marketing material and bought enough bubbly to secure the next round of VC funding. And when that starts to run dry, why they'll sell themselves to some big, established tech firm that's trying to lose its stodgy old-tech image, so the founders get a successful 'exit' and everyone goes away happy.
I mean apart from anyone who was expecting any useful, sustainable or profitable business from the arrangement.
Meanwhile the Cambridge area is spawning the actual high-tech innovation, and the M3 corridor continues to produce most of the software and services that actually get deployed and used.
But they're not cool so f*ck them.
I love their stuff but I must admit I'm starting to look for excuses not to buy Samsung any more, for this very reason.
No I'm not going to buy Apple either, but I will be looking out for opportunities to buy good stuff from neither of them as I really don't like the idea of any tech firm owning the whole landscape.
4) If you're referring to the Samsung/Google ARM chromebook and it's annoying sticky-out SD slot, and you're looking for a solution that doesn't stick out, may I recommend something like this - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-3-1-USB-Multi-functional-Adapter-Card-Micro-SD-Card-SDHC-USB-UK-/181076395412
(No, I'm not the seller)
You can cut the USB end off (it still works) and you end up with a half-length SD adaptor you can stick any old micro-sd into.
You are correct that it does depend how the SD slot is wired up. For instance ARM SoCs tend to have a dedicated SDIO bus that the slot is attached to, so it doesn't go via USB at all. My cheap-ass Exynos based Chromebook is wired up this way. (It also has USB 3 but I didn't want USB sticks jutting out the side)
I have no idea about the internal wiring of the new chromebook-pixel and what speed is available on the SD bus. To me it's far to expensive for a browser driven device anyway....
"and/or an up to 64 GB SD card, just as slow."
Actually, check out he Sandisk Extreme Pro series. They're already faster than most desktop hard drives and make a fine add-on. Also available in micro, but only up to 16GB. No doubt other manufacturers will catch up sooner or later and capacities will continue to grow.
As a contractor that is, if I'd known about farming stuff out I could just sit back and be a middleman.
The beer icon because, hell, I'd probably live in the pub if I actually did this...
Strictly they were all part of Rodinia as it was a previous supercontinent that significantly predates Pangaea...
But yeah, the article was confused and frankly whatever press release this lot and the beeb have picked up on was probably equally as confused because Rodinia was supposed to have broken up about 750 million years ago, not 80, so this landmass was likely also part of the other supercontinent(s) in between.
It probably sounds boring if you just say "sunken landmass with rock dating from Proterozoic times discovered".
The 15 euro 105 is a series 30 phone, not a winphone at all. The 109 is a series 40 phone. The reason the 105 is notable at all is that it is their new bottom-of-the-line featurephone and it has a colour screen, not because it's a windows device.
Which is a shame, at 15 quid I might have got one to have a look...
My old N900 had the whole world on it, not just a few choice sections. It was really useful when in the remote outback areas of Australia with no signal or data connection for days or weeks at a time. Can you do that with any other map system?
That said, they weren't so good at keeping up to date with new roads in Oz, and there were a lot of false positives in some of the more remote areas - tracks I was relying on that turned out to be old or 'management -only'
The insurance ones always amuse me.
We've tracked you looking at a bunch of car insurance sites so we've decided to advertise car insurance at you for the next two weeks.
Except of course that I was looking at car insurance sites because I was buying car insurance there and then. I am now the least likely person to care about your ads. Well done.
I've never seen the need for them and they are always almost exclusively about tracking.
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