I upgraded all my machines to 10 months ago, dunno what all the fuss is about ;)
113 posts • joined 24 Mar 2008
options, options, options...
Seems to me that MS is watching Apple fans pay an awful lot for not a lot and thinking "we can do with a bit of that, but we'll do it better" - hence making the smart, and quite pricey Surface machines. To be fair, their OEMs are banging out cheaper alternatives for consumers to look at. Makes sense for MS to set a high standard for OEMs to aspire to.
These are high end laptop ALTERNATIVES, if for whatever reason someone prefers a laptop, I'm sure Lenovo or some other company will be happy to sell you one.
I have a Surface 2 (non-pro) and I use it daily for consumer stuff, get home from work & sit on the sofa, grab the surface - perfect. Take it on short trips, bung it in the car - perfect. I don't take it to Starbucks like the Mac boys love to do, I have a Lumia for walking-mobile travel.
I also have a laptop - i use it for more productive stuff like video & photo editing, more serious office work and legacy apps - usually while sat a desk or at a table. This is now getting sold for a Surface Pro 3.
Interestingly, depending on how it works out, I might sell the Surface 2 and just keep the Surface Pro 3 for my sofa machine and my more serious machine... time will tell if it's as comfortable and small enough to be my consumer-friendly device too.
I think this is very cool stuff MS has produced and had Apple produced something similar, people would be falling over themselves to pay twice as much for half as little...
fine for me
I get on fine with windows 8, have it on 3pcs, a surface, a phone, no problems, thoroughly enjoy it, don't know what all the fuss is about. People really do hate change don't they.
The start menu will be making such a late come-back that it will be forgotten by then, clever to release rumours of it's return to shut the moaners up though.
yes, yes, I do get it, got it, and I do agree with all of that.
However, the fact that "Technet never allowed you to use those products in production environments" is the point you need to look at because in reality, even though it's 'not allowed', I bet there are tons of people who ARE probably using TechNet as super-cheap way to install bread n butter apps like Windows & Office and also use all the other software they want for long periods of time... (years).
So, basically, everyone who has been using this 'loophole' to use Microsoft products for tiny prices (i.e. the price of a TechNet subscription for Windows, Office, & half the catalogue etc.), now actually have to go and pay for licences!
Whoah! who'd have thought that this would ever happen?!
Any business getting blatantly rinsed by its 'customers' would shut that door.
You can still test the products for 90 days, but now you have to actually buy a licence to use their products.
(or club together with your mates and buy an MSDN sub!)
why do people have such an obsessive requirement for old technology?! Move with the times, the start orb is gone and the metro / modern start button is here to stay. No doubt i'll get voted down, but that's the truth so deal with it!
It's a bit like people still wanting to use XP - i dont get that at all, you're 3 O/S's behind now! keep up! Change is good and it isn't going to stop!
i think that's the thing...
loads of people on here spouting about it failing not being good - have you actually USED WP7 for any decent amount of time!?
I've had the Samsung Omnia 7 since the day they were released and now on the Lumia 800 - I am sticking with WP7/WP8.
Actually go and try it - you might think differently about iOS or Android!
not really fair...
To whoever wrote the article: it's not really fair to quote that "You see your iSCSI Initiator, your ODBC Data Sources and all your uninstallers" etc, as the only reason you can see them on your machine is that you have turned on the "show admin" tools in the "metro start settings" - this is obviously purely so you can write drivel like this! Which poweruser is going to want to run admin tools from Metro?! Certainly no 'consumers' will either...
if you want admin tools you can run them from the desktop, win+r, or right click the start icon and control panel... a much better way and of course doesn't put them in the metro interface.
Sort it out!
it's very obvious after a short while of using it...
99% of the time on a PC or laptop, you'll be in the desktop environment (i mean, how often do you need the start button now anyway on a regular machine)...
99% of the time on a touch pad or phone you'll be in the touch zone (metro), it's simplistic and easy to use, much like the 5 fingers attached to your hand... the precision that a mouse provides is just not there in the touch zone as our fingers are too clunky... plus the requirement to be precise in this zone is also not required - users want email, internet, photo's etc, not CMD prompts, MMC's, office docs etc...
And there we have it. It's all a bit scary at the mo as we work out what we're meant to be doing, but fill the taskbar up with icons on the desktop, load the metro-start page up with tiles and then use it... it will make sense.
I love it :)
Personally i think WP7 wins everything hands down! I have used (and owned most) of all others and am more than happy with WP7 for the foreseeable future - it's completely re-thought and totally modern compared to some of the more aging O/S's out there...
The main thing is with WP7 - actually go and try it. If you use it (for more than a day, not just 2 mins) you'll likely be hooked...
here's an idea...
just leave the laptop on sleep when u go to work (plug it into the wall if you have too) and then wake from sleep when you get home! takes all of...ooo 1 second!
why are people still shutting down and booting up every day!!!!???
my laptop (new toshiba satelite r830-143 will happily last nearly all week in sleep mode and is always on the coffee table when i come home to use it.... and guess what it's a 5400 spinning disk... (640gb to add, like to see ur SSD do that!!)
I think with Win8 they have a good foundation for phone, tab, pc, xbox/home theatre, all under one 'windows' roof, all looking quite similar & familiar and working on all devices.
So maybe having a family of stuff is better than bits and pieces.
We shall only really see their plan in full in 12 - 18 months from now.
True it's going to be a bit late, but there's a lot of future out there... i don't expect any tech from today to be around in 10 years time, so that must mean there's more competition to come!
i am actually being serious - Windows is what i use day in day out, i don't touch anything else - i genuinely do think it's gonna be really good! Not trolling in the slightest!
If i were trolling i would say something like "well Lion is gonna make Win8 look pathetic etc etc"