* Posts by Ilsa Loving

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Bring me your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to see behavioural advertising

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Facebook has a "striped down" app?

What, it's only 1/2 a gigabyte instead of 3/4?

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Brit MP Dorries: I gave my staff the, um, green light to use my login

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Not surprising

As horrific as this is, it doesn't surprise me.

Politicians are are still people. And for years the general accepted rules for password management have encouraged ridiculous policies that virtually guaranteed that these kinds of issues would occur.

Even the original author (sorry forgot his name now...) has gone so far as to apologize for his original recommendations because they've done overwhelmingly more harm than good.

What this story tells me is that their IT policies desperately need an update. Preferably one that doesn't require people to change their passwords every 30 days, and focus on longer but more easily typeable and memorable passwords.

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The End of Abandondroid? Treble might rescue Google from OTA Hell

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Will this help current phones?

I am assuming that, while this new architecture is good, it won't help current and past phones. This is the architecture Google should have implemented on day one, not 10 years later, after "Landfill Android" became an official term.

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Parity: The bug that put $169m of Ethereum on ice? Yeah, it was on the todo list for months

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Jeebuz....

"However, rather than just having more audits, we strongly believe that more extensive and formal procedures and tooling around the deployment, monitoring and testing of contracts will be needed to achieve security. We believe that the entire ecosytem as a whole is in urgent need of such procedures and tooling to prevent similar issues from happening again, in particular if and when the number and complexity of live contracts grows."

Gee, ya f__king think? It didn't occur to you *before*, that top notch security would be necessary in order to reliably handle other people's money?

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US trade cops agree to investigate Apple's 'embrace and extend'

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I hope Apple loses big time

The fact of the matter is that Apple's mechanism for screen sharing is, quite frankly, crap. RDP is infinitely better, for a variety of reasons, the most important of which (IMO) is that the resolution of your display is based on your local client, not the resolution of the mac you're connecting to.

I'd been looking around for an RDP based screen server for Mac, and was disappointed I couldn't find one. Now I know why.

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Donald Trump's tweets: Are they presidential statements or not?

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Not so difficult to me

He is speaking from a position of power. He makes no effort to draw a clear line between "personal" and "POTUS" therefore it's only reasonable to assume that they're all "POTUS".

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Apple succeeds in failing wearables

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You may be able to take your pulse, but you can't do it continuously, and record the data for further analysis.

It's a niche use case, but a device that can handle that use case well will be very valuable to those that need/want it.

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My biggest concern with the iWatch is battery life. Batteries lose the ability to hold charge over time, and if you can only get 1 day worth of life when you've first taken it out of the box, how much life will the watch have a year or two from now? I'm not one of those people that is willing to drop large quantities of money on updated accessories, so I expect my watch to have a generous life span.

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User asked help desk to debug a Post-it Note that survived a reboot

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Re: PBKAC

Way back when a manager was complaining he couldn't log into his laptop. It just wouldn't accept his password. After spending more time than I care to admit checking the caps lock, watching him type, etc, I discovered that he had somehow managed to hit the num lock function, which turned half his qwerty keyboard into a ersatz number pad. After figuring out how to disable it again (as I had never in my life used it once), he was able to log in again.

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Squeezing in little Quake between builds? Not any more: Facebook Bucks up Java compile tool

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Shit code

Maybe if they didn't write such mindbogglingly shit code, they wouldn't have issues with compile times being so long. I mean, honestly, the facebook and messenger together are approx 750mb. What in the name of $DEITY and all that is holy did they have to do to bloat their apps up that much?

Their applications are proof that they don't actually know how to write code, and anything they make available should very carefully evaluated before used by others.

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Don't worry about those 40 Linux USB security holes. That's not a typo

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Who cares about the USB issues...

How do you make those adorable penguin appetizers? I'm guessing carrots and olives... and... cream cheese?

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Kubernetes bug ate my banking app! How code flaw crashed Brit upstart

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I wonder...

I wonder if they're also using NoSQL databases for their back end? ACID compliance? We don't need no steenking ACID compliance!

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First iPhone X fondlers struggle to admit that Face ID sort of sucks

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Less gimicks, more stability

I wish Apple would go back to making a robust product instead of coming up with goofy gimicks. There are advanced facial recognition systems out there that cost millions of dollars and arn't completely reliable. It's arrogant for Apple to think they can get it working in a $1000 phone. It's a completely unnecessary feature that causes more problems than it solves, IMO.

Meanwhile, I have had more problems with iOS 11 than I *ever* had with *any* previous version of iOS. I had to do a factory reset just to get my Beats BT headphones working properly again. I mean, come on, an apple phone having issues with apple headphones? Really?

Meanwhile the Hey Siri feature has been completely broken with my car whereas it had worked perfectly in iOS 10. And Apple's support response was, "It's up to other vendors to be compatible with us." Yeah, I'll just rip out the entire stereo of my car and replace it then. TYVM.

I think it's time Apple stopped being "courageous" with their product lines and go back to making products that weren't crap.

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Don't put your Node out of joint: Version 8 of JS toolkit now in LTS mode

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"Long Term"

How exaclty does 18 months count as "long term"? I have jars of condiments in my fridge that last longer than that.

This just makes me even *more* nervous about NodeJS, in that it is so unstable that 18 months is the best they can hope to achieve for some kind of stable release.

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How to make your HTML apps suck less, actually make some money

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I am guessing some kind of porting libraries.

I would guess that the original code was written for Android as Java, and then ported to iOS as an afterthought. So its possible that there's a huge pile of libraries added in to support running the app in iOS without the developer needing to go through a huge redevelopment effort.

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Resellers on Surface: Yeah, go ahead and kill it. What do we care...

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Re: Who Is Buying Surface ???

> Segue to a generic rant how I'm ever more reluctant to buy a new product because I don't know if it will be around very long.

This is why I won't consider one. It's a nice enough device, but a) it runs Windows 10 which Microsoft has done a fantastic job of making me despise with all my being, and b) Microsoft has not been able to put out one single product this past decade that they haven't subsequently stabbed people in the back with.

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Re: In another thread...

Considering that it has an intel processor in it and touts paintshop pro, it's most likely windows. AFAIK there is no android version of PSP.

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Onwards to Valhalla: Java ain't dead yet and it's only getting bigger

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Cave Johnson here...

I'll be honest, we're throwing Java at the wall here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do. Probably nothing. Best-case scenario, you might get some superpowers. Worst case, some tumors, which we'll cut out.

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Open-source storage that doesn't suck? Our man tries to break TrueNAS

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Re: Fail over?

>There is a heartbeat. The failover is pretty quick and seamless. I have been running one for almost 2 years now, and have only failed over intentionally. When I did fail over, no one but me knew it even happened. I'm running around 30 VM's on mine.

Would you mind sharing some details and rough costs of your setup? I'm currently investigating upgrade options, and your situation sounds similar to mine.

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The URL of sandwich: Microsoft Office blogs redirect snafu foils users

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Why would anyone use Azure?

It makes me wonder why anyone in their right might would use Azure, seeing how Microsoft can't seem to go a week without something major going belly up. If they can't keep their own infrastructure running, why would anyone trust them with their own?

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At last, someone's taking Apple to task for, uh, not turning on iPhone FM radio chips

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No headphone jack

Suddenly the inexplicable desire to exclude the headphone jack makes sense.

Apple et al can now honestly say that there's no point enabling the FM chip since there's no longer a way to connect an antenna. Before, they had no leg to stand on because there was absolutely nothing preventing them from enabling the functionality apart from greed.

This is feeling like the whole "IE is a part of Windows" thing all over again.

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Mac High Sierra hijinks continue: Nasty apps can pull your passwords

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Re: Plaintext passwords??

They are not stored in plaintext. The issue is that once the keychain is unlocked (which happens automatically when you log in, there's not a lot stopping programs from accessing it.

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Apple bumps up price on iPad Pro as flash costs climb

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Re: Cupertino Idiot Tax

Apparently the anti-Apple circle jerkers are out in force lately. It seems that anyone who refuses to soundly denounce Apple as the next antichrist is getting downvoted to heck.

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Don't get a cheap android

Don't do it. Just don't. You will regret it.

I've tried several 'cheap' tablets, and they proved that the "Landfill Android" moniker is justly deserved. They were barely suitable for even the most basic purposes. A couple were so bad that they weren't even good enough to suffice as a basic e-reader. You're also virtually guaranteed to get zero updates. What you got in the box is what you're stuck with.

There have been some important changes in the droid-verse since I last used one... The latest versions of android are significantly improved, especially in the realm of power/process management. Also, there is now an official-ish agreement between several of the major manufacturers to provide at least a couple years worth of updates. I can't remember the details, and they still don't come close to the avg 5 years of updates that Apple provides, but the situation is a heck of a lot better than it used to be.

Oh, another nice feature in recent androids... If your device supports SD cards, you can configure the device to (essentially) group the storages together into one cohesive volume, so you no longer have to play the "Can I move this app to my sd card?" game.

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Apple's 'shoddy' Beats headphones get slammed in lawsuit

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Re: People compare apples to oranges, as usual

Ok, at least now we're in the same territory. Now how well do they actually work? (Also, those are still over-head headphones, which make it impossible to wear a bicycle helmet)

I've bought many pairs of sub $100 BT headsets over the years. I had subsequently given up and written off the entire technology because Every. Single. One. Failed. The audio quality was barely better than radio. And that assumed I could maintain a connection at all. The only way I could have reliable connectivity was if I kept my phone within 2-3 feet of the headphones, unobstructed (ie: having the phone in my pants pocket was enough to disrupt signal).

I took a chance on a pair of BeatX headphones, and they are the very first BT headphones I have *ever* owned, that didn't give me grief. Were they expensive? Yes. But I have cumulatively spent 3 times that amount over the years on crap "inexpensive" headsets that I ultimately binned. In fact, the only way I've been able to cause connection issues was to stand near an electrical room that puts out almost enough RF to light a florescent bulb.

So go on and be snide. But the facts speak for themselves.

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People compare apples to oranges, as usual

In the words of Arnold, this appears to be a "teachable moment".

I'm not going to touch on the merits of the case because I don't know the details and so have nothing useful to add in that regard.

But FFS people, think for a minute before you compare a set of $50 set of *wired, over-the-head, heavy* headphones to a $200 set of *bluetooth, over-the-ear, lightweight* headphones. Telling someone that who wants one kind of headset that they are a moron because they don't want a completely different kind of headset does nothing more than point out the stupidity of the person offering the "advice".

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Unloved Microsoft Edge is much improved – but will anyone use it?

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They won't come just cause you build it

All the problems with Edge arn't technical. One, Windows 10 only. They've instantly limited adoption right there. No one is going to switch to Windows 10 *just* to use Edge.

The bigger reason, IMO, is that it's a Microsoft browser. Microsoft basically did everything they could to destroy the internet with Internet Explorer. They specifically sought out to bankrupt Netscape with it through all sorts of underhanded means.

Recent history has shown that Microsoft hasn't learned a damned thing, and so I refuse to give them the opportunity to try again.

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Couple fires sueball at Amazon over faulty solar eclipse-viewing goggles

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Go back to Brick and Mortar

While Amazon et al are very enticing, especially for harder to find or bulk items, I prefer to stick with brick and mortar stores, or at least well established online stores like NewEgg (buying directly from newegg, not their other vendors) for most things.

Yes, it costs more. But I also have someone to contact if something goes wrong. There is someone on the other end with a reputation to uphold, for which it's in their best interest to do a good job. They can't just close up shop and reopen under a new name when they piss off too many people. Or at least, it's a whole lot harder.

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Official: Windows for Workstations returns in Fall Creators Update

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Re: What about auto-updates?

As far as people resisting Windows updates - ask yourself: why is that? Perhaps these people were burned by an update gone awry before, and are now more afraid of the O/S vendor than of viruses and ransomware. That's not a pretty thought, is it?

How do I upvote something multiple times? When my Mac or my Linuxes boxes have updates, I never hesitate. Windows updates scare the crap out of me. We had an entire set of Lenovo "Made for Windows 10" laptops go belly up when Microsoft release their stupid Anniversary Update. All the users lost at least half a day trying to recover their machines, which for most of them involved rolling back the update. One user's laptop needed to be reimaged completely. Thanks to that little episode, I have outright banned Windows 10 at our workplace. I am going out of my way to find non-Win10 boxes and will continue to do so until I have no other choice. At which point I'm going to start calling Microsoft support frequently and demanding free support.

*I* am the sysadmin here. *I* am responsible for these machines, that means *I demand* control of them. If Microsoft wants to control my computers, then they damn well have to take responsibility for them too. They don't get to have their cake and eat it too.

At this point I use Windows 10 for exactly one purpose: To run a gaming laptop, because that's all Windows 10 is good for. Any time I need to do real work, I switch to a Mac or Linux box.

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It's fluffy bottom line time at Adobe. That's a good thing, if you were wondering

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Weaning off

Unless you're a massive creative house, the best option I see is to wean people off piecemeal. Part of it involves education because a lot of people don't even realize that alternatives exist. Part of it also identifies "low hanging fruit", ie: people who simply don't need any unique features exclusive to Adobe.

For us, for example, we have several users who need to do some basic PDF manipulation. I could be spending $100/month just on acrobat licenses alone, but instead I pointed them to PDFElement by Wondershare (https://pdf.wondershare.com/). It does everything they need and for a fraction of the price.

For Illustrator and Photoshop, there's a rising star called Serif who put out Affinity Designer and Affinity Photo. They're not quite as full featured as the Adobe equivalents, but they are priced downright cheap compared to Adobe. Importantly, there are both Mac and Windows versions, allowing for interoperability between platforms.

People have also mentioned Paint Shop Pro, which is also a perfectly good piece of software. It's Windows only, unfortunately, but if you're a Windows-exclusive shop, then this is another option. IIRC it even supports photoshop plugins.

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So despite all the cash ploughed into big data, no one knows how to make it profitable

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Marketing trumps Technology

I think this is one of the rare Register articles where the commenters provide valuable insights and really complement the article. Props to Andy and Shameless in particular.

Big Data. The Cloud. AI. XML.

Every major technology that comes about goes through this massive bubble cycle where marketers et al try to convince the world that this New Thing(tm) is a magic bullet that will solve all their problems.

Worse is when the term is a co-op of existing technology, which then turns into background noise because said term is abused to the point of being nonsensical. I mean, what the hell IS "The Cloud" for example? No matter where you look, someone comes up with a new definition that just happens to help them peddle whatever widget they're peddling.

And now everyone is going crazy over Hadoop and Big Data. even when it's not even remotely appropriate, because they read about it in a magazine as the "Next Big Thing" and wanted in on the bandwagon.

Hadoop is a surprisingly powerful technology, but you have to fit the tool to the need, like every other tool ever conceived.

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Apple gives world ... umm ... not much new actually

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Re: Sign of a mature market?

It's a sign that Apple is now being run by a pointy-haired MBA that has no vision beyond maximizing dongle revenue.

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TRUMP SCANDAL! No, not that one. Or that one. Or that one. Or that one.

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Why bother?

I dunno why anyone would bother hacking any of Trump's stuff. All they got to do is wait and someone will leak the information anyway.

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Nokia's retro revival 3310 goes on sale and disappears immediately

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744 hours standby time?!

Daaaamn, with that kind of battery life, you have to wonder how many *minutes* that sale lasted before the phones were gone. I'm guessing 10.

This is the kind of phone I want when the zombie apocalypse happens. If I can't get a signal, I can still beat the zombies to death with the phone.

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Intel pitches a Thunderbolt 3-for-all

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@GingerOne

It's an easy mistake to make, because in the past, Intel would give Apple exclusive rights to the tech for the first few months before letting anyone else use it. Thunderbolt has always been an Intel standard, and actually an excellent standard, but the amount of money that Intel tried to extort from people basically guaranteed that nobody other THAN Apple would use it.

USB-C is the next-gen USB. Thunderbolt is essentially an external PCI-E bus, so it can handle essentially any sub-protocol you want, whether it's displayport, HDMI, USB, Ethernet, X-modem, or whatever.

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Re: A few things--a Luddite rants..

Got some room on your lawn? I brought my own cane.

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Re: one physical connector to rule them all

SCSI-1 was a perfect example of how badly people could fuck things up, and that was just between SCSI and printer ports.

USB-C/TB3 is a bloody nightmare, because the best you can do is trust that the entire chain of vendors all collectively know what they're doing.

Anyone who was born more than 5 minutes ago would know what a good idea (not) that would be.

It's a great idea in concept, but I'm going to wait for reality to come crashing down first before I start depending on USB-C gear.

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Windows 10: Triumphs and tragedies from Microsoft Build

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What carrot and stick approach?

How in the name $DEITY and all that is holy can you call Microsoft's antics a "carrot and stick" approach?

It's more like a "hold a gun to your head" approach. It's now virtually impossible to get computers that do not have Windows 10. If you want to use the latest hardware, you MUST use Windows 10 because Microsoft has decreed that not only will Windows 7 be unsupported, but they're actively sabotaging updates, in direct violation of their promise to support Windows 7 until 2020.

Windows 10 could have been a colossal success. Technologically, it's pretty solid. But the way Microsoft rolled it out, and all the shenanigans they've played to the detriment of consumers, completely undo any good will they might have eeked out. If anything, Microsoft's idiocy is pushing people away from PC even more than before.

Microsoft have shot themselves in the foot so often and so badly, that I think they're now having to shoot their thighs cause there's nothing left below.

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PC repair chap lets tech support scammer log on to his PC. His Linux PC

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Re: The beauty of virtual machines

RE: Question about virtual machines

That is what's called a Type 1 hypervisor. It runs a top layer that has only enough to it to manage virtual machines. Examples include Citrix Xenserver and VMWare ESXi. As you surmised, it is literally a super-tiny OS that only has enough smarts to initialize the hardware, let VMs use that hardware, and provide a management API. They are typically used in server workloads, where the whole point is to share the hardware among a large number of applications that you want to run completely isolated, and the machine itself would be used for no other purpose than hosting those virtual machines.

This is as opposed to a Type 2 hypervisor, which is a virtualization layer that runs on top of an existing operating system. Examples include VMWare Workstation, VirtualBox, and Parallels. These are typically used by end-users who need to run additional environments on top of their existing OS. For example, a Mac user that needs to run a Windows application but doesn't want to dual-boot or have a second machine. Another common example is a developer who is developing an application in Windows, but needs to test against a linux environment.

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Re: The beauty of virtual machines

Note to self: Don't hire Steve Button for anything computer related, since he's demonstratively proven he doesn't understand the even the most basic of VM settings.

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On today's a-gender: Axing net neutrality will harm America's women, say women senators

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Don't see how that letter helps

While it may be entirely true that women disproportionally benefitted indirectly from Net Neutrality, I'm not sure that this is a good avenue to take. We already know that Republicans couldn't give a flying rats ass about women, so if they were hoping that this letter would accomplish anything, they wasted their time.

They should stick to the general case, which is that removing Net Neutrality will decimate small internet businesses, who don't have the capital to pay the inevitable bribe money that ISPs will demand to make sure their data isn't throttled badly.

That's a nice business you have there. Would be a shame if people couldn't get to it, know what I mean?

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Well, hot-diggity-damn, BlackBerry's KEYone is one hell of a comeback

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Critical question

There's one critical question I'm not seeing covered anywhere:

Will it get OS updates, or will Blackberry leave people out to dry once they have your money, like 90% of other android manufacturers do?

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Linux Mint-using terror nerd awaits sentence for training Islamic State

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Re: Trump had better hurry up and ban Mint

> And don't forget Trebor, Polo, Fox's, Tic-Tac etc.

On the upside, that means distros like Hannah Montana Linux and Biebian (Justin Bieber Linux) would also be cut at the knees too. So I guess it wouldn't be all bad.

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Scratch the Surface: Slabtop sales slump takes the shine off Microsoft's 2017 so far

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Trust? Really?

> "I'm proud of the progress this quarter," he said. "Organizations are turning to Microsoft as a partner they can trust."

As usual, Microsoft is copying Apple and as usual, they screw up the job. Hey Nutella, the Reality Distortion Field is supposed to point towards your customers. You're not supposed to suntan yourself with it!

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Series of Seagate missteps as revenue generator spins down

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Never buying Seagate again

IMO, Seagate hadn't been wrong with the whole hybrid drive thing. Being able to store a whackton of data, while accelerating the most accessed stuff, was a great in-between HDD and full SSD.

The problem was that the amount of flash they put on the drive was so tiny that was barely enough to cache anything. And if you rarely rebooted, your OS would still take forever to reboot since it didn't get flagged for caching.

Worse still, their drives were so god damn unreliable as to be a pitiful joke. I literally went through 4 of them in a 6 month period. One new plus multiple replacements, and every single one failed in shockingly short order. Eventually I just gave up. And this is on top of all the various other seagate drives I had that all failed. Literally every single one. The most I got out of a drive was 2, possibly three years. By comparison, I have countless (Well not countless, but I can't be bothered to do so) WD drives that have been going for many years now and they're still going strong.

And my experiences have been echoed by pretty much every person I know.

So their overall strategy may have been bad. It may have been good. But it really doesn't matter because Seagate has managed to build such a solid reputation for unreliability that no one in their right mind would buy their stuff. I don't care if Seagate says it's drives can eject dollar bills every RPM. I still wouldn't buy them, cause it would still end up failing before I recouped the cost of the drive.

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Stanford Uni's intro to CompSci course adopts JavaScript, bins Java

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Not necessarily bad

My initial knee-jerk response to this was, "WTF, are you kidding me? How is javascript a good language to learn on?"

But if I think about it, and as others have mentioned, the language you learn doesn't really matter because it's the concepts and techniques that are important. The language is secondary.

Additionally, Javascript is (unfortunatley) becoming a dominant language, despite the fact that it's a god-awful pile of shit. That means we can expect even more lousy, security-nightmare code. If Javascript becomes front and center in Comp Sci curriculums, then people can at least be taught to code more defensively and be mindful of Javascripts sometimes unbelievable quirks.

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Game authors demand missing ZX Spectrum reboot royalties

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Technically correct

> RCL insists it never refuses a request for a refund.

They can't refuse if they don't respond!

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Ex-IBMer sues Google for $10bn – after his web ad for 'divine honey cancer cure' was pulled

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Re: They walk amongst us

"Offer some promise..."

The article you cite also points out that the quality of the majority of those studies are essentially crap.

Furthermore: http://thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(05)67177-2/abstract

"When account was taken for these biases in the analysis, there was weak evidence for a specific effect of homoeopathic remedies, but strong evidence for specific effects of conventional interventions. This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects."

While I understand your frustration with conventional medicine (you certainly seem to have been on the receiving end of a shocking amount of incompetence), your are making a logical faux pas that I see very often. Just because conventional med has failed you, doesn't automatically mean homeopathy is better. Indeed, I am basically your opposite. I had a family member who waffled on proper medical treatment and instead chased after one sham after another. The end result was that he died, painfully and miserably, and put the family into a terrible debt in the process.

(Also, regarding your goat's warts, it's impossible to comment since there's no way of knowing exactly what you gave them. For all we know the warts receded for the simple reason that they got a good wash with clean water.)

Conventional medicine isn't perfect. It never will be. But it *does* improve, because it is real science. Homeopathy is *not* science. It would be just as effective to go on one of those televangelist shows and have the preacher wallop you in the forehead. The problem with placebo is that it is a very real phenomenon. The body is a remarkable machine that can do a surprisingly amount of things, which is why we arn't even close to completely understanding it. And the more we learn, the more humbling the experience. (If you compare attitudes today to attitudes from several decades or centuries ago, the difference in confidence is striking). But it's also why placebo is the benchmark for drug studies. If a drug is unable to do better than placebo, then the drug is classified as worthless, as it should be. This is why homeopathy is considered worthless: Because it does nothing that the body itself can't already do itself. All you are doing is shelling out money for very expensive theatre.

Where my blood begins to boil, is when these charlatans claim that their theatre rivals actual medicine, and people get sick and/or die as a result. Thanks to antivaxxers (which overwhelmingly overlap homeopathists by demographic) efforts to destroy herd immunity , we are now seeing resurgences of diseases that were all but eliminated in North America, such as measles.

This hurts not only the antivaxxer population, but it also hurts the people who are forced to intermingle with them. A virus won't care if you are an antivaxxer or if you have a genuine allergy to a component in a vaccine. All it sees is an opportunity to infect, so herd immunity is critical for these vaccines to protect a population. But there's no way to sue someone for infecting your child with polio, so this nonsense gets to continue. Meanwhile the poor kid gets to be debilitated for life due to no fault of their own.

So yes, placebo "medicine" *does* have a cost beyond the sticker price. Just because you arn't the one that has to pay it doesn't mean there are no consequences.

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Re: But seriously though folks....

Unfortunately there is lots of precedent for charlatans to get their way. The most obvious one, of course, being homeopathy. For some inexplicable reason people are allowed to sell magic water that can cure everything from warts to quadriplegic paralysis.

And never mind the barking mad anti-vaxxers (who tend to be within the same circles as the homeopathists) who flat out lie to get people to stop vaccinating.

Both groups have killed more than a few gullible people, children in particular. And lets not get started with all the other nonsense like acupuncture, cupping, subluxationists, and the countless other nonsense people peddle on the desperate.

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