A reasonable discussion ending in a mutually beneficial agreement
The Dev in the article is right. They DEFINETELY are not Oracle.
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However theres no way they wont have 224 million legs to stand on. Best he can hope for there is a settlement that doesnt admit liability.
The other guy however, how do you sue a guy in prison who likely has no assets left after the government seized it all?
and so apparently do PR people wishing to assure us that they're not just corporate shills paid to lie through their teeth on behalf of an organisation.
when Facebook do it, i recognise its because I am the product. When a Telco does it, even after I explicitly tell them not to, I recognise its a failing of law and I expect to see a massive Sueball launched about this shortly.
Based on this article, we have a QC that has no understanding of how the internet works, defending a company that absolutely should know how the internet works, and has chosen to ignore security concerns from someone who knows how the internet works, and then gone out of their way to get rid of the person in their firm, which produces a product that works on the internet, who knows how the internet works.
I would particularly enjoy seeing this firm announcing in 12 months time that its database had been hacked and using the excuse "Well the hackers found a way in, but we dont know how because the database doesn't show up on google".
Trump is stupid enough to use non encrypted, non government issue phones, I wonder if any of the Telco's have sold his location data, amongst other things.
Oh and why do Senators think they can stop this? Theres a shitload of business in selling on location and tracking data, its arguably one of the fastest growing fields in Telecoms. And with Ajit Pai telling them they can do whatever the hell they like (whilst doing dancing/singing numbers on Youtube), the FCC wont do anything.
The Senator in Question should be chided for believing that when someone said "Im going to stop doing a thing that is literally making me millions of dollars a year, because youre annoyed at it" they might actually be lying through their teeth.
He's a politican for gods sake. If anyone knows how to spot a liar (and be an exceptional one) its this guy.
I've seen people saying "this is the death of Tumblr" in a lot of locations, but its not.
Myspace dragged its broken carcass around for another 4 or 5 years after people stopped using it, people were convinced it still had value. There's no question someone will be dumb enough to buy Tumblr after a few years and attempt a huge relaunch which will fail because there's nothing it offers that doesnt involve hosting porn.
It should finally get shut down in 2023
Judging by my testing of this last night, Tumblr simply picked up dozens of words which relate to sex or sexual content and just blocked all searches on them. The pages are still there, you just cant find them using the search function.
I wonder if after this "Scrub" they'll still be there, just unable to update, hanging about like a fart in an echo chamber
If I was entirely cynical (and I am), I would say that they will string the process out, oppose any attempts to remove them, go through the court system if possible to prevent themselves being removed, sue the company if it does successfully remove them, and generally do whatever they can to avoid being disqualified as directors due to their conduct.
This company will be dead in a year, but the lawyers will be feasting on its corpse for the next 2-3 years.
I do believe filing incorrect accounts (knowingly) is a criminal offence. That should be interesting if the courts have one version and Companies House have another.
That said, it could be argued successfully that one is an interim set of accounts, and one is the verified set of accounts, etc etc. There is a ton of wiggle room here legally.
As much as I would like to share your opinion, my background was in IT and is now in Finance.
And this kind of behaviour from small enterprises, formed with good intentions but moving swiftly into crisis control, is pretty much the norm. I would assume only the goodwill of Sir Clive has kept the business from being immediately moved into administration, although today's decision to hold and AGM and remove the directors indicates that is the path they are going down.
Its sad. I am a huge Spectrum Geek, it was my 2nd computer after a ZX81 and I learned to write in Basic & Machine Code (on a Butlins holiday) so it holds many fond memories. I would have loved to see this succeed, but evidently the directors are more interested in their salaries than in delivering people's orders.
My tuppence worth would be ...
"The company will be placed into Administration/Liquidated, the existing shareholders will retain any intellectual property & physical stock after buying it in a pre-pack, the backers will be left trying to claim refunds from a company in liquidation with no assets, and the whole thing will repeat itself in around 12-18 months as a new company"
Stop me if you've heard this one before.
It appears they're both run by megalomaniacs who feel they are outside official jurisdictions and run their entities as individual Fiefdoms, terminating and harassing anyone who dares question them.
How do NGO's like this get such overwhelming power to the point where actual criminal acts are impossible to prosecute?
That $1.4bn is going to the lawyers. And then some.
What I find interesting on this is, until its actually paid, can either side claim this judgment as an Asset/Liability in terms of their Company Returns for the calendar year. This money does not technically exist until Google chooses to pay up, and any appeal open to them, however frivolous, could keep the costs off the books for years to come, keeping shareholders happy.
Amusing point here.
Google and Oracle can continue to appeal this for the next 10-20 years, throwing it back and forth between courts until they reach the top. The cost of litigation is a fraction of the cost of licensing or paying the damages demanded, so there is no incentive on Google to settle here.
Oracle's best option is to negotiate a lower pricing for historic and ongoing licenses for a guaranteed period of time, allowing Google to develop Android in such a way as to no longer utilise the original Oracle owned code. Google feigning moral outrage as not being allow to use code under "Fair Use" would work if they were a small software development company with a turnover of under $100k a year. Its bollocks to even try and argue that with the size and scale of the product.
I hate seeing lawyers get rich because they advise clients to fight when any sane person would tell them to negotiate and settle.
Was that in order to be allowed to push his wheelchair around (prior to his onboard computer/microphone being built) you needed to have at least 2 degrees, one of which had to be a PHD, in order to be able to understand and record anything he said.
Science has lost one of its truly great minds. RIP
This thread got way too serious, way too quickly. Please can we return to a series of bad puns and amusing wordplay.
And this is that all too salient reminder of the old internet Meme. "On the internet, nobody knows you're a Dog" ... or in this case, a member of a domestic police force just waiting for you to do something illegal whilst handing them all your identifying details.
So MIT produces a detailed, in depth report that Uber doesnt like the look of, and its response is to slam MIT on Twitter......
Bro Culture at Uber continues to drives the companies reputation into the ground. Someone needs to hire a Social Media Manager at Uber to take charge of all the senior management & directors Twitter accounts.
Of well considered, clearly worded US Laws that allow for minimal debate on what is and isn't legal.
Do they WANT to put those poor Lawyers out of business by doing things properly? I can almost see the partners at Freemont, Lake and Goodwin telling their kids they cant have christmas presents because "The Law is pretty straight on this one".
Interesting note on this.
2 of the Private Detectives served jail terms for conspiracy to defraud people of personal details in 2012.
Yet Woodgate & Clark still hired them. I guess being a convicted fraudster doesnt hurt in the PI Business.
Within hours of all those negative reviews going up, a new account appears with 1 review giving them a 5 star rating.
Im pondering whether some tech companies genuinely think the world and their dog are that gullible?
Considering that there has never been a bank that Ive known where profit and cutting costs is treated as the be all and end all before anything remotely resembling customer service, this provides absoloutely no shocks whatsoever that rather than fix a problem, they just choose the cheapest solution.
Even with those Glasses, Howard would have seen this coming.
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